Third Complaint Letter to the CSA – Senior Complaints Manager
This is my third commplaint letter to the CSA, to the CSA senior complaints manager:
Senior Complaints Manager
Complaints Department
CSA Hastings.
Dear Sir/Madam,
Further to my letter of 20th September 2009, and my letter of 27th October 2009, I am incensed that the CSA has not even had the courtesy to acknowledge receipt of my complaints or to actually deal with them in any form at all. My question to all concerned is why?
I have been more than patient in my dealings with the CSA, but my situation has deteriorated massively whilst waiting for someone to actually correspond with me.
In the first instance, I am currently on suspension from my employer, which has affected my ability to earn overtime which was crucial to offsetting monies being taken from me by the CSA. Apart from the obvious stress that this is causing me, the amount that is being recovered by the CSA is still far too high for what I can afford. This has put a massive strain on my relationship and my partner and I are on the verge of splitting up through the stresses that are affecting our relationship. I am on the verge of a breakdown myself and am suffering stress and depression which is worsening week by week. To be honest, I feel suicidal at the moment. Having gone through years of the same grief which almost broke me, I find myself in pretty much the same position and have little stomach for a fight. The option of suicide appears so appealing when my mood is at it’s lowest. I can say with certainty, that if my relationship fails, if my health deteriorates further, then the CSA will have blood on their hands for failing to deal with me on any level.
In respect of arrears outstanding, I have recently received a Data Protection bundle from the CSA and have to question your motives and deceit in trying to obtain arrears to which in law, you have no right to claim.
I refer to the sum of £2743.73, which was for arrears for the period between 12/12/97-12/07/00. As you well know, this debt is a “Statute Debt” and unenforceable in law. In addition, this debt was supposed to have been written off by Miss Baker and the CSA, as part of an agreement for us to make a clean break from the CSA in 2003. I have evidence showing that I was trying to establish what was owed directly to the CSA and what was owed to Miss Baker, in order for the clean break to work, as I did not want to enter an agreement with outstanding arrears. I was informed at the time by phone that the arrears were owed to Miss Baker and had been agreed to be written off. I now find that the recorded notes of that conversation do not accurately reflect what was said and agreed and the arrears were “suspended”. Following on from this, within the DPA bundle, I have emails by Claire Weale from Enforcement enquiring about this amount, which was recorded as a “write off”. Despi!
te this, the CSA have sought to collect this money from me, knowing that in law, this debt is unenforceable. It is currently being collected via a DEO, which I might add whether as a method of collection or enforcement, does not give you the right to plunder my earnings for a debt which I do not acknowledge. The method upon which you have sought to collect this money from my employer and myself is I submit an act of deception. You have tried to inveigle both my employer and I into believing that this debt exists, other than on paper only. I have recently drawn this to the attention of Clare Weale and I make the following statement:
I believe that where this statute debt for outstanding arrears has no basis for collection or payment in law, this does not give the CSA the right to collect that money without my co-operation. I make it known that I do not recognise this debt for the reasons outlined above that:
A. The debt should have been written off as part of a clean break agreement between Miss Baker and I and that CSA notes do not accurately record or reflect what was said and agreed on the telephone.
B. That the debt belonged to an old CSA case and when migrated to the new CSA, it was done so as a “write off”.
C. That the debt is now a “statute debt” and is unenforceable in law. Therefore I am under no obligation to pay this debt and more importantly, you have no right to take this money from me without my co-operation and consent.
I do not give my consent for any money, goods or possessions to be taken from me to pay any or all of this debt. I believe that the CSA have acted improperly and unlawfully by misleading both myself and my employer as to the nature of this debt and my obligation to pay it. Therefore the CSA have committed an act of Obtaining money by Deception under the Theft Act 1968. I am fully committed to paying the arrears outstanding on the liability orders. Should the CSA attempt to take the money for the “Statute Debt” from the wages, I will firstly report the matter (CSA Employee) to the Police as a criminal offence and secondly, I will tender my resignation.
In addition to this, I recently had 2 deductions from my November wage slip one for £594.84 and the other for £280.82. This easily breaches the 40% legal threshold of my earnings and therefore I cannot afford the CSA to prevaricate on issuing a refund of the over paid amounts, especially as I am already under massive financial pressure. This deduction is unlawful and I wish to complain in the strongest terms. Whatever the error between the CSA and my employer, It is my family and I who are the innocent victims of an order which never needed to be put in place in the first instance, as I have never avoided my obligations to pay for my daughter. This is another reason why I need this DEO to be stopped or suspended with immediate effect.
As I have already explained, I have enough issues going on in my life without worrying how the rent, council tax and bills etc are going to be paid and have more than enough reasons to quit my job other than to avoid paying the CSA money for a debt, which I have no legal obligation to do. Obviously, this situation could be completely unavoidable and I could still fulfil my obligations to my daughter and Miss Baker, as well as to my current family, if agreement was made on this issue before the New Year. I have already written to Miss Baker, the PWC to make an offer re the outstanding arrears and maintenance etc. She has until the 14th Dec 2009 to comply or I will tender my resignation in the New Year. This will mean that everyone will lose out, whereas what I have proposed ensures everyone is happy and it is fair.
