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CSA… SHIT!!! So the wife gets to have it off wi the milk man throw the hubby out on the street and yup the hubby has to pay her … does he have a choice- give him the kids and you pay him!!! aye no so keen on that idea eh!.. wtf I am a single mum 2 kids 2 dads CSA not a penny ! none of ther fkn business who i was shaggin as far as they are concerned I don’t know no names and yes both dads names are on the birth certificates…….. I know nothing these kids are mine.. as for the dads they can and do see the kids whenever it suits them, do my kids get upset when daddy doesn’t arrive NO! Well you know how daddy is such an unreliable git yeh!!! well why the fk tell the kids when hes ment to be coming if you know he probably wont(!! A GET A GRIP…look after your own kids n if your no happy then give them to dad..FAIRS FAIR CIS should be abolished …MUM
I got a letter from them saying i owe £60.00 in overdue payments. First off my son is 18 years old, and his mother has never seen a penny of that money. Fuck knows where it goes. Anyway, the CSA is actually a company, with a registration number trading for profit…got this info from DUPORT.co.uk
CHILD SUPPORT AGENCY
No: UC2339568
ASHDOWN HOUSE, SEDLESCOMBE ROAD NORTH, ST LEONARDS ON SEA, EAST SUSSEX, TN37 7NL
Now if they are a government agency, why do they have a reg number?
If they are claiming that i owe them that money, then as a company we must of had some kind of agreement via a signed contract, with both parties signatures on the contract right.
They have given me 7 days to pay up or have threatened me with legal action.
So what i’m gonna do is send them a notice stating i accept their offer for me to pay them…on the condition they can send me proof of claim, and to provide the ORIGINAL documents of agreement, otherwise don’t contact me ever again.
That way i stay in honor if it does go court (conditional acceptance) and put the ball in their court to proove.
Send that shit recorded delivery, so i know someone in the company SIGNED for it.
If they don’t respond within the 7days, and go silent, meaning they have nothing, i then have proof of a tacit agreement, and they are now in dishonor.
NO CONTRACT, NO OBLIGATION.
Ever wondered why your name on all letters to do with money issues (Bank, Credit Card, CSA, Fines.etc) always come in ALL CAPITAL letters?
We the people have so much power, if we know how to use it.
Peace
I agree with everything that all of you are saying (which is strange)
YES the CSA are a bunch of tossers my experience with them has been less than adequite…when my daughter was born I gave them the relevant paperwork that they asked for, after a year they still hadn’t taken anything from me. I hadn’t noticed as I was told it was an attachment to earnings, but once I found out I wasn’t paying I then called them and asked WTF was going on (as I do want to pay for my child) anyway it eventually got sorted they put me in debt as they were taking 65% to 80% of my wage over the course of a year which left me as you can guess pennyless.
on the other side, if you don’t want to pay CSA come to an agreement with the mother and make sure you have a paper trail so you have proof if she decides to try screw you over.
BUT my biggest hate is both FATHERS who can’t be arsed to pay for their kids when there are a lot of genuine guys out there who DO pay for their kids,this is probably why the CSA takes such a high amount from those that do pay (before you rant and rave…no i don’t work for the CSA). And the MOTHERS who cannot be arsed to get off theyre fat arses and get a job! Don’t give me the ‘there isn’t any job for me’ stop aiming for a super model or super star job when your clearly only qualified to clean, mop or be a tea lady in some office! you should’ve done beetter at school and got better grades or tell the guy NO! it takes 2 to create yet only one has to pay while the other gets to sit on their fat arse for nothing…and get paid to do so!
My parents split when I was young…my dad never paid for me, my mum never chased him (claimed she didn’t know where he worked and never seen him since they split) yet I had regular contact with him without the hostility between him and my mum, he supplied everything i needed top brand clothes, shoes, food, school trips etc. These days are now gone because all that people want to do nowadays is get paid a lot of money (or as much as possible) for doing bugger all and the government has allowed this to happen and made it easy for people to do so
I guess in a nut shell we all hate our situation which is made worse for one parent (prodomenently the father)
As I said from the beggining I agree with everything that’s been said by everyone, those that don’t want to pay CSA because they genuinly are being crippled (I sympathise with this), those that are saying their ex’s need to get a job and those that are requesting payment for their child (it does take 2 to create)
My opinion is.
If you knowingly have a child with someone then you should help to support that child. If you don’t know about a child and they come searching for you 10 years on then it’s not your fault and shouldn’t be held resonsible for that child unless you want to.
