Proposal: Making legal challenge against CSA

March 1, 2012

I have read many stories, statements and made a lot myself regarding the CSA.

I’m outraged like many of you on here at how the CSA takes, steals, lies, rude, unhelpful staff etc you know the list is endless.

MPs like Iain Duncan Smith who lied and blagged his own CV to get into Politics appears only interested in helping the Govt coffers by using the CSA at arm’s length to YOUR money and nothing works so where is the money?

I would like to propose to all concerned that a “combined legal challenge” be made against the CSA in the European Court of Human Rights.

No more PWCs/NRPs fighting alone to be heard.

No more mistakes, excuses or silence from the CSA.

No more idiotic deductions, non-payments, non-refunds etc.

We need action and we need a “combined” representation at the Supreme Courts.

I would suggest that some form of contribution be made to fund such a legal challenge. If enough people all agreed on a min £20 and we could get possible costs – all legally processed.

Rather than letting the CSA make demands and raid your bank or take your property, let’s LEGALLY FIGHT THEM TOGETHER.

But it’s an idea and one I really hope you all recognise needs to be addressed. Enough is Enough!

Would such a massive combined legal challenge be of interest to PWCs and NRPs who participate? All who contribute to such a legal fund to do this would be joined by many others experiencing the same.

Help out if you can by supporting this challenge or maybe you have legal experience that can assist with such a process, whatever it all helps.

We need action and we need it now not tomorrow, no more excuses.

Anyone interested.

Thanks

Comments

  • Ruth says:

    I couldn’t agree more! My partner and I began to live together just before xmas. I have a son from a previous relationship and my partner has two children from his previous marriage. We both work hard and yet we have absolutely nothing to show for it. My partners ex wife on the other hand has never had a proper job, lives in a house which my partner pays for and claims £800 per month from him through CSA. In addition to this amount he has also been left fully responsible for all of their joint marital debts. All in all after working 2 jobs (my partner is a GP) we are left with less expendable income than his ex wife leaving my son suffering and us struggling to make ends meet.

    Don’t get me wrong, I fully agree with fathers contributing towards their children’s upkeep .What I can not abide, however is when we are in a worse situation than the children’s mother and she isn’t even attempting to work.

    For the last two years my partner has been trying to contact the CSA with regards to reassessing the claim and taking into account the fact that he pays the mortgage and the joint debts totalling more than half of his income. This has got us nowhere!

    From my brief experiences of the CSA I have come to realise what an absolute circus it is. Records are forgotten, lost or out of date; people are paying too much/not being paid enough and people are suffering as a result of their incompetencies.

    You are right, enough is enough. I’d be willing to get on board with your suggestion.

  • bri says:

    Hi Ruth,

    Thank you for your reply and I completely understand the situation like you’re in. I have read about the massive debts good hard working people, families are put into because of the CSA mistakes and the Ex’s taste for more money than is necessary.

    I really think it is time to legally challenge this outrageous government policy and the department CMEC for the ruthless and shambolic workings.

    I would like to get as much support from others in organising such a legal challenge in the European court of human rights.

    Please spread the word as I truly believe that this is the only way forward. Many websites, forums offer advice which is great, however the time is right and WE NEED TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION – TOGETHER we are stronger.

    Too many people are suffering, too many are losing financially and suffering mentally because of this.

    I need everyone to bind together help fight the CSA/CMEC and this horrendous government agency.

  • Carol says:

    Ruth firstly it sounded like you and your partner are in a very bad situation and like the rest of us stuck in this ridiculous theft by this Government Department.

    Has your partner advised the CSA you are both living together? As you are living together he should get a 10% reduction as you have a child living at home.

    As your partner is paying debts and mortgage relative to the matrimonial home has he applied for a variation? I had read somewhere that any debts that the absent parent takes on are taken into account.

    Get your MP involved right away and get help. We have had to do this and it has helped to get attention we need although our complaint is not yet resolved it is going in the right direction, although has brought up alot more questions to the CSA which they cannot answer.

  • Carol says:

    I likewise think something should seriously be done about this Department. Their administration is absolutely shocking and the way they speak to people is a disgrace.

    The only thing I can think of though has the CSA not been challenged in the past to European Court of Human Rights (I am sure it was a Fife family) and it was thrown out of Court as it was argued about the rights of the child who should receive the maintenance?

    I would be interested to know more about your intentions. This Agency has not changed although they say they have and are allowing 2nd families to live in poverty which I find absolutely disgusting.

  • Brett says:

    Yes count me in. I haven’t yet posted my horror story, but like so many others I was stitched up by the CSA.

  • Brett says:

    Yes count me in. Like so many others I was stitched up by this loathsome organisation.

  • chall says:

    Quote Ruth: My partners ex wife on the other hand has never had a proper job, lives in a house which my partner pays for…

    Is your OH likely to be entitled to any part of the proceeds if/when the property is sold?

