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gman always a plessure to suport genuine guys in very differcult circumstances,
Suicide is not worth it fight the scum! http://www.facebook.com/pages/Child-Support-Agency-Corruption/138094386286954
Craig i hear you, but if the system supported men aswell as the woman then maybe my two mates would be alive today
Dear person on the internet,
You are an awful human being. I feel as though a part of my faith in the human race has been irreparably damaged for having accidentally stumbled across your nasty, incoherent ramblings.
Kind regards, Dickcheese.
Dan
CSA is a con.
My ex has stopped me from seeing my two children (One of which is a step-son) and then after 8yrs stung me with CSA. I dont earn much, and have a new family and responsibilities, I had to pay 2 lots of £500 before xmas. Who here can honestly afford that? And pay their own rent and living allowances (Which were not extravagant) I lost my job because I did not have enough money for fuel (Its 60 miles away) I lost my home because I could not keep the payments on rent. I TOLD THE CSA THAT I COULD NOT AFFORD IT YET THEY STILL CHARGED ME!
I have now left work, and live with my parents until I find a job, when I do I will use a different NI Number. If they find me I will move again, and repeat the process.
I have not been offered a DNA test, I have not been offered to see my children, I cannot see my kids because of my ex who is jealous I now have a life, despite her living with the bastard that she had an affair with.
All of her family including herself does not work and milks the government.
We should name and shame the PWC’s with their addresses.
Keiley Stimson, 100 Walter Close, Swindon. Tel – 07903541558.
IF THEY STOP ME FROM BEING A PART OF MY KIDS LIVES THEN THEY OBVIOUSLY BELIEVE THEY CAN DO IT ON THEIR OWN.
I TRIED TO HELP, AND I BELIEVE I SHOULD PAY, BUT NOT THE EXTORTION FROM CSA. IF SHE LETS ME SEE MY CHILDREN THEN I HAVE NO PROBLEMS IN PAYING TOWARDS THE COST OF THE CHILDS LIVING. OTHERWISE NO DEAL.
CSA are a bunch of brain dead souless morons who have nothing better to do than to inflict financial punishment on already financially impeded people.
How can they justify charging so much, and making this happen? Why should my Children who live with me suffer because of my ex?
ITS ILLEGAL IS WHAT IT IS PEOPLE, WE LET THIS HAPPEN BY ALLOWING THE GOVERNMENT TO DO THIS. WE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ALLOW THE GOVERNMENT TO OPERATE. IF WE WILL STAND SHOULDER TO SHOULDER AND SAY NO MORE, THEY HAVE TO LISTEN. BUT NO ONE HERE HAS THE BALLS TO DO IT EXCEPT ME.
HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE GONE TO YOUR MP AND STOOD UP FOR YOURSELF? HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE REMINDED YOUR MP THAT HE WORKS FOR YOU? HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT IT IS OUR COUNTRY NOT THE GOVERNMENT’S.
ALL COURT TRIALS INVOKE YOUR RIGHT TO TRIAL BY JURY, THEN GET JURY NULLIFICATION. IF THIS FAILS LETS ORGANISE A PROTEST OR A RIOT.
THEY WILL LISTEN THEN, IF ALL OF US MARCH UPON PARLIAMENT AND TELL THEM THERE AND THEN TO CHANGE IT, THEY HAVE TO.
But my friends it will never happen, because all of you are spineless. I have been arrested trying to see my kids, I have been arrested just calling them up wishing them a happy christmas because my ex played the violence card, there is no proof and I never hurt her ever. Now she has the Draconian law behind her, if she dont want me to see them then I cant, thats law. How many of you have been willing to be arrested for your beliefs? I bet none of you.
When you all grow a back bone come with me and start a protest, not about the bullshit occupy movement, but about something that matters. If you just sit there in your armchairs, then you have no right to be a father.
Lets stop the CSA now, start hash-tagging stop csa, or lets discuss a revolution, its freedom of speech so fuck them. How are they going to stop a million dads marching on parliament? They cant end of story they will have to bow down to pressure of the people, as it is the will of the people.
There are 30 people here on this site, that have protested here about the CSA, lets take it a step further with a march upon parliament, lets get all the dads involved.
Lets start naming and shaming the Women who stop us from seeing the kids, who are bitches.
