All I’ve ever asked for was to be treated fairly
Well I dont know if this is a common story or not but here goes….
I have always been upfront with the CSA and met my responsibilities even though my ex stole money from me when she left. When the CSA got in contact with me just before Xmas 7 years ago when we separated, they saw I had another case with my older daughter…Me and my ex-wife had come to an agreement, the CSA was advised of this and they told me to close the case since we had an agreement.
Well this was the wrong information they gave me, they should have kept this case open and noted it down as being paid direct and not through the CSA, this would have meant I would be paying 10% of my wage for my son instead of 15% which they take. Well as soon as they contacted me to reassess, I complained about this and they said yes it was their fault. This has cost me just under £4000 over this time, but the CSA told me they could not get this money back for me and paid me £50 due to their error.
How can this be?? Anyone understand how this is fair? This is money that I should have to spend on my kids, take them holidays or even spend on myself. At the moment this is at appeal though they are adamant that they are not going to pay me, so looks like court to reclaim it at more cost which will probably be passed onto the taxpayer as they cant rectify this error that they made.
If I didnt pay this money I would have my wages arrested and the final insult…I got a raise in my job and they are making me pay more money backdated which is the ultimate insult as my payment would still be less than my original payment if they had given me the correct advice to start…great British justice strikes again.
I know there are a lot of deadbeat dads out there but when things like this happen I understand how some people who are living on the poverty line can walk away and get money in hand for jobs and pay nothing….all I’ve ever asked for was to be treated fairly and it has not been the case with me.
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How to Spot a Pathological Liar
The term, “liar, liar pants on fire” takes on new meaning when dealing with a pathological liar. This person may not be completely rooted in reality, believing the lies they tell, often in an effort to remedy low self esteem. Unlike telling a few fibs here and there, or slightly exaggerating the truth once in a while, the pathological liar lies about literally every aspect of his or her life. From how much was spent on dinner last night to talking about the last time the dog was bathed, the pathological liar feels that every bit of communication has strategic meaning positioned for his or her gain.
Being lied to on a consistent basis is not only frustrating but also disrespectful to the other person. So how do you determine if you’re dealing with someone who may drop a few fibs on occasion versus a true pathological liar? A few clues and steps may help you draw a sensible conclusion
Understand what a pathological liar is. Basically, a pathological liar is someone who tells lies habitually, chronically and compulsively. It has simply become a way of life for this person, to make up things for a variety of reasons and eventually, the truth becomes uncomfortable while weaving whoppers feels right to them. This kind of lying tends to develop early on in life, often as a response to difficult home or school situations that seemed to resolve better if the child lied. It’s a bad habit, not a manipulative trait––this is how to differentiate a pathological liar from a sociopath who does seek to manipulate.
Determine whether the person’s details and information comes across as consistent every time they tell a story. Find an easy, run-of-the-mill story, such as what the person had for dinner last night. They may tell you pasta and broccoli, but then may tell you and/or others that lobster and champagne was involved. Details and information will constantly change and evolve. Compare and contrast both big and small details. From the number of people in the liar’s story to the actual storyline itself, recall what has changed and how often the details have changed in the story.
Keep tally of the cast of characters involved in the story. If, for example, suddenly the third time the story is told, the cops show up, you have to start wondering if he or she is telling the full truth.
Recall the frequency of the lies. Pathological liars will lie consistently, which is one thing you can count on––they will lie all the time. Conduct a non-scientific experiment and inquire about certain aspects of the person’s life everyday. Choose something random like what the person ate for dinner or watched on TV the evening before. Ask the person the same question throughout the day to see if it changes––play into the lie by either getting excited or showing intrigue when the person embellishes the story. Don’t give away that you’ve heard a different answer before.
Compare stories with mutual friends of both you and the person you suspect of being a pathological liar, to determine if the story has changed or reshaped to accommodate certain personalities. Certain details may be morphed to create drama or draw attention to the liar. Trying to pit friends/family members against each other. If the liar was involved in an argument he or she may change the details so that he or she looks better. Also, he or she may involve other parties, making up information about the other party in order to get more people on his or her side.
