CSA is a sham and they set out to deceive

September 7, 2012

The csa are a branch of the DWP and their attempt to mislead people by registering as a private company is a sham designed to deliberately deceive.

The ‘independent’ case examiner set up to investigate complaints against the csa are also a branch of the DWP. There should be a class action but against the government in the court of human rights.

Someone has to pay for the ruined lives and suicides that have resulted from the csa. Its a disgusting organisation that does little to help children or parents and seems designed to create jobs for low grade civil servants who simply cant get work in the private sector. Shame on them all.

Comments

  • KMcQ80 says:

    The CSA.. ‘designed to create jobs for low grade civil servants who simply cant get work in the private sector. Shame on them all.’

    This must be one of the greatest posts of the year.
    Congratulations!

  • j says:

    To KMcQ80 and others out there. Well, why don’t we all start a ‘class action’ against the csa/DWP/government? I’m sure we would all benefit from a positive result. There should be examples of ‘maladministration’ and ‘abuse of process’ to make any litigation specialist very happy. The whole system is ‘corrupt’ and designed to prevent access to justice. A court of first instance (magistrates) where the orders that ruin lives are made, are not allowed to actually hear the facts of a case and are there simply to rubber stamp the orders of unelected, not legally qualified low echelon civil service clerks. County courts are not much better, shirking responsibility by passing the investigation of a DWP department to another DWP department (the ‘independent’ case examiner). Bit like asking the banks to regulate themselves really. All it takes are a couple of ‘test’ cases (my is a classic so I’m in) and it should include PWC cases as well as NRP cases to make it a ‘proper’ class action. It would also be great to have support from those disgruntled csa workers who still have a conscience and a degree of self respect. What about it folks? Keep writing and and complaining or start to fight back, for ourselves, our children, and those who have died as a result of this disgusting organisation!

  • j says:

    To be clear, a ‘class action’ as such is currently not possible in the uk but a ‘mass action’ in a ‘joinder’ case with a plaintiff is possible as far as I know. Also the fact that ‘class actions’ are currently banned in a situation where so many people are affected means that there is a possible ’cause’ for action under rules governing human rights laws. In any event if many ‘customers’ got together and used the same solicitors to take on the csa you would in effect have a class action though cases would be dealt with on an individual basis, the resultant cost of litigation would in any event be likely to close the csa and the risk of losing a case would make the government sit up and take notice. Meantime while judges cant deliberate on ‘cases’, you can ask for proceedings to be ‘set aside’ and if you have bona fide grounds to do this the courts are bound in law to look at the facts (to the best of my knowledge) meaning that you circumvent the csa stranglehold on the courts as judges can then deliberate. Also Tort law is another option as ‘Abuse of process’ can happen if you are wrongly imprisoned (or face that risk) or if the action causes ‘intense emotional distress’ and shouldn’t have been brought. (maladministration) Point is while a ‘class action’ isnt allowed we the people can swamp the system.

  • chall says:

    Quote jc; The csa are a branch of the DWP and their attempt to mislead people by registering as a private company is a sham designed to deliberately deceive.

    ~ Yes, on every letter the agency sends out, it states under the CSA logo ‘Part of the Department of Work and Pensions’

    The Department for Work and Pensions has four operational organisations:
    Jobcentre Plus administers working age benefits such as Jobseeker’s Allowance and Employment and Support Allowance;
    The Pension Service which pays the Basic State Pension and Pension Credit and provides information on related issues.
    The Disability and Carers Service which provides financial support to disabled people and their carers.
    The Child Maintenance Group which provides the statutory Child Support Scheme, operating as the Child Support Agency.

