How to avoid the CSA
Many people come to this website looking for advice on how to avoid the CSA and avoid paying the CSA. The truth is that if you’re employed you have very little option as eventually the CSA will go to your employer and hit them with a deduction of earnings order (DEO) which will take money from your salary before your receive it.
There’s nothing your employer can do about it because the CSA will threaten them with bailiffs if they don’t comply.
However, there is a way you can avoid the DEO from the CSA, and that’s to be contracted. If your employer will allow you to go self employed, so you submit your own self assessment tax return, the CSA cannot issue a DEO. You deal with your own tax, therefore they have to go through you.
This way you can claim for travel expenses to and from work in your self assessment, and other costs as well, such as equipment. Your ‘take home’ pay would be much lower and the CSA would only be able to claim less from you.
If anyone has any other ideas on avoiding paying the CSA please let us know below, we’d be glad to hear from them and would like to share them with everyone else who is having trouble with the CSA.
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bill
you see things in black and white, very naive and quite ignorant of the above concerns.. d***
chall
im paying 15% for 1st child and an extra 5% for the 2nd, 20% in total.
chall
do you know if they can take from your overtime as they don’t seem too so far..?
Hi Mike,
CMEC calculations will be based on income information provided by HMRC.
chall
thank you chall
Although they have been taking from my basic from day one..
I may be going part time soon, do you know if they will still take 40%(with arrears) off a low wage? i suspect they would..
I agree with most of the comments above, The CSA are just legalised scum!
It all goes hand in hand with this country’s ” Benifit culture” .
No one dissagrees with the fact that they should pay for their children…. However its a far cry from tha, to get hounded like a criminal even when you do pay, with threating letters !!!! Its disgusting !!!!!
No wonder so may have commited suicide !!!!!
Well im back in court on 17th may and expect to be sent down, for breaching a suspended sentence where i had to pay 300 a month for 2 kids which may or may not be mine. No DNA test has been made as they wont tell me where she is living so i cant ask her to take one. They say its up to me to pay for it through the courts which could cost over 4k, which i dont have, but while they wait they still want the 300 a month till they get the results! I wouldnt mind but none of the kids will see a penny as she has already had the money in benifit claims!! Guilty until you are proven innocent but you have to pay for it though! I thought it was the other way round. So next week I will be saying to the CSA rep there you have presumed im guilty now prove it! I will let you know how it goes!
Some good advise on here, Well I am neither the NRP or the PWC, I am the wife of the NRP, I dont see how the PWC gets all the child benefit, child tax and csa payments when we have to feed them, clothe them take them away every year on holiday, pay half to school trips, football fees the list is endless and could go on & on. The fact is that this is not in the welfare of the children as the money has never been monitored on what the PWC spends it on. (boozey filled weekends with her mates) This is a disgrace and something needs doing. I have taken on board what Rob has said with regards to the business and will go ahead with this. I would move my family out of our home and live in a cardboard box than give her a penny on our hard earned cash. Well done you Dads.
Some good stuff on here, very helpful. Those who have posted pro-CSA comments are either CSA staff, not gone through the process or are disgruntled PWC’s whose ex’s have avoided the CSA one way or another or want more money to top-up their numerous other benefits.
My ex spends the extortionate CSA money that I pay on Bingo & clubbing. She gets so much money in benefits but she maintains that she is always skint, and then she has the audacity to ask me for more money when I see my 2 young children (every weekend). Well im being made redundant soon (any redundancy money can go into a joint account, the CSA cannot touch it due to Data Protection Act implications) so the scum CSA wont get anymore money from me. They have effectively destroyed my career as its not worth me working anymore and I am better off unemployed.
I love my children, and always pay for them & want to see them, but the financial pressure is immense. The CSA dont realise (more likely dont care) that it is the children that get hurt in the end. I cannot take them anywhere where it costs money as I cannot afford it. NRP’s should care about their children and pay for them, but the system should be reasonable and not based on dictatorial extortionist methods.
Like others on this site, the CSA makes up arrears as they are go along. I have (yet!) another complaint about this and the excuses I have received for fluctuating arrears are hilarious. Their whole system is flawed but they will not fix it when they can drain NRP’s dry with their Stealth Tax (for that is what it is).
A message to all those who support the CSA: through an acquaintance with insider knowledge I have found out that the CSA has £40million in their Bank Accounts from NRP’s. So much for caring about the welfare of children eh!
Keep the faith dads – strength in numbers.