    Other debts of the relationship have to meet the criteria, ie credit card repayments etc will not count.

    chall ~ afairercsaforall

  • Christian says:

    yes count me in big time
    [email protected]

    at least in germany the mother has to proof that she spends money on the
    child not on luxuries
    lke they do in many parts of the uk
    also when you pay you have right to see regardless
    you dont get access you dont pay.

  • bri says:

    Hi All

    I will be setting up a website soon and PLEASE we need to spread the word and get people fired! up about making this legal challegne REAL.

    This circus and stupidity of the CSA/CMEC must be stopped, infact our elected MPs who support the government on this MUST BE CHANGED.

    I would like to ask if anyone would like to assist me in this be it legal, PR experience etc.I will need your support.

    If we don’t start to rise up and make stance to challenge this legally – WE ALL CONTINUE TO SUFFER!. It has to stop.

    Thanks
    Bri
    One Voice – Justice for All.

  • chall says:

    Bri,

    “One Voice – Justice for All.” please expand on this statement, I’m confused given other posts you have made on here …
    https://www.csahell.com/ex-gone-contracted-to-escape-a-deo-2468.html/comment-page-1#comment-17962

    chall ~ afairercsaforall

  • bri says:

    Thank you Chall.

  • chall says:

    No, on the contrary, thank you bri.
    You obviously have your own criteria and strong views. Not really One Voice and Justice for All then…

    Many anti CSA groups have been formed over the years, bemoaning the wrongs of the system.
    Many groups, regardless of being created by NRP’s or PWC or/and their partner’s, are sanctimoniously judgemental and exclude other’s who are also victims of the same system ~ Hence a biased fight, by biased people, who obviously don’t stand a hope of changing a system that wrongs so many, albeit maybe in different ways.

    chall ~ afairercsaforall

  • bri says:

    Again thank you chall for that lecture. I’m sick of the BS that CSA dish out. I’m sure you’ll agree that the time is right to attempt legally to make a change. It would be for both PWCs/NRPS regardless, the system is not fair to both parties, mothers should be assessed the list of wrong doings is endless.

    Yes websites come and go, however I’ve seen “forums” setup and suggest a “Donation” for adivce. Well I think that is wrong and it is ACTION we need. There is enough advice and any donation for advice could be more worthy of a legal challenge. That’s my ambition and if others feel as passionately about making a change then so be it.

    Imagine letting the CSA take your home, raid your pension, savings, bank account and they think that is the way forward in a civil – law abiding society?

    Wouldn’t be great to have a large “Abolish the CSA” legal fund supported by those suffering and needing something more then advice to take the CSA head on in the European courts. I have rights too you know and a right to a decent living standard and life. Not forced poverty, CSA created debt, lies, forced depression the list is endless.

    I think you had a website chall but I think with your knowledge and experience supporting a brash major legal challenge would be very positive of you.

  • chall says:

    Quote bri; Imagine letting the CSA take your home, raid your pension, savings, bank account and they think that is the way forward in a civil – law abiding society?
    ~No mention there regarding the sufferings of any PWC bri.

    Quote bri; “Abolish the CSA”
    And what exactly do you propose to replace it with?

    Quote bri; I think you had a website chall but I think with your knowledge and experience supporting a brash major legal challenge would be very positive of you.
    ~ Also a charge/ donation free forum, which was created in April 2008 and to date has 2939 members, made up of PWC and NRP’s and their partner’s.
    I would fully support and assist with such an attempt IF it were truly unbiased and well though out! 🙂

    chall ~ afairercsaforall

  • bri says:

    Chall we can sit pinging responses for ever. I’d rather not try side either way but to try get equal change that is “fair”. I’ve only become NRP myself in the past few months having no previous dealings with the CSA before. I was totally amazed and angry at what they put me through and nearly lost the plot mentally because of their ruthless, cloak and dagger activites. I wanted help, I wanted to understand why they were doing this to me. I wanted advice to stop or confront this “legal terrorist” agency.

    However what is worst the CSA or the fact that after so many many years. NO CSA advice support forum or so called “guru” on challenging the CSA has actually put forward a “unbiased and well though out!” strategy thus far – Why?. Surely it is better that we all put something together.

    As I said CSA advice is great but we need action as it appears that is truly now what people both sides of the fence want. That is what I want and I’m not prepared to sit around doing nothing and let the CSA destroy my life, hence why I say “One Voice – Justice fo All” 🙂

  • chall says:

    Oh well, good luck.

