I’m in financial difficulty due to the CSA

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1. Hi and what can I say, it gets worse and worse………

   How can this be justified, have you escalated your complaint? have you requested an account breakdown which should show you in credit?

   Why not come along to http://www.afairercsaforall.co.uk…………….. Sign our petition, pop into our forum and chat with our members many having difficulties like yourself. We have CSA staff and legal experts onboard who will advise you better

   See you there

2. Hiya well it sounds like the typical lying corrupt Agency that it really is,Reducing Child Poverty” realy it makes you laugh. Coma and have a look at http://www.deadbeatdadsassociation.co.uk we put together letters for you that can now stop what the CSA are doing, we now have a strong team who can help sort out problems you may have paying your mortgage due to the illegal CSA and we also help expose the lies and the scams that they use. Drop us an email at [email protected] or drop us a line 07523936072 you tried the rest now try the best.

3. At http://www.afairercsaforall.co.uk/ we have two separate requests from the media.

   1) Any NRP being put into financial difficulty……………… Poverty or unable to pay day to day bills examples being Mortgage/rent….. power supplies…. Travel to work……… food

   Any NRP/NRPP thinking of ending current relationship due to CSA pressure

   Any NRP struggling on 40% deductions WITHOUT negotiation

   2) “I am a journalist looking into the new policy of chasing dads for money to cover benefit payments given to their wives, even though they paid for and supported their children throughout that period.
   I would like to speak to someone about this and highlight something that I think is going largely unnoticed.”

   – If you would like to be involved, please join us in the forum.

4. Another journalist who also contacted us about this and this will be another journalist with all the promises of trying to highlight the corrupt CSA and how they treat the NRP, unfortunately this will be another journalist who will be gagged. Only two people who are actually exposing and highlighting the corruption is Mr Daz and Dead Beat Dads Association

5. The first request is actually from the makers of a TV program. 😀

6. Well Mobey i answered your question, now you answer mine

   Does being a dick come naturally to you, or did tiger train you

7. nobody ” trains ” me, i just drive them !!!!!!! 🙂
   Ho hum nice to see you are back on form, true to it as usual!

8. I do apologise for the longevity of my next few words but i hope you do read and try to understand the harsh reality of what is an unfair and an unjust system i have emailed a vast amount of people regarding my matter and the matter of probably thousands of other fathers who feel the same way. So i do apologise now if you have received this twice…..
   Mark Appleby
   10 Rochester Close
   Scunthorpe
   North Lincs
   DN17 1QB

   Tel 01724 344396
   07729226106
   Ni Number NE76-76-93-D

   ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

   Child Support Agency
   An Utter Disgrace To The Decent Law Abiding Paying Fathers HUMAN RIGHTS

   I do hope that you take the time to read what i have to say
   I write this letter more in hope than in expectation but it is with some regret that I must complain about the actions, or rather inactions of the CSA and of the Governments legislation, policies and rules of the way and manner that payments are worked out via the CSA
   I don’t actually expect any coherent response, regarding this letter or as matter of fact to the point that most of you will not even take the time to read and understand the current situation of all of us fathers that do actually pay and contribute to the upbringing of our children where we are no longer able to reside with our ex spouses. And also to the point that i believe and feel to a degree that my/our basic Human Rights are being violated, something to which i feel very strongly about,
   Please be patient but this is rather a lengthy portion of what has been happening over the last 8/9 Years,
   Here is my story
   Back in the year 2000 my marriage broke down and i left the marital home, it was all amicable at the start, until my ex wife wanted me to pay her Maintenance for our 2 daughters and also the mortgage we had, to which i said no it was either one or the other, so at first i carried on paying the Mortgage to keep the roof over my girls heads, to which i thought was the most important issue, but after a few months she wanted both again, to which i said no, so she wanted out of the house and so we agreed through mutual agreement that i would pay her £250 per month for our Children and also

