How to avoid the CSA
Many people come to this website looking for advice on how to avoid the CSA and avoid paying the CSA. The truth is that if you’re employed you have very little option as eventually the CSA will go to your employer and hit them with a deduction of earnings order (DEO) which will take money from your salary before your receive it.
There’s nothing your employer can do about it because the CSA will threaten them with bailiffs if they don’t comply.
However, there is a way you can avoid the DEO from the CSA, and that’s to be contracted. If your employer will allow you to go self employed, so you submit your own self assessment tax return, the CSA cannot issue a DEO. You deal with your own tax, therefore they have to go through you.
This way you can claim for travel expenses to and from work in your self assessment, and other costs as well, such as equipment. Your ‘take home’ pay would be much lower and the CSA would only be able to claim less from you.
If anyone has any other ideas on avoiding paying the CSA please let us know below, we’d be glad to hear from them and would like to share them with everyone else who is having trouble with the CSA.
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yip John M is def a man,how the hell do they think they can take that kind on money off the hard working dads that want to pay for there kids and only there kids.
the ex’s just want to rip the arse off you its disgusting nothing less.
it needs to stop and they need to be fair to the men that have been used as bank account and a free ticket to not working
Hi all
Hope I can get some advice here!!
I have a child of 17yrs old and he will be 18 in June, I have had a call and a letter from the CSA on Friday, saying that I have to submit my details and fill in a assessment. I put the phone down on them but still have the forms to fill.
My ex wife has a son of 21 whom I brought up as my own until we divorced 10 years ago. ( He thinks I am his real father as she has never told him, another long story but she never ever requested payments from his biological donor!)
Anyway we had the divorce and she got to keep the house and I was ordered to pay £40 per week for the youngest child and had both kids stay with me 3nights per week. The oldest lad stopped staying at around 16 as he was out late ect etc… The younger lad my own son still stays 3 nights per week and I decided at 17 he got himself a part time job that it was time to stop paying the £40 to my Ex, I did tell my son about this and how I will be supporting him with him going to Uni in September and helping as I would.
The Ex rang me In November demanding her money and why i stopped paying ( this was just before her and her long term live in partner were about to fly out to Jamaica!!) I just said that I had given enough and I do have my new family with twin boys by my wife and partner of 9 years to also consider and times are tough especially as I nave had no pay increase for 6 years.
I have always looked after my kids and do not treat the oldest lad any different and he still comes to see me and looks to me as his dad.
Is there any way that she can carry through with this and if I do have to pay will it be from now until june or for the whole year?
I get pait in my wages £520.00 per week and £100.00 of that is to cover my fuel and car repairs etc and is on my wage slips as car allowance, so in reality it is £420.00 per week ( I hope) and have two 3 year old boys a wife and mortgage etc.
I would appreciate if someone can advise me and how much they will want from me taking into account all the above.
Many thanks
Simon
I have just received a letter from the CSA saying I have to pay £38 per week for my son who is 17 , he did not stay on at school and he got a job , then he left it , but they took him back a couple of months later only for him to pack it in again , I rang the CSA and said that it is in no way fair that I am having to pay for him as its not my fault he did not stick to his job , and they said that if my Ex is still receiving child benefit for him then she is defrauding the system , They are going to investigate to see if she is receiving child benefit and that I have to Phone them back to find out if she has . and if she has then they are expecting me to report her to the DWP , but I do not want to do that , all I want is that I have paid my way and now it stops , but I have read that if your child leaves school at 16 and not in any kind of education then you do not have to pay anything else , can somebody confirm this.
ok if i do not live in the UK but live in Brazil and never been served an order from the CSA at anytime can they make me pay anything if i do not live or work in the UK?????
Why dont all NRPs get together collectively rather than seperately ? If we all signed a petition against the CSA and how they deal with NRPs then surely something has to change ! The CSA has had many years of getting it massively wrong ,costing the tax payer millions They destroy families far more than they help . I have a daughter who I adore and Im more than willing to help support … The CSA have taken absolutely nothing into account of my mortgage , bills etc . I am a low wage earner already on the poverty line, earning just over £6 an hour . The CSA have taken 15% of what I havent got as well because I am a low earner a percentage of my working tax credit , which the government give me recognising I dont earn enough and yet the CSA , who clearly dont care have decided that they want their share of that as well . Despite already being in arrears with my mortgage and going down hill fast , the CSA do not want to listen or help in any way what so ever . This is a brief account of my story , but the end result will be ill loose my job , my home and become a burden on this country and the CSA who I have asked , no pleaded with ,but they refuse to meet with me or help in any way ! I would rather go before a judge in a family court and pay what I can fairly and honestly afford . I call all NRPs therefore to sign a petition lets get this failing department closed down with all their threats and basically bully boy tactics . Write to your local MPs , after all we are voters too . I thought this was the United Kingdom where we up held democracy and fair play , yet how Ive been treated is disgusting . Funny how governments rant on about the importance of family life and yet the CSA is ripping families apart .