My circumstance is that me and my ex were together for 16 years, have two children aged 13 and 8. He left me one school morning taking everything he beleived that was his, leaving me with all the debts as he had planned it for a while as everything was in my name (mug). He then moved in with my friend and I was told they have been together for 4 years. He begrudged paying £70pw out of his £37,500 salary a year. He mistreated/neglected the children when they were in his care. Stopped paying csa as he had a change of circumstances, moved offices at work, and cos he didn’t win custody of our son, didn’t want our daughter. After finally getting support from child services and the police I stopped his contact with teh children, hated see them cry leaving and cry when they returned as to what daddy had done. CSA are now taking money directly from his wages but his mate has filled in the forms resulting in just £37 per week. Then he claims he’s on the sick and cant pay, yet works cash in hand for his brother company. I do not want the money for myself, I wanted it for our children. Every penny received went directly into my account then split equally into their accounts to pay for college, university, a car, a house or whatever they needed. Yet my ex drives around in a brand new car, bought himself a new house, just come back from two weeks in florida with my friend and her son. Yet my children get nothing. I work ever hour I can without it inflicting on my childrens lives. I spend time with them not money on them. We have a good life, or I think so. But how do I explain to them that their dad doesn’t care and is too busy with his new life to bother with them. Both are in counsilling to get over the abuse they have had from him. Saying that they only saw him for a couple hours a week when we were together as he was either in work or at the gym (ex friends I know now). Only saw him Sundays when he could be bothered to shout at them to move away from the tv as he was playing his xbox. They courts have no ordered me to make the children see him once a week for a couple of hours whilst they decide he he should see them or not and get more evidence from child services and the police.
Some dads and mums don’t deserve children. And the day people realise this the day less children will be born or abused, or neglected, or taken advantage of, or ignored.
I love my children and i’m betting many people out there love their children too. I am lucky I see them everyday. Some dads and mums might be lucky enough to see their children in passing and wish it was more, other don’t get a moment. Some fight for their children and win. The ones I feel sorry for are the ones that loose and it ruins their lives.
This is my opinion and no-one elses, I do not wish to step on anyones toes or imply that I am right in anyway. In a real world mummies and daddies will love each other forever and everyone would be happy.
We help NRP on our site the CSA/CMEC do take far too much money. And the greedy PWC 90% of them it is greed.Come to our site NRP I am Dolpin K we do our best to help NRP and their new families keep a roof on their new childrens head.
TO 90% OF PWC
You are the one that should be ashamed POVERTY? A single mother and child has NEVER been in poverty. HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME.
What about clothes for the NRP new children? what about warm for the new NRP children? Because of the csa my sick daughter is cold every winter as we can’t put the heating or fire on. We ARE left in poverty with a back wall that is so bad now we have warter coming into the bedroom. The NRP and their new family is who is put in poverty. Lets take away the PWC heating, lets take away the PWC car lets stop all her benefits after all the NRP don’t get benefits. We work we do not live off others and never our ex. I would never live off a ex husband hang your head in shame. The children should be taken away useing a child for money is the lowest thing you could ever do. SHAME ON ALL PWC THAT DO THIS.
My EX-brother in law MARCUS BRUCE who works full time in the drilling industry has refused to pay even a fraction of his monthly wage to support his two children Mathew and Rebacca Bruce
He did work at one point for ENSCO drilling but may now have moved to pastures new …… to add insult to injury he has told his own son he now gets
£ 12,000.00/mth of which he pays his ex-wife Elanor Bruce £ 00.00/mth
I can’t believe that fat W4nker can do this to his own kids
Well done CSA nice job you have NOT done there
PS you lot are also W4nkers
Women lying about being on the pill, cheating on you, chucking you out, appearing years later with child…. Booohooo! You ‘men’ are jokes! The only real contraception is to keep your slimy dicks in your pants. For every guy that’s been fucked over by a women, is a women left behind with a baby, due to been fucked over by a guy.
CSA might be harsh, and seem a lot, but I tell you now as a single mum whom works full time btw, for every 100 I make I spend a lot more than 15 on my child. Paying for your spawn isn’t a chore its something you should willing do. It takes two to tango! I pity your sad existance and your poor children, I went through csa with my ex, and he pays a measely 19 a week, I have full custordy of our son, aswell as working 30 hours a week, my ex works 16 hours, I could be bitter to think his 19 probably just covers our sons milk, and nappies for a week, yet I’m just happy he’s man enough to realise its not just a womans responsibility to raise and pay for a child that takes two adults to make!!!
Bunch of TOSSERS! Please get the snip asap, and rid our Country of you Jeremy Kyle escapdes!
~I have answers to how to aviod. all men go to the houses of parlement, stand outside massive list of people strugling to pay bills hit the news! wont get anywere unlees you hit the media! no one will listen to reason so use what ever methords possible DONT HARM ANYONE! especialy the x. and as for the men that let there kids down in the past not providing for them. we pay for your debts now!