Trying to avoid trouble. If the liar has done something wrong, he or she will do whatever is necessary to avoid blame––that means fabricating a story and/or pinning culpability on another person.
Fabricating a lie in order to gain attention. The main goal with many pathological liars is to gain positive notoriety. From being bored to having low self esteem, the pathological liar’s goal is to look better than everyone else, so that people pay attention and worship their accomplishments.
Consider whether the person is lying to gain attention. Part of the reason the pathological liar feels compelled to lie is because he or she may feel as though being in the spotlight has eluded them. This person feels that he or she should be the center of everyone’s universe and will do what he or she can to make it happen. Upon tasting the spotlight, it becomes self-reinforcing and the lies grow bigger each time just to keep on being the center of attention. Here are some possibilities: Sympathy attention. The pathological liar feels that his or her problems are paramount to what everyone else is experiencing. From a paper cut to being admonished by a boss or teacher, the pathological liar runs around telling his or her story to anyone and everyone, exaggerating the details to ridiculous proportions in order to gain sympathy from anyone within earshot.
Wants to feel important. The pathological liar is the king or queen of the “one upper.” Whatever accomplishment you’ve achieved, they done it better. This person always has to feel superior to you at all times, no matter if it’s in the professional or personal arena.
Feels bored. Unfortunately, because this person’s life is not rooted in reality, he or she may become easily bored if drama is not swirling around his or her head. As a result, lies may be fabricated in order to amuse or entertain this person, which unfortunately means that other people become involved and possibly hurt as a result.
Insecurity. Low self esteem is one of the biggest reasons why people become pathological liars. Whether they consciously recognize it or not, a pathological liar feels that he or she is not important enough as they are so they must make up accomplishments or events to position themselves as worthy.
Look to whether the person has an addiction or secret habits that are potentially harmful. Pathological lying can arise in tandem with wanting to hide an alcoholic or drug addiction, an obsession with doing something too much such as spending time online or gaming, or in relation to a medical condition such as bulimia or anorexia. Therapy, group counseling and other professional interventions are important for such people but it may help you to better understand such lying if you know about the motivation behind it. Part of the therapy needs to address compulsive lying. A compulsive liar can be changed.
There may be other personality disorders at issue, such as narcissistic personality disorder, bipolar disorder or borderline personality disorder.
Examine the person’s reaction when they’re busted in a lie. The worst thing that can happen to a pathological liar is to be busted for telling the lie. Extreme defensiveness. Expect the person to become extremely defensive, doing whatever he or she can to pin blame on someone else.
Quickly fabricating another lie to cover up the original fib. The pathological liar will start the cover-up process quickly to ensure that their reputation remains in tact. This may include a bigger lie than the original fib––which may be quite apparent.
Vindictive and may seek revenge. Rage and anger may be another reaction stemming from being “outed”, so expect possible retaliation or vindictive behavior. Alternatively, they may feel upset that they have been caught in the act by someone who cares for them and have a tearful meltdown.
Determine if the person lives in reality. The pathological liar is one who typically does not live in reality and has trouble maintaining any consistency in his or her life. Some signs include: Wandering from job to job. He or she may not be able to hold down a job for a long amount of time due to either being busted for lying or not being able to handle day-to-day mundane tasks because of bluffing their way into the job.
Can’t hold a steady relationship. Romantic and interpersonal relationships often fail––this person will typically have a love of his or her life or a best friend for a few months and then will suddenly no longer have contact with that person. Between lies and unrealistic expectations, the pathological liar can often attract a bevy of new relationships but has trouble maintaining them.
May be estranged from family. After years of being lied to, family members may not be very supportive or close to this individual.
Thanks for the support guys and Pete…. Your profile of Alice is spot on…. However, she is, on this occasion correct when she says that the Case was open by the NRP in this instance… I was too quick to jump down her throat because she usually interprets OPs posts with the ‘my bonus’ slant, however and don’t mind admitting when I’m wrong… A pity Alice can’t do the same lol lol as a CSA worker, she would never admit to being wrong, even though someone corrects her on almost every post she makes…. Lol lol
I appreciate that the CSA rules say that whomever opens the case can close the case but in reality the NRP still has NO RIGHTS because, as soon as he/she closes the case, the CSA member of staff will only go to the PWC and tell them that they will “get them more money if they use the CSA”… Either way the NRP will lose out….