Lets turn the fight around, and give them a taste of their own medicine.
Who is with me?
Dan who and what are you refering? speak as you find but get to your point in question without accusing people of thier opinions and views, if you have a comment on the CSA lets hear it, as iv said people cases are all different , lets hear yours
Smokey a good valid point about a march, thing is if the fathers for justice cant sort it who can, thats the problem we are up against,
Its not just the stopping of seeing your children but what they take off you as a man and what your are left with,
No money, no home, no dignity and most of all no children in your life, again men are branded as the player, woman are as bad as men, works both ways BUT the law is with them, if a woman concents to sex with a man she can turn it around and accuse a man of rape, theres justice for you,
If we can and you feel strong enough about it lets do it,
One thing we need to remember is that we dont refuse to pay for our children and care but the system allows us not,
Im not ashamed to say on here what my two mates done but as it may seem an easy option and way out for them at the time think how the CSA have distroyed lives, not just the man but the children involved,
I’ve spent the past 4 years on here, my own forum and else where, answering questions from NRP & PWC re; the CSA and CS Legislation.
Sometimes it’s confusing if a parents unhappy about the treatment they have recieved from the CSA, the PWC, the NRP , their looking for an out, looking to show their ex OR looking for some body else to vent their anger on.
Regardless of either parents rights, it is a fundamental right for children to have support from BOTH parents. All parents, married or not, have a legal obligation to financially support their child/ren, and glaringly obvious a one sided approach for change, has not yet had a positive impact on fairer CS Legislation being created ~ so why keep going down the same route?
Maybe some new thinking, different attitudes and a bit of empathy for each other is required from NRP’s and PWC who fall foul of the system ~ Their not your ex or responsible for your situation, every bodies case is different and it’s completely pointless venting your anger at each other.
Working together may attract a different reaction from the Government.
chall ~ afairercsaforall
Wow!! I was only searching for some advice on national insurance!!
If no one has said it already, maybe you bitter bastards should be more choosy about who you breed with. (flint did she make you fuck her?? You do know how lady’s get prego don’t you??)
This page is like the fucking twilight zone.
What kind of prick would deprive his kids out of spite because their ex might get some proxy happiness from it, what kind of slag uses her little intellect to get pregnant unplanned or screw a man for money using the various officials (police, CSA, Who ever) that these slappers do!! You know who you are.!!
Flint!! Unless you want to end up in the shit, you have to be (Moral) as you put it or Normal as I like to see it… as long as pricks like you breed with cunts like your ex. The CSA will be needed. If you fucking ‘tards’ could just see how pathetic you are!!! You are insignificant and so are you petty dramas Nobody cares!!!! the CSA was created because of mongs like you!!
AH…………… go and get fucked and piss on with what you were looking for (national insurance) your clearly a nob jock who aint even got kids, who sits in his 1 bedroom flat pulling the head off it all night
WANKER!!!!!!!!!!
SMOKEY YOUR PLAN FOR A MARCH IS GOOD BUT IT WOULD TAKE SOME PLANNING AND WE WOULD NEED MORE PEOPLE……… BUT YOUR RIGHT WE NEED TO BE HEARD SO LETS GET THE BALL ROLLING
Sorry?
I am a mother of 2, married ! 1 child is from an ex partner who pays regular and agreed amounts of cash for our child, no CSA needed. we were young when we had him and we moved on..(Are you aware of this). as we were not right for each other. He doesn’t live in UK any more but still manages to pay. Not that anything I said before needs that sort of justification. A single -blind- 5 year old could see that the couples not the agency are to blame for most of the grief your all complaining of….I know they have made some errors with paper work but The calculations of what you pay seems fine for some men But others want to dodge paying… The same kind of guys who would send a friend to take a DNA test!! or blood test in the old days.. You know.. I’m fully aware of the crap that goes on in a break up!!! but doesn’t DUTY mean anything to men any more
.gman…Was it??