Sir/Ma’am,
My wife left me 06 Oct 11 and took our (then)2 month old son. All she ever wanted was a baby and now she has him I was surplus to requirements. She wouldnt let me see my son and was constantly asking for money. I finally saw my son last Thursday (19 Jan) and it had gone ok. But then she changed her mind and said “you have seen him now why cant you just leave us alone”. And I am in the Army with a tour of Afghan later in the year. She said I should use the time away to forget about him and it would be better if I never came back”. I simply cannot afford a solicitor. I have been left with the marriage debt – £20,000 which I pay £530 a month. On top of that CSA are taking £700 out next month, so for March I will have no money ! From March she will get £318 per month which I find a bit steep. How can I get access to my son regularly without a solicitor ? Can I get my CSA payments lowered in anyway ?
I am grateful for any help you can offer.
Ian,
You may be able to get a variation to child maintenance re the debt, if you meet the criteria, but you will need to apply for such.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2001/156/part/III/made
Special expenses—prior debts
12.—(1) Subject to the following paragraphs of this regulation and regulation 15, the repayment of debts to which paragraph (2) applies shall constitute expenses for the purposes of paragraph 2(2) of Schedule 4B to the Act where those debts were incurred—
(a)before the non-resident parent became a non-resident parent in relation to the qualifying child; and
(b)at the time when the non-resident parent and the person with care in relation to the child referred to in sub-paragraph (a) were a couple.
(2) This paragraph applies to debts incurred—
(a)for the joint benefit of the non-resident parent and the person with care;
(b)for the benefit of the person with care where the non-resident parent remains legally liable to repay the whole or part of the debt;
(c)for the benefit of any person who is not a child but who at the time the debt was incurred—
(i)was a child;
(ii)lived with the non-resident parent and the person with care; and
(iii)of whom the non-resident parent or the person with care is the parent, or both are the parents;
(d)for the benefit of the qualifying child referred to in paragraph (1); or
(e)for the benefit of any child, other than the qualifying child referred to in paragraph (1), who, at the time the debt was incurred—
(i)lived with the non-resident parent and the person with care; and
(ii)of whom the person with care is the parent.
(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to repayment of—
Effect on maintenance calculation—special expenses
23.—(1) Subject to paragraph (2) and regulations 26 and 27, where the variation agreed to is one falling within regulation 10 to 14 (special expenses) effect shall be given to the variation in the maintenance calculation by deducting from the net weekly income of the non-resident parent the weekly amount of those expenses.
(2) Where the income which is taken into account in the maintenance calculation is the capped amount and the variation agreed to is one falling within regulation 10 to 14 then—
(a)the weekly amount of the expenses shall first be deducted from the actual net weekly income of the non-resident parent;
(b)the amount by the which the capped amount exceeds the figure calculated under sub-paragraph (a) shall be calculated; and
(c)effect shall be given to the variation in the maintenance calculation by deducting from the capped amount the amount calculated under sub-paragraph (b)for the benefit of the qualifying child referred to in paragraph (1); or
(e)for the benefit of any child, other than the qualifying child referred to in paragraph (1), who, at the time the debt was incurred—
(i)lived with the non-resident parent and the person with care; and
(ii)of whom the person with care is the parent.
Child contact is a different matter, if no mutual agreement can be reach will possibly need court intervention, which you can apply for using a C100 form (you will need to pay a fee). You can download the form from the HMRC website and act for yourself (Litigant In Person).
Plenty of support groups now have Mckenzie Friends, who can assist and attend court with you.
chall ~ afairercsaforall
EVERYONE GET YOUR MP involved!! NO matter what.
Regardless send them a copy of every letter you send to the CSA.
Don’t let the MP do nothing! Stand up and get the MP over worked with local CSA cases guaranteed to piss them off and force the issues directly with higher CSA bods.
Please pass this message on.
CSA will only take notice if an MP gets pissed off
Thanks
Brian
There’s hope chaps
I was evicted from my children’s life, my wife left with me with a non mol order on my lap. Through the courts i have all but cleared my name and have gone for custody of my 2 awesome kids.
The Cafcass report was damning against her and both kids pleaded to live with me and my now new partner.
Although my ex was a cow and thought that one overnight a fortnight was enough, and ive paid my CSA dilligently as i dont want my kids to miss out despite me only earning a fraction of the 32k she does, the tables are turning.
I have now been awarded 5 nights a fortnight with a review to see if the kids still want to live with me…….. if so in 3 months they will be allowed.
CSA have been less than helpfull throughout all this but we do all have an obligation, as i will find when i am able to turn the tables and ask for payments from my lying ex.
