Women who stop access should have no right to money
Right first off i would like to say i am not a money grabber. Been with my partner for 14 years.
My partner has a daughter who is now 18. I got with him when she was 4. We had her every weekend for a few years then it stopped.
The mother left it for 5 years then came to the house saying hiss daughter was on the at risk register and he could not even find out why. Yet they looked into us. Then she stopped it again for 3 years. We had moved house so the mother ask hiss daughter where my mom lived and turned up at my moms door. Lucky we was there. Anyhow he tried to build up a relelitionship with hiss daughter now 14. But she was sending texts saying she wants to run away and kill herself at the time he found it very hard as he never knew her.
She then stopped it again.
I think if the woman stops the man seeing the child they should have no right in the ex money. As she has told him she has. New dad her husband so if thats the case my partner should not have to pay. She is always getting csa on him.
I feel sorry for the dads who are forced out there childs life. Yea it takes two to make them so two should have equil right.
Lucy
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Jo,
Thanks for your reply.
It’s a shame it took you 18 months to get the CSA to listen, but I am pleased you managed gain a positive result.
I completely agree, it is a shame that genuine cases don’t get looked at because of the backlogs caused by people that can sort out their own affairs if they wanted too.
Thank you Chall…but lost 1800.00 in the meantime, may not sound alot with the 13,000 they wanted but meant kids living in our household lost out and watched a loving home become a depressing place to be with the stress caused due to greed of a pwc who was left everything and lied to the hilt to try and get one over on my husband who had supported his kids, yet it thought it deserved more…I only blame the csa for not acting on information quick enough and calling me a liar, its ultimately the pwc that keeps it going until s/he is found out and shame on them!
Looks like chall (or is it Tracey?) is at it again. –
“chall on January 28th, 2013 9:03 am
J,
What exactly has most of what Gonk and yourself written got to do with the OP ?
Neither of you are opposed to hijacking another members queries.
Rather than continue thread hijacking, you should start your own – Giving those members who do not wish to be involved with such, the benefit of not having to be an unwitting audience…
Not sure if you read the original post chall but seems like Lucy was neither making a query nor asking for advice, she just seemed to be making a point, which I agree with.
If Lucy makes a point then we are entitled to agree, disagree, expand the point etc. Its what this website is all about isn’t it? You have your own website.
‘Rather than continue thread hijacking, you should start your own’, Isn’t that what you are currently doing, ‘hijacking’ this thread?
If you do not wish to be involved then why are you here, getting involved? Just skip over our comments and move on, or do you just like antagonising people?
I joined this site last year and find it to be one of the best around. You have been coming on here since 2008 that I’m aware of. You have your own ‘advice forum’ so why spend so much time on here, especially as you don’t seem to like some of the contributors? Just go back to your own forum, then you won’t be an ‘unwitting audience’ will you.
You appear to have been annoying people on here since at least 2009 – “avoid afairercsaforall at all costs –
Please be aware that afairercsaforall was set up by two people who worked for the csa.they contradict themselves. when giving advice to the nrp they say one thing and when giving advice to the parent with the children they say something else. I believe they are in it for themselves.”
“Do you not find it hypocritical that you dont like things put out about your site yet you blatently slate others.
Seems strange as well that you posted nrp problems on this site as if someone was asking for help but is in fact yourselves. Very strange thing to do. You either did it to advertise yourselves or perhaps you really don’t have any answers.”
So is that what you are doing on here, trying to get more ‘customers’ for your own site in the hope you will attract more advertisers? – “PETITION FOR A FAIRER CSA FOR ALL – November 12, 2008 – At afairercsaforall we have been very busy over the last couple of months.”
What’s wrong with expressing our opinions on the various threads on here, it isn’t ‘hijacking’ its joining in and after all you seem to support that – “chall on January 4th, 2009 – Just like you, EVERYBODY is allowed their own opinion and thoughts ~ its part of being an adult and respecting others!”
Isn’t that right?
Well now as for being ‘dissatisfied’, – “chall on January 27th, 2013 10:59 pm – If Gonk (terry) j, sally etc are all so dissatisfied with the CSA (and Alice’s replies), why the hell don’t you join forces and channel your energy into trying to get the MP’s, who make the legislation, to give you answers to your questions and listen to your plights…
I thought you felt the same – “chall on January 4th, 2009 – … ‘The Agency is well renowned for creating arrears through their own delays, errors and maladministration, which has a detrimental effect on, as you refer, the ‘hard working fathers, who DO pay’. Furthermore, it appears that a lot of the arrears that are being collected at an incredulously high rate, are infact deemed for the Treasury coffers…”
It is hard at times to figure out what you are on about, “chall on January 28th, 2013 2:13 pm – Sally, The FACT is I never claimed it was Gonks real name. When I posted the link, I said he also ‘uses’ the other name – Are you sure it is his real name?
First of all Gonk uses Gonk to maintain some privacy when dealing with the csa, you should respect that but you have a history of being a ‘grass’ don’t you –
“chall on January 4th, 2009 1:42 am – Nice one sherri – your IP has come up in my email inbox along with the post made by SB.. You really shouldn’t use your own name on your email address if your going to go round slating the opposition!!!” Not caring about who may be reading these posts. Some people can take it – “SB on January 5th, 2009 10:32 am – You take the time to invent AKA’s to hide behind, so you don’t have to use your usual user name to slander and slate under, and you consider that constructive? ~ How fine of you to stoop so low and be so underhand in your attempts to discredit.