I was earning 1400 after tax. i did a little overtime that brings my pay to 30k. then my x gets 450 per month for two children. gets what ever benifits. totaling 1900, with my money she will have 1200 pound disposable. tell me how single mums dont manage without a job. I have a well paid job earn 30k with OT. i am left with 900 before i even stat to pay for getting to work and eating. rent supplying kids with days out when i see them, but at the moment all i want is access to them 3 days per week this will bring the payments down. but i dont think the courts will alow this because they will support the mother no matter what. she gets a massive insentive to keep me away £450 per month. having kids gets you paid i f your a woman. dads treated like chickens that cant lay eggs. roasted slowly every week. treated like mustrooms fed crap and kept in the dark. people cant live like this for ever somthings got to give. I am going crazy trying to live at the moment. I have no money. work 6 days aweek for 900 per month, 200 of that will go on fuel then 500 rent. 700, gas lectric. picking the kids up feeding them were is my food money. ??? tell me. its ok my kids can eat well. ill just starv and get depressed. the single mum will eat well, i know loads of women that do well driving 11 plate cars on lease going out everyweekend i know this because these little cows call me for a quick jump in bed. 3:aam calls. i am thinking get with one of them to off set my loss. so single women that leach the system living beyond there means hurry up and get real. men will lose there cool one day,. men fight wars build citys. its what we do. women have kids and provide. at the moment they take take take. well enough is enough lets work as parents not enemys. teaching the kids to take every penny form others. works for mummy so why not me ill just deal drugs when i get older or ill be a little slag have 5 kids with men that have good jobs me mum had it all wrong with my dad. ill do better. men keep the tool in the box or get a woman that cant have kids or get the snip! cheaper and less painfull. as for you sick little women that point that gun at mens heads your burning your bridges this will all come to a stop soon. youll get fat on that money. 450 per mont. what a joke. cant afford them let me take them back. ass holes. you know its imoral.
Everyone’s circumstances are different, I had 2 planned kids with my ex (which was more his idea than mine), when my youngest was 5months old, he decided he wanted out…. So I set up contact arrangements (he was on benefit and £130miles away by then) and weekly phone calls to the kids to keep in contact with them, more for eldests sake than anything. He decided to pay Maintanence direct to me, to avoid the CSA, for the first year of the split, got his act together, got a job a new partner then all of a sudden the money stopped. By this time, my son has started swimming lessons and after school activities that were all paid for by him on his decision, Th money went into a bank account set up for my kids to pay for parties, activities etc, so that he knew where the money was going as it was all on direct debits and he recieved the statements. why should he give me the money for my things as I work!
So it’s been like 6 months since he last contacted me or the kids, changed his number so obviously doesn’t want to be found, there is no record of him now working or claiming benefit, is it worth going to the CSA or will they just make things worse? It was OUR decision to have the kids, so far he is non committal now the novelty has worn off but why should the kids Suffer for this?!
I totally agree, women shouldn’t moan about their ex’s not paying kids if they were tricked into being dads in the first place, what do they expect!!
Mothers using there kids as weapons for there own bunnyboiler state of mind because they fucked up, should close the whore house, Hence getting the csa involved to cause the nrp a load of hassle. im glad the nrp’s are fighting back, why should the nrp get fucked over, because the mothers vindictive. Its not about the kid otherwise it would be amicable. Its all about the fist cloak and dagger style. no one wants screwed up bitches roaming the streets looking for there next victim, its about time it was mandatory that the implant contraception was fitted in girls at 8 years old to stop low life scum able to procreate, costing taxpayers.
Whats even better is that women that end up on there own pregnant young, always wish they didnt have the kid, this then turns the mother more bitter towards the ex.
Whats even more funny is if the mother claims a benefit, they calculate what she has been entitled to and gives her the balance, thats what the csa pay from the alleged phantom father, what a joke. so taxpayers pay any way for these kids so leave the phantom fathers and figures alone
I have read through everything with interest. I am the Fiancee of a NRP, his ex has had a house, 3 cars, childcare paid for and £250 per month. She then decided to up and leave with no contact details and a letter saying she wanted him to have nothing to do with their son, (there are doubts to whether he is the father or not) Now she has gone to the CSA, he has tried to contact her and track her down so he can continue seeing the child but had no luck. The CSA today took £230 straight from his wages which actually works out more than 15% of his salary, they took 2 months that he did alot of overtime and callouts. This is not a common thing and his pay is now back down to the usual amount which is around £500 less a month. We have now been left in a position where we do not know how to pay the rent, council tax, utility bills and to provide for his daughter who stays with us for half the week. The CSA have taken nothing into consideration, no outgoings, no expenses for the child that stays with us. Just purely on 2 months pay that was a rarity. We have appealed and heard nothing. How can someone take the child away from the father, reject all money offered and even owe thousands to my fiances Mother and then expect to cripple us to fund her lifestyle??? Oh by the way, she has a history as an alcoholic, told my partner she could not have children and is a deluded nasty bitter person. My fiance did nothing but move on from a loveless relationship to cause the Mother to move away. We are in the process of legal proceedings to obtain her address and to move through the family courts to gain access. We do NOT have an issue with making payment for the child but surely it needs to be done in a fair manner. Not leaving us with no choice but for my partner to give up his job and live off the state. The CSA should be ashamed of themselves and start doing what they should be doing instead of penalising NRPs that are in no way to blame for any of it!!!!
OI MATE IF YA DAY WANNA PAY FOR KIDS, THEN YA SHOULD HAVE PUT SOMTHINK ON THE END OF YA COCK. USE YA BRAIN NOT YA DICK!!!!
PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE NASTY, SELFISH USUALLY LOVE YA MOTHER MORE THEN THE KIDS. WELL I AM A MOM, HAVE A JOB AND TBH WAS WITH A PETTY LITTLE SHIT LIKE YOU. WHY SHOULD WE PAY FOR IT ALL SO YOU CAN GO OUT GET PISSED AND SHOVE YA COCK UP ANY SLAPPER WHO WALKS BY… MAYBE WHEN YA GET AN STI YALL REALISE WHAT AN IDIOT YOU ARE. AND BTW THE MAN WHO CALLED HER A BITCH. LOOK AT YA SELF.. GET HELP!!!!!! JEEEES
KATE- Not being funny yah.. I would never do any of that to my ex. I had his baby and he did not want to move in, he did not want to pay for his little girl. I work too, I buy everything for my daughter. I buy her schooling stuff, and uniform, I buy her food, her heating, her clothes non school, I was on Income support becuase of him lettingme down with child care. He lets me down at the drop of a hat. he works on the side so that he does not have to pay CSA, I gave him 5 years of my life waiting for him to move in. He worked full time lives still with his mom, pays for naff all and get to go out with his new mrs. I would not mind if he gave her money. I dont want his money for me but for his daughter whom tax payers have paid for on and off for about 4 years. It is only since I moved on I have had an ability to work. We are not all like that women. I have bent over backwards for my little girls dad and I get a letter through my mothers doors saying I was still having marital sex with him JULY… we split Easter this year.. And he WOULD NOT move in with me or marry me. I loved him so much and all he ever did was use me. Use my home a break my stuff. CSA need to be there Kate. No they should not take as much of men as they do. It all wrong but my ex pays for nothing, SO ya think that fare?? I aint being love but i feel for ya bloke, how ever some of need the CSA to get men like the bloke above who prob just doesnt want reponsibility. And how ever much ya love this guy he could be filling ya full of shit like my ex does with his new mrs!! I thought my ex was wonderful would have walked over fire for him. He the one who lets his child suffer its me whom spend no time with her bcus I have to work 47 hours a week in a care home. Doind 12 hour shifts with half a day off cus I need the money!! my patner works 16 hours per week because I have the qualies not him. then her dad gets access and sees her 3 says per week more then I see her. All cus he dont pay for her love. HOWD you feel if this was u
Lisa. I agree with there are some evil bitches out there. but you can not dust us all the same. I had to live on doal and I tryed to work. I had to do shifts around night feeds, and her having seizures and being rushed into hospital now she 5 I work 47 house a week to provide for my daughter. He wont as I said in my last peace it women like me who get kicked. I had one child, I was working. We should all have the right to have a child and be a mother Lisa. We arnt all bad. I only took my ex through CSA becuase he thought that 10 pound every no and again was fine.. What about the fact it was him who let me down. I had a shift he said oh well i have work to know all cus he was shagging some girl called sarah at work… I got sacked becuase of him. Then tax payers had to keep me!!
I did it all alone. He went out with his mates, he was shagging other girls. And paying 10 pound ever no and again.
It my daughter whom is the one who does NOT get to see me. He sees her more then me becuase of these shitty parental rights, I would not mind he took me to solicitors all cus I had two weekend to go on holiday. Funny ay how you can slag of Men paying CSA what about the KIDS i doe want my exes money for me. My bab need food, clothes, warmth water. And tbf I had one child I wanted another but I put it on hold until i was working. And becuase of him and the stress he caused I have misscarried. AGAIN ya think thats fare!!!!
ha haa lollllllll bitter women. its been 2 years not paid a penny to csa. just 3 more years to go haa haaaaaaaa
Set up a LTD (limited business) and pay your self a small wage e.I £140. Per week and pay any extra money in the form of expenses-mileage, mob phones,meals while at work etc (these do not have to be declared as earnings!! Because they are not). I had to resort to this when I got pissed off with paying for my son for ten years (I also had him twice a week) and she didn’t get a penny of it because she was a dole dosser!! So I set a company up and they came after me again, I had p60’s from my accountant– they couldn’t touch me!!! As my p60’s stated an annual income of £7200 Me and my current wife nearly cried as we had such a weight lifted off us….. I then proceeded to put a reasonable amount into my sons account each week for his future!!! But I will say this!! I learned my lesson at a young age…. I will never plant my seed in another female again and give her control of my life!! And in affect that’s exactly what they do, if my ex felt I was doing to well, she would ask for a reassessment just to spite me!!!!
So a little update. its Christmas day so happy holidays everyone If youve read my post above well you know ive been paying for “my alleged child” the girl is still my friend but a few weeks back I was sitting with her and the kid and I noticed the dark eyes and redish tint in his hair now my family are predominantly brown and black haired and blue eyes. I got myself a paternity kit, a legal one. I took a swab from his mouth which i feel i had the right to do a swab from mine sent it off for testing…..not the daddy 😀 i felt like fuckin dancing i tell you after ive been so scared of her family and mates telling me to step up n be a dad well screw the lot of you after she told me she had only slept with me in that time frame. Im not a dick so i dont want the money that i had payed for the child that is not mine but il say this guys get a dna test before you pay anything! everybody lies so dont get screwed
Can anyone provide me a copy of CLS102 or point me to where I might be able to find one? Thanks in advance.
Men there is a way u can pay less….