There are ways to get out of things, such as the route im having to take, as i unfortunately work for my ex’s father who has made my life a misery for the last year. Not for long though as i have enough now to take him and the company to tribunal.
It just goes to show that, in some cases the lovely partners we all once had that turned out to be evil money grabbing cows do get their just desserts some times…. just a thought to cheer some of you up
Maybe there is a lesson to be learned here… stop going around having sex and then moaning that the woman got pregnant on purpose. You were big enough to create a life be man enough to take responsibility for that life.
My ex pays 104 a month on a full time job. He hasn’t screwed the system either. he has currently cancelled this amount because he simply just does not want to pay. Was this amount fair? you decide. I’ll just sit here wondering how i am going to pay my 150 a week nursery bill, the £80 a week food bill, my gas and electric, my water bill, rent, council tax, clothes, new baby shoes as he’s literally just started walking, they cost £30 alone….. you tell me because im living of a credit card for everything at the moment as I have no money AT ALL!!!!!!!!I
How am I going to pay for my beautiful baby boys shoes???????
Im so glad my grand dad is not here to see the men of today and the pathetic women that are supporting this behaviour, wish you could actually say this to my face!
Rebecca, im guessing if you are paying for child care etc then you have a job, thats how you are supposed to afford it, get a job. If your job doesnt make ends meet then get another job !
Justt because you got preg, doesnt make it your right to have your ex partners rewards for his hard work !
Be a woman…. go find a man who can afford you
Firstly, I would just like to say that , if it wasnt for this website and the advice I have read from it, my partner and I would have commited suicide by now!!! Well done Michael.
I am the partner of the NRP and he has the psycho ex from hell, who has refererred him to the CSA, not because she thinks he should pay up, as he was paying her money through a private arrangment. Simply because she wanted revenge as they had a bitter split. Bearing in mind, she earns 5 times more than him and I put together!!!! She then told the CSA that she had no record of the money, we stupidly didnt record this, and CSA now saying he is in arrears of £3000. He has quit his job 3 times over it and is now had a job offer that seems too good to be true. He is in two minds about taking the job, which is making me mad, as if he takes it, the CSA will take the 40% to cover the arrears and then the 15%, which I think is a disgrace as what 4 year old needs £142 a week that another 4 year old that gets £45 per week???? He desperately wants to see his daughter but she is the bitch from hell and cant bear to see him happy getting on with his life. I am in the middle of persuading him to sell up, emmigrate and forget about the horrible existance that is called the CSA, but why should I leave my friends, family, job and my life just because the CSA dont know their back side from their elbow. Any advise would be appreciated.
cannot believe there is a website detailing information for fathers how to get out if the financial obligations!!! imagine if a mother just gave up on her child and decided that they need not buy another bottle of milk, nappy, clothes, books, food, shoes etc etc, where would our children be then???
what galliant men we have in our society to just decide that our childrens quality of life goes down hill with the break up of the parents!!
they took on the decision to have a child so should see it through until that child can stand on their own 2 feet, they SHOULD NOT be looking for websites on how to evade their parental duties, what a copout!
I never left my wife and daughter, my ex wife had the locks changed and house emptied while I was at work, then moved herself and our daughter 70+ miles away, telling nobody to be with her new fella. I have still sent money every month after I found out where they are, but never been able to speak to or see my daughter. Now because I found out through social services she is being investigated for physical abuse of our daughter I of course contacted a solicitor and applied for a residence order through the courts. Soon as the court summonse was sent through her door about the court application she has put in a csa claim, trying to get arrears too, then sent me a text saying ” bet that will stop you paying your posh solicitor”. Thing is though she is right. At nearly £100 per half hour there is just no way I can afford to proceed with this and pay csa too. Any ideas of where to turn etc?
After our separation, I refused no material request from my ex and did everything within my power to support the home and our two daughters who were still at home.
All was smiles and pleasantries.
Then, out of the blue, I received a phonecall from a CSA investigator at 8 am one Saturday morning my ex having invoked their involvement.
The experience was horrible and demeaning. I felt like I was being treated like a delinquent parent.
There is no benefit to myself, my ex nor to our children of. Quite the contrary. It just seems like a pointless act of viciousness on my ex’s part and, of course, the amount she gets for, supposedly, child support is much less than I had been contributing prior to CSA involvement.
Furthermore it was my ex that insisted that I leave the family home (she also earns considerably more than I do).
The involvement of a government agency in this instance seem pointless and a stupid waste of tax-payers’ money. The effect of their involvement has had a damaging effect on what was already a circumstance full of sadness and bitterness.