@ Alice… Re-read my post lol lol I didn’t call you thick, I called your colleagues thickwits!!! To me you are disgusting…. You knowingly and willingly provide selective information and have absolutely no regard for the families your ‘information/advice’ destroys…. All you are interested in is your bonus…. Not one person on this website praises you… Everyone comes to the same conclusion about you, but as Petes comment says
“Wants to feel important. The pathological liar is the king or queen of the “one upper.” Whatever accomplishment you’ve achieved, they done it better. This person always has to feel superior to you at all times, no matter if it’s in the professional or personal arena.
This is to the detriment of NRPs ……
Just to clarify…………………IF the NRP opens up a case, then the NRP CAN close the case.
Now whether or not the PWC is advised to re-open the case by the CSA is ultimately the choice of the PWC and not the CSA,
As to the whether or not the ‘advice’ given by Alice is welcomed or not, it does appear to me that the ‘advice’ given bears relevance to the questions being asked.
@ Jo – in general most NRP applications are superceded by PWC apps, but not all … so there are cases out there that NRPs can close
Sally- once again you make assumptions about me – you, along with others continue to assume that the most important thing to me is getting my annual bonus, or as you have put it on several times is that I rely on my bonus … just out of curiosity would you like to say what the actual bonus paid to a case officer is annually?
I’m sure you will all decide not to believe this but in the years that I do actually get a bonus (and NO it is not guaranteed and there are years that there have been no bonuses paid) I actually donate 75% of it between 2 charities …in the last few years I’ve split my donations 50/50 between Help For Heros and and a local Children’s hospital
As to being selective with my information – I will answer the questions asked realistically, I will not give false hope to someone by saying if they complain their case will be back-dated/closed down/re-assessed/travel costs deducted from salary etc – I will not predict what may or may not happen in the future – I do not assume all NRPs are trying to dodge paying for their children – I equally do not assume that all PWCs are money grabbing lying bitches. If a PWc states that an NRP owes them money, technically this is true, the money is payable to the PWC to help support the children, it is not owed to the children – unless of course it is a Child In Scotland Case. At the end of the day none of the people on this forum know anything about me other than my job, but many of you consider it acceptable to be very insulting, some resort to name calling and the latest is to compare me to a street prostitute … if I was to make such comments about any of you I am sure you would all be horrified and start complaining that a CSA employee does not treat people with respect … double standards once again springs to mind!
Alice
The above comment makes you sound like the Virgin Mary , I give all my bonus to a charities !why don’t you whistle blow ? Why not the real reason is you want more money for charity ha ha line you own pockets more like it 🙂
Alice
If you whistle blow on the Csa I am am a man of my word and and I have payed for my kids for years never missed a pymemt ,if you whistle blow on the Csa I will donate 1000 quid to help for heroes !!!!! It’s my word !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ Macon – the comment about donating bonus money to charity was not made to make me sound like the Virgin Mary – I have personal reasons for donating to charities, those reasons I will not go into as they are of no consequence to anything that is posted on here – the reason I posted was to perhaps put an end to the constant comments about me trying to drum up business for my own personal financial gain (despite the fact that bonuses are not based on what payments we secure) or that I rely on my bonus.
I, like any employee of any company, agency or organisation, can see issues at work where things are not done correctly – and as I previously stated I do challenge, I have reported colleagues who I have known to be rude, I have been known to point out where processes are not working and if possible offer suggestions as to how things could be worked better. I have stated on here that regardless personal opinions on whether something is morally right or wrong there are a lot of things that a case worker cannot decide to change – the calculations, case closure dates, eligibility of a QC etc must be worked in accordance to the legislation, this must be adhered to, it is not the choice of the case worker, the team manager, the complaints team or even an individual MP.
Yes – if you consider something to be wrong with the legislation lobby your MP, they are the ones who can lobby Parliament to change the legislation.
When an agency is bound to a legislation there is never going to be a formula that suits everyone, if there is anyone reading this forum who can offer the perfect solution that would make everyone happy then I would gladly shake that person’s hand.