    Would you be good enough confirm what exactly has been ‘designed to deliberately deceive’ ?

    chall ~ afairercsaforall

  • j says:

    Re: “Would you be good enough confirm what exactly has been ‘designed to deliberately deceive’ ?”

    chall ~ afairercsaforall

    Yes of course I would be good enough, on EVERY communication I have received from the csa there is NO reference to te DWP at all. In fairness some of them do give an email with csa.gov.uk but still no reference to DWP. Also the csa has registered as a private company with companies house, check deadbeatdads for more info. In addition the envelopes letters arrive in always have a po box instaed of an address, my contact point is csa plymouth (no DWP reference) but I did get a letter from the csa in a DWP envelope once from the same po box address my other letters come from. Point is if it was as open as you seem to suggest then why not just put ‘DWP’ on ALL letterhead? Seems like a straightforward ‘attempt to deceive’ to me but I;m grateful for the extra info you have provided. By the way the only way to have a ‘fairercsaforall’ is to scrap this morally bankrupt organisation and force these low grade civil servants to get proper jobs and put the whole situation back in the hands of the courts where it belongs! At least thats what I think but you carry on.

  • chall says:

    john,

    Don’t you think most people probably realise the CSA is part of the DWP ?

    With regard to; ‘Also the csa has registered as a private company with companies house’

    ~ Perhaps you should confirm if your above statement is correct OR if you are in fact referring to a Credit Check with Dunn & Bradstreet, a global credit reference agency?

    Check the following link, it’s answers to FOI request – perhaps you should direct your questions/accusation to the CSA in the same manner… http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/75122/response/198685/attach/html/3/VTR%20IR%20130.pdf.html

    chall ~ afairercsaforall

  • j says:

    chall on September 10th, 2012 9:02 pm

    john,

    Don’t you think most people probably realise the CSA is part of the DWP ?

    Actually no I dont, in fact i wasnt sure myself until i checked but then why not just advertise the fact? Meanwhile in response to your earlier defense of this horrid part of the civil service, you did say they advertised on – ‘every letter the agency sends out, it states under the CSA logo ‘Part of the Department of Work and Pensions’, NO they dont I ought to know i’ve kept every letter they have sent me and it isnt on any of their letterheads, also you stated they were part of 4 ‘divisions’ of the DWP, not pensions, not disability, not jobcentre but its own little taxpayer funded department, so out of curiosity which department does the so called ‘independent’ case examiner belong to then? Pensions? Jobcentre? Disability? or is it part of the same structure that incorporates the csa? Either way it doesnt seem very ‘independent’ if its part of the DWP investigating another part of the DWP does it? In fact to me (and many others) this whole disgusting organisation seems to be a great big fat sham attempting to deceive people but thats my opinion. A fairer csa for all? Who on earth are you trying to kid, do you work for them then? By the way, who is John?

  • chall says:

    As per my previous post, ‘perhaps you should direct your questions/accusation to the CSA’ by way of a FOI request.

    Have you made any head way confirming whether you meant Companies House OR Dunn & Bradstreet???

    ~ and no, I don’t work for them.

    chall

  • j says:

    chall on September 10th, 2012 10:02 pm

    Currently looking at an FOI request anyway with support from my local politician but thanks anyway. Wont stop until my own small contribution helps destroy this disgusting organisation.
    As for your other point, I dont really have any questions for the csa (apart from the obvious one ie why have they not all done the ‘honourable’ thing) but I happily stand by my accusation that their whole structure is designed to deceive, although I could be wrong, by the way you dont seem to have responded to my point about the so called ‘independent’ case examiner? (please dont bother)
    I don’t know who Dunn & Bradstreet are but if you are suggesting that the info I have is incorrect then fair enough but dont waste anymore time telling me, I dont really care.
    Glad to hear you dont work for the csa, another branch of the civil service then? Maybe just a fan judging by your other posts to other people?
    I personally cant find anything in my heart for this disgusting organisation that has destroyed so many lives, other than the hope that it will soon be scrapped, its employees will all be sacked and the situation to do with maintenance is handed back to the family courts where it belongs.

  • chall says:

    Quote; ‘I happily stand by my accusation that their whole structure is designed to deceive, although I could be wrong’

    What a sham…!

  • j says:

    chall on September 10th, 2012 10:48 pm

    Quote; ‘I happily stand by my accusation that their whole structure is designed to deceive, although I could be wrong’

    What a sham…!

    Oh dear.

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