L
Karen, I think that you should have read ALL of the posts before making your statement. Fathers are being punished for being fathers, it is the money grabbing, psychotic mothers that think they can use the CSA to get back at the fathers just because the have a grudge. The mothers get family allowance, tax credits, child benefit, rent reduction and any other help being a single parent. The PWC in our case gets nearly £1000 per month with benefits and told us that she merely uses this as holiday funds, whilst we are struggling to pay the CSA arrears and contemplating leaving the country due to the bullying tactics. All I can say is, it takes 2 to tango, and where I know that some fathers cannot be bothered to pay for their kids, please do not tar all fathers with the same brush. Thank You
After reading some of these posts, may i just say that i am a mother who is a nrp and I pay maintenance which is calculated by CSA..I understand the CSA take a cut out of this so the rp never gets the full amount which the nrp pays. In my view I think CSa should give nrp the details of amounts being paid to rp and allow them to decide wether they want to use the services of the CSA or whether the nrp wants to pay rp direct at the amount CSA have proposed!! CSA do actually rip off nrp by taking the cut!
Listen i dont care. your all doing my head in. we just wanted to know a way to reduce CSA> payments.
EG pentions, how would this work i know full well that the money i pay isnt getting paid to the children. its spent on weed and smoking, also take aways.
I wanted to ask a quick question, my CSA payments have dropped from 170 pounds a month down to 5 pounds a week, my ex has not changed his job, he is a fisherman and has had his company since 2006, his family have owned 2 trawler boats for 7 generations. He now pays himself 109.00 a week, when I know for a fact that he earns over 40.000 a year. He has never sent a birthday card and has never bothered with his son even though we were together for years and planned to have a child.. It feels unfair that I am struggling daily to put food on the table and can’t even afford to have a car. Yet he lives a life of riley with no responsibilities, owning a boat a house and two cars just got married and went to Egypt.. How can he get away with it and why do I have to do it all alone? Sometimes I feel like dropping his son to his house and let him see how hard it is.. But I wouldn’t do that to my son.. 🙁 I don’t know where to turn, I can’t even afford shoes and lunches for school anymore let alone the odd night out. 🙁 I’m not a greedy woman but a pound a day isn’t enough.. I gave up my future and travelling to have our child. He gave up nothing and refuses all responsibilities..
Only way to beat CSA is a 2nd cash in hand job that they have no way of finding out about … I am now far better off and they think they are screwing me SUCKERS LOL …
This site is for fathers to bond and come together. Not necessarily for women unless your going through the same problem. Non-custodial parents have no rights to their kids but paying money and visitation. The dad has no say so and the courts give the women to much power. Then you jerks get mad cus you read this and speak your mind! I called the juvenile detention and asked why my daughter was there. They asked, are you the custodial parent? I said no. They said then talk to her. If I could I wouldn’t be calling you. Some women want more than want the child needs. They want a man to take care of them. Like prostitution without the sex. The money is suppose to be for the kids, but women will spend the money on themselves, the significant other, their other kids that don’t belong to the man, their addiction problem, so on and so forth. And alot of women abuse the system and hide behind the police and judge. I will post a recent case that is so stupid, all because a women felt her feeling were hurt because her soon to be ex husband made a comment on his facebook page about her not allowing him to see his kid. The man blocked him from seeing his profile but a mutual friend told the soon to be ex and she told the judge. To avoid jail time, the man had to write a apology on facebook to his wife for 30 days. I rather burn in hell first!!! Men need to stand up and stick together and fight for our rights!!! Young or old, rich, or poor!!! Who say’s the mother is the better parent anyway? she didn’t make the child by herself, there should be equal rights to the child. Fellas if you feel me write me feedback and lets get together.
My ex bashed me and I left with the 3 children as DoCS threaten if I did not leave they would take my children.I have struggled trying to ensure the emotional stability of the children. As the children got older he tried to bribe them with material items. The youngest child wanted to go live with Dad because he could give her and buy her what ever she wanted including a new car (at the age of 15 yo). My morgtage is $500 pw, CS is $260pw and I have $80pw how is this fair.
I cannot believe the comments i am reading here. It generally takes two to create a life, yet one is expected to accept responsibility and also shoulder the ‘blame’ for becoming pregnant.
Men, keep it in your trousers, or, carry protection and use it! Stop blaming women for your inherent inability to accept your part in creating a life.
Why would a real man deny his own child, his own flesh and blood, a reasonable start in life. Must be a ‘man’ thing. Very few women I know would consider their needs before the needs of their child/children.
Pathetic is just too good a word to waste on parents who punish their children by forcing them into a life of poverty while bleating about how hard done to they are.
Sickening!!!!