   • Pay for their Holidays every year ( To which she went to)
   • Gave them Spending money for their holidays
   • Made sure they had extra food if they were going on a self catering holiday
   • Pay for their school trips
   • Buy them clothes & shoes whenever needed
   • Bought them brand new school uniforms every year
   • Give them pocket money
   • Top their Mobil phones up from the day they were old enough to have one
   • Taken them away on holidays when i have been away
   • Bought them a xmas hamper every year so they had good Christmases
   SHE CAN’T DENY THIS BECAUSE I HAVE PHOTO’S, RECIEPTS AND BANK STATEMENTS TO BACK MOST OF THIS UP.
   And we made this agreement rather than go through the CSA as i thought i was being more than fair,
   I have done all this and kept my promise for the last 8/9 years,
   When my eldest daughter who is now 18 left school she had an apprenticeship all lined up through a hairdressing salon in my home town, but my ex made her go to college just so that i didn’t have to lower the maintenance money, she didn’t want to go, she wanted the apprenticeship but she still forced her into college,
   Then last June my daughter decided to quit college because she didn’t like it but couldn’t get an apprenticeship so decided to ditch the career she longed for and go and work in a shop,
   So still being fair i kept on paying the £250 for my youngest daughter, along with leaving college she also actually moved out from her mothers, i then actually spoke to my ex stating that to be fair now that my eldest had left college and moved out i would lower the maintenance not to half, but to £175.00 per month but keep paying for the things my daughter needed, to which was the agreement,
   THE CSA?????????
   Then unbeknown to me as i have had no contact, letters, phone calls etc from the CSA, i opened my monthly wage slip this month and there was an ATTACHMENT OF EARNINGS FOR £390 FROM THE CSA. As you can imaging i am at this moment in time off work with Stress and a heart problem, how i suddenly felt, to have someone without notification just take £390 from you without warning.
   I immediately phoned them up and asked what was going on, this was the response i got after i had been put through to the wrong office 4 times, i asked them why this had happened I was told that……..
   I had not answered any of their letters regarding this matter, i told them i had not received any letters,
   They told me my last known address they had me down for was an old address i lived at 8 years ago, but i told them i had lived at my present address for the last 5 years, i asked them if i had not replied why did they not check the electoral Register, i was told they did and it came up with the same address???????? Funny
   I asked them why they had not been in touch with either Experian or Equifax, i was told they had and it also come up with the same address, this was now sounding untrue to me now as i have been registered with Experian and pay £5.99 a month for the last 3/5 years. So by now i was beginning to lose my patience, i made the gentleman aware what they had done with the attachment of earning without notifying me was ( i believe ) illegal and against the law, i will stand corrected if this is not the case, But i must defend them for an instance as they are refunding the money back to myself and suspending her payments until it is sorted and i have filled all the relevant forms in…
   BUT!!!!
   My next Grievance is the way the payments are calculated, and this is where i feel that my basic human rights are being Violated, because hang on a minute, all they take into consideration is My Tax, Pension, and National Insurance Contributions that i pay, why is
   • MY RENT
   • MY COUNCIL TAX
   • MY GAS & ELECTRIC BILLS
   • MY WATER AND SEWAGE RATES
   • AND MY BASIC COST OF LIVING FOR FOOD ETC,
   IN MY OPPINION AND PROBABLY THE OPPINION OF THOUSANDS AND THOUSAND OF HARD WORKING GENUINE PAYING FATHERS, ABOVE ARE 5 OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR TO SURVIVE, IF YOU FALL INTO DIFFICULTY WITH THESE THEN YOU LOOSE YOUR HOME, THEN YOU CAN’T SEE YOUR KIDS OR LET THEM COME AND STOP ETC ETC ………ITS ALL WRONG AND THE RULES SHOULD BE CHANGED ……
   ON THE GOVERNMENTS DIRECT.GOV WEB PAGE TO HUMAN RIGHTS THEY ACTUALLY LIST WHAT YOU/OUR HUMAN RIGHTS ARE AND IN THEM 3 OF THEM STATE
   • THE RIGHT TO LIFE
   • THE RIGHT NOT TO BE PUNISHED FOR SOMETHING THAT WASN’T A CRIME WHEN YOU DID IT
   • AND THE RIGHT NOT TO BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN RESPECT OF THESE RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS
   NOW TELL ME WERE NOT HAVING OUR RIGHTS TO LIFE TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE MANY CAN’T PAY THERE BILLS AND LIVE BECAUSE OF THIS COUNTRIES DIABOLICAL, PATHETIC AND UNFAIR SYSTEMS AND LAWS,
   If you fall into difficulty financially all of those bullet points above, are taken into consideration, ie, when you have County Court Judgements, or even worst scenario go Bankcrupt, so why not for payments to the CSA, because if i have not enough money to pay for any of the above or if you fall into arrears or don’t pay any of them you will either lose your home, have your Gas, Electric and Water turned off do you not class any of them as your basic Human Rights because i certainly do…..
   And also tell me if none of those are taken into consideration then why should your bonus be if you’re lucky enough to receive one, i actually do and have been told that they take a bonus and average it out through the year, but hang on a minute if they take one bonus at say 10% and average that out throughout the year what if the rest of your bonuses fall well below that say at like 3 or 4% as they are profit related, so that means you are paying more than you should, and if you over pay how do you know you have, and how long will it take to get it back,
   I DO SINCERELY HOPE THAT ALL OF THIS EMAIL IS READ AND TAKEN ON BOARD ESPECIALLY FOR ALL THOSE FATHERS TO WHICH THE PRESSURE GOT TO MUCH AND WHO HAD TO LEAVE THEIR WELL PAID JOBS WHO HAS PAID THERE TAXES AND NATIONAL INSURANCE, TO WHICH FUNDED THE GOVERNMENTS TAXES.
   AND EVEN MORE SO TO THE FATHERS WHO HAVE IN THE PAST COMMITTED SUICIED BECAUSE THE WORRY AND STRESS OF ALL OF THESE ISSUES GOT TO THEM AND WONDERED HOW THEY WERE GOING TO SURVIVE, AND THEY WILL NEVER SEE THEIR CHILDREN GROW UP, WILL NEVER WALK THEIR DAUGHTERS DOWN THE AILSE, AND WILL NEVER SEE THEIR GRANDCHILDREN
   YOU TELL ME WHERE ARE THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS ARE NOW!!!!!