Human nature being what it is then those who are in a situation will focus on what they see as unfair to them but don’t see the things that are to their advantage.
Take, for example the contentious issues of CTC being used as part of NRPs income versus the fact that an NRP getting a ROC allowance for his current partner’s children
A case I worked on – NRPP was very unhappy that CTC paid for her 4 children from previous relationships was included as income for NRP when assessing maintenance payable for the NRP’s 1 daughter but she was happy to accept that he got an allowance for her children
the maths of the cases were (approx)
NRP earned income – £335 – without ROC allowance and based only on NRP earned income the weekly maintenance payable for this NRP’s biological child would be £50 per week
NRP earned income less ROC allowance @ 25% (£83.75) brings the assessible income down to £251.25, so this would reduce the maintenance paid for his child to £38.
NRP earned income £335 + CTC paid to NRPP @ £73.50 per week makes NRP total income £408.50 – from this he gets 25% ROC allowance (£102.13) thus reducing his assessible income to £306.37 – so 15% of that for his biological child was £46
the NRPP received CM for all 4 of her children, she had a part time job in conjunction with school hours so there was no child care costs involved, she received CHB for 4 children – none of which were included as household income
the PWC worked full time and paid childcare costs, she did not have a partner, she received less CTC and no WTC but did get CHB
NRP and NRPP feel it is unfair to take her CTC as part of his income – PWC thinks it’s unfair that he gets an allowance for someone else’s kids and as such his own child is worth less … who is right?
Alice all very well but how about commenting on avenues open to NRP’s who feel a bad decision has been made. You just quote rules and legislation in a basic form,
You NEVER point the way forward toeards seeking redress and complaints, no need to promise success with it but you need to be aware you avoid the errors staff make, 50,000 cases in 5 years and 17 million of tax payers money wasted by poor CSA decision making.
Time you accepted all is not legally done at the CSA.
Well then Alice why don’t you and if they’re are any decent caring CSA staff out there, either find another job or go on strike for a day. You yourself come on this site most days and from reading the horror stories/comments, you must agree that CSA legislation stinks. Some NRP’s are on CSA1,others CSA2 and now CSA3 is being phased in. Just think of the chaos that will cause, especially as the CSA’s multi million pound computer system always seems to be slow or down.
If you and your colleagues had a day’s strike, it would be a wake up call to your CEO’S and the government that CSA law is not workable and urgently needs reforming.
Just think the respect the CSA staff would get from the thousands of NRP’S and PWC’s whose lives and second families have been destroyed by the CSA.
However you and your colleagues must think the CSA system is working well, as no doubt your reaching your targets.
TO REACH YOUR TARGETS YOUR TARGETTING THE NRP’s WHO ARE ALREADY PAYING, MAKING UP FICTICIOUS ARREARS AND TAKING 40% OF THEIR NET PAY EVERY MONTH.
a 1 day strike from csa staff is not going to get the legislation changed, and without the backing of the union (which would never happen) it be an illegal strike which could result in the dismissal of all who took part … personally I feel that there are flaws, and as I have said there are things that I have challenged
@ alice, I agree that allowances are made for an nrpp’s children, but what does piss nrp’s and their partners off is that a pwc gets all the benefits that they are entitled to on top of their maintenance, an nrp in most cases does not, plus if a partner was to move in with the pwc their income doesn’t count….that’s where the unfairness lies and where there will always be conflict, least on cs1 all circumstances were looked at.
Alice on June 2nd, 2013 10:40 am
a 1 day strike from csa staff is not going to get the legislation changed, and without the backing of the union (which would never happen) it be an illegal strike which could result in the dismissal of all who took part … personally I feel that there are flaws, and as I have said there are things that I have challenged
So you know it is flawed yet are happy to avoid pointing people in the direction of;
Data files, ICE, Ombudsman, complaint and appeal? Why having said all the above do you fail in this area? The CSA will take the most compliant person and turn them destitute and full of rage, make them lose contact with their children and force them out of work and onto the breadline, it not what the kids want that counts with you, Yet you come on here daily and say how great the CSA is and that legislation is to blame, Alice it is the CSA interpretation of it that is to blame, 50,000 cases were awarde compensation, at £50 for a thousand pound error that the NRP will never see again it is a serious case of pure fraud when you get it wrong.