I am a mother, and many yrs back my ex husband left me for another. I rang up the CSA and told them my ex was not helping me. Years later my ex made peace with me and sometimes contributed something and bought birthday gifts fr our son. I received letter asking for the whereabouts about my ex I did’nt actually know. Years later I asked the csa to stop the case. My ex told me that the csa contacted his work and they would deduct 36000 £900 monthly. He only earns 1400 and is left with only 400 which is his rent. However, the CSA told him if you pay 10,000 then we will reduce yr pay to 400 monthy. But he doent have any savings nor can he get bank loan. I saw him desperate and I wept fr him. Did I put him in this mess, I rang CSA but none of that money is coming to me or my child. Strange….they told me you were on benefit but I am studying and almost cpmleting my nursing. I will be paying my taxes. I wouls say to mothers dont kill yr ex fr leavig you.
does changing your nat ins number help you avoid paying csa?
ok, so there is a lot of crazy situations people have divulged on this page… but try this one on for size… i was seeing this girl, we split at the start of this year – and i hooked up with an ex of mine a few weeks later as a means of closure/rebound etc… just c. 2 and a half weeks later she told me she was pregnant – and that it was mine.
you should have used a condom i hear you cry… and yes i could of, but i was with an ex, who i trusted, not a randomer… furthermore, DURING the intercourse i had asked her if it was ok unprotected just to check – we never used condoms before, and she assured me she was on the pill. she later informed me that she was on antibiotics following surgery which will have inhibited its action… gutted. she even took full blame..
i nonetheless assumed she would get rid of it – she’s just turned 20, we are not together, i do not care about her. but a few weeks later she said she was definitely keeping it… i was distraught… how is it that women can make this decision on their own and expect us to be ok with it – thats my quarrel… it is a different situation when a couple who have children in a consenting, family environment walk out and make life difficult for one another… having said that i do tend to sympathise with the plethora of stories i have read on here of spiteful ex partners leeching fathers for all they can – but each situation is unique and layered with complication no doubt…
i digress… we’ve had many arguments since. ive come to terms with it, then regressed. but i went down for the 12 week scan and have contemplated my involvement almost constantly. following an argument recently i had declared myself ‘out’ – but wasnt sure if i meant it still… but as i said – just about accepted it was happening, just not decided my involvement. i earn enough to pay support and not live too uncomfortably, it was manageable…
the plot thickened this weekend… sunday, the day after my sisters wedding, the ex whom i split from in january insists on seeing me. im concerned. she says she is pregnant, that it is mine, and shes keeping it. HOW F*CKED UP IS THAT?! again, she was on the pill, and we were together at the time – that’s what the pill is for, couples… it gets worse, shes 5 months gone (which would tie in to when we were sleeping together) and known for 2 months already… shes got straight to the point talking about financial support and now i really am going to be stretched… incidentally, she is just 19 – and similarly doesnt seem to realise she is throwing her life away…
so i now have 2 babies on the way, by two different mothers, due about a month apart. im 25 and feel like my life is over. and before anyone chimes in with “its your own fault” i think i have every right to feel aggrieved at this situation. ive really done not much wrong – ive slept with 2 girls who i had familiar relations with, i knew both of them were on the pill (with a 99% success rate you can understand me forgoing the johnny), and both have got pregnant and made the decision on their own to go through with it and have the baby, without consulting me… how is this fair?
why do they get all the decisions? the recently declared mother said until a week ago she was going to get an abortion (and but for a kidney infection she would have) but is now keeping it. she could have got rid of it without my consent, and she can keep it without my consent – theres no real justice there i think… if women want to make the sole decision to go through with this when not in a loving relationship then the burden of maintenance should be on them… i have little sympathy for either of these girls, just resentment for the position they have put me in.
i rang the csa this morning to see what i would be liable for – 20% of my net income, no consideration of bills, rent or loan repayments… you can hear their ‘i dont give a f*ck about your situation’ tone in their voice… but i have little choice but to pay… should the children be mine – a swift paternity test will be in order for both cases… and i shall look at ways to keep these costs at a minimum – hence why i found this site… but i shall also hold out hope (and i make absolutely no apologies for this) for complications that will alleviate me from this situation. and next time, every time from now on, i will certainly be more careful…
Married in the US but live in Japan. My wife is Japanese. She left to live with her lover and took our children with her. His wife was a friend of my wife but recently passed away from cancer.
Now, I am suing her lover for damages (under Japanese law). However, I am told that (under Japanese law) I will never have custody of my children again regardless of the circumstances of the divorce and on top of that I will be required to pay child support once the divorce is final. I told my lawyer no way under these circumstances do I want to pay child support.
My wife plans to marry her lover after our divorce. Enforcement of visitation rights in Japan is non-existent and once they marry her new husband plans to deny me access to my children.
Yet, I am told and have read that “I am immoral for not wanting to pay child support and don’t love my children!!!”
Everyone who make blankets statements that fathers who don’t want to pay child support are automatically dead beat dads have no idea what they are talking about and I seriously doubt any of them have had to live through similar nightmares.
yvonne on May 3rd, 2012 – I cannot believe the comments i am reading here. It generally takes two to create a life, yet one is expected to accept responsibility and also shoulder the ‘blame’ for becoming pregnant.