Sick of saying it’s not a flaming AKA, IT’S MY RUDDY initials woman!!!! You are always there in the background Tracey waiting to jump up onto the bandwagon!!!”
By the way what are you on about when talking about my ‘expertise’ chall (or is it Tracey?), all I’m doing here is posting comments that YOU have made, and the responses from those you have been antagonising since 2008/09.
I like to think my ‘expertise’ is appreciated, people seem to generally like the posts I make –
(tomy on November 22nd, 2012 1:15 am
@j
I agree with j )
You have upset so many people from so many groups you are infamous on here. Well done you.
Hi Gonk,
Finally managed to get my post on. (I think) Don’t know what I was doing wrong but hey ho.
It is annoying that some people fail to respect other peoples desire for privacy when dealing with an organisation so many of us (men and women) don’t trust.
In response to your post –
‘gonk on January 28th, 2013’ – “…well I am paying by force into this unjust system and now hold my breath at the fall out I might encounter from the csa since a certain individual abused my privacy on this site and revealed my real name…”
You will see in my other post that chall has been ‘exposing’ peoples names on open forums for some time. (“chall on January 4th, 2009 1:42 am – Nice one sherri – your IP has come up in my email inbox along with the post made by SB.”)
Some people just don’t think, or learn. I only mention it as this whole thread became ‘hijacked when chall jumped in ‘defending’ the csa employee ‘alice’, while we were just commenting on the post that Lucy made.
Seems like chall and ‘alice’ have a co operation thing going on so its no surprise I suppose. –
‘Alice on January 26th, 2013 11:20 am ‘
“chall – from reading the post I think it is the children who are now living abroad
Sylvia L – can you confirm where the children are living?”
‘chall on January 26th, 2013 11:39 am ‘
“Yes, I see the OP states that the children are living with her parents, in her ‘home country’.
I was confirming, for the OP benefit,that if even she and the children lived in the UK, if the NRP lives abroad, the CSA may not have jurisdiction.”
‘Alice on January 26th, 2013 11:46 am ‘
“I think we need clarification and we can then offer clearer advice”
Maybe they do (or did) work in the same department??? I don’t really care but thought it would interest you.
Best of luck.
Hi ‘alice’, had problems responding to your comments, sorry about the delay.
Anyway, ‘alice’, your list was great – “Alice on January 28th, 2013 9:33 am –
1. I have no dealings with chall outwith this site, no idea who he/she is.
3. If someone wants to rant then it’s no skin off my nose, I would prefer that person did not liken me to a Nazi but if they do then I don’t lie awake at night worrying over it
4. If I am incorrect and someone wishes to correct me, or if someone can expand with further info to what I have put then great, all the better for the person who needs the information
5. I will not f**k off because someone has a problem with me, as per statements by others this is an open forum
7. I do feed back where I see problems in the agency”
If you were the same person as chall (which I kind of doubt but throw it in as you never know) or worked with chall or just had cups of coffee with chall I wouldn’t expect you to admit it on here.
I wouldn’t liken you personally to a Nazi; I do think the organisation you work for reminds me of the ‘indoctrinated Nazi regime. (obviously I’m not alone in that thought – ‘CSA (Modern Day Nazi’s) Hell – May 26, 2009’)
I’ve already stated that when you are correct we appreciate it. At the same time if I feel you are incorrect or the info is lacking then I will state as such. I’m glad you agree with me on the benefits of this and thats what this forum is for so lets both keep it up. (not sure what chall is on about, but if I’m dissatisfied with your advice I’ll let you know)
I don’t expect you to ‘f**k off’, I’m sure the comment was made as a simple insult rather than a specific instruction in which case ‘sticks and stones…’ and all that. Please do carry on posting. (with a bit more detail eh)
I’m really glad to hear that you ‘feed back’ and hope that this feedback will allow your superiors to frame operating procedures, improve training etc. Again not sure what chall is on about – “chall on January 27th, 2013 – Alice will have as much input into legislation, staff training etc as you or I !”
But I’m sure your input is valued, appreciated and may even go some way in affecting future legislation if passed on up the chain of command.
Hi everyone and sorry if this post appears twice.
Hi Lucy, I agree with your original post.
Gonk, feel free to join my sown site, but be aware we DO NOT tolerate biased, foul mouthed members.
j – obviously feels left out and has nothing better to do than – again!
Don’t you find the main problem with 3rd hand info is it can’t quite be relied on to be correct 😉 – of course you do, which is why you choosy with which bits you think you will share. Your welcome to keep going though….I expect somebody must appreciate your efforts.
I have noticed http://www.csahell.com seems to have lost input from other regular members (both NRP & PWC) since Gonk and yourself have be ‘patrolling’ the boards.
I have also seen an increase in people opting to email me directly for further replies to their queries, rather than continue posting on here ….