Oh and another thing, if you are making regular CSA payments & you have a bitch ex on benefits who is not letting you see your kids or demanding more money, grass them up to the anonymous national Benefit Fraud Hotline (0800 854 440).
CSA money is classed by the Department of Work & Pensions as ‘additional income’ which must be declared. Many benefit PWC’s do not declare the received CSA money as this will affect their benefit. The CSA & HMRC do not talk to each other (only when they are screwing NRP’s) so be a vindictive b*****d and get your own back. Give them a taste of their own medicine. It’s does not solve your CSA problem, but it makes you feel better.
Oh Well that’s my Husband now unemployed due to the messed up system they call the CSA, Congratulations! why on earth should we pay when we see the children every weekend and during the week and still have to pay. The system is crap and all you PWC’s who are money grabbing b*%$£*s ought to go and get a job if you want some money, get off your arses and do someting better with your time, rather than thinking up how much more money you can screw us for a couple of words for you ( screwed up , twisted, and you can not call your’s self’s a mother) Rant over for now. Well said above frank although its hard to get round the CSA at least you can be a vindictive b*****d, & it makes you feel better.
my 3 children i live with are being forced into poverty by the csa… they want half of our tax credits for my ex partner with my 2 children ,, discusting goverment we have im affraid. my wife now wants to leave our home and go on her own back into a councill house and back on benifits which will cost the tax payer more .. we were given this advise by somone who has done this and are now better of and living better …. what a good idea .. so declare splitting up live appart have seperate claims ,, then the csa cant starve your kids that you live with to feed your exes kids with caviar .. or ex partner with new shoes and hair… we are just looking into it now as we have had enough
Frank – as of April 2010. Maintenance payments are COMPLETELY DISREGARDED in regard to the claiming of benefit. (Income Support)
Yet further encouragement for the serial PWC’s.
At least the government is reducing the age at which the youngest child must be to 5 years old, after which the PWC must be actively seeking work!
mr d hornblower..i can relate to ur story in so many ways u could almost be my partner lol im female and so against the csa because of what it has done to my partner he has 2 children from previous marriage and left his ex wife with everything even his share of the home which amounted to 80.000 which he gave to his children we live in cheap rented accomodation and my partner has had mental breakdown im also on anti depressants we love eachother so much yet the strain of what the csa are doing to us is taking its toll immensly.Many a night i catch my partner crying in bed unable to see any way out or even a future for us because of all this we cant afford to eat some days and yet the csa still carry on taking money my partner now on esa due to anxiety and depression how wrong is all this!!!!!!
i agree all absent parents should pay csa but i dont agree that if you try to earn more then they take more as your never get to imrove your life ever.
Split up with my ex over a yr ago – was unemployed and lost my house – paid her £250 a month till cash ran out, she now has another child(clever lady) whom she had due to the mans wage not the relationship…..i know this as she stupidly slipped up and told. now she get 2 x 15% off both of us – yet i wasnt trapped like he was – few of you have said us men should put somthng on it, i was with my ex for 2.5 yrs and she still didnt tell me she had come off the pill…
Not a prob i love my boy sooo much and have always over paid from the situation i was in.
I do feel the system promotes for ladies to have kids and a free life.
My new partner is (rare) 30 yrs old and waited for kids on mim wage. My ex
24, 2 kids and on at least £400 disposable cash each month.
how many people on here can say that after all bills paid they have that?
what gets me is my business will expand very soon, and although my son is very very very well looked after if i better myself she betters for sitting on her little ass.
how can this be right considering the CSA feel my son already has what he needs now?
I would like advice on how to keep her from beniiting from me bettering myself.
I dont fancy paying for her car and holidays aswell as cloth her and my son also….
i did think my 15% was to contribute, yet she never does.
ontop of this it costs me over £100 to see my son every month, this is never taken into consideration as i dont see him enougth in the CSA eyes.
Advice please
i left my ex in august 09. After i left i found out she was pregnant but during our time together she insisted she had the coil fitted!!!!! Not so long ago she told me it was just a ploy to keep me by getting pregnant and still have the message to prove that to the csa but they aint interested??? Iam payin but think its so wrong for anyone to do this!!! Im not on any birth certs and baby dont have my name. Where do i stand???
well i am trying to avoid paying csa as a girl told me she was taking contraception (even showed me it!) and stupidly i slept with her that night.she got pregnant and afterwards i heard she’s done it to a few people pretending she was pregnant to snare them or actually did get pregnant (she has 2 previous children) now she is trying to use me for a meal ticket as i have a good job and this is potentially going to ruin me so the only option i have is to go self employed to avoid it.i have a child from a previous relationship who is now 13 and i have supported her all her life. i think it is wrong for these evil women preying on men just so they can sit on their backsides and not have to work for a living themselves!