I seriously feel for you men. My boyfriend has spent the last 10 years being completely raped by the CSA and his stupid ex gf. He is so skint he cant afford to heat his house or eat and has 20,000 debt whilst she is spending at least £200 a month on eyelash extetions, hair extentions and nails not to mention the holidays and range rover she drives!!
Totally out of order…but you can now very easily appeal to the CSA about the amount you are paying so instead of it being just flat out 20% of your wages which is what he is paying you send them your pay slip of your monthly earnings and then you list every single out going you have council tax, bills, rent, insurace everything and they have to rework it out of what you have left so now he is paying a 5th of the amount he was paying before!! I do aggree that men should pay for there kids but not that much. I mean the best thing is that now when he see’s them he can afford to spend money on them and take them places..rather than all his money going towards his ex’s new boob job!!
Good luck
I now understand why men kill their kids and their ex
i have paid £40 a week for my son into a bank account set up by his mother for support
he is now 18 and the csa have ruled my £29,000.00 in support is invalid and that the mother has the right to reclaim all 29k again because i paid it to an account in his name , they could ofcourse informed me of this in the last 16 years , but did not
they have ruled this was pocket money ! now i am informed i will have to pay this amount again in full to his mother ( who has already spent the 29k previously) the judge is however on my side but declares his hands tied by law
so off to jail i go tomorrow
please dont judge me to harsh if i loose my sanity and take it out on the mother who now is pushing for the money for a second, because she can
BITCH
child also has the right to a relationship with both their parents – the child’s right not the parents
Ha anyman been threatened by the csa ? i have for not paying £8000 arrears, i have my reasons for not paying and i wont untill the law changes, iv been threatned to have my driving licence took off me for two years, even a prison sentence, whats that going to solve, anyone with similar issues
I would just like to add to my comment sent yesterday,
When me and my ex split after 19 years of marrige i didnt want anything to do with the home they lived in, my choice as i thought in good will my children need a roof over thier heads and they didnt deserve all this crap,
Within two weeks of the split my ex got in touch with the csa saying she had no choice,
Now there was a choice an amical choice ,my ex said she didnt trust me to pay, well after 19 years together she didnt trust me, i question myself many times about that statement she made,
After the 1st year things were sort of ok, after that then came the excuses on the days i was to have my children, now when i say the days i had them 3 hours 1 day a week, is that fair, i dont think so,
Now as time as gone by iv had social workers, cafcass, involved asking my children what the problem was, the answer was our mother dosent want us to see our dad,
Ok the next step was court, it took two years where at that time i never seen my kids, very hard believe me ,
I won the case and i started seeing my children twice a week, by that time i had nowhere to live, no firm foundations where i could have my children, in 6 years my children have never spent 1 night with me,
As this was going on i lost my job due to all the pressure, i was on anti depressents even considered taking my own life,
i now still dont see my children on a regular bases,
I set up a small business 1 year ago , earning arnt great but still i cant afford a place of my own, iv even slept in my van at tempatures -5.6, well you dont sleep you just survive,
As my above thread says thats where i am at at the moment, how can anyone pay what in my case they are asking ,
I have been in touch with 5 local solicitors to try and get legal aid and fight this in court, and out of the five not one will, they do say they can help but i have to pay,
What a joke not being able to get legal aid due to a low income,
My ex has a £130000 house i gave her, goes abroad at least once a year with our 3 kids, work that one out,
As i say as a father i have a duty but under the law of the CSA at the moment i will not give in,
Simon i cant believe what iv just read, that is absolutely disgusting,
Looks like i may be going down the road of prison like you,
Surley there has got to be some help out there for many of us, iv even thought aboiut starting a campaign off my own back, i really dont know where all this is leading right from the early days where i know of men killing themselves because they had no choice, its even crossed my mind to,
sorry but i’m sick of other NRP’s trying to avoid paying the CSA, but i agree its not fair. like other NRP’s i too have been fleeced by the CSA . I have to pay £60 from £295. I travel to 300 miles a week to work so after the csa and fuel i have around £180 left and then have to give my partner £120 for my contribution towards our bills. and whats left is still not all mine, so get the pictue. you should be willing to support your children unless of course the PWC is making access difficult and you should then pay nowt. the trouble with all this these days is one you have split, your ex can go running to the csa for free and your royally fucked. but the state then drags its heels or doesnt provide any support to the NRP. I am effectively prevented from seeing my children, but can not get legal aid as my partners wages are taken into account and we jointly have more than £770 a month left, but you know how these things roll and why should my partners earnings be taken into account when she has no legal connection to my children? judges should be involved especially when there is property in the mix as well(oh yes the ex is living in our house and telling me to leave and not buying me out!!). though i must say i will be applying for a variation form.
@dani, please me more? you actually got the amount reduced to less than 20%?
@dani , again. meant to say please tell me more?
At Susan
If the CSA were fair then why do people try to evade paying? I tell you why it is because the CSA are not fair at all they are a pack of lying thieving low life murdering scum and you coming on here gloating that you assisted in taking someones home. You are nothing more than scum I would not piss in your mouth if your teeth were on fire you oxygen thief and I sincerely hope that you have a very slow and painful grotesque death as I wish that upon all CSA/CMEC staff you are all evil despicable cunts.