Men, keep it in your trousers, or, carry protection and use it! Stop blaming women for your inherent inability to accept your part in creating a life.
Dear Yvonne, while I generally agree with the sentiment in your argument I cannot believe the inherent sexist bias in the expression of your comment. Why not ‘girls keep your knickers on or use the pill/coil/implant etc’? Like you said it takes two to create a life!
Meanwhile I hope we can both agree that this thread shouldn’t be about how to ‘avoid’ the csa, I certainly agree with you that both parents should accept responsibility. Perhaps we should be talking about the csa making a reasonable calculation, then we might not need so many sites like this one?
well said j 🙂
when a female falls pregnant it’s usually because, as you say they have chosen NOT to keep their knickers on and/or use the pill/coil/implant. It could also be that she has lied to man in order to get pregnant because SHE wants a child and is not in a relationship, she makes this decision regardless of the effect is has on the man… I am a female and believe that they are 95% responsible for pregnancy as they are the ones who should say NO when there is no protection.
This is a whole ethical issue but the bottom line is that if we had a system that was fair to both PWC and NRP and took into account all income and expenditure of both then we would have less cases… better still, if the CSA were prevented form inventing ‘arrears’ then maybe they would work harder to find a way of getting money from the real ‘absent’ NRP’s.
Either way…. it’s good to talk and these sites certainly help you realise that you are not alone (wether as a PWC or NRP)… the CSA has let us all down…. especially the kids….
Surely the bottom line is we are ALL adults and are ultimately responsible for our own actions.
chall
@ chall, I completely agree with you…
if a woman chooses not to inform her partner that she has stopped using contraception (knowing that her partner does not want children (any more children)) then she should take responsibility for her actions and not force the father to contribute…. emotionally or financially….
he may live to regret it but it should still be his choice…
p.s. sorry, pressed the send button by mistake….
likewise, if a man chooses to have s*x knowing that the person he is with is not using protection then he should take responsibility for his actions and contribute emotionally and financially to the child.
Dear All
It’s very simple…
When access rights are levelled out, there will be no need for the csa as a 50/50 arrangement will mean we would both be paying exactly half each!
Fix the source of the problem, i.e. having to pay 25k to get 1 day a fortnight and loads of ridiculous restrictions on my visitation — What a smash in the face that is! All women havwe to do is roll up to court with a bumbling sob story about DV this and abuse that, and you are instantly marked to the ‘He’s not seeing his child’ bin .. what an absolute joke and its the same story over and over, let me tell you we cant ALL BE violent abusers and sex offenders.. its just too easy for the woman to go around slinging false allegations.
BUT back to the original question if you dont want to pay CSA ask to be paid in euros. I haven’t paid now for 1.5yrs and the case has been closed —
Their system can only do the calculation based on UK tax and GBP. any other currency won’t go into their system.
Nice tip!
WW…I will be grateful to find out more. Could you email me on [email protected]?
@Sally,
I resent you using the word ‘contribute’. It makes it sound like it is a 50/50 arrangement between parents which it is not. The CSA is devastating and can and is used in a very destructive way. Last year my contributions were over £6000. Yet I still had to buy full winter and summer outfits and spending money for parties etc. The kids get very little and there is no recourse / redress. It stinks one hell of a stench. I am out of the system and after having given the house away, pension and left with nothing I am fleeced on income, what is proving to be no more than a handy second income for the ex. No way hose…
@ Pete… I think you misunderstood my comments…. I completely agree that the CSA is 100% bias towards the PWC, the point I was trying to make is that there are very few NRP’s who do not want to ‘contribute’ to their children but the CSA are robbing them blind because of their rules and assessment criteria!!
I am the partner of someone who is in the same situation as you… if the PWC were not allowed to abuse the system and restrict the NRPs access to get more money then there could be 50/50 relationship between parents. In our situation the PWC was a greedy Moo who wanted MY income to be included in the assessment even though my partner was a great Dad and ‘contributed’ more than enough (like you) for his kids. He has absoluely no control over when he gets to see his kids and she manipultes them to get more money etc….
Income and expenditure of both parents should be considered during the assessment… the PWC usually gets WTC, CTC, CB AND child maintenance to support THEIR lifestyle (the kids in our situation see very little of the money) and the NRP’s get penilised for being the parent who does not live with the child full time…. as I said, you misunderstood my comments… the CSA needs to be shut down and those resposible for allowing it to continue should be sacked and charged with mental abuse!!!
sorry! my first paragraph should have read “but the CSA are robbing the the NRP’s (who do pay) blind!!!