Quote Jo on January 28th, 2013 11:43 pm
Thank you Chall…but lost 1800.00 in the meantime, may not sound alot with the 13,000 they wanted but meant kids living in our household lost out and watched a loving home become a depressing place to be with the stress caused due to greed of a pwc who was left everything and lied to the hilt to try and get one over on my husband who had supported his kids, yet it thought it deserved more…I only blame the csa for not acting on information quick enough and calling me a liar, its ultimately the pwc that keeps it going until s/he is found out and shame on them!
Jo,
A PWC is obligated to notify the CSA of certain changes – Did the CSA not backdate the effective date for the child no longer qualifying?
Did you manage to establish that the £13,000 was correct?
When the new system comes into force, I assume a lot of families will opt (quite rightly) to make their own arrangements – and those that are unable, will be able to apply to the new service.
@ gonk… Chall knew exactly what he/she was doing when she posted your name on this site… It was childish, vindictive and 100% wrong!! You should report her behaviour on this site…. She should not be a moderator on this, or any other website that has been set up to help people… It’s wrong …
Take care
Sally
@ chall – don’t flatter yourself, the reason people don’t post on here as often is because the CSA.hell Facebook page is open again and I doubt people do e-mail you directly for advice as you have far to much time on your hands to harass and victimise people who say something you don’t like, to be ‘busy’ responding directly to queries….
You sincerely shouldn’t be a moderator for any website, your abuse your position with people who are vulnerable… And hide behind ‘chall’ to victimise and stalk people…. Like honk, j. Shelley and probably me now…. Hey ho….
Sally,
Enjoy being on the ‘bandwaggon’ – whilst you, honk and j are having a go at me, your leaving other’s alone.
Have a nice day x
@ chall
In our case why would a pwc notify of any changes with how vindictive she is…obligated or not don’t think she cares!!
And yes everything did get back dated hence why the original sum went from 13,000 to 0.00, but in the meantime whilst sorting out or should I say losing our information twice csa were taking a deo from my husbands wages in the meantime….and get this, only refunded back 274.00 because they didn’t get our information quick enough and money went to the pwc as the csa deemed it correct at that time, and they can’t get it back from the pwc….even though we know she never received such an amount.
Im not sure why you question everything or quote what people have written?
And with the original post….when a mother or father actively makes him/herself a single parent by stopping contact without any justified reason then I agree.
Also at the new system coming into force, something ive emailed my mp on….they don’t know how it will effect domestic violence cases, like my case which is genuine will some pwcs make up dv just to get out of paying the fee or not having to contact the ex partner, its something that concerns me.
@ Gonk… sorry I spelled your name wrong… typo… i was rushing as usual.. take care.
@ Jo – sorry for interupting your post… the citizens advice beureau have been quite helpful with us in dealing with the CSA and you know that what you say to them is in confidence and they will not share personal, private information about you with anyone else.
Jo,
I asked if you had managed to ensure if the £13,000 was correct, as some parents unfortunately do take the CSA’s word for it – if a penalty assessments is in force, these could be changed and may lessen any arrears.
Obviously, I have no idea how the CSA managed to claim arrears of £13,000 and then drop it to zero, or what info they were waiting on from your OH, so I can’t really comment re the refund of £274 that your OH received.
I quoted the last post I answered from you, as there was quite a lot of posting/copy&paste in between by others.
You are indeed entitled to your views re the OP.
One would hopefully assume a claim of DV may have to be supported by relevant proof.
As yet I’m not sure what the agency intend, but as people (DV is a genuine issue for some male NRP’s also) can and do have a tendency to make thing up, I echo your concern. – may be Alice might know more…
Sally
Thank you for the support again and lol….I quite like the name honk
As for chall…I can’t be bothered to waste my poor spelling and typo skills on him/her anymore…he/she ain’t worth it, and besides,as I said before the thread is becoming hijacked and should focus on its original story ie Lucy
Gonk
@ Gonk – you are quite right Gonk and I should do the same, however, it really does concern me that people like Jo and Lucy (like ourselves a few months ago) come onto this website to get help information about the CSA because we were confused/upset but may (like you, shelly and j.) end up on the recieving end of challs nasty taunts.
She is a moderator for this site and as such has access to private information (IP addresses (shelly), links to previous post (you, to disclose your real name) and history on people (j.) and uses it in a childish, vindictive mannor to demean people when they say something she doesn’t like/agree with….
I hope Jo and Lucy get the help they need without any trouble from Chall at a later date…
I hope you keep posting Gonk and finally get a resolution… I am still waiting to hear if the PWC is allowed to close her case and re-open it as CSA 3 (another threat to us after demanding more money). We have being her faithfully for 3 years (my partner 3 years before I met him) so i’m hoping someone at the CSA will see that she is playing the system and ‘advise’ her not to… it’s never ending 🙁
Take care
Sally
Oh I have no intention to stop posting ,far from it…just wont be getting myself goaded into any more sparring matches with this idiotic child who throws her toys out the pram when things don’t go her way or people don’t agree with her…..lol…here I go again ……ok stop gonk…..last words on the matter
Take care Sally and I will always be looking out for your post and read them with interest.