  • Barry Quinn says:

    1995 the CSA started to harass me and it ends (children triplets 19) October 2012….. 17 years of misery. When you have CSA in your life you have social problems that are weaved into the very fabric of your entire existence, and that of your new partner/children. Everyone around you knows you’ve got it because it effects everything you do, so you talk about it all the time, self counseling if you like. Its a social disease. It empowers the parent with care to live a life of riley, and stop contact if ‘she’ likes and there’s nothing you can do about it. Don’t bother wasting your money going through the courts, they wont ‘really’ support you. There should be conditions…. No 1 – Compulsory DNA testing, No 2 – Contact should be allowed at all times….. no contact, no money. N0 3 – If a women gets a new bloke, and sets up home with him, and he claims tax credits etc with her then he is financially liable….. The laws surrounding Parental Responsibility outline this, so why chase another person for money?…… I will tell you, its to cover the cost of Child Benefit…. which is awarded to the parent who has the children for the Larger part of the week. Child Benefit is the Achilles heel to the whole problem. Get rid of Child benefit and the equivalent money can be directed to parents who genuinely need it through tax codes. Then and only then can the issues of parents with care can be addressed differently. Then the CSA might actually have a genuine reason to be there, because at the moment its just revenue collection and nothing more. CSA YOU ARE ADMINISTRATORS OF MISERY TO MILLIONS SHAME ON YOU.

  • j says:

    Good blog and i support the idea of challenging this disgusting organisation. In the UK there is no procedure for a ‘class action’ but you can all get together and use the same solicitor, or as many people as possible in different parts of the country club together and use just 5 or 6 law firms? I think the human rights approach is a good one (as there is no class action opportunity) but why not try asking an organisation like Liberty? People have killed themselves after the csa got involved in their lives. Its a disgusting organisation whose sole purpose seems to be to create jobs for low grade civil servants and collect money for the government coffers (to earn interest) before eventually being passed on to mums and dads with kids. PS does chall ~ afairercsaforall work for the csa or are they just a fan?

  • chall says:

    Quote; PS does chall ~ afairercsaforall work for the csa or are they just a fan?

    Oh dear, how very pathetic of you… 😉

  • j says:

    chall on September 10th, 2012 10:13 pm

    Quote; PS does chall ~ afairercsaforall work for the csa or are they just a fan?

    Oh dear, how very pathetic of you…

    I’m so glad you are getting annoyed, perhaps you will now go away?

  • j says:

    bri on March 7th, 2012 7:22 pm

    Again thank you chall for that lecture.

    I know what you mean, does go on a bit but with a bit of luck (ooh look how fantastic the csa are and you are all just moaning) we can just ignore this person and work together to destroy the csa.

    chall on March 7th, 2012 10:17 am
    Many anti CSA groups have been formed over the years, bemoaning the wrongs of the system.
    Many groups, regardless of being created by NRP’s or PWC or/and their partner’s, are sanctimoniously judgemental and exclude other’s who are also victims of the same system ~ Hence a biased fight, by biased people, who obviously don’t stand a hope of changing a system that wrongs so many

    I dont think people on here are being judgemental at all, I think they are fed up at being ‘abused’ by a bunch of feeble pathetic bullies who think they can get away with it by hiding behind a ‘smoke and mirrors’ organisation that seem to do very little to support children. Lets be clear, I’m not biased at all, I cant stand the csa or anyone who supports them, that isnt a bias its a fact. Another fact is that I and the many others on this forum WILL change the system, the system only works with our co operation, stop co operating and it falls apart, just ask a chap called Gandhi.

  • chall says:

    Quote j; ‘I’m so glad you are getting annoyed, perhaps you will now go away?’

    Not at all, more bemused….

    It’s concerning your happy to make accusations, and also voice others by a third party (that have previously been aired numerous of times), that could be wrong. Quote j; ; ‘I happily stand by my accusation’…..’although I could be wrong’( https://www.csahell.com/csa-is-a-sham-and-they-set-out-to-deceive-9144.html ) My personal opinion is, you will need more than a ‘bit of luck’ and the playground point scoring you’ve portrayed in other posts, to change the system.
    It may also be credible to afford those you expect work with you a little more respect and intelligence.

    In the meantime I will continue to support parents, regardless of their gender, by offering assistance and advice, based on the legislation. Which will remain their choice, not yours.

    chall

  • j says:

    chall on September 11th, 2012 8:11 am
    My personal opinion is, you will need more than a ‘bit of luck’ and the playground point scoring you’ve portrayed in other posts, to change the system.

    still not interested in your opinion but keep responding, you obviously are one of those types that likes the last word and while you are using this open forum to make personal attacks on individuals it helps distract you from interfering in other peoples comments.

  • Kim says:

    Seriously what can be done about the csa! My husband has 4 kids from a previous relationship and we have 2 kids ourselves. After being married for nearly 2 years and together 6 years it now looks as though he is going to have 2 move out as I can’t afford to have him live with me. The csa are a complete joke when it come to work out how mu.h he should pay, they take no consideration into our personal living expenses.

  • skippydo says:

    Please may spread the word and please let’s try setup a REAL COLLECTIVE RESPONSE to this mess.

    A protest March for fairness! on FEB 1ST 2014 @ 10 DOWNING ST and DWP Head office.

    Who’s in?

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