I would like an immediate response to this letter, as I will no longer be engaging with the CSA for deliberate and wilful failures to communicate with me and reach a sensible solution. I will expect answers to my previous complaints and answers to this. I would be happy for the arrears to be suspended pending the outcome of a Tribunal hearing, which I would like to have, to air some of these genuine grievances and have them look closely at the evidence that has been provided (and edited for Data Protection) and the legality of how the CSA have tried to deceive, inveigle and obfuscate a debt which they know cannot be enforced by law.
If it can’t be enforced by law, then it becomes unlawful!!!!
Yours Sincerely,
Sean Bryant
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Hi.
Sorry to have to tell you, but as far as I am aware while dents prior to 2000 (june I think) are statute barred in terms of utilising a Liability Order, they can still be enforced via a Deduction of Earnings Order.
In line with the Child Support legislation, a debt prior to 12th July 2000 would be statute barred (ie can not be included a in court gained Liability Order).
However, that does not stop the agency from applying a DEO, under Section 31 CSA 1991, to collect arrears.
Deprivation of income – If a parent gets rid of capital OR refuses to accept income in order to change their maintenance assessment, the capital or income can still be used in working out the maintenance due.
Your current stance will prove futile, you need to be pro active with your case and ensure the arrears that are allegedly owed are correct, if not this needs attending to OR they will remain wholly payable.
I have total sympathy for you mate, I am in the same boat. I have not seen my 2 children for a year and since my seperation and divorce nearly 2 years in all. Yet I have still paid for them, even foolishly writing out monthly cheques to my ex’s mother so my ex could claim her benifits.
I am now in arears of about £3000, this is due to the errors made by the CSA in my calculations. This is the second time in 3 years that they have done this. The CSA hve never reaponded to my complaints and I have had numerous case workers (20 in all), its a different one every time you ring them. You can never get hold of a manager. They are the Darkside mate and make their own rules.
You are correct in your thinking and my heart goes out to you when you say that it is making you think of suicice. Mate dont do this, I have been down that road and its not a good one. Think of your kids and family. I am not a soft man and like so many fellas in our situation I found it hard to discuss my feelings with those close to me. So much so that I tried (unsucessfully) to end my life on 2 occasions. This was in the main to the CSA and their dealing of my case.
You will get no help from them as they are allways on the side of the incumbent parent. More so if it is the mother and she can turn on the waterworks!
Keep trying mate and keep your head down and your gaurd up.
Dont let the bastards grind you down, your not aone out there mate
Try the NF4J website
I can only feel for you. I too feel suicidal at times, especially knowing thet the CSA are going to force me to pay back £71,000 they claim I owe, by selling the house I live in with my new partner, this September 2011
15 years ago, my then wife decided she would up sticks, take my two children with her, and go to the far north of Scotland to live with her brother.
We had negative equity on our flat we had on mortgage, then I was made redundant, and ultimatley I lost the flat.
I lived rough after that, working for food on local farms, odd jobbing here and there. Eventually after sleeping in the car one night, I woke to four feet of snow up against the car, and thought enough was enough, so I headed for my parents home, who put me up for a year or so, in which time I found a job, and met a new lovely partner.
She too had a troublesome marraige, her husband slept around, so they divorced a couple of years before I met her. She was on benefits with two teenage children, so when we met, she got a job full time, and we managed to struggle back to a basic way of life. Now here I am, and the CSA claim I owe them £71,000 and ticking since 2001. How on earth they have reached this figure I do not begin to understand, and I know I have never earnt more than £15,000 gross in a year until very recently. So why the large amount? I have written to them so many times, and asked to be reassesed, but to no avail. I do not know what to do, now the cjhildren have left, my lovely partner will lose her home of 30 years if the CSA have their way. Please, somebody help, I am desperate for some sense, and cannot see a way out other than described at the beginning of my letter
go to the bastards head office in dudley like me with police and fuck them show your the top dog like me i would never ever let the csa wankers ever tell me what to do ever. all of you out there that has had great fuckups with the csa twats. you come to me and i will help you all we become stronger and beter together we then have the power to bring down all that think in the csa that do bad will be draged in to court and put in side for there bad ways.
dont let ever the csa bring you down you can bring then to court in one day for £35 pounds take the name of that mong you have on the letter o yes? is one of them mr s haydon let me know talk soon .
I think you are all pathetic!! do you have any idea how much it cost a mother to raise your children? 10x the measly amount you fathers have to pay! your all in arrears because you try to avoid paying and eventually it catches up on you! DO NOT have children if you don’t want to support them financially. Stop being so selfish and immature and support your children stop moaning about how its affecting YOU! how about how it will effect your child when they cannot have food or new shoes that they need for school just because your to tight to cough up!! Bunch of losers man up and pay up!