ANOTHER PWC WHO IS SO BITTER AND JUST WANTS TO MAKE A RANT ON HERE TYPICAL WOMAN BITTER & TWISTED BECAUSE HER HUBBY LEFT HER FOR ANOTHER WOMAN WELL BOO HOO I QUOTE YOU
couples not the agency are to blame for most of the grief your all complaining of….I know they have made some errors with paper work but The calculations of what you pay seems fine for some men
WELL WHAT ABOUT ALL THE GENUINE PEOPLE WHO THE CSA ARE FUCKING OVER MEN ARE LOOSING EVERYTHING BECAUSE OF BINTS LIKE YOU AND THE AGENCY YOU ALL NEED PUT IN A ROOM AND GASSED AT THE END OF THE DAY YES IT TAKES TO BUT IT SHOULD BE LAW IF A WOMAN TAKES THE OPTION TO HAVE A BABY ON HER OWN SHE SHOULD SIGN A LEGAL DOCUMENT TO SAY THE MAN HAS NO PART IN THAT CHILDS LIFE
gman you wont win a debate with a woman who thinks us men are all out to not not pay, its like everything in life MONEY thats all they are concerened about , not the feelings on how it effects us all emotionally, as in my case my ex has turned my kids against me, i,ll go and see them and they look at me as if im a complete stranger , no hugs kisses nothing, very hurtfull , just remember your a bloke and your a complete BASTARD in thier eyes, as iv said before i was a wondefull husband and father till we split, and there was no other woman involved,
ash
you summed that up well MONEY MONEY MONEY its never the KIDS KIDS KIDS is it they just use your kids as a wepon of mass distruction and BOOM in a few short weeks/months alone with the mother and all of a sudden your a complete fekless CUNT!!!!!! women are full of posion 1 way or another i notice she cant reply to my post tho HMMMMMM.
take care mate
gman
gman there are some genuine ones out there, im 50 now and been married twice, dont blame woman entirely for my splits, but they are fueled with poison, its in them mate genetically malfunctioning from the time of conception, .
It dosent help out situations i know BUT until the law in this county changes its gonna go on and on, if theres another life after this one im gonna come back as a woman and be a complete cunt, lol, saying that i came out one and spent so long getting back in, theres no real help out there iv searched and searched, men as i have said have took thier own lives but were given the death sentence by our own goverment who gave the CSA the power to do as they please and not done on individual cases ,
Think about your reasoning, instead of fighting to hurt the ones you are supposed to protect, I know your angry but I am only here out of pure amusement!! I’m good my life’s o.k no better or worse than average. love my kids and both their fathers and The only bitterness I have is about having to share a planet with your sort!! Things could be as easy as you want them to be..!! One day you and your ex’s will have to look your kids in the face and explain why you did what you did and you will feel so small.. If not !?? I think I will leave it, I have made my point. You can only see what your limited perspective allows. Nothing will wake you up!!!
You have no idea ok so go away, you know what gets me to, woman like you who have kids with different blokes, what are you woman a fucking production line for the CSA, and as for amusement if thats all you have to do is come on a site like this and ridicule fuck off ,
Lol two kids with two different blokes, omg you tart, at least my 3 are with the same woman,
I can’t believe some of the stuff i am reading here, there are so many bitter and twisted people here..at the end of the day a child does not ask to be born let alone be born in to a world that has such sick people in it, CSA was brought in for a reason it takes two to have a child not one, so if one of the parents leaves then why shouldn’t you help support your child as lets face it they can’t support themselves, and that goes for both man and women, I have 4 children that i support on my own from working god knows how many hours and yes i have a good job, so do not need any money form my ex partner, who doesn’t want to see them or have anything to do with them which, at the end of the day is his choice.. at least i get to see the happiness that my children bring all i can say is the children do suffer it’s not their fault that things didn’t work out between the parents..i prefer my children knowing they have one loving parent that supports them in all thier needs, and lets face it CSA wouldn’t exsist if payments were being made to the PWC from the NRP and they stuck to it without fail every month or week, CSA was brought in because of people likr FLINT man you really need to grow up and look at life and what it’s about..and yeah CSA do take far to much i agree but if the boot was on the other foot and i had to pay for my kids i wouldn’t bat an eyelid i would pay even if i didn’t have a penny to scratch my ass with as it’s for them to have a life, so all PWC are not the same some of us still have some respect.