Oh! bye the way Chris I know how you feel and I was also was in the same situation like you however I know you probably hate her but don’t forget it was partly your fault so rise above the bitch and pay an amnount you think is responsible to contribute to the up bringing of your child at least then when or if your child comes knocking on your door you can say you have helped.
Why not keep any funds in an offshore bank account , outside UK jurisdiction, if you use the withhold tax option HMRC wont even know you have the assists. It may also be possible to set up your own offshore Ltd company to get paid through.
The system is all wrong it is effective for angry mums who want to put one over there children’s dad
They need to transfer this department to the social services and take it away from dwp (dwp don’t have a clue)
My son (17year old) isn’t a baby anymore, so I don’t understand why they would take such a large amount ( he should find a part job) and so should she lazy cow
I find it embarrassing because it looks like I don’t look after my children which would never be the case.
Just a question, if they NRPs here agree that they should be paying maintenance for their child(ren) but think the CSA ask too much; what percentage of your earnings/or amount do you think is right and fair to yourself and your child(ren)?
Firstly I am just wondering how many guys are clearly not in control of their own c**k…’she told me she was on the pill or had the coil blah blah blah’….one answer CONDOM!!!! It is not the girl’s sole responsibility to use protection.
secondly if the man and woman were together i guarantee that the bloke would be using more than 15% of his wages on the child so I don’t think its a huge issue and, its probably actually a saving than outgoings if you were a couple ie rent, food, bills, clothes, school trips and dinners, toys, tv/sky, toiletries etc etc all of which would benefit the child as well as having both parents around. I’m sure no couple says that they should get paidx by the other person if one has a night out while the other looks after the child(ren) so just because you are separated why should this be the case. As someone already said it takes 2 people to make the child so it takes 2 people to support the child.
perhaps if the PWC provided receipts to the csa to show what the child support was spent on each week!! If PWC can’t put a roof over the childs head then let the child live with the parent that can!
Ceri Jones your talking C**P,as well as keeping the ex in fancy nails ,hair doo’s and new clothes as well as having my children every weekend and trying to entertain my kids as well as feeding them every weekend i still have my own home to keep and my self to feed, clothe and get to work every day i am living close to the edge every month juggling money all the time.i dont receive tax credits or child benefits to help towards the care of my children which as i said i have every weekend(maybe i should get a percentage of that).people who arent in this situation can kiss my a**e as you dont realise the strains the CSA put you under it makes it hardly worth working hand to mouth every week,this puts you under unnecessary strain every month.If i knew the money was been spent on the kids it wouldn’t bother me but its not.Also the Ex and her new fella would still have to live somewhere even if she didn’t have the kids same as i do and i can’t claim any help at all.
CeriJones! You have generalised far too much here. I WAS in control of my c**k – as you put it – but I WASN’T in control of the complete t**t I was with who decided she wanted a child/children and, therefore, decided to stop taking the pill without me knowing! (when you’re with someone in a relationship, you’d never dream of this happening).
The claim to the CSA must have taken place whilst the ‘ex’ was still in flaming labour! Behaviour indicates that she was only ever after my money!
How do you account for the fact that I had the difficult “Please feel free to leave me now and find someone who wants children,” conversation just BEFORE she took ‘our’ decision into her own hands??
I know that the State will be aiding my ‘ex’ to live a tax/debt/bill-free lifestyle and that the CSA are totally screwing me financially for something my ‘ex’ ALWAYS knew I didn’t want – right from the start of our relationship!
In short;
A) Is anyone else in this situation?
B) What to do/Is there anything I can do??!!
C) CeriJones 15% of your measley wage may not hurt! You remind me, in some ways, of my ex’s attitude (problem).
D) To anyone with half a brain – men and women alike ….. please feel free to offer sensible comments which I shall endeavour to appreciate and take on board…
E) Anyone (CeriJones) fancy paying my bill??!!- I can tell it isn’t such a big problem for you! The amount is NOT the problem – the fact that I feel I have have been forced to buy something I never wanted in the first place, DOES!
1) Do CSA have access to personal bank accounts?
2) Can I insist they calculate payments from a P60 instead of payslips as I’m on a basic + commission. Commission varies drastically. What can I do, help please!?