@ sally
Thank you for your concern with regards to Chall but in our case as far as im concerned our case is closed and just wanted to come on here to highlight what nrps face with regards to chb fraud I.e with Alice saying that nrps have better chance of getting info, when in fact they can’t if a pwc blocks it…I can only share experiences from our case and the problems we had.
Also, with what a csa agent told me, whether correct or not everyone in time will be phased onto the new csa3 rules, but older cases will not be phased for sometime yet…this was my concern with dv cases as they couldn’t answer me with what will happen, have to wait for the brown envelope to decide your fate. Im still waiting on the mp to come back to me with the new system…like with everything with the csa, I don’t think its been properly excuted.
Hi Sally
Just a quick response to your post –
‘Sally on January 29th, 2013’ – “we were confused/upset but may (like you, shelly and j.) end up on the recieving end of challs nasty taunts.
She is a moderator for this site and as such has access to private information (IP addresses (shelly), links to previous post (you, to disclose your real name) and history on people (j.) ”
To be clear. I’m not sure that chall is a ‘moderator’ of this site which is run by a chap called Michael (I think) and someone else, Details are available somewhere. They have (in my experience) been unbiased and provide useful info now and then.
I’m aware that chall has another forum which is run with some others (afairercsaforall) which is where I got some of the info (re Sherri for example) and had access to Sherri’s details when she registered. Having said that, you will find posts on here from chall that go back years and yes some of the comments can be quite rude. I’ve noticed that if you disagree with chall or make a point (she) doesn’t agree with you then get ‘stalked’ and belittled on any post you comment on. (as more and more people are finding out)
I think it was Sherri that called chall ‘Tracey’, don’t know if thats correct or how she knew. The moderators of this site will also have chall’s details but seem a bit more ‘mature’ and respect her privacy.
I will keep posting if I have an opinion or some info based on my experience whatever chall does but I will always try to be polite (I’m not perfect so dont always succeed) and will always try and respect someone’s privacy.
Chall obviously gets her info from somewhere. It may be that she used to work for the csa (as others have suggested), it may be that she still works for the csa and comes on here to cause trouble as its part of her job mandate, it may be that she just bought the rule book the csa use and is quoting from that.
Again I don’t think Lucy (original post on this thread) was asking for any specific ‘advice’, she seemed to be making a point based on her experience. I just agree with the point she was making so I commented. Sorry if you think that was ‘hijacking’ your point Lucy but thats what this forum is all about.
Anyway, (honk, funny that) have a good one, keep posting, nice to share your opinion and hear your experiences.
@ Jo – thanks for the info about CSA 3 being phased in… we will have to accept that but it’s the hassle that’s involved every time my partners ex contacts the CSA as they believe everything she says (even though we have proven that she has been lying on numerous ocassions) my partner has been ‘re-assessed’ a few times because of the lies the PWC has told them… i’m sure we will find out our fate when our brown envelope pops through the letter box… I hope you get the answer you are looking for re DV and the new system…
@ j.Thanks… I stand corrected… I thought Chall was a moderator ..oops!! 🙂 the main thing for me is that, as you said, this forum is about sharing and helping each other, it’s not about demeaning others because they question you or disagree with what has been said… Chall was an ‘advisor’ on this site and as such shouldn’t behave in the mannor she did… anyway, you are very good at doing your research so i’ll make sure I post for your attention the next time I have an issue with the CSA 🙂
take care 🙂
Quote j on January 29th, 2013 12:35 pm
I’m aware that chall has another forum which is run with some others (afairercsaforall) which is where I got some of the info (re Sherri for example) and had access to Sherri’s details when she registered.
Really?! Sherri (joint founder of an anti PWC group) is a member at afairercsaforall, – good heavens, even though their so damning about infiltrators – and you accessed her details…
Hopefully, Sherri will be extremely pleased with your efforts on here, you may get promoted to an area organiser for her group, in recognition of your commitment.
BTW j, Sherri’s got access to more than 1 account at the forum at AFCSAFA and although she believes my name is ‘Tracy’, it was a red herring that we never saw fit to put her straight on.
‘chall
What exactly has most of what you written got to do with the OP ?
You don’t seem opposed to hijacking another members queries.
Rather than continue thread hijacking, you should start your own – Giving those members who do not wish to be involved with such, the benefit of not having to be an unwitting audience – Which, being polite, is what everybody else entitled to.
You are obviously feeling left out and have nothing better to do – again!
Your welcome to keep going though….I expect somebody must appreciate your efforts.
Are you sure ‘Sherri’ is her real name?
LOL, talk about only needing half a story – chall is becoming quite an expert at it, and all revolving around the same ‘anti CSA group’.
You, obviously consider that because I choose to be ‘a source of advice and guidance’, that I’m less ‘entitled’ to voice my ‘feelings’ than you.
What an oppressive attitude – thanks…
I shall not reply further – needless to say the OP has been hijacked enough.’
BTW – ‘chall on January 29th, 2013’ – “I have also seen an increase in people opting to email me directly for further replies to their queries, rather than continue posting on here ….”
Really? did you publish your email details on here then? Better let Gonk Know. Anyway, if you are so ‘rushed off your feet’, being such a valuable source of advice on your own forum, and what with all the ‘direct’ emails then what are you doing back on here? Apart from wasting your own time, hijacking someone else’s thread and promoting csahell with so many posts that it looks really busy? Bet the advertisers on your site are pleased with you.