Sam you have some good points, its not a matter of sick people on here its the facts and the figures that the CSA take from the NRP,
As from the year 2006 when me and my wife split i still dont have an home which i can call my own, i lost my job of 13 years with the same company due to all the stress and breakup,
Who fault? im not blamimng my ex or myself, things just happen to a point where it gets to the point where you cant get your head around WHY,
I can understand in my case how my ex felt and probably stills feels to this day what went wrong,
Children are the ones that suffer so much but i will never accept the CSA as a fair organization for the man, who i think as a right and still a duty to provide for his children/child,
Iv lived in my van at tempatures -5 -6 sometimes colder because i couldnt afford a roof over my head,
My ex had our house of £130000 which i gave her for herself and our kids,
Now 6 years on i still have no place to call my own,
Iv nevered had my kids stay with me one night since me and my ex split in 2006, not good for them or me,
So do you see the syetem as fair for the man or are you one of these woman that dont give a flying f or are you a sympathetic woman that had feeling and dosent carry round bitterness within,
As iv quoted before each and every case should be looked at on circumstances not on a set of rules and figures that take most of us men for every penny we earn,
have 3 grown up kids my youngest is 19 and working and i have been paying for them via a deduction of earnings order since i split up from my ex 18 yrs ago. Just before xmas i find they have given me a new deduction from earnings order when i queried this i got told it was a mistake and they would rectify it they didn’t and for the last two month they have taken £300 a month of me claiming i owe them £700 now (which i can’t because i have been paying them already) so they now in my opinion owe me £600 any idea how to get that money back am thinking about taking them to a small claims court incompetent or what
Ash you have a really good point i have never agreed with the amount that child support take from a NRP be it a man or a woman, but then it should be fair for both sides if only there was a way where NRP could make payments to the PWC with no CSA involed and stick it maybe the CSA would disappear who knows, and i am not classing all men the same but sometimes it’s the guy that doesn’t keep his payments up and then the PWC seeks advice from CSA and becomes bitter and twisted, i just think life is to short to be so bitter, for goodness sake you split for a reason get on with and live your life, and the women that are bitter and twisted are just making guys think we are all the same, we are not just a shame there aren’t more of us that are understanding, just makes me wonder how they would feel if the boot was on the other foot, maybe then their outlook on life would change, and they may think twice about screwing someone over, and start to think the life isn’t always a revenge it about living and taking care of the kids that are in the middle of all this and didn’t ask to be…
To be honest Ash i can speak like this cause of the hand i was dealt with in life, I was married for a long time, did everything i could within my power to make or life happy and worked all the hours god sent to make ends meet, after awhile my partner starting abusing and using me as a punch bag, i just thought it was a stage he was going through and stuck with him but after my last daughter was born i decided it wasn’t fair for the kids to see or hear so i was the one that walked out with the children with no where to go or anything,i lived on benefits for awhile and was pushed non stop to claim CSA, which i didn’t wanted to i explained the reason’s why they still didn’t listen and kept pushing me, so in the end i thought fuck this i can’t live my life like this so i picked myself up and i still had some self respect left got a job, brought my house and live my life with my kids knowing they are happy and loved my me and i am the one benefiting from their love.. as for him he was left with everything my house my car the lot, so for all the women out their that care the bitter and twisted revenge sticker it doesn’t work and one day it will bite them on the ass, they think it’s ok to use a child as a weapon and a payday it is so wrong of them, a child should be loved and cared for by both parents, my partner doesn’t both with his children as i said before his choice,.. THIS IS WHY I GET SO MAD AT THE WOMEN WHO ARE SO BITTER AND TWISTED, guessing after what i went through i should be like it but i don’t want to be as i have respect for myself and my children why should they suffer over things and lets be honest does all the money you guys pay really get spent on the kids?????
CSA should like at each case and agree with both parents a reasonable amount to be paid then maybe everything would be ok who knows
Sam at the end of your comment about does the woman get all the money we as fathers pay, well iv asked my ex an she says she dosent, i have no reason to dis believe her as shes not a vindictive person,
I also would love to find out why and where does all the payment go,
I wished me and my ex never split as its had a massive impact on all of us, sometimes things are out of our hands in the way of our destiny in life,
Must say my ex is doing a great job raising our 3 children, my contribution to it dosent come close, if only relationship breakdowns were not always to do with money im sure an amical agreement would work wonders,
I felt after 19 years that i done a great job but in the beginging of our split my ex did use everything she could do to make make life hell, things now are better but not 100%,
As in some cases not all the CSA and the rules they are govern by do not make a split amicable, bitterness rund on both sides, no amount of money will ever mend the hurt that we all went thru at that time,
Just a fairer way of doing things would get my vote,
Quote Ash; Just a fairer way of doing things would get my vote.