3) Can CSA check with TAX office on how much TAX I’ve paid over the year?
4) What do CSA do after they have my payslips?
5) Could I get a Criminal Record if I supply wrong information?
Any help is much appreciated, thank you!
Rob.
CeriJones is talking complete nonsense. Yes I agree that the bloke has to take some responsibility for fathering a child but if it was done under false pretences (as it sounds like it was) then thats a different matter.
I dont know where she gets 15% of wages from??? I was paying Child Support and due to the CSA’s MISTAKE they started taking 40% (the max allowed). Once the CSA f****d up and arrears started appearing, they just jumped it up to 40% and issued a DEO on me without telling me. Even though they finally admitted they were wrong, and I got a measly £25 compensation (always ask for this if you have a justified case!) they still would not change this. I have submitted a Data Subject Access Request (costs £10 but worth it) to get all held data about my case and with that you can demand amongst other things a statement showing all income/outgoings from your CSA account which can then be used as proof that the CSA holds incorrect data (this is a breach of DPA) or make the case in extreme instances that the CSA is making fraudalent claims. How can anyone live off 60% of their wages?
Rob – with regards to your questions I am not sure of the level of access the CSA has to personal Bank Accounts but from my experience (and knowing what money-grabbing w*****s they are) I imagine that they can view your personal records (this is a Govt dept. afterall and Maintenance through the CSA is effectively Child Tax!). With regards to payslips, the CSA use these to see the details of your employer and how much on average you get paid. They then use this to work out how much you should give to the CSA. You state you get commission, I would in your position give them (I think you have to supply 3) recent payslips with the smallest commission on them. However the CSA might check this with your employer if it looks blatently wrong so to be seen to be helpful might work for you in that they will take you at your word. Whatever they decide, unless you contest it, make sure you make the payments each payday otherwise thats when the CSA issues a Deductions of Earnings Order which really screws things up!
I would not supply wrong information as they will use this against you either now or in the future. It may work short-term but after that who knows. I know someone who did it but they caught up with him as he started making a good career for himself and now he’s paying through the nose (the 40% mentioned earlier). I would suggest you look at other blogs on this site which may contain the information your after or you could phone CSA Options anonymously on their freephone number and ask them. Failing that you could use the Freedom of Information Act to get it out of them.
Good luck.
Could those posting perhaps answer my question above…
What percentage of your earnings do you think is fair to your child(ren) and yourself, in maintenance payments?
I assume all agree that you should be contributing something
Clair – I think most people posting on this site agree that maintenance should be paid, but this is situation specific so what you pay should reflect the PWC’s & NRP’s circumstances.
I assume you are not a victim of the CSA as you would not be asking this question if you were. Should the NRP be living on their own I don’t think 20% is unreasonable, however if the NRP has their own family I think 10% is ok.
Problem with the CSA is they just look at NRP’s earnings. There is no taking into account their expenses so I put this question to you: Do you think its right that a NRP with a new partner & children has to live below the breadline to make CSA payments to the PWC who is in a new relationship whose partner is in a well-paid job?
It has to be said that the PWC has entitlements to loads of benefits for children whereas the NRP has none. The system is unfair & discriminatory and if you read other posts you can see there is plenty of women (usually associated with NRP’s) who see how unfair this system is. Also what has not been mentioned is that when the relationship breaks down it is the NRP who often gets kicked out (even if it is not their fault!) & they have to find a new place,etc. whilst trying to hold down a job.
If the system was fair I wouldnt mind, but it isnt. If the CSA is going to work out maintenance then they should demand the incoming/outgoing’s of both PWC & NRP and then pro-rata the payments. All parents concerned wouldnt mind then.
Frank – mine was a simple enquiry, just to ask what NRPs think is an acceptable percentage to pay for their child(ren). You have answered your opinion and that is fine, its your opinion to give. No malice or anything untoward was intended in that question, it was simply curiosity on my part,
I would like however to hear more opinions, as I am also aware that many men do feel that they should contribute nothing at all either because they do not see their child(ren), or simply because they do not want to contribute.
I do wonder how the NRP would feel if the benefits available to the PWC ceased, and the NRP was as a consequence expected to pay more.
Keeping children is an expensive business and what it boils down to is someone has to foot the bill. SOME (I stress some) NRPs fail to realise just how much it costs and think it is acceptable for their child(ren) to live on the poverty line just because they are not living with them anymore.
