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The long suffering of good men

11 January 2012 by watson

I have a daughter from a relationship back in the early nineties. My daughter was born in 1998, she is now 13 years old. My partner and I broke up 3 years after my daughter was born. During those 3 years all seemed well – I was giving my partner £150 per month to look after our little girl. After we broke up, things took a very different turn.

My partner reported me to the CSA for non-payment of child support over the last 4 years. That was it for me!!! The CSA believed her and began taking money directly from my wages. I then had to pay £300 per month which included arrears for over 5 years.

My ex-partner has since bought her flat, installed a new kitchen and got married with the help of the money she received from me each month. The upsetting thing for me is that she wanted to get pregnant more that I wanted it. Don’t get me wrong I love my daughter. I am only waiting until she is 18 and has a will of her own to get in touch with me.

21 thoughts on “The long suffering of good men”

  1. Hi watson,

    If a parent with care was receiving state benefits prior to April 2010, the CSA automatically became involved. At that time a PWC on benefits was usually in no position to have a private agreement, as maintenance collected from the NRP was off set against the PWC benefits.

    The effective date for a case to commence is when the agency first make contact with the non resident parent either by telephone OR at a confident address.

    Is your case calculated under old (opened before 03/03/03) OR new rules (opened after 03/03/03) ?

    How much do you pay a month for regular child maintenance ?

    With all due respect it’s 10 years since you and your ex split up and she has re married, I would assume her present husband also makes contributions to their living arrangements…

    chall ~ afairercsaforall

  2. Not sure if you are aware – if your alleged arrears predate 12th July 2000 they are unable to collect and they may have fabricated your liability order dates to bypass this check your dates to ensure that they have not done this.

    CHILD SUPPORT (COLLECTION AND ENFORCEMENT) REGULATIONS 1992
    SI 1992/1989
    Regs. 26-29
    Supplement No. 37 [Sept 2007] 3217
    PART IV
    LIABILITY ORDERS
    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/supp37.pdf

    Application for a liability order

    28 (2A) An application under paragraph (1) may not be instituted in respect of an amount payment of which became due on or before 12th July 2000.

    Come and chat with us on this Facebook group you will get a lot of good advice and support http://www.facebook.com/pages/Child-Support-Agency-Corruption/138094386286954

  3. OP states CSA ‘began taking money directly from my wages’.

    Arrears accrued prior to 12th July 2000 can be collected by a Deduction of Earnings.

    chall ~ afairercsaforall

  5. I put this info up so other people can see – as far as I am aware they cant take monies previous to 12th July 2000

  6. Craig,

    I can confirm, if arrears accrued after 12/07/00 the agency can collect by DEO, LO or/and enforcement action. Prior to that date they can and do collect by DEO.

    chall ~ afairercsaforall

  7. Ok Chall thanks for the clarification in my case they doctored the dates to after the 12th July 2000 to enforce a liability order against me – this is surely fraud and why would they do that? sorry for digressing Wats

  8. Craig.

    I am unable to state whether it would constitute fraud or sheer incompetence of agency staff.
    The court are unable to and should not process an order with dates prior to 12/07/00.

    chall ~ afairercsaforall

  9. It does appear that the CSA are a law unto themselves. If you have a job and a bank account there’s very little you can do with regards to them access your money. They do say if you’ve overpaid you will be refunded and if you’ve underpaid they will demand the money. How long do you have to overpaying before the system detect it?

  10. THE ONLY REASON THE CSA CONTINUES WITH THERE ABUSE IS BECAUSE YOU ALLOW THEM TO BY PLAYING THERE GAME !!!

    When dealing with the csa never ever do it by phone, if they have your phone number tell them that in future you will only converse with them in writing in future.

    Every letter they send you cost’s them a minimum of £35 therefore they are saving money by phoning !

    Personally i only ever contact them through email as it’s free for me but still cost’s them and then they have to reply by mail at a minimum of £35.

    EVERY time they write to you put in a formal complaint to them and I.C.E. even if they have done nothing wrong complain about there attitude or spelling mistakes, complaint’s cost them a fortune !

    EVERY decision they make lodge a formal appeal and a formal complaint, appeals are very very expensive to them 🙂

    Also get your MP involved, they hate dealing with MP’s as it cost’s them even more money.

    I send them an email a day purely to keep there cost’s up and to merely piss them off 🙂

    If they take out an attachment of earnings go long term sick and after you do this a few times they will back off as it becomes too expensive !