Enjoy being on the ‘bandwaggon’ – whilst you are having a go at me, your leaving other’s alone.
Quote chall on December 20th, 2012 2:24 pm ‘It’s such a shame that some NRP’s find it appropriate to hide behind a username and have a go at a fellow site user…’
Isn’t that exactly what you are doing right now?
quote chall – “Sherri’s got access to more than 1 account at the forum at AFCSAFA and although she believes my name is ‘Tracy’, it was a red herring that we never saw fit to put her straight on.” (oh ok then)
chall on January 27th, 2013 = When ‘Gonk’ uses ‘t n’ (same story and spelling mistakes )as a username he has agreed with you –
“chall on January 28th, 2013 11:45 am
Gonk,
You chose to make posts under the other username on CSAhell.com and repeat the same story and fancy admitting it is your name?!
If YOU have privacy issues then YOU should be more careful and take responsibility for YOUR own actions!!”
So is that what you do then chall, (or is it Tracey) go around your own (and this) forum exposing peoples names then making purile excuses for why it isnt really their name or how its their fault not yours? How insensitive.
No wonder so many people on here are fed up with you.
Give advice if you can, voice an opinion if you want to but this site is called csahell, it obviously isnt for fans of the csa, in fact nearly ALL the post on here are complaints about the csa in one form or another. I reckon thats pretty ‘anti’ csa whichever way you look at it.
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eewwww, loads more repetitive copy & paste there j.
Do you research anything other than me, or would that not suit your purpose?
http://www.fmotl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=8006
Do you research anything other than me, or would that not suit your purpose chall?
Thought you were busy answering direct emails? Still got time to hijack other threads though.
As you’ve started putting up links for sherri’s site j, I simply thought it only polite to share the link – I have NO input in FMOTL whatsoever.
Morning
I thought the link I quoted was for deadbeat dads? I dont use them and as I mentioned I thought they were a bit odd, still ‘just ‘cos your paranoid…’, having said that I did find a useful pro forma letter on their site to request data protection prints and the address where to send it which I did find useful. (wish I’d kept it now)
I didn’t know it had anything to do with ‘Sherri’, have no idea who ‘Sherri’ is and didn’t know it was linked to FMOTL which is the link you gave to Steve on another thread. (are they linked?)
If I do find any useful links to ‘beneficial’ advice forums (including your own) then I will pass them on. Personally I tend to stick with this site. I generally like the people (who I’ve never met), I enjoy the posts, and yes I do learn quite a bit. (would like to know more about the the bit of info you gave to Steve – “where a letter in a DP file, the the NRP never received, had the NRP’s correct address on it, but the date was way before the NRP had even moved to the address (can’t remember which member it was – sorry)” if you ever find it)
Another useful link I found was for a site called – © ChildSupportLaws so you might want to check it out.
Cheers
MY GOD CHALL IS STILL BANGING ON AND BRINGING MY ALIAS UP EVEN THO I KEPT QUIET YESTERDAY
CHALL **** OFF you twat and let it rest now.jesus…for the last time I will sum you up for everyone.
You offer advise and help regarding csa issues but in some cases people here don’t want advise but just help..help that doesn’t always mean your advise but your support in the form of your views and moral believes about the csa ,after all your view and moral beliefs is a form of help to some where they may find comfort in this because it makes them perhaps feel better for someone agreeing with them or being sympathising about their plight or moral believes.
Now eventually Alice replied a long posting doing exactly this…and hey…it settled me down straight away and made me see her in a little bit of a brighter light than I did.
But you…wow…I seem to remember your moral views or thoughts on an issue about NRP’s not having any of their outgoings,bills,mortgage cost taken into account when being assessed…you never gave me an answer,a view or infact anything in a reply that resembled a view on this matter.And just because I kept asking and asking but still no answer.this is when you started getting on your high horse and start your sarcastic remarks,belittling people which only serves to fuel their anger and respond in just the same manner.YOU have shown many here how you react when things don’t go your way or people disagree with you even if it’s a rubbish reason for them disagreeing with you? Is neither here or there. Your final act in my case because I was so persistent with getting your view was to stalk me whilst replying to other users of this site and then your jewel in your crown was to abuse my privacy.this sums up how far you can go in helping people..lol.
Now I expect a reply…because you will find the need lol….and will leave it at that…..but bring my name…alias or otherwise into any of your other nonsense replies…and I will make it my mission to run you down on every posting you reply to here.
Just for the sake of clarity, Gonk is Terry – same IP address.
Oh fuck me…not another one dear dear
aha ha ha ha Gonk….
@ Michael… what difference does it make whether Terry is Gonk?? the point is we are all entitled to use alaises and some us do so… I don’t understand why you would post that??
The point we have all been trying to make to chall and about chall is that she comes on this website to guide and advise people on matters relating to the CSA and while she is a knowldegeable, her behaviour when upset is absolutely wrong!!! I have nothing against chall as a person (as I don’t know her) but her behaviour when challenged is absolutely shocking!! she is a bully!! when Gonk/Terry continued to ask her for clarification, she stalked him, found a post with similar words and terminology and posted it in an attempt to publicise his name for he CSA to see…. how can you as a website find this acceptable… she did similar stuff with other people… her behaviour (know matter how knowledgeable) will lose you customer/viewers.