Hi i am the wife of a man who has two children from a previous marrige we also have a child together, when they split 10yrs ago my husband gave his then wife and 2 children everything which inc 138,000 house bought outright so they would never have to pay rent or motgage the car and all possesions inc 1000.00 for each child in an account since then the ex has made it very difficult for him to see the children at all inc moving and not telling us where (we found her eventually) now he see’s one child when she wants to come over and the other not seen for years except when the husband takes up a card or present we have been to court for access which was granted but soon after the ex decided the child did not want to come and she made him very upset so we could not take him away. any way she has csa involved who are asking for nearly 400 a month my husband is self employed and not eanrning a great deal and i only work part time as i am looking after our child we live in rented as cannot afford a house and really dont have much at all we do not even get tax credits due to some kind of mistake 4yrs ago but i want to know 1 why he has to pay for a child he never see’s and has a new daddy that he is quite happy with but still wants what’s in our wallet and 2 why the csa dont look at the individual circumstances she has alot more than us and she gets the child benefit and tax credits and she gets what csa is paid so what makes her children so much more special than mine that hers needs more its unfair no wonder the father can never move on his life is ruined and the new wife gets fed up with her child being deprived of the same good things his other children get ps we have also offered the ex a private agreement but she will not even speak the government need to stop this as the mothers are ruling these poor men who dont even get a say
Hi..im the partner of the nrp in our case. And altho i dont disagree that he should pay csa. Im damned if my 3 children will suffer poverty because of this. My partner goes to work to support us as a new family of 5. Not to fund his exs lifestyle. And yes they should calculate the award for his kids based on his wage. NOT MY KIDS CHILDTAX CREDITS!!!! They had a private arrangement until she found he got a promotion an payrise. Then got csa involved. Why should my partners payrise fund the upbringing of her kids when she doesnt even work..Theyre not my kids,his ex doesnt let him c them as shes a spiteful lyin tart. So why the hell should my kids go without to pay for the upbringing of kids that arent even mine… CSA – C-rap S-ystem A-llround
Ok this is what you should do…
1) Leave your job.
2) Claim JSA but say you were sacked to qualify for the claim and £10pm will be deducted from your benefit.
3) Start work again but give a slightly different NI number to your real one.
4) Be sure to sign on every fortnight stating you’re ‘looking for work’.
OR……
Move abroad.
Point of view of an Australiam mum.
I am the majority carer of my child and always have been.
The deadbeat dad is the claimant, and the CSA takes money from me, whether I am employed or not (sometimes in the past 13 years I have changed jobs and have no income for a month or two.) to give to him.
I am disgusted by the CSA. It’s as plain as that.
MY CHILD SUFFERS POVERTY BECAUSE of the CSA. Because the deadbeat dad needs his rent and food and interstate holidays subsidised.
Did you now that the CSA is a subset of the ATO in Australia? It is not and was never aimed at children. It’s purpose is to reduce Government payouts to unemployed and underemployed (mostly single) parents.
When I lost my job a couple of years ago – my productivity fell when I was being harrassed at home and at work by this deadbeat dad to the point I was ‘let go’ – the CSA used a deemed income to decide my chid support payments. I was on zero income. He ran two businesses that produced a loss on paper, like he always has. I followed every legal avenue available to sort out the mess but it just made it worse. They took everything. So my daughter and I live in poverty while he sits happily in his housing commission home living off me and you with cockroaches running through the kitchen that my daughter has to put up with when she’s there.
Anyone who belives that only bad parents try to avoid the CSA or their child rearing obligations – you are mistaken.
I’m speechless on how much help there is for NRP to avoid paying for their children so tell me all ya faithful people – is there as much help for single mother PWC like me. after 4 years I’ve got pregnant and ex decided to have nothing to do with either of us. He changed his phone numbers, his job, address probably the looks too lol and now traced by CSA he is hiding his income from dividends and all that ltd business and I’m sure he will go further in avoiding paying for his child.
I’m working full time 13 hours a day, sometime longer and even work on the weekends. My mother has quit her job to help me with the baby – he is only 5 months old!!! I do not and never have lead fancy lifestyle nor do I even have time to go out. I’ve had to carry all expenses in preparing for birth (and everybody knows just how much it costs!!!) and supporting the family of 3 people. Not to mention that been a single mother and recovering from emergency c-section is NOT easy thing to do.