   Please take note of my address if and or when replying to this, it’s the one at the top of the page.

   Regard Mr M Appleby

9. I really hope this site keep and post the my original email i sent to everyone i could think of, as it highlights the total incompetence of the CSA, Deadbeatdads your site is also awsome and with so much useful information and legal terms we just can’t believe what this abissmal organisation is being allowed to get away with, we us decent fathers who have taken full responsibilty and doing the rightful thing by paying for the upkeep of our children are being hunted and penalised for doing the rightful thing, yet we are the condemned ones for abiding by the law, the CSA should do what they are paid to do and go out and find the fathers who do not pay and won’t pay, but oh hang on a minute thats to hard isn’t it, we need to make a stand and show them that we are and will not settle untill this organistion is disbanded and set up to run properly and not corruptly,

   Marcus 1965

10. Well seeing as Mobes was moderated i’ll have a bash, freedom of speech etc etc etc, quote from Mobes, ” i DRIVE the trains Sue, and glad to see you’re back on form”

11. I don’t do trains sorry, good job really cause I would like him to explain exactly why he/you/.DBDA are charging your members, not a donation a charge.

12. We don’t charge, how have you reached this conclusion?

13. We were informed by a member that your website has placed a £5 charge on using your forum……………. That is digusting

14. Quote; SB on March 13th, 2009 6:02 pm We don’t charge, how have you reached this conclusion?

    The following is apparently taken from you forum homepage..

    “About viewing this forum
    Please note after visiting this forum even if you have or haven’t checked out our website, we will require you to submit the £5 donation before we will accept your request to join. This has had to be actioned due to a number of reasons but mainly to protect members and information we supply and hold that is contained therein.Please note if you submit a request to join the forum without submitting the donation your application will not be successful.Managers”

    – you need to get out of your own backsides!!

15. What is the problem there then? ….do tell

16. I thought this was all sorted long before pc closed down the first time. Now it’s just moved to another site – is that fair to this site?

    You both deal with things differently, end of.

    PS. Chloe, will you stop sending me junk mail.

17. DBDA is not prepared to ‘accept’ people, unless they pay – some commitment!

    Considering, ‘some’ of your info, is indeed inaccurate (which previously, on here your OH has stated, they ‘don’t care’) – it is a grave concern, what exactly you think this £5 is for. -and before all the ‘waffle’ commences, re buying web space and domain names, etc, these costs are minimal!

    Frankly, DBDA aims appear more suited to exposing ‘corruption/collusion’ within the government, rather than helping parents deal with and solve their personal issues with the agency.

    Our sites, clearly have different agendas and should not be confused – Therefore, once again, do what you do and leave us to do what we are doing!