“Michael – CSAhell.com staff on January 30th, 2013 12:13 pm
Just for the sake of clarity, Gonk is Terry – same IP address.”
Oh poor show…and your point is? Have you heard the expression ‘you don’t kick a man when he is down?’
Even chall has moved on from this. It may be that Gonk has misinterpreted the last few posts from chall but it seemed to me that chall had tried to ‘apologise’ (sorry chall for misuse of words here) or at least try and explain her actions. I took the trouble of emphasising the point to chall that the whole ‘personalisation’ issue was out of order simply because I’m sure that chall is both intelligent enough and decent enough to say sorry when its due.
We use the sites Michael because we really do need help, some of us have problems that are ongoing. I’m pretty sure the csa monitor these sites from time to time, in fact this one has a csa employee giving ‘advice’ and ‘reporting back’ to her superiors – “Alice on January 28th, 2013 – 7. I do feed back where I see problems in the agency.”
Thats why I, like so many others would like our privacy maintained, even chall doesn’t give any details other than chall. For reasons of equity are you going to publish chall’s personal data? Please don’t.
In my case because my situation concerns my children, and as a result of the relationship I was in I would like my privacy respected, which is why I registered with an alternative email address rather than the one linked to my name, why I use an alias, and why I always use my partners ISP when I post on here. I don’t trust the csa one inch!
Like I said, most of us have moved on, if you check the threads you will note that chall has acknowledged my contribution on certain posts and I have also promoted her advice and even her forum. Its just decent behaviour.
By the way Michael I’m sure the csa would love us to argue among ourselves all day long and would even be happy if people stopped using sites like this and they all shut down. Do you think people are going to be happy coming on here if they feel they can’t trust the site providers? What if it was a woman threatened by an abusive ex, would you publish her details? Would you accept any consequence of that? Would you be happy for someone to sue for breach of privacy?
Whatever Gonk did originally they have subsequently used Gonk on every post and we should all respect that. I don’t think I have an personal issues with chall (?) and I’m sure chall and Gonk will sort it out eventually.
Please do apologise to Gonk, your post really wasn’t called for. Thank you.
Thank you j
And indeed Michael …..not called for…..this site is going to be mis trusted when it’s owners start ganging up on on it’s users like this…one will start to believe it is working with the csa if not part of it….so don’t you start being a childish idiot as well
And you to Sally ..once again for standing in my defence
Thank u
At the end of the day….it don’t matter what I say on here to anyone……it does not give them the right to abuse a users privacy…you just don’t do that ,and you Michael have now appeard to have condoned that abuse.I know I’m no saint on here and speak my mind as does chall ?? but 2 wrongs don’t make a right and 3 certainly does not.
Gonk
I can only give me word that I have never encountered chall in any other site I visit and to the best of my knowledge I do not work with her. chall and I do not communicate any way other than in replies to posts on csahell.com
whether you chose to believe this or not it up to you, it is of no consequence to me
@ Alice – thanks for commenting, this particular post got out of hand and emotions took over. Gonk deserves his privacy like the rest of us and probably just wants and end to this so that he can post in future without any worries…
Your advice is appreciated by many I’m sure and I hope you continue to respond to everyones queries/questions…
@ Gonk
Quote; January 30th, 2013 11:48 am
MY GOD CHALL IS STILL BANGING ON AND BRINGING MY ALIAS UP EVEN THO I KEPT QUIET YESTERDAY
CHALL **** OFF you twat and let it rest now.jesus…for the last time I will sum you up for everyone…
….and I will make it my mission to run you down on every posting you reply to here.
Actually, the last comment I made re anything to do with you using different usernames was January 28th, 2013 3:27 pm – TAKE NOTE GONK -> Anything after then was courtesy of j, during one of his marathon copy & paste sessions – But thanks for more of your abuse anyway…
What’s new? It‘s already been your ‘mission’ to ‘run down’ most posts on here made by most female P’sWC, Alice and myself. I’ll take your threat ‘with a pinch of salt‘ but, ‘you really are a case ain’t you…’
I wonder, how you think your own posts ‘sum you up’ to other’s that read them?
@j
Quote; Have you heard the expression ‘you don’t kick a man when he is down?’
Sadly, some of the female P’sWC that have posted on here, may have appreciated the same consideration from Gonk and yourself.
@Sally
Quote; The point we have all been trying to make to chall and about chall is that she comes on this website to guide and advise people on matters relating to the CSA and while she is a knowldegeable, her behaviour when upset is absolutely wrong!!!
Is your ‘behaviour when upset’ ‘absolutely right‘, or is that beside the point?
It’s oppressive and unrealistic to think that because I offer advise I have less rights to defend myself and/or other’s, than you or anybody else.
The ‘behaviour’ that has been aimed at some by a few on here lately has been absolutely diabolical and bullish.
Re Alice on January 30th, 2013 6:40 pm – Ditto.
I’ve already posted on a different thread that I am a PWC and a NRPP and that I do not work for the CSA or any Government dept. etc.