Now will ANY ONE of you have guts to tell ME what to do??? No “oh so sorry” please, I am ACTUALLY asking you – what should mother like me do???
hi,
my ex has a baby to a girl 2 yrs ago (1 night stand). he told her from day 1 he wasnt ready to be a dad, even moved abroad to get away from her (already had a kid to another man and lied about being on the pill and generally stalkerish!)
i met him abroad we moved bk to england together n accidently fell pregnant, she got wind an contacted the csa about the 2 yr old son.
we tried to offer he payments thru us and not the csa also requested to see this child on regular occasions, to which we were told to go f our selves, her child is more important than mine and repeatedly wrote on facebook how she was going to “get him for every penny he has” and how she was going to treat herself to a holiday and a new car with his money.
We cant afford the solicitors fees to gain access to the child and now my partner is stuck paying csa a ridiulous amount a week, which as a mother i knw it doesnt cost that much to raise a child!!
Some one tell me my partner is a deadbeat dad i dare you! hes an amazing dad n gives my son everything, but why should he pay for something he was tricked into and tried to make her see sense???
So what options do we have? other than to pay for the next 15 years so she can get her nails done???
Someone must know a loophole because this isnt fair!!!!!
All the above is redundant once you get one fact clear – keep it in your trousers if you don’t want to be responsible for your child.
I worked for the dwp for 10 years and I know that they are the most incompetent bunch of paperpushers in the world.To cut a long story short, I was told I owed some arreas and demanded a staement as I kept my own records.They failed as usual to provide this and the now sent another letter(This time a lesser amount) and I challeneged it on the grounds that if I had paid the first demand which was higher,it begs the question if i did owe anything anyway.As usual they made an attachtment to earning because of my refusal.I took them to court and won.Now the mother is a greedy one as all she wants is money money money
To Doris,
Females can get pregnant, it’s not a miracle nor hard! But to lie to men telling them not to worry about using condoms is disgusting! It takes two to make a baby…. it also takes two people to make a decision about having a baby! Blame the man for just wanting a bit of sex, why don’t WOMEN stop being dirty… lying…. nasty slappers! Why don’t women say NO CONDOM…… NO SEX……. SIMPLE!! Why blame the man? don’t you look after your own body? If you get fat, do you blame the man? Also MEN……. most women don’t enjoy SEX, so if i girl says don’t worry…..DO WORRY…….SHE HAS A PLAN! Hookers are good …….. at least you get what you paid for!!!!!
ha ha ha lola brilliant!
i earn £140pw i work part time 30 hours a week i have all ways had contact with my children and like many others on here payed my x cash in hand which i stupidley never got proof of csa have now put a doe on my earnings and said they will be taking 40% of my wages for maintenance and arrears which they say is now £25.000 im now left with 87.00 pw to live on my rent is £70 on its own which leaves me £17 a week for everything else i now have no option but to hand in my notice and go on the dole they told me that out of the £200 plus pounds a month that they will be taking only £10 a week will go to my children how is this fair.
as i told the csa guy i spoke to yesterday no one has won in this situation not the csa or my self im now about to be unemployed which means they will not have any wages off me to take .
i have no clue what to do or how to go forward from this point on there is no light at the end of this bleak tunnel.
i would just like to say good luck to any of you in the same situation i find my self in.
I understand alot of the mens views, fair enough they have been robbed in certain circumstances. But alot of other men deserve to get harrassed and tortured by the CSA. My daughters absent father would not care if she was living or dead. He has evaded the CSA for a long time. My daughter is now 17, but she still has needs and I have scrimped and saved for years to provide for her and have went without countless times myself. He on the other hand is driving round in a top of the range car, best of style and has a live in girlfriend with four children which he provides for. He has now been caught by the CSA and will damn well pay his dues. Every ones situation is different, but in my case he deserves everything he gets and more!!!
be aware! …if years ago the PWC applies to the CSA…but then there is a private agreement reached…..the CSA claim HAS NOT ENDED! It is a live claim that can be referred back to at any time by the PWC. I know this because it has just happened to us.
Also……..doesn’t any one else feel it is so unfair that maintenance is totally disregarded for benefit purposes for the PWC…(HB CTB and IS/IBJSA)….BUT it is still counted in full as income for benefit purposes for the household of the NRP.
My boyfriends ex gets nearly £500 a week from her benefits and maintenance…….no wonder its not worth her getting out of bed in the morning to go to work.
Final rant…………….how come the PWC gets the final say with overnight stays??? We submitted our nights….she disagreed….she won…….. WTF!