And by the way Alice a one day strike once a week would get the legislation changed and would also stop the media blackout you have, If all above board why is this in place?
Did you strike today Alice or did you break the picket line? #daysarenumbered
Oh well Alice. it was only a suggestion, about the one day strike. I didn’t expect a positive response.
However I was wondering when future CSA employee’s apply for the post have they any idea they’re about to work for such a vile corrupt organisation that targets the PAYE NRP’s who are already paying maintenance every month ? Or do they think are going after the absent NRP’s, that have played every trick in the book to avoid paying maintenance, which is what the CSA was set up for ?
What sort of questions were you asked on your interview board when you applied for the post ?
CSA interview
Can you count? NO
Can you tell the truth? NO
You got the job!!!
@ Stuart, a man after my own heart,
@ Alice since you have been on strike today and most of the cronies i mean colleagues of yours havent been working, any chance of you joining us to blow the whistle, you know you want to, after taking such a hateful approach to me and admitting you didt like me for no reason was about as pathetic as your job,
Do us all a favour and get the place closed down, you claim to be so good at your job maybe taking a career turn into robbing banks instead of people might be wise!!!!!!!
Alice the whistle blower on the corrupt CSA surely a better legacy for you than the one you currently have. Come on Alice leave the dark side and walk towards the light
Watchdog really needs to do another prgramme this time on theiving CSA workers and the antics of CSA staff now we have numerous recordings of many staff telling lies and encouraging fraud
Oh the recordings I have will show either Head of CSA complaints or the Customer Service Director have lied, waiting for one of them to admit who? No wonder the staff are shit if this is the example of two of the top women at the CSA, mugs
As I have said there are flaws, but equally I see that there are many areas in the CSA which do work well. I challenge internally as do many of my colleagues – some issues in the way staff work have been resolved due to colleague feedback – issues with the legislation are down to MPs
As I have stated on here and in other groups the task of coming up with a legislation which would work 100% for every single person is an impossible on.
Without re-hashing the old arguement Lisa, I never once stated that I did not like you for no good reason – I stated I did not like you due to your spiteful comments and the fact that not only did you steal material written by me and uploaded to another site, when challenged about it you lied and claimed that the material was compiled by you using information from various sites, both of us know that was a bare faced lie.
Alice the flaws are far to many and to keep blaming legislation is nonsense, Why was £17 Million paid out why does ICE and Ombudsman keep getting year long waiting lists? Because the staff at the CSA interpret the legislation wrong. So the CSA have to use tax payers money to compensate, Really really of line with this Alice you still should explain why you fail to direct posters to these avenues of redress? Is that deliberate or just absent mindedly blaming the legislation and ignoring the Law?
It has loads of flaws and for the number of people employed by the government for this it would be much easier to work with the legislation but also see what people are paying out for…meals for the kids in question etc and reduce the payments as necessary….it isnt rocket science.
The Parent with care who gets benefits should not be getting handouts from the non resident person either if they have the kids about the same time and it should be taken into account that the NRP has to supply clothes and everything else for the kid and not just punish them for not being there….be it their fault or not. I have my son over 130 nights and get the amount reduced by very little, this is so unfair as I have the same outgoings for supplying a house, heating it and clothing, feeding and having fun with my kids as my ex does….I am waiting for an appeal date though they have told me it will not be within the time limits it states in their legislation.
I have also applied for financial redress for the money thier information has cost me….yes it will cost the taxpayer but I have contributed since I left college/university and have always paid for my kids but struggle to give them the holidays, clothing and decent food due to the ridiculous monies I am made to pay.
The flaws in the system cause the taxpayer to foot a bill which is out of control….if you are paid £50 for a mistake they have made you shouldnt have to threaten to take them to court o have to seriously reduce both your own and childs living standards when they are with you. My ex works in a decent job too, so she should not be allowed to claim CSA due to the time we both have our son…this is ridiculous and as for having to pay for the CSA from next April…..I see a lot more money wasted by the government as there will be loads more claims against them for their poor management of cases as people will be paying and will not let little things go as easily.