18. ahh there you go again failing to read our site correctly, we do not accept people unless they pay, strange because if people email us we help them, we do not ask for payment via emails, we can filter out the idiots pretending to be having problems with the CSA via our emails just to find out what we know these are called infiltrators and yes we catch them out.
    Considering some of our info is incorrect, well may I suggest that you look at your own site a bit closely because there are quite a few inacurracies there my dear.
    As far as the £5 is concerned it seems very funny how it is only you two that find it disgusting, most of the people who have joined us reckon we should increase it. Have you also informed NACSA that they are also disgusting for charging £45 to join or is it just us that you think is disgusting, may we also remind you that we have an email from your co founder stating that you are to set up an 0800 number help line this would help you rake in some revenue, double standards again we see.
    DBDA are doing more than exposing the corruption/collusion within the Agency we do help individuals and we have helped a lot of individuals by personally attending court with them and representing them and winning their cases, so I have no idea where you are coming from there. You have no idea what work we do however we would like to know where you can back up your claims regarding this matter.
    The £5 actually goes towards preparing cases for individual members, (we do not charge anything for fuel staying in a hoteletc, depending where we need to attend court ). and it also goes towards the costs of the web site and phone calls
    As far as us doing what we do and you doing what you do it seems amazing how your co founder wanted us to join forces with you so we would have better clout to fight the CSA , why would you need us on board if you have over a 1000 members to back you up? hmm we wonder on that one.
    Against Tigs/Sherri’s better judegement, i took the decision to explain certain things to you, she was against it and said that we owe no explanation to anyone,least of all 2 trouble makers who cannot bear the thought of us.
    You stick to filling in your petition and let us do the hard work

19. LOL, you obviously have an ‘ology’ in ‘disparagement’.

    The other organisation you refer to, whom charge £45 subscription are professionals, so there is a huge difference between you both! 😉
    You should spend more time ‘checking’ your own site, up till 10 days ago your IP was recorded on our uk site as being the 68th highest viewer! LOL

    We have implemented nothing that will cause any costs or charges to members – Both founders absorb the costs of everything concerned, as stated its minimal.

    Actually, you Maurice, were yet again the one that felt the need to try and disparage what we are doing, all in the effort of a freedom of speech – again….

    Any interest regarding Sherri’s/tigs/tiger/SB/tigereyes – OR whatever name she posts under ‘better judgement’, completely vanished after reading her posts on other forums, and the drivel about how is she not a ‘typical woman’ and ‘would never use the CSA’ – but has also posted regarding ‘wanting spousal maintenance’ from somebody she had NO children with! I may be naive, but NRP’s are more willing to contribute maintenance for their children, than their ex !!!
    So, question ‘double standards’ closer to base and hope you never split up 😉

20. Well how sad that you have to record our IP to see what our viewing rates are, you are so hung up with the amount of members you have and how often your site is viewed, the fact remains are you any good? well from what we have heard No your not.
    Now the other fact remains that you have to now search through other forums to see what other subjects from over two years ago just to slander us, and still you have not fully read the posts which seems to be a problem that you have, Spousal maintenance is something the ex is entitled to regardless of whether children are involved or not, check your divorce laws, you have no idea about the circumstances why the question was asked anyway.
    As far as being professional or not, you do not have to have legal qualifications to exercise your rights or to show others the legal understanding that you learn, we proved that with one of our members in Scotland who paid a professional solicitor £400 to represent him in court, only for them to go through his paperwork and then at the last minute decide to tell him that they will not represent him in court even though they advertise how successful they are in court with the CSA, we are given the case to go through overnight and we get the case kicked out, the very next day, then I will refer you to the lady who started off the case reclaiming bank charges, she was not a professional but look what she acheived.
    As far as the footing the cost between you and the other founder well lets not forget I am being crippled by the CSA at the moment and well it must be fantastic being able to have 2 foreign holidays a year and one UK holiday, but Tracey you as an NRP and a mother but who has the child living with her ex the father, must surely be paying a lot to the CSA as well so how can the costs be absorbed?
    However we will look forward to discussing this face to face when you come along to the function in Wolverhampton, oh and by the way before you dash off and inform the manager of DWPCorruption.co.uk that we have stated we are attending his function, it is a joint effort so we look forward to seeing you there and by the way I will offer you the chance to come up and correct me if I state anything that is correct.

21. Quote; Spousal maintenance is something the ex is entitled to regardless of whether children are involved or not, check your divorce laws ..

    You should take your own advice, when your stating how NRP’s can ‘opt out of paying child support – check divorce laws!
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    Quote; As far as the footing the cost between you and the other founder well lets not forget I am being crippled by the CSA at the moment and well it must be fantastic being able to have 2 foreign holidays a year and one UK holiday, but Tracey you as an NRP and a mother but who has the child living with her ex the father, must surely be paying a lot to the CSA as well so how can the costs be absorbed?