You will not be so fucking smug when you have pushed someone too far that they have had enough and decide to take their own lives but also take you horrible cunts with them, it is only a matter of time and you will all deserve what you will it, remember Oklahoma???? well that is what you scum deserve and I will laugh when it happens I would go to the pub and celebrate. It must make you feel so damn good to take everything from someone, were you bullied at school you hideous vindictive bitch? I have no problem paying for my kids but it has to be a reasonable amount and not being forced into poverty so the vindictive bitch of an ex can live the life of luxury, that is why people try to evade paying because it is an unfair system and you thick cunts get a bonus and incentives with targets to meet – it is well known that you scum fabricate evidence tell lies and commit fraud – I prey for a civil war because you cunts would be punished big time! Must make you feel great knowing how despised that you are – all for the cause of lifting children out of poverty. If that was the case why did you pigs get £25 million in bonus’s surely that should have gone towards the alleged impoverished children?
I would pay for tickets to watch you scum being thrown to the lions and crucified
it is only a matter of time before the people who you vile pigs have abused retaliate you will not be so clever then hey?
Susan on July 22nd, 2010 3:03 am
I happen to work for the CSA.
Flint – have you ever heard of the saying that it is better to keep your mouth shut and have the world think you are an idiot than to open it and confirm everybody’s suspicions?
As regards working without paying – we will catch up with you in the end. And then you will have to pay. Before you say that debts can’t be enforced after 6 years – wrong – this debt will go to your estate once you die.
House seizures are a reality now – not a myth. I know that because I made a referral for one which was taken.
As for self employed directors who claim minimum wage PAYE and then pay themselves in dividends to avoid paying maintenance – you will have a rather nasty shock when there is a massive bill sent your way following a variation or departure for dividend income and/or lifestyle inconsistencies.
My best result so far? A gentleman who claimed he earned not a penny but paperwork summoned from his accountant including his tax return showed he earned over £50,000 a year. What happened to him? He’s now got a criminal record.
The fact is that we attempt to be fair, but if there is deliberate avoidance then there is every reason for hardball treatment.
So, flint, be ready for that knock on the door from the bailiffs.
Derek thats where its all wrong, if you have a new partner why shud her money or the circumstances change, as you said above you are sick on the NRP not paying, same here, what gets me is the system where the woman get 99% of the rights and you have none, Iv had a couple of friends take thier own lives because of how it works, so the children have no father at the end and the mother will get nothing,
So where does it all go from here, who and how many NRP are gonna make a stand, fathers for justice dosent even or seem not to have an impact on change,
so what next,
Guys,
Play by the rules. Tell the CSA what you earn but ALSO what you have to PAY!! Your pension counts as exempt earning as well as rent and mortgage interest, travel to work, kids now living with you etc. The higher the exempt earnings the less you pay. When you get that, a wee cash in hand part time job like, window cleaning, Bouncer/security work or TAXI DRIVER helps raise income and the CSA still take between 20 and 30% of your un-protetced income only. In short you play by the rules and screw the CSA too.
A message to all the PWC, ladies and gents who work, fair play, let the NRP have contact and be civil. To the scrounger (shameless) parent, GET A JOB!!!!!!
To Simon Fox,
Does your MP know about your plight? Get your solicitor on to the Eurpoean Court of Human Rights. That’s a disgusting way for your Ex and the CMEC to act. Looks like Hitler and the Nazi party are alive and kicking in the UK! CSA\CMEC needs to be disbanded, its a grossly ineffective and incompetant bunch of twats. Typical Civil Servants, sack them all.
I wouldn’t pay the £29k neither. Try a trip to the Republic of Ireland, your out of the UK’s jurisdiction and therefore, no CSA\CMEC.
Best of luck.
I have a question,
How is it that an NRP who had children before 2001 has no parental rights over his children yet still in the eyes of the law has to pay excessively high payments to the CSA. I have no say with regards to my children, my ex refuses to allow my parental responsibilities. I went to see a solicitor and had the documents sent out, she tore them up. Yet I am expected to pay her money to bring the kids round (£70 a time) pay for xmas presents, birthday presents, while trying to take care of my new partner and her 3 children and my unborn child. In the mean time my ex wants me to have nothing to do with my children. She has two holidays a year, the kids get xmas presents like 32 inch HD tv’s with freeview each, ps3’s etc… plus has two cars, one’s hers and the other is her new husbands. I mean it’s a sick society we live in. I don’t see why I should have to pay for children that legally I have no rights with. The law says I have no parental responsibilities over the children, so I should not have to pay HER anything. why can I not put any money for their upkeep into a separate bank account that has to be spent on them for the things they NEED or want. IE: their clothes, there shoes etc etc NOT her holidays or clothes or nights on the drink….