It is definitely time for this to get sorted out properly…as has been said before..Thatcher championed the idea, major enforced it and Blair and Brown made some changes (some of which were helpful as it was originally 30%). I remember professional people like firemen living in tents because they couldnt afford a house due to the CSA and also people killing themselves…thanks goodness it aint as bad as that BUT it needs sorted so that it is FAIR, if nothing else.
I am sure lots of people on here have their own stories but mine shows unfairness in a few ways which can be read from previous posts above…is it working??? NO
David and Alice the real problem is all cases are different and the Government and CSA can not get their heads round this, If I see my kids how do you explain you can not afford to treat them as Mum has taken all your cash and CSA errors have put you in debt? If there is No fair way and it costs the taxpayer a fortune bin the whole idea they never will catch the deadbeat dads as they were set up to do and have placed a whole generation of kids into poverty by penalising the decent compliant Dads to amke up the shortfall. Time for it to close and the staff who caused the issues deserve Jail as it is pure fraud the way they operate.
@ Alice, I would never “steal” anybodies material, nor did i ever read any of yours, this “material” was given to me by a friend who also hates the CSA and used to be on your PWC group, Now an apology wouldt go a miss, all i did was share the information provided to me that would help other people to get out of shitty situations they had been put in by people like you, now i suggest you wind your neck in or your identity will be revealed, im not having anymore of your vile shite spouted about me on a public forum, i dont know who you seem to think you are!!!!!
Just because you work for CSA doesnt mean your above the law,
ok- clarification – the material was not compiled by you using material from various websites, it was supplied by a friend – so you lied about where the material came from, and it was your friend who stole the document..
It wasnt actually stolen though was it alice, it was there for people to read and share if they saw fit? in that instance i rest my case!!! clarification you actually stole the information from your employers, you gave it to women who you helped behind closed doors to persue there ex partners for greed and financial gain, when will you ever admit the place you work for is so corrupt your talking and acting like a damn robot!!!!!!
Alice if you post something on the web is it not a bit niaive and silly to get upset if it gets used, or are you upset it has been used to help a NRP? I think you have shown how you roll and best let it go as Lisa has every right to defend herself as have you but the motives are different from where I sit.
@ Alice, Who cares where the information came from, were using it to our advantage now and helping ourselves get back at this parasite agency for robbing us f our money and time with our children, Its public knowledge you tell the PWC less access means more money, we wont be beaten by robots who only care about how much bigger there wage packet becomes when the people your taking from (DEO) is actually paying your wages, yes the tax payer pays your wages, you also have a civil servant conduct, maybe read it, you might learn something, oh and something else, we human beings are not gonig to be used as cash cows no more, were fighting back and we will expose the CSA for what it is
So why bother to lie in the first place and say, when challenged about the origin of the document, that you had complied it using information gathered from various sites on the internet?
the purpose me writing the document in the first place was to assist NRP’s who were being named as biological parents of children for the purposes of obtaining maintenance when paternity was under question … so, in a nutshell there goes your theory of me only ever wanting to help PWCs
Alice a CSA Employee complaining that someone has lied do you see the irony there?
You still do not answer why you fail to point people in the direction of appeals/complaints Data Files etc?
And Alice did you strike yesterday? Conditions at the CSA too much for the staff?
I get the impression it is going to get a lot worse in the coming months as the ivory tower is starting to crumble.
Funny you should say that alice, because you were/are still helping PWC within the facebook group to help there cases along, this is all for financial greed/gain, you should know by now its against company policy to push a PWC to open/push along a case for financial gain and greed, whose breaking all the rules in the book, oh and by posting answers like yours your only making yourself look more stupid, who in the right mind admits they work for the CSA and actually enjoys it tells me one thing, your about as human as a friggin rhino, Im now helping people and helping myself along the way,I might be a bit thick but im definitly a nice person that hates the way people are treating by vile parasites bare in mind these case workers dont know what they are doing half the time, the mind field of information is just mind blowing, and the amazing results that come back by doing what we are shows numerous things from CSA staff, THEFT, FRAUD, LIES, FALSIFYING OF RECORDS/FILES, CSA STAFF STEALING FROM CHILDREN AND COVERING UP THERE OWN BLATANT SHIT, need i say more!!!!!!!!!!!