Finally, we are all supposed to be here because of the same reason and pulling resources – it’s absolute madness…
Good grief,
I’ve been to the doctors, waited ages in the chemist, went for a little walk, had my supper, switch on and STILL it goes on.
I am amazed at what a nasty spiteful vindictive person chall actually is, you were completely right Sally, what a disgusting excuse for a human being this person is. Gonk if you read this you have my total sympathy.
I dont know if you have mental health problems chall but you really are a horrid little person who deserves whatever happens to you.
Quite a few of us have been pwc AND nrp so don’t have a go at me about that dearie and the only ‘female’ I’ve really ‘had a go at’ is you to defend against one of your disgusting vitriolic attacks.
In fact there have been at least 3 female commentators that have come on here to defend me from you you arrogant woman, what on earth is wrong with you.
While I disagree with ‘alice’ from time to time she at least has the decency to be polite in her defence but you really do have a cesspit of a brain don’t you.
Evil nasty person.
Can you read or are you just so blind with rage that you dont care? I spent the whole morning whizzing around here promoting your knowledge AND your forum and how do you respond? By coming back onto this thread you hijacked and having ANOTHER go at everyone.
Go and have a look or do you so not care. Bad bad person.
The only ‘madness’ about all of this chall is that you are still allowed to post on this site….
You quote a sample of what I said but you STILL seem to miss my point…. You victimise people for using an alias an you hide behind chall (a fairersystemforall)…. Indicating that you are in fact promoting a fairer system for all but the real you is the complete opposite!! There is nothing fair (or rational) about you… you are a complete Jekyll and Hyde!!
I sincerely do hope that Gonk does post all your nasty comments every time you post your ‘advice….
I do apologise Michael,
“j on January 30th, 2013 1:10 pm
“Michael – CSAhell.com staff on January 30th, 2013 12:13 pm
Even chall has moved on from this. It may be that Gonk has misinterpreted the last few posts from chall but it seemed to me that chall had tried to ‘apologise’ (sorry chall for misuse of words here) or at least try and explain her actions. I took the trouble of emphasising the point to chall that the whole ‘personalisation’ issue was out of order simply because I’m sure that chall is both intelligent enough and decent enough to say sorry when its due.”
Obviously I was wrong.
@j…. how do you respond? By coming back onto this thread you hijacked and having ANOTHER go at everyone…..
There have been 12 hours between my posts today !
I noticed, that Gonk thought I was still ‘banging on’ about his user name, even though he hadn’t said anything yesterday – Didn’t you like to admit to him that it had only been re posted/up cast last night because YOU had copied & pasted it… Your in no position to lecture anybody j.
Quote Sally; ‘I sincerely do hope that Gonk does post all your nasty comments every time you post your ‘advice….’
– nothing fair (or rational) about that either Sally, especially for those parents who actually need assistance.
But, if you feel so strongly about it, why expect Gonk to do it ?
One member dare not be honest with him and another’s encouraging him to do something she dare not – obviously, him and I haven’t ‘hit it off’ but at least I’m not trying to manipulate him, poor man 🙁
I think everyone should just end the conversation there because it’s achieving nothing….
@ chall,… It was a comment Gonk made because of what you did to him…. Surely you couldn’t have missed that one lol lol lol
Alice did encourage him and if you read over this entire thread you will see that he apologised to her!!! That’s what grown ups (without the a personality disorder) do but you just can’t seem to let it go….. YOU and ONLY YOU are the one we seem to have an issue with…. I don’t know, Gonk, J. Or Alice but we have all managed to move on….. Can’t you try to do the same….
‘chall on January 27th, 2013 10:57 pm’ – at gonk
‘chall on January 27th, 2013 10:59 pm’ – at gonk
above were original posts breaching a commentators privacy.
‘chall on January 28th, 2013 9:03 am’ – at me
‘chall on January 28th, 2013 9:24 am’ – at sally
‘chall on January 28th, 2013 11:34 am’ – at sally
‘chall on January 28th, 2013 11:45 am’ – at gonk
‘chall on January 28th, 2013 12:19 pm’ – at gonk
‘chall on January 28th, 2013 1:37 pm’ – at sally
‘chall on January 28th, 2013 2:13 pm’ – at sally
‘chall on January 28th, 2013 3:27 pm’ – at gonk
‘chall on January 29th, 2013 7:11 am’ – at gonk & me
‘chall on January 29th, 2013 7:53 am’ – at sally
‘chall on January 29th, 2013 7:36 pm’ – at me
‘chall on January 29th, 2013 9:46 pm’ – at me
above were Subsequent posts attacking myself and two other commentators.
‘chall on January 30th, 2013 7:23 am’ – aimed at me but thought it was being ‘nice’.
‘j on January 30th, 2013 9:10 am’ – what I thought was a ‘nice’ response in recognition.
‘Gonk on January 30th, 2013 11:48 am’ – probably just a simple mistake.
‘chall on January 30th, 2013 7:32 pm’ – and then it starts again.