In my eyes the law has double standards, on one hand they say I have NO parental responsibilities but on the other hand say I do have a parental responsibility to pay money for their upkeep. I either have parental responsibilities or I don’t which is it
Basically if you are a man you have no rights whats so ever, woman have the law on thier sides no matter whether its the csa or anything else, the csa has really come down on human rights, mens human rights, two of my close friends have took thier own lives not because they didnt pay because they had no rights to seeing thier children, great isnt it, if you killed another human being you could plea insanity and mental unstableness, you would get better treated by society and the authorities, so to any good father out there keep sending birthday and xmas cards, and if you can afford a mobile phone buy them one, one good way to stay in contact until the day comes when they are old enough your can turn the tables around and believe me the mother will have regrets until the day they die, so to all nast vindictive females rot in hell coz it will come,
I see people are looking for the CSL 102 here is the whole lot of em http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20060213205517/csa.gov.uk/new/leaflets/
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20060213205517/http://csa.gov.uk/pdf/english/leaflets/new/CSL102.pdf
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20060213205517/http://csa.gov.uk/pdf/english/leaflets/new/CSL101.pdf
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20060213205517/http://csa.gov.uk/pdf/english/leaflets/new/CSL108.pdf
Here you go guys fill yer boots I would download them ASAP
can any 1 help im up at court on tue 31st jan for non payment the reason for not paying is since 2006 the csa have witheld information as to the whereabouts of mother/child so i can get a dna test. in my eyes im not paying a rip off gouverment run scam untill i know the truth the letter i have states that this date in court is to revoke my licence or send me down for up to 6 weeks how can they do this if im not known as the father surley a judge cant do any of the above untill it is proven im the dad this was after a 1 night stand and the 1st i heard of it was a letter from the csa 2 years after the child was born might i add to this i now hae 3 children at home with me and i provide the best i can they all go to school dressed smart and always have tea on the table thanks to my hard work so why should i take off them to give to a unknown child
some advice please ppl
pfft…this is a riot…take it from my side.
if i ever ever EVER had the audacity to father a child and try and wriggle out of it and be proud of doing so id be disgusted with myself.
my story,,,my ex was with a guy who for lack of a better word was a waster,pub pub pub…fine when there is no kids involved but he couldnt change his ways.
tried the blackmail and she called his bluff…played the sympathy card and it didnt work.was even charged with abuse and restricted bail conditions when he started getting out of line.
he has never been refused to see his son but my wife and i have struggled and scraped every single day to get us a new house,provide everything for our son and daughter btw…and the NRP man(not even good enough to be a father) has holidayed abroad and splashed on new phones…even gets a taxi to colect him and drop him off every week (£30 return at the least) but will not pay CSA. most of you will scream about hes saving money for him and will do it himself so the mother doesnt get…maybe so but brass tax is that that will not help provide for him NOW..it wont cloth him NOW…it wont keep the rain off him NOW.
he calls me daddy…and him…he gained that right by being there at the correct time and place…i gained it by working my arse off and teaching him all the politeness he has now…by getting up at 2am and feeding him when he was young.
He was even asked just provide necesary goods like nappies/clothes/food and so on NOT EVEN CASH…too stubborn AND stupid to take that offer.so the CSA was the only option.ignored them for 6 months and had to backdate the money to over £1000…quit his job and went to college…he then made up the story it was for better life for HIS(ha!) son…were is he now?…quit college due to the booze and back working in a rotten little bar in the city centre.
people like him need round up and shot…and anyone who thinks its glamorous to follow suit…NEVER ever have a child and think you should have rights…those rights are financial aswell as emotional.
a very brief insight as to y i think this is disgusting…and nothing more than a bunch of cowards looking for a get out!
ps doesnt necesarily mean all you guys…some people are wrongly accused of fathering children BUT the rest of you should hang your bloody heads in shame!
Good point but just another sad and unnecessary story, as you pointed out not aimed at everyone, but a right to speak your mind is a must,
My kids dont even called me dad or even acknowledge me as a father,
Do you know how much that hurts,
I agree those who try and get out of it shud be hung, im not one of them , i now pay the csa a payment of so much, i wont go into how much because i think thats personal, i didnt pay at one point and refused because of the system on how the mother has all rights and the father from my experience has none,
Again we are all individual cases but are tarnished with the same brush,
As an honest father and one that loves his kids take this into account, iv still got nowhere to call my home after 6 years seperation from my wife, not once have my kids spent one nite with me because i have no money to rent or support myself to a degree where i can get a firm foundation for myself to see and have my kids stay with me,
What a great law we have in this country for NRP,
Everyone’s circumstances are different I have always paid my way – it was the first thing I done when I split was to make sure money was paid for the children – then wham the ex goes to the CSA and gets them involved. They demanded far more money than I could ever afford as I was left to pay off all of the debt etc. I am fed up of being used as a cash point machine and the children used as cash cows it is not on!
well dooms day tomorrow any advice on the post above …………….
ash/daro not every man tries to avoid it but if you read my post above then you should understand the point of my case if there is no proof of me bein the father after a 1 night stand (would you pay) because im sure as hell not until that judge orders a dna test the csa wont see a penny well not of my hard earned cash i have 3 lovley kids who all live with me im gonna spend that hard earned cash on them…..
gman,
Crikey, this is all a bit last minute…
The CSA should not/are unable due to the Data Protect Act to give the whereabouts of mother/child.
Initially the CSA should have been given you the opportunity to dispute parentage.
Did they?