Alice on June 2nd, 2013 10:40 am
a 1 day strike from csa staff is not going to get the legislation changed, and without the backing of the union (which would never happen) it be an illegal strike which could result in the dismissal of all who took part … personally I feel that there are flaws, and as I have said there are things that I have challenged
YOU DONT SEEM TO CHALLENGE ANYTHING UNLESS ITS FOR YOURSELF
@ Alice, did you enjoy your strike day yesterday!!!!! And you lied above by saying one day strikes dont acheive anything, funny that skeleton staff answering the phones said it was over pay and conditions, like you CSA staff dont leave poor fathers/NRP living in shit conditions cold broke and hungry, your bothered about your poxy payrise and your posh office desks and chairs,
Stuart, thats exactly what I was saying about every case being different….think me n you are in the same boat getting penalised for the dads/mums who dont want to be there for their kids or arent interested in aying for them 🙁 I find it shocking but the CSA is just as shocking as you obviously know
Hey Lisa, if thats true they went on strike for more pay then I will have to get a job with them…I remember a certain persons quote saying something along the lines of ‘A 1 day strike by CSA staff wont achieve anything’ Well lets hope it doesnt for their pay if they are not prepared to do it for families they put under the bread line….it definitely looks like ALL the CSA staff are only interested in themselves, forget about the people they are meant to be helping…the kids are punished by punishing one parent severely for doing nothing wrong.
YES get the deadbeats who dont want to pay for their kids but the hard working people who are trying to give their kids a good upbringing and paying towards them, then let them be and dont give me any legislation on that….
if you would like to re-read what was written I think you will see that I said
a 1 day strike from csa staff is not going to get the legislation changed
I did not say a 1 day strike would not achieve anything … big difference
I also said that a strike top change the legislation would not get the backing of the union … as such, apart from it being illegal, the reason for the strike would not be officially recognised, therefore … once again I reiterate
a 1 day strike from csa staff is not going to get the legislation changed
@ Stuart – I did not complain that Lisa lied – I simply said she did … and to turn the commonly thrown tactic by many on here – why change the subject from Lisa lying about her compiling a document she posted, perhaps it’s cos she has been shown have lied about it, perhaps this makes her a little uncomfortable.
As to whether I was on strike yesterday or not, well that is my business, who’s to say whether my particular office was due to strike yesterday, there are several 1 day strikes across the whole of DWP throughout the week so my office may have been on strike Monday, Tuesday, today – or perhaps even tomorrow or Friday … and the pay deal for this year has already been agreed and signed off, so that is not the reason for the strikes.
Lol lol lol I have been away for a few days with the kids etc and I come back to Alice still ‘being right, even when she is wrong’ lol lol you accuse Lisa of lying and copy/paste info (your counterpart Chall used to do the same… Curious?!! Lol)..
The bottom line is you (Alice) deny any involvement with disgusting treatment of NRPs and tell us all that your bonus goes to charity… Ah ha, no disrespect to anyone else who uses this website but if that’s not a poor excuse for ‘absolution’ then I don’t know what is…
If money and status meant so little to you then you would do the decent thing and blow the whistle on the CSA…..
I propose that YOU (Alce) are the liar, trying to get people to see you as humane by telling them you give your bonus to charity…. Nobody who is a normal worker could afford to give their bonus to charity….
Lisa… I’m behind you 100%… Whatever you were told by your friend is 100% more accurate than any advice you would be given by a CSA worker…
@alice, you were on strike, fact, you are trained to lie on a daily basis, fact, your a disgusting parasite, a vile human being, you claim to give your bonus to help for heroes, its the csa that kill these soldiers by leaving them homeless and penniless, they fight for queen and country and you filthy theives take 100% of there hard earned cash, prove you give your bonus to them or crawl back under the csa rock you crawled out from, spineless evil creature
@Alice, by the way, this document we use, was compiled using different websites/pages etc, group effort to put it together, were human, we want to get things right and will do whatever that takes, so it wasnt lying was it, I dont use a false name, I dont pretend to be somebody im not, im not fake unlike you,.are you now understanding why people who get robbed by CSA take a hateful approach to the staff? So please, why not use your real name and stop hiding behind your bullshit daily lies
Lisa – for your information neither I, or anyone else in my office was on strike 2 days ago as there was NO strike in our office on Tuesday – as I said strikes are happening over the week with different offices/services being called out on different days.