    – just like a lot of other NRP’s.
    However, a lot of NRP’s are not in arrears because they have not paid, whilst trying to be a smartypants – they find themselves with arrears, mainly due to agency delays and maladmin!

    Where ever your getting your info from – IT’S INCORRECT – quite a habit you have there, eh..
    I am a PWC and a NRPP!!! I have 1 child who lives with me..
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    Quote; However we will look forward to discussing this face to face when you come along to the function in Wolverhampton..

    LOL, you take a lot for granted.

    Obviously you will be there, but then as the profits from the ticket sales are going to be shared out – how can you couldn’t afford to miss it! 😉

    – do yourself and your site a BIG favor and just let on with your own group!

22. You should take your own advice, when your stating how NRP’s can ‘opt out of paying child support – check divorce laws!
    Correction, where you have this from we don’t know, we never condone NRP’s NOT paying Child maintenance,we have never given advice that condones never paying!!!!!!!!! what the hell are you referring to?

    – just like a lot of other NRP’s.
    However, a lot of NRP’s are not in arrears because they have not paid, whilst trying to be a smartypants – they find themselves with arrears, mainly due to agency delays and maladmin!……………………………………
    WTF? we are fully aware of this happening,,,,,,,,,,,,,,doh!!!!!

    LOL, you take a lot for granted.

    Nope we never take anything for granted, life is far too short and owing to certain circumstances we both know this more than most, it was an open invite to meet with us,,but as per you won’t show your faces to us !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Obviously you will be there, but then as the profits from the ticket sales are going to be shared out – how can you couldn’t afford to miss it! 😉
    Correction, it is not as you believe ,,seeing as you like to spy on all of the sites, check the details,doh!!!

    – do yourself and your site a BIG favor and just let on with your own group!

    This is exactly what we do but why do you feel the need to spy on our IP address? it has nothing to do with you or anyone else does it?
    Do yourself and every self respecting woman a favour, go about your own business because we obviously get right up your noses for some reasonand quite frankly, so be it, at least it keeps you busy!!!!!!! 🙂

23. Mobey 1 or 2 things to point out, because Peter told me a little while ago … How are 0800 numbers going to cost our members?

    2) When we offered to join forces, it was the very early days, before we knew your agenda, and how you were totally disregarding PWC plight….. We dont agree.,

    3) Peter informed me that you will bear the fruits of charging people £9 each to sit and listen to your waffle, I aint prepared to gift you that….. But we do have a little something for you. Just would like to return favours we are thoughtful like that, and one good turn deserves another.

    4) Your IP was looked up to be banned, after some of our content was used on YOUR website……….. So you got banned dearest, but how SAD to sit here slating and your one of our top visitors LOL. I can assure you I have never and never will visit your website nor forum..

    5) I can assure you our members are happy with what we do, why not ask them yourself, but you maybe should question your own members of the same.

    6) I work bloody hard for what i can get, So before you go on and on about holidays as long as I dont travel by train it really shouldnt concern you

    7) Spousal maintenance is wrong, how can you possibly moan about child support, and ask for spousal maintenance at the same time…… Double standards me thinks

24. Please, please, please can you all just sit down and think about what you are all doing? If the Government, CSA or whoever reads this they are going to be laughing their heads off!

    We cannot fight this injust system when we are fighting amongst ourselves, we need to come together, no matter what our differences are!

    Please guys think about it and think hard if you want to stand any chance of success!

25. Sue,,,,,,,,,,, you need to speak with Peter again,, there is NOT a £9 charge, suggest you get the jungle drums rolling a tad better.
    there is nothing wrong in asking a question about spousal maintenance whatsoever, just because it’s your opinion that you don’t agree with it, it becomes just that, your opinion. Tracey always drags that post up that is now over 2 years old , yet you choose not to explain the reasoning behind asking the question, and why do you choose to do that, so that you can come along make her look bad and slag her off!!! You know perfectly well, as Tracey must have read the posting, all those 2 and something years back, that it was simply asked because he had left her in a substantial amount of debt and thought it was funny on her to leave her in a mess and finacially ruined, so how is that double standards Sue? For your information, she didn’t eventually go ahead with what the LAW said she WAS entitled to and would you care to know why? because he threatened her, thats why, so she cut her losses and held her head up instead! ( you have no idea )
    I