There are certain circumstances in which they assume parentage.
You could force the issue through the court privately, as long as you use a csa recognised dna testing centre.
chall ~ afairercsaforall
gman i agree with you, i wouldnt pay a penny untill the tests confirm you are the father, as iv said before woman have 99% of the rights, you as a father have very little, like in all cases were u put it you are guilty untill proven not, but i stand with you get the dna results then be a good father if you can, its not always easy to pick up the pieces and its bloody not easy to get on your feet as a single man again, i lived out the back of my van for months in -5 tempatures, did anyone give a f–k, no they didnt, so i am a bit hard when it comes to rights for woman and none for men, all i can say is good luck to all us men who are honest and are prepared to support your child/ children,
Also fathers for justice does not seem to address this issue unless you join the site and pay, in my case after work i havent got a penny left to buy myself a pint, hows that for living,
i agree its ridiculous when they come after people totally unaware…it has happened to a member of my family…and it is a NIGHTMARE.
but point in question…these people who brag all the rights but fail to address the financial ones are cowards (said man in previous)
what drove me insane was every turn his line was-”im his father…hes my son” but only really when it suited him.
it suited him to spill that sentence when he decided he wanted him and wanted to take him somewhere but when any mention of looking after him financially…that line was nowhere to be heard.
good luck…if your not the father…itll be proven! 🙂
I’ve read through many of the posts above and some are good and some are complete crap. If you are a man that has left the relationship then that is fine, but you chose to sleep with this person and you are responsible for your child in some way too. I have been struggling for 2 and a half years now, I haven’t received a penny from my ex. He had the affair, he was the bully and it is him that has done wrong, not I. Why do we have to suffer so much? He has a new house and car and no responsibilities, he goes out when he wants and enjoys his life to the full.. I feel like I’m in a cage, I love my children dearly but it’s just not fair what some of you guys are saying… 😛
And “ASH” sometimes I don’t have enough money to buy a loaf of bread!!! How’s that for a living??? GOD, where do some of you guys get your brains from.
“Don’t make a baby if you can’t be a father.” and your children need your presence more than your presents. NOT A PINT!!!
I’d also like to point out that while there might be many women out there like you’ve described, there are also educated genuine women like myself!! As there are men too.. Unfortunately I didn’t meet one of those!! Hahahaha.. lol
thanks ash just a quick update today 31/01 i did get my day in court it only took 6 years of pushing the csa in the end it took me ignoring them to get this reaction and people beware these so called humans do make up evidence to make you the NRP look like a total cunt but this time the kind judge did see my point he put it off for 6 weeks and give the csa a court order to obtain a DNA test which i will be doing as i aint no coward lets just hope the so called mother sees sense and does her side so this can all be put to bed and let me get on with my life and also to all those people on here just here to cause shit and give abuse i will pay my way but as said above only when it is proven in court
and thanks again ash i wish you all the best keep me updated on the scumbags
Gman
chall sorry overlooked your post this has been going on for 6 years now and yes a dna test has been asked for every 6-8 months today in court they made a whole load of shit up but as luck had it i did have my own evidence i.e proof of postage photo copies and such like (PLEASE PEOPLE NEVER USE A PHONE ALWAYS SEND LETTERS RECORDED MAIL ALONG WITH A COPY OF WHAT IS SENT) so as said above i did try & try & try and fell flat on my face but now i may just be getting 1 step closer to the truth but i will keep people informed and if i can help anyone i will as the csa are doing a grand job of recking peoples lives and these people mainly NRP have nowhere to turn
best of luck people
Gman
Gman,
I’m pleased to read that the you have managed to gain a DNA test.
If the PWC refuses the test, the CSA should close the case.
Should the DNA test proves you to be the child’s father, I’m sure you realise that the effective date for your case will be when the agency first made contact with you, in which case you will need to ensure that the calculation is correct and the children that reside in your household have been taken into consideration.
However, if the DNA proves you are not and the agency had insufficient grounds to assume parentage (see link http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Parents/ChildMaintenance/IfyourealreadyusingtheChildSupportAgency/DG_199107 ), you could maybe consider seeking redress from them.
Good luck, let us know how you get on.
chall ~ afairercsaforall
Tiptaptoe, what are you picking me up on i quote cant even afford a pint,
I was just making a statement so stick to the issues in question,
I was just saying what i have to pay out and what is left, fuckall,
Does a man have no right to a life whether he left thru fault of his or his wife,
As i did say many quotes above i gave my ex a house worth over £100.000 simply because i love my children and they had no say into why me and thier mother split, thats between the two of us,
My children deserve the world as far as i am concerned but so does my ex wife and me, isnt it enough that a man has to start a new life to, or is that from a womans point of view not allowed,
Everyone circumstances are different and i was with my wife for 19 years so what does that tell you,
After i left and that wasnt for another woman i got called unfit father and a bad husband, Mmm but i was the sweetish man in her life when i was bringing in the money,
You seemed to me to be another bitter and twisted female who really has no idea about other circumstances but your own,
Tell you what i,ll do, i,ll take the easy option and go and commit suicide just like a couple of my mates did in similar circumstances as mine,