As for my bonus – I know what I do with my bonus, I know what I can afford to do with my bonus, I know my household budget – you do NOT … so once again you do what you always do, make up your mind on half facts and decided you are right
Equally, you know the origin of the paternity document –
ALICE, about being human, thats complete and utter bollocks, Youand youe so called HUMAN colleagues only support PWC and breach policy, Continually lie, i have letters from the so called SCUM admiting MALADMINISTRATION, every single one of you need a wake up call, and as for the Paternitiy document that you so call preach, SHAME ON YOU FOR STEALING A DOCUMENT FROM YOU EMPLOYERS, if you were to go on strike, i would gladly support you by lighting the fucking match to you sorry ass.
These comments have been an interesting read.
PS… We need to get upto a 100 comments.
@ brett, were slowly but surely showing the CSA for what they really are, theiving lying scum
Yes I agree Lisa. This story has dropped from
page 1 now, so lets have a look at the new cases and the advice Alice gives.
Pete – if you read the posts correctly you would see that I compiled the document – Lisa’s friend stole it from another group, passed it to Lisa – she posted it on here and when challenged about the origin of the document she lied and said she had complied the document using information she had sourced from various websites
Does it matter where the document came from?? Post it here and let me have a read if you dont mind Lisa????
Want to see what all the fuss is about. I seem to have opened a can of whoopass 🙂 Enjoying reading all the comments and the genuine advice I have had….amazing what coming on a webpage like this can inform you of…at last I have been given decent information that I never got from the CSA, just seems I heard sorry we know we have totally blundered but heres £50, you can kiss goodbye to your nearly £4000 that you have overpaid…..Wouldnt it be easier just to contact my ex and say…Sorry we have been overcharging your ex, he advised us he had another kid whom we already knew about but we closed that case so you could get more money???? It never worked out, we made a mistake, so you now have to pay this money back as we are sure your ex has been put thru extreme hardship.
Sorry for some of the text speak but I get mad every time I think about it lol….so best just keeping it simple 😉
@ David the document Alice speaks of was actually stolen by her from her employers and posted within a facebook group to help only pwc to aid them in there fight with the child support agency, This document was put up in this group and was there for all to use, so in actual fact it wasnt stolen, jusr merely used for the purpose it was made.
Since Alice seems to be being seen for her true colours now she is trying to pin the shit flying onto somebody else, https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/204256966364149/ This is our group, where we promote fairness and fight for both NRP/PWC, we all help, the document can be clearly seen there david, we as a group have a laugh also, unfortunatly for Alice we dont need her bullshit we have managed to help ourselves to fight through, her document is rarely used, the one we have is very successful and works everytime, x
again Lisa is making things up as she goes along – the document was compiled by myself (complete with my own typos … Lisa knows this, she admitted last night that her friend stole it from a FB group that I am a member of – then she changed her story again and reverted back to saying it was complied from info from various sites …. now she is saying I stole it from my employer /// so many changes in her story, and all because she knows fine well she has lied and lied again
personally I am happy for the document to be of help to those who might benefit from it … what irks me is that Lisa comes along and tries to claim she is the font of all knowledge, posts derogatory comments about others name calling like a 5 year old, berates people for being underhand and so on – and then not only does she post a document making out it’s her hard work that has gone into it to show how helpful she is and then lies when she is challenged about using some-one else’s work … so not only does she have double standards when using the CSA to secure maintenance as a PWC but fights against them when her husband has to pay for his children, but she has double standards about telling the truth, she knows fine well that I compiled the document
Ho hum, just popped by to make sure that everyone is getting along with one another. As all seems bright and cheery I will just pop out again.