Ok guys some advice please, my assessment is £80 a week for 3 children which is fair enough, I don’t see the children as my ex got pregnant with someone else while we were married and cleared off to pastures new. On top of this they have assessed I have to pay £47 a week arrears until next october so they basically leave me with £190 a week to live on which puts me on the breadline – now this is the killer, I recently had a month off work with an arm injury and was only earning £80 a week SSP, I have wrote to them with my wage slips asking for this to be taken into account with my payments and they wrote back saying no adjustment would be made and for the month I was off I still had to pay the full £127 weekly which is £47 more than I was actually earning, I am now back at work and they are currently stopping £160 a week and leaving me with my minimum of £190 until they claw back the 4 payments they couldn’t take while I was off sick approximately £500 – to all you pwc saying keep it in your trousers and such, and you sshould pay for your children, can any one of you tell me that that is fair??
They really are leaving me with no choice other than to quit my job and claim jsa as I would actually be better off when rent and council tax has been taken into consideration – I have asked for a reduction in arrears and they also said no to that too.
for everybody that is fed up of how they are being treated by the csa, go on this website and sign the petition, unless we speak out they will continue to subject us to their incompetant, unfair rules and decisions! this is a government petition website. Lets all stand together to make the rules fair for everybody, we all want to support our children! epetitions.direct.gov.uk then put csa in the search engine.
Not seen my son for 10 years. Never missed a payment. Just moved house and it has the gas and electric card/key meters in. Costing me an absolute fortune. Now not paid for 2 months and my heads done in. My son is nearly. Missed loads of school now doing a dead end college course just so that I keep paying maintenance. You know what I’ve had enough. The family is have now are suffering because of stupid laws giving the mother all the power.
Its my fault for marrying a nasty simpleton.
but I am sad for my children and hope to see them when they are teenagers.
if you are going to get married check out all of the family. if you don’t like the mother later your wife will rebond with her and get the same horrid features, mine got a table arse just like her mother and her lips now curl with the same gross expression as her mother they are both repulsive .
If none of them have passed an exam your kids will always be dumbarses
if they have a family history of divorce youre in for it too
It’s really annoying having to pay for my kids. Just pissed that it took so long to meet a rich bird so I can bum about, not working. Thank fook they changed the law in ’03 else she’d be having to pay for the little bastards. And thank fook for sites like this that help people like me to shirk all my responsibilities. Tried being self employed but those gits wouldn’t leave me alone. Full time bum – it’s the future!
What allot of RP seem to forget is the NRP still has to feed the kids when they have them, they still have to buy a bed for it to sleep in, they still have to buy cloths for the kids, they still have to pay for birthday presents, christmas presents, easter eggs and pay to take them on holiday, PLUS pay the CSA 15% of thier money they earn.
ok it take two to make a baby, and im sure many planned to have the baby while during a stable relationship but things went bad.
the thing that gets me and im sure all NRP understand this..The problem is we have ABSOLUTLY NO control over the money we give our ex. in a relationship we would have a 50% say in what we spend on our kids. so why dont we have a say in where the money gets spent??
let me put it another way..
lets say i was giving £200 to my ex. my daughter is having a great upbringing, she is clothed well, has holidays each year, gets two lots of christmas/birthday/easter presents etc. but all of a sudden i get a better job paying twice my wages. meaning I would now have to pay £400 a month. Can someone please tell me where the extra £200 would go? because i know 100% for sure it would not be spend on my daughter, it wouldnt even go in a trust fund for when she is older, it would go towards new bags, shoes, more spending money each month for my Ex.
Anyone who tells me different is in my opinion full of shit.
if my ex was on benifits and struggling to put cloths on my daughter then i would be throwing money at her. but when i see my daughter getting twice what normal kids get yet my Ex still goes back to the CSA wanting more money it just makes me sick.
Had and still having a mare with my ex. Known by many as the psycho bitch from hell. Just done a prison sentence on the back of her lies only. Never willingly sign those court orders! Have not seen the kids for years now. And have given up. I’m actually not bothered anymore. So battle weary. CSA and crapcrass are just bullies and excusers for these vile vile women/mothers. I won’t be earning anymore than £100 pw untill my kids are is it 19 when CSA stops. Also is it right that they now calculate your payments from your gross not the net!!? Shocking if true. I left the home with the witch very well off indeed, so not a concern for the kids financially. Other options simpler than leaving the country priv pens upto 15% and being a carer for someone too!!! Both solid and easy to sort. Good luck all. It’s certainly a women’s world. You gotta laugh or you’ll cry.
This website is SICK! What majority of don’t seem to relies, providing for your own children or rather not isn’t about pissing off your ex (or child’s primary care). It’s about doin right by the children you played apart in making
I will total my own used the method of claiming he was self employed to avoid paying any csa for my self and my three siblings for over 15yrs.
And its horrible, it physically hurts to know that own father would go to such length to avoid what essential is he dutys.
So man saved my self a few quid, and not they r many o you on this site who thinks they making him success story.
Well bottom line his got 4 now adult children who he has emotionally scarred and want nothing to do with him and a total 6 grandchildren who hell never meet.