    If they threaten you with court or bailiff’s tell them to bring it on, as you are only eligible to pay a percentage of what you earn, if you don’t earn or earn less than they think they can fuck off !

    Never have a bank account in your name then they can’t steal your money !

    Never own anything, put it in someone else’s name then they can’t steal it !

    Finally allways remember the C.S.A. is a PRIVATE DEBT COLLECTION AGENCY !

    And are limited to the same rules as every other debt collection agency, IE: DON’T PLAY THERE GAME AND THERE IS FUCK ALL THEY CAN DO ! FACT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  11. Then that is why they have fabricated the dates so they can push it through the courts I would say that is fraud.

    Wats ask them to furnish you with your data prints it will cost you £10 make sure you pay this with a postal order no other method! ask them for a clerical assessment and a full breakdown of your payments to date.

  13. Re; Craig on January 13th, 2012 9:45 am

    In referenced to the points that cost the CSA money;
    Im sure there is great expense involved for the CSA. If enough people follow your suggestion, the expense could be massive. However, I assume such expenses need to be met, who will pay for that?
    Perhaps, when those NRP’s and PWC’s, who are genuinely unable to come to a private agreement with their ex’s start being charged for the service [due to commence 2013 – £100 upfront fee (or £50 for parents on benefit) + An on-going charge of between 7% and 12% on any maintenance paid to PWC & an extra 15-20% charge added to the NRP payment.], they’ll all be cock-a-hoop in the knowledge that their “fee’s” will more than likely covering such costs.

    You are aware of agency incompetence. Some parents, NRP’s and PWC, actually rely on ICE and the appeals process to deal with maladministration and errors on their cases. I am surprised anybody would suggest antics which would delay the process further other parents.

    I could go on but suffice to say, the basics of CMEC are more than that of the CSA, knowledge is a valuable!
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    Re; Craig on January 13th, 2012 9:49 am

    I doubt it will be deemed as “fabricated the dates so they can push it through the courts”. I know little of your case, but I guess they have used the legislation available to them to attempt to gain a LO for arrears owed after 12/07/00 and if any arrears are owed prior to that date they can legally collect via a DEO.

    chall ~ afairercsaforall

  14. I was already paying the CSA prior to the dates and before the CSA got involved I had a private arrangement, I paid my way from day one – yet as soon as they got involved I was automatically put into arrears. The monies paid before their involvement was not taken into consideration. July 2000 I was already paying them Via a DER upon my army wages – so where they get this July 29th 2000 – 2003 is beyond me. These dates are fabricated – also from 2003-2007 I had a NIL assessment in place yet they forced another liability order upon me for this period of time. In 2009 I was paying £500 pm via a Standing order and some months over the year I increased this payment to £750 and some months £1000 on my own accord in 2010 they placed a DEO upon me because I refused to pay them via Direct Debit – I then got shafted £816 every month via the DEO which I could not afford as my circumstances had changed – they ignored this fact and they also ignored many letters even though they had been signed for. They have fucked me over ruined my life so I am kind of angry – they are nothing more than a pack of thieving low life murdering scum and I will not let them walk all over me. My ex’s have used the CSA as a tool to be vindictive and I will not tollerate their shite any longer.

  15. I have more than paid my way yet they want more it is time this corrupt quango was closed down and a fairer system put in place.

  16. Why is it they only go after the people who are already paying and not the ones who will not pay like they were designed to do. It is because they have targets to meet and a bonus to collect which should never be the case with such sensitive matters

  17. Craig,

    I agree, it is time this quango was closed down and a fairer system put in place.

    Looking at what you have written you were initially on CS1, have any further case been opened with the CSA & when?

    Has your case been subjected to phasing?

    Did the DER (2000) included current maintenance & earlier arrears or arrears only?

    Have there been delays after requests made by a PWC for a re assessment, which have result in the calculation being back dated and arrears being added to your case?

    The effective date for a case to start is once the agency have contacted the NRP, is this the period that the agency would not take into consideration?

    I am aware that money received by the CSA should be first paid as current maintenance and then the oldest debt.

    Have you applied/received your Data Protection File?

    chall

  18. Hi Chall

    Thanks for this I truly appreciate it – I am not keen on hanging my dirty washing for all and sundry to view – is there a way we can chat? and I will tell you all ? Wats sorry for stealing the show

  19. Craig,

    Google afairercsaforall, if you log onto the forum you are welcome to contact me via private messages.

    chall

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