Do you even know you are doing it?
my god…J..yes I just come on and wow what a total asswipe this knob chall is making of itself….Chall…DROP IT…YOU ARE JUST DIGGING A DEEPER HOLE FOR YOURSELF.Seems to me I am winning more support for the your pathetic actions than you…now lets just leave it…WE understand each other…try and be proffesional like alice…sorry I cant spell but you keep reminding everyone of that….but please “F” off I promise I will leave you alone so long as you dont fuel my imagination anymore you tit….. lol
you have proved from the last comments here you are a nrp hatter…thats fine….im not…just want a fair system,equal system that serves nrp,pwc and the csa works with them…damm girl…u sure you dont work for the csa ????
Sally you are my hero as usual with your fantastic words…Chall WHY IS IT U THINK YOU CAN ABUSE ONES PRIVACY ON HERE AND HIDE BEHIND YOURS ??? double standards I seem to hear you accuse me of once lol
What’s new? It‘s already been your ‘mission’ to ‘run down’ most posts on here made by most female P’sWC, Alice and myself. I’ll take your threat ‘with a pinch of salt‘ but, ‘you really are a case ain’t you…’
NO Chall….never….ONLY YOU !!!!
Dont drag Alice into your pathetic little world…..you are unique my old china lol
Now ARE WE GOING TO PUT THIS BED OR ARE YOU GOING TO DRAG IT ON ??? I CAN IF YOU CHOOSE….but happy to hold my hand up and say ” Chall u win”….but I will feel better for it…..will you ????
Chall your true colours are slowly being revealled as your anger shows…its never been my mission to run down anybody on this site….but only to give my point of view…and if i conclude that a pwc is just screwing the system from what I had read from their story then so beit…its my opinion as it would be with the deadbeat nrp that avoids and buks the system thus the csa screwing the likes of me.
your frustration started with me because i was persistant in trying to get an answer from you about nrp’s being assessed…you really not like nrp’s do you Chall
gonk
Gonk, (and anyone else who gives a fig) I’m posting this at 2345hrs or 11:45pm on wednesday night 30th Jan. Same day as your 10:09pm post at chall. so no confusion ok.
It is now plain that chall is being deliberately vindictive and provoking trouble.
On the ‘afairercsaforall’ forum someone accussed chall of having worked for the csa. On this website ‘alice’ admits to being a csa employee, my only ‘gripe’ with ‘alice’ is that I find her advice a bit incomplete.
They sometimes give ‘advice’ together’ on the same thread. (as do we all at times)
Today at half one (lunchtime) after I thought chall was being ‘nice’ I posted a positive comment about her on another thread –
“j on January 30th, 2013 1:25 pm my good post on – Please help, what right of appeal do we have?
Written by Mrs H”, and chall read this comment and answered the post this evening at qtr past 8 –
“chall on January 30th, 2013 8:14 pm Mrs H…” – significantly BEFORE coming back to this thread to have a go at you and then me and then others!
So even though chall KNEW I was trying to be ‘nice’ and fair and promote her and her site she still subsequently (that means AFTER she knew this) came on here to start another slanging match.
In fact I’m pretty sure someone asked this site why they let chall get away with it so we are not the only ones who think there is a problem with this person.
Now I still think the referee of a footy match should be neutral and not take sides, but I especially think that if the ref knows the ‘firm’ have tried to disrupt the game in the past.
Please read the post – “CSAhell.com is on Facebook again
January 28, 2013
Written by Michael – CSAhell.com staff ” really interesting comments on that post.
It does make me wonder what the motives are behind challs actions.
It never ceases to amaze me, how, so much time on these types of website forums, can so much crap be trawled through whereby, members continually slag off other members in order to score the odd point or two. No wonder the CSA are still going after all these years!!
Lucy started a comment on the 25th, I may have missed it amongst all the crap, but was Lucy ever satisfied with a response at all??
Come on guys and gals, get it together.
Oh by the way, my real name is not topper, just for the record that is!!
topper on January 31st, 2013 12:51 am
Lucy started a comment on the 25th, I may have missed it amongst all the crap, but was Lucy ever satisfied with a response at all??
I don’t know if you read all the 149 posts on the original comment from Lucy but I think all but two of the commentators agreed with or were sympathetic with Lucy. In fact I’m pretty sure I said “I agree with Lucy” at some point.
Not sure if she was ‘satisfied’ as such, don’t think she was asking for advice, she just seemed to want to relate her story and state her opinion, as in her closing comments.
I think the csa are still going after all these years because various governments like to ‘massage’ employment figures by keeping low grade civil servants employed in non jobs in the public sector, paid for by the private sector. It has the added bonus of bringing in a stealth tax for the sec of state for the dwp in the guise of clwing back benefit payments, which of course you have already paid for through NI and general taxation. How the world works.
meantime if “members continually slag off other members in order to score the odd point or two” on forums like this then they miss the fact that they are actually being financially fooled. (is that the right word) Again the post – “CSAhell.com is on Facebook again – January 28, 2013″ explains much. To suggest the csa do not get up to dirty tricks on sites like this is a disengenuous argument as it apparantly has happened before.
Still, as you say, its time we ‘got it together as it were’. I shouldn’t worry bout our resident protaganist, I’m sure her perspicacity will develop in time.
ps my name isnt J either, well ok it is but dont tell anyone.