You are sacrificing a relationship with own children for sake of few quid. I really don’t no how you people live with your self. And my heart goes out to your children who you have emotional destroy with your immature and selfish actions
really??
some of you dads should literally be ashamed of yourselves in fact you should probably just sign over your parental rights??
The effort some of you guys are going to, to not pay for your children is ridiculous, I understand some mothers take the money and they always have there hair and nails done, but look past that are your children well fed, well dressed and happy, if yes then shes is spending money be it yours hers or the goverments on your children not to mention she is there sole carer sometimes 24/7 she does not get to swan off as and when she likes as you do, and i get some mums are awful and use there children in the games and want to go after as much as she can but in reality the percentage in based on your earnings and given that you dont really have any dependants once your seperated paying a percentage should not be an issue and would probably be less than you was paying when you was together….
get a life some of you and step up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if you move abroad and are tax free and are then classed as a non UK resident can the csa still take money from your wages
I’ve not yet dealt with the CSA but my Ex is a complete psychopath. So, the problem is trying to deal with her when I know that any money I give her will go to handbags and clothes and not to our daughter.
The whole CSA process is corrupt. I am self employed and can simply move abroad for a bit or pay myself minimum wage to reduce what she gets. I have no problem with paying maintenance, but the biggest gripe is that fathers have no control over how this money is spent.
Fathers have no say over the pregnancy, name and have to prove we’re the fathers to avoid paying. There must be a simpler way and a way which ensure the child gets the correct financial support by calculating how much it costs to maintain them and anything above that should be put away in an account for that child that needs both parents to approve the removal of funds. I have an account for my daughter but most my money spare will go to a mother who’s middle name must be Satan. I would just like more control over WHAT this is used for.
Fathers should take responsibility to maintain their children, but I cannot see why we have to maintain the mother too. That’s the big problem here, and the child is normally the victim of any dispute.
I have just been through the system and even High Court judicial review.
Here is my advise to all blokes and victims of cold nasty selfish psychopaths
:
1. If the CSA are after you, claim for custody,
2. join a child welfare charity as a volunteer
3. Cry in court
4. Act submissive
5. Explain that she had blokes coming around and one of her boyfriends beat you
6. Act like you are on trial for your life when they ask you questions. Say I neither admit nor deny your allegation
7. Use a DX address and always use signed for letters to communicate with them
8. Get a certificate of service form and fill it out every-time you send anything to anyone
9. Apply for CSA FOI if they have a history of you
10.THe CSA will always try to go behind your back first
11. Claiming custody is the best way to fight the CSA and greedy women
12. Be two faced
13. Answer every question with: I will refer your question to my solicitor
14. Get a solicitor to write to the CSA
15. Never make direct contact with a CSA claimant or try to settle with them directly
16. don’t delay in fighting back even if you don’t have a chance, appeal and appeal and appeal as fast as possible
17. Get a non-molestation order from family court against the CSA claimant or her partner or her family member. just make up any nonsense and cry and act scared in family court
18. If all else fails, change jobs quickly do so, the CSA are slow and it takes them ages
19. Put maximum amount in your pension
20. CSA are on the side of the claimant and are all commission based
Anyone who wants to bring a class action with me against CSA let me know
My scenario is slightly different from most on here.
I was 14 years old when I met my ex, who was 35 at the time. What was at the time, a fun and secret “relationship”, got a lot more serious when this divorced mother of 4 became pregnant again. I was 15 when the first boy was born, and therefore felt obliged to remain and look after him/her and her four other children. I dropped out of school, and later on college to start work and earn a wage. EVERY penny for the next 6 years was handed over, throughout those years suffering serious abuse of every nature from this woman. She had, however, ensured that I was ALONE, and had instigated various scenarios so that I may never return to parents, siblings etc.
After receiving an extremely bad beating from her when I was 21, I finally decided to make the break, and get out while I could.
Years of abuse followed, with smashed windows, constant hate mail, burning out of cars, letters to various employers with all sorts of disturbing content.
I eventually joined the army, and was then hit with a DEO which took most of my salary before I seen it.
I Paid in full for over 6 years, until she decided it was not enough, and began yet another hate mail campaign to my commanding officers. (the CSA told her where I was). I was then left with no option, other than to leave the career I loved.. This evil woman has haunted me throughout the last 16 years, and to this day, I still get nasty contacts from her.
My point is – although what seemed great at the time, quickly developed into something much more dangerous. The older I became, the more I realised that I was effectively “Groomed” by this psychopath, and what she had put me through was nothing short of CHILD ABUSE, both sexual, physical, and mental.
THE CSA STILL TOOK THIER MONEY, AND CONTINUE TO HARRASS ME and my wife of ten years to this day.
Many times I have thought/considered legal action… But do not want to be associated or have to look at the evil child abuser ever again.
MEN, no matter what age, are always screwed over by both the CSA and certain women.