Hi all,
1st … see these sites ok… below,,, ASAP!! ASAP!!
http://childsupportadvice.co.uk/
http://www.nacsa.co.uk/index.php
2nd… Advice OK,Advice OK…. been there got the teashirt and stains 24/7 .. war?
Never,never call or contact CSA or your Ex … stay very low,low profile until last child 19th birthday… in back ground always, yes its hard very hard indeed, , the Ex never conflict her words, or access rights,nights etc, etc..no point she will win hands down in UK court.. she will enjoy beating you, costing you loads of £££ and pain.. thats the rules here, very sorry to say?. just look for peaceful life, move on, enjoy life, your child will understand in time? .. trust me.. yes take time out?
3rd.. Open Offshore Bank a/c in Uk ££ via Internet … HSBC or others in Channel Islands, it costs £20 per month or so to run FULL BANK a/c etc, etc, put Uk wages in, to it via bacs from Work or Company , its free from Uk … Sorry but you need £5k to open this a/c in 2012 , please use credit card loan if need be, .. pay it in and out after opening,, simple?
4th … No .. Uk Bank a/c Court Order there ok you see!! .. ALL CASH 100% SAFE.. opt to pay their taxes.. and earn small intrest, too ,thus no contact to HMRC in Uk…ok (sorry, you cant get loans if you have Uk address, uk govt rules, so may need overseas one if you wish to have loan on their bank a/c).. Uk Banks cant see these a/c’s so your UK credit score is limited … but wont limit you?
5th.. DOE on wages.. Very Sorry you will have to move job asap!! many,many times even.. just go, sign up HMRC Self Employed and but work PAYE, Agency, Ltd Company.. etc, etc …work out of Uk if you wish/can .. confuse HMRC.. not to easy to do? in 2012, but they have NEW PC (Computer) in Wales thats up to speed now, so take great care ok?
6th.. Down side you will have to keep this up for 10-15 years maybe,y es until your youngest childs 19th birthday ok… yes, Yes very – very hard work but you are in charge of CSA not them in charge of YOU!!!.,,,,,,, .Ok
7th… Now get CSA … FINAL FULL ACCESMENT of arrears owed, via companies above? only get them to contact and set up payment from DOE or direct to CSA via them only, before challange is made on amount owed.. or to pay off?
8th… CSA Liability Orders, if you get one turn up in court ok… sorry a must., but give limited info to courts or CSA, instuct above web site people, tell courts this … never give wages, bank a/c or job employer info, never never.. sorry but court will just rubber stamp it , the CSA case, sorry to say?.. thats the way it goes?, just go smile, be nice ok?,, say little?
9th… look out CSA going to use HMRCin 2012 to obtain Court Orders or use info on you/company etc,,, so take great care with your offshore or Uk bank a/c and mobile No (only use pay as you go) with them all, on answer phone (never answer none ID calls?) .. not Mobile a/c. in your name ether,and take care of UK govt info given,, paying council tax (cash only) ,voting forms (opt out) etc, etc.. very low profile only ok? own car (DVLA) car insurance look out, company van better,, no trace on it you see.. if you can, able to?
10th … Yes done all these and more,more to stay one step ahead… afloat, now paying off arrears of £12,000 in 2012 better than paying £50,000 asked since year 2000 or paid – up at £540 month that the CSA asked that time 2001… required for 11 years? that time putting me in to bankrupcy, lost £200,000 on family house sale to ex and major court fees to pay after appeal in 2002, that lost me £££££££££ … and accsess rights failed also to my two kids (Daddy Girls) ..but now 19y and 21y and no contact with ex or kids long time now,, so sad but i’m in peace, remarried 2006, happy, loving life?.. planning ahead at last?
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I have been reading the quotes on several subjects on this site and as a straight forward dad I sometimes feel we miss the point. My son is 9yrs old, I have spent 25k on solicitors getting access to my son over the years when this year my ex took a final stab at accusing me of child abuse? This was thrown out of court in 11minutes, did she get repremanded? did she get charged with contempt of court? Of course not. In our soceity the word “mum” may as well be God.
Through all this I have paid the CSA thousands, this year alone they have 9 of may payslips as my ex keeps asking for a review with no reason than to cause stress. Does she get told to stop wasting the CSA time and money. No
Lets be clear, most dad’s if asked would put anything into a bank account for their child to access when they are 18, or give it to a trusted family member to help with the cost of raising a child. We give it to mum or “God”, does the CSA make sure that money is spent on your child and not hair, make up and nails? No. Do they make sure percentages are spent on requirements for children, No.