Think most of us would be happy with that Ash.
chall ~ afairercsaforall
hello all im in the same boat pay csa and i dont grumble even thou csa made me lose my job my ex dose not work got pregnant again by another bloke he wants nothing to do with the child but she wont get on to the csa to get any money off him but she want money off me i have him every weekend and phone him most days in the week aswell all she uses my money for is to pay off items that she has brought for herself not paying for clothes for him i have clothes at mine for him and now she is with her new bloke all she wants to do is consentrate on her new bloke and go drinking there are good dads and good mothers if the bad parents that dont want to pay csa or see there kids then why dont they give up there rights as a parent take there name off the birth cetificate then the good parents can get on with there and the kids lives
HI AMBY07
there is 1 thing to do KILL the bitch your kid is better off without her women like this play the system to screw YOU and live the highlife nothing will ever change on that score cos the goverment are all in on this horrid thing see if she dont work then you pay the csa who then payes the gouverment for her keep they would rather watch men kill themself or fuck off away from their life and dump the life they are trying to build 1 word ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!!!
I wish i had never set eyes on the bitch who is trying to screw me and when i say trying thats as far as it will go well untill the csa provide a dna test
hold your head high mate
gman
KEEP YOUR XXXX IN YOUR PANTS …….THEN YOU DONT GET KID WHOM NEED YOUR SUPPORT …. DEAD BEAT PARENTS .
AND YOU WONDER WHY WE LEAVE WITH ATTITUDES LIKE THAT
SOME PEOPLE ARE EVIL VILE BITTER TWISTED BEINGS .WE LEAVE TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM THIS
DEAD BEAT PARENTS YEAH RIGHT
So how is it i have 3 dependent children who live with me. ill tell you how because i wanted them thats how not because some little tart caught me out well thats if the child is mine as like all little slags do she was putting it about ALOT
So when the csa do provide me with a dna test and that is a WHEN i will provide and pay my way but untill then not 1penny will leave my wallet so you carry on with your life and dont come on here as a PWC slagging or calling people names when you no nothing about peoples cases if anything you need help like most women
GMAN
JUST AS I THOUGHT SCUM!!!!!
gman you are wasting your time with some on here, most woman are none sympathetic towards any man let alone the genuine ones, we are tarnished with the same brush as those who blatantly refuse to be a good father, just remember this , quote, woman was made from the rib of a man, what does that tell you, god couldnt really be arsed to start a fresh and make a perfect woman, hence god using a rib from a man who had no need for it, Woman need a man for one purpose, MONEY nothing else,
Firstly Ash please don’t tarnish all women with the same brush because I am hard working and would never ask or expect anyone to pay for me or my children should I ever have any. But I can understand where your coming from giving the comments on here from some stupid women! I cannot believe the CSA can be allowed to treat people this way. Men have taken their own lives because they can’t afford to pay the ridiculous amount of money the CSA want! Surely something should be done about this! My partner had 2 children with his ex and she cheated on him and when he wouldn’t take her back because of this she got bitter and didn’t let him see his children and she moved miles away! She got the CSA onto him and he’s had a struggle ever since. He wants to pay for his children but not for her holidays to Vegas! He earns £1000 a month the CSA want £550 per month out of this, £300 normal payments and £250 a month for debt. This only leaves him £50 a month for food, petrol, insurance etc after rent! It’s a ridiculous amount and the children are 17 and 20 now (obviously he doesn’t pay for the 20 yr old anymore) It really frustrates me how she works and her new husband works, they have a nice car, a nice house go to America 3 times a yr while my partner is struggling to eat and pay rent! I feel ashamed to be a woman after reading the comments on here! Women are now making a living out of having children it’s disgusting! And the stupid cow who works for the CSA, what is your problem love!? How sick are you to get pleasure out of taking someone’s house!? You really confirm my theory that all people who work for the CSA are bitter, twisted man hating twats!