It isn’t about the child, it is about topping up the benefit agency, otherwise it would be directed at the child. The CSA I talk to couldn’t care less about my son, as long as they tick another case off.
I have fought the system and won some battles, lost more. So I say to those people who state avoiding the CSA is a bad step. As long as we put up with the system, the system will not develop to suit or help you or perish the thought your kids! Therefore sometimes drastic action is needed to make people hear you. If you wish to circumvent the CSA, good on you, but pay an amount that is fair and you can live with. 15% is lot of anyones money, it doesn’t cost 15% of 100k to raise a child, why isn’t it capped?
I always find it amazing when you ask families that are still together, “how much a week do think it costs to raise a child?”. It is never near the amount I pay! The government has already given us a bench mark – Child Benefit. Should that not be 15% of your net wage too in the spirit of fairness and equality?
As I said, the CSA have never been about the children…. that is the sadess fact of all.
My ex and I agreed an amount to be paid weekly for my beautiful 2 week old daughter’s maintenence some months back. Ex has contributed nothing during the pregnancy to prepare for the new baby and is now saying I have to wait until the end of the month for her maintenance. He doesn’t want me to apply to the csa as it will cost him more financially. I am on a low wage, this month is particularly tight financially until tax credits and child benefit kicks in. I fail to understand how you can promote csa avoidance as acceptable or not paying for your child. If my ex hadn’t suddenly decided he didn’t want a baby I wouldn’t be in need of tax credits or csa, I wouldn’t be broke and going without essentials because I had to fund a new home, it’s contents and baby equipment. Think on, feckless fathers. Think on.
Cost of raising a child: extra bedroom, increased utilities, maternity clothes for mum, breast feeding bras and tops for mum, baby clothes, equipment and consumables. – nappies, toiletries for mum and baby, cotton wool etc etc
I can’t buy everything from car boots, ebay and charity shops.
ONE VERY ANGRY NEW MUM
Ok I see what your saying
“He doesn’t want me to apply to the csa as it will cost him more financially. I am on a low wage, this month is particularly tight financially until tax credits and child benefit kicks in. I fail to understand how you can promote csa avoidance as acceptable or not paying for your child. If my ex hadn’t suddenly decided he didn’t want a baby I wouldn’t be in need of tax credits or csa, I wouldn’t be broke and going without essentials because I had to fund a new home, it’s contents and baby equipment. Think on, feckless fathers. Think on.
Cost of raising a child: extra bedroom, increased utilities, maternity clothes for mum, breast feeding bras and tops for mum, baby clothes, equipment and consumables. – nappies, toiletries for mum and baby, cotton wool etc etc
I can’t buy everything from car boots, ebay and charity shops.”
So did you think about all of this before you jumped into bed with the father?????? answer probably not. Have you stopped to think that finances may be tight for him which is why he can’t afford to pay you. Think of it the other way around, lets say he has custody of the child and he goes to the CSA to chase you for funds and they start raping you for 15% of your income, do you think you can afford it?
The CSA once involved is an open door for funds to be raped from the NRPs income or bank or through a forced order of sale from his property, but you are not guaranteed to see all of that money. most goes into their public bank account then off to the consolidation fund owned by the government. What ever is left goes to their stakeholders who believe it or not, are anonymous.
The CSA have no duty of care to the children, the PWC or the NRP, again this was admitted by the Agency, what we strongly recommend is that you do your research into what this Agency or the Commission as they like to refer to themselves now and look beyond the smoke screen and wake up to what is really going on.
The research we have done has really opened our eyes, you need to do the same
deadbeatdadsassociation.co.uk
Just a thought. Dads buy vouchers for your kids don’t give the mothers money! I mean what use will they find in mothercare or toys are us products? I’m being shafted twice with the CIA, I mean CSA! And for three yrs I spent ££s on family courts for my five year old and ernt thru hell with CRAPCASS for me to just give up I had no alternative. My youngest childs mother has since been in touch with the CSA, and has also stated recently to my best mate she bumped in to-she only wanted a mix race child and that’s why she was with me! I gave my all to both relationships to be repaid with not seeing my children grow up and not afford anymore the courts! CSA + DWP = PWC – NRP X one mixed up parentless kid in the future! Conclusion, just walk away and pay what YOU can afford! Afterall we know everything we buy has a value! How much can we afford depends on our situations. But don’t let them shaft u as they and the courts and PWC have!
Someone I know changed there identity and moved to another country.