Firstly to the above, i apologise for some of my comments but as you rightly say not all woman are of the same,
I do get angry and frustrated about certain situations that happen between two people but, the percentage and the statistics show how unfair the system is and still is to this day, if im correct in saying the CSA was formed in 1991/92 from what i can remember and still to this day as iv said and also you have pointed out men have taken thier own lives, not due to not wanting to pay but couldnt plus have a life of thier own after,
Its so sad that after all these years and the men who have taken thier own lives things have not improved,
If i was to say i havent or not considered taking my own life i would be lieing,
It dosent take a coward it takes guts and courage,
Threatening men with a prison sentance, taking away his driving licence, taking away virtually everything he owns is behond me,
Im going to say on here what i earn a week, well what i come out with, £150,
Now considering my rent as i have no mortgage anymore is £64 a week, i have to run a small van, insurance and tax plus maintanance of the vehicle, diesel, food council tak bill, take all that out plus £132 a month for CSA payments, dosent sound alot if you break it down over a week but all this out of £150 and work out whats left, A BIG NOTHING, i used to smoke now i cant, which ok might be a good thing for my health but why should i stop if i liked it, i used to like going out once a week cant do that now,
Now on another note my ex goes abroad at least once a year, i cant, i gave her a £140000 house for her and our children, i live in a small 1 bed flat with no room for an over night stay for my children, she works part time, but she always did, take my hat off to her, children want for nothing, my eldest studying law very clever girl, my othe two both have a good education are not effected by our split, well not now anyway, kids cope,
I could go on but who listens to us men, not many, so as i said to the lady above im sorry if any of my comments have offended you, not intended,
WELL ASH the comments above prove there are a few decent women out there not many but a few the csa should be closed down your right but like ive said before and ill say again it NEVER WILL as it makes too much money for who? (the gouverment)
now after my court date 31/01.12 the csa have sorted a DNA test out through a company called cellmark YEAH RIGHT they sorted it ok i recieved a letter today saying i had 7 days to pay £408 or they would refer my case back to the scum (CSA) as they would take it as i was not wanting to do it and before some snotty up her self woman jumps in here i do want to do it just i aint got 408pence spare after bills it would take me a month or so to get this kind of money together even then i would have to miss important household bills in order to do so
why should my 3 kids go without when a multi billion ££££ company could easy cover this and add it onto my already growing bill i tell you now they could its just they hate men full stop so choose not to help so they can cause upset to guess who MEN
my solicitor today hit the nail on the head he said i should go self employed claim a small wage and get the cunts to recalculate my payments what do you know about this ash any help i would be very greatful mate
gman
gman what i would do is what your solicitor has said, find a job where you can earn money on a self employed bases, now by doing that you must keep accounts of your earning, eg a diary of your work and what you earn, if you give me your email address i will tell you exactly what and how i do it, im not going to put personal information on a site like this because they will have you as quick as you can imagine,
Obvioulsy there are people on here that will pass your information on to the authorites and drop you in the shit mate, just email me at [email protected] and i,ll be happy to pass on more info,
my son is now 22 and 15 years ago…. I had a phone call and literally they said Ah Got U… I said pardon…we are the CSA u have not been paying child supprt for 10 years now its time 2 pay… Errhhh actually I pay u every month….No u don’t prove it… well yes actually I can ….finally they agreed I had been paying them… they then said ah but u have been paying the wrong amount…on what basis ???? well we did an assessment on u back in 1996 and u should be paying this amount… I said well actually I wrote to u contesting this and gave u my new address I was moving to. Well we issued the reply to your old address…..So they did a reassesment and found their 1996 assessment was far to hire. They wanted over £6500 unpaid payments… said well u can see obviously this amount was wrong…. they told me to write in… did so… no answer… rang in numerous times fobbed off…. finally spoke to a guy who turned around and said…Don’t understand.. u were issued a final decision back in 1996 (to my old address) there is no way we can change the £6500…came to an agreement to pay a little extra per month slowly paying off the amount…. son turned 18 suddenly I had phone calls at work…not asking was it ok to speak.. just straight in…once when I had a customer in front of me….basically demanding the £4000 that was left to be paid NOW !…. Was told we can see you have a Credit Card with a limit of £6000 pay it NOW !!!….I said I am not putting it on my Credit Card… and the answer was see you in court then type attitude….After speaking to 3 horrible people I finally spoke to somebody human ….Lucky I have a supporting family and they lent me the money to pay it off..All this when I had a 1 year old son…. they weren’t interested in his welfare… only the money
The stress and pressure they put you under was unbelievable … sadly no wonder men have committed suicide.
I just gave my son my old car…….finally able to afford a newer one…..the car said more to him then any CSA payment ever
I think both sides are capable of making it impossible to have a civilised arrangement. Your opinion is wrong about my situation GMAN & Ash . I am the kind of person that wants everyone to get on!! and this sort of hateful nonsensical crap, offends me. Your only harming your self and your offspring. Nobody asked you to have sex, I don’t think the men are to blame, If you read my first post you would see that I mention both sides, stubbornness and game playing on BOTH sides is the point I made!! My ex pays because I guess he sees it as the right thing, I never needed to fight for It and probably wouldn’t have even if he had been different. That’s what I meant when I said its made for your kind!!
I see that you still don’t want to let the bitterness YOU carry go!! Angry emotional!! your clearly not having a good time feeling so fucked over but the thing is that’s coz your seeing it as a war to be won or lost. Which will only cause more shit for you and make you act as a reaction not as a choice, you would say and do things against your own beliefs to beat the system!! that’s not even human that is just acting on animal instinct…
There are thousands of couples splitting all the time with no need for the csa! The PWC work so there is no issue with the other parent having to reimburse the state, they are known as reasonable people!!! I even know women that wont take money from ex’s as their pride makes them want to stand on their own feet. You must have met people that have not had the bad experience described on this site..people more like I have described. What is your opinion of people that don’t cause drama!! Are they all bitter as you say I am. Instead of breaking what remains of your own family’s apart maybe you should try to do something that actually makes them and yourself happy like Writing to you kids about your REAL feelings and saving the letters until they are older That’s one idea anything would be better than spouting of and feeding your hatred. BTW I can’t stay away now I found this I love debating!!?
So what happens when you’re persuaded into having a child by your partner a year into the relationship (we we’re engaged). I found out later he was a compulsive liar :o( Then when the novelty has worn off he’s off with someone else with no children (nice and easy). leaving you with a disabled child to care for 24/7. He never bothers with the child not even a card at xmas/birthdays and you get no respite from the role at all? His family can’t be bothered either as they don’t want any responsibility, disabled children are hard work! He has Autism, ADHD and severe learning diablities.
I have a child from another relationship with a father that I have never asked for anything, as he wants to see his child and shares the responsibility. What i’m asking is if you have no-one to help with the child in question ie no family etc and cannot get respite as the child is under 5, and the father doesn’t care at all what do you do? I had a nervous breakdown looking after my son for 3 years alone without a break. Child care costs £120 a day, yes a day! If he wont look after the son he wanted shouldn’t he have to help pay for some child care? just so i get to have a few moments to myself? He has made sure he never does anything for anyone other than himself. He doesn’t spend most nights up all night with his son, or going crazy repeatedly trying to help his son whom cannot speak and ask for what he wants.
I am committed to my children and would do anything to make them happy, but i am also a person too, but never get any time to myself. His father stole any chance I had to have any kind of life or career, and his response when asked about his son was “I can’t look after him he would ruin my life!”, but he was ok with it taking mine! So what now?
Ok ok… lets scrap CSA.
Lets go halves instead on everything for the child.
Based around a single mother, no other man around, working full time with a small baby on £30000 a year. If your paying halves then she wont need any benefits as well. BONUS!
Lets start
Childcare costs
£150/2 = £75 a week
water about
£35/2 = £17.5
£17.5/2 = £8.75 a month as thats half of babies side
gas and electric mine has been £140 per month for the winter months as heating needs to be on for littl’n constantly.
so I would use about £40 on my own so take that off lets half £100
£100/2 = £50
£50 a month
food
£35/2 = £17.50 per week
£75 a month.
clothes
£60/2 = £30
I tell you what… now i know some men dont like handing over money and some pathetic bints dont like their husbands providing for their ex children, more fool you, when he ditches you you’ll be in the same position as his ex. I find that absolutely hilarious! Don’t give women the cash… just pay the company we’ll give you the details so you can pay them!
Now lets see what the cost is……
monthly
childcare £325
water £8.50
G & E £50
food £75.83
clothing £30
Total £489.33 a month
If the woman stays at home and decides to look after your children at home while you earn and create a better life for yourself, you don’t even have to pay childcare costs! lucky you, nor do you have to think about childcare. You’ll have it made!
Strangely enough… most women aren’t asking for all that though they are only asking for a measly 15% that the csa can try and get out of you ‘deadbeat dads’ to provide for the children you had with them.
I know lots of women that have turned down the csa because the amount is so rediculously small they have told them where to stick it!
Someone said something about creating a website for men that don’t want to pay for their children. I think that is a brilliant idea!!
A lot of men are saying some awful things on this site, if you had to show your faces you wouldn’t dare say it!!!!!!!!
I feel sorry for the women that date these men, their heads will be filled with lies about how they tried to pay, how the ex didn’t take the pill (deliberately) how you tried to see your kids but she wouldn’t let you boohoo. Women wise up to what these men are doing its better to be single believe me!!
Kudos to the good men out there!
Rebecca try me id show my face and say anything i like, Rebecca go and join the other bitter and twisted bitches on here, your just a man hater face it,
i dont hate men. i hate narcisistic people. there are lots on here and your denying that, will be part of that trait. your not arguing to lower the payments your argueing because you want every penny of your hard earned cash to yourself as a guy on here puts it ‘looking after number 1’. narsisistic. i love spending every penny of my hard earned cash on my children. i love seeing them in nice clothes i love buying them their favourite toys. they get everything before i do without question! it shouldnt be about money on here it should be about the precious times you have with your children. their first steps, their giggles, beautiful smiles and providing basic necessities for your innocent children. i think its heart breaking that any man can talk about providing for his child in such a way! many men on here will be saying she wont let me see my kids. what ive noticed by lots of men is they originally wanted to show up at the womans door demanding to see his children as and when it suited. ive heard it many times by the blokes themselves! if the woman then stops contact because he doesnt show up, he then doesnt understand why shes done it or how much doing that damages their child. ive seen that first hand too. its VERY common! im sure one of you narcisists has a comment to make defending yourself on why your child doesnt deserve any of your money.
You talk total bollocks, my children can have my last penny if it was down to me, BUT i have to have a job to provide for them, i would like my own home to have them stop over but still i cant afford my own place, and as for looking after nu 1 you talk gabbage, i dont give a shit about the money side of things, as iv said before its how the CSA go about doing things, in my case i showed up everytime i was supposed to, then came the excuses, o your son has gone to a friends party, o your daughter dont want to come because her brother wont be coming, that happened to me time and time again over a two year period, If any guy on here wants to look after nu 1 then so be it because if he cant look after himself he cant provide for his children, these dabates come in so many different forms but you are just picking out the cases that you can refere to, again change shoes for a minute do your homework then say something constructive, O by the way STOP useing ypour big words to try a baffle some people on here, dosent work with me lol
Forgot to add, QUOTE It shouldnt be about money, then QUOTE, on why your child doesnt deserve any of your money.
Very contradictive,
ash this rebecca should be hung she is probs the type that traps a bloke contacts the csa then stings the man for every penny possible just so she can drive the flash car and have the fancy holidays 3 times a year people like this aint worth shit so please dont loose any sleep tonight as i wont, lol
rebecca please do go and fuck yourself as your just the same as zll the others!!!!!
gman
gman as always it isnt about the children with some of the crap that woman come out with, constructive remarks im ok with, but when you get a woman that says in one breath it shouldnt be about the money , then oh why your child dosent deserve any of your money confusesme.com lol,
As you so righly say flash car/s holidays abroad, i wish i could, and i wish i could afford to take them abroad, this site will always go back and fourth with the narrowed minded people on here, again i will stress not all woman or men are bad and i wouldnt call my ex about anything other than she got the CSA onto me within two weeks of our split, after 19 years together im sure an amicable agreement would have worked, but as we know some woman will do anything to make sure a man will suffer and end up with nothing, even the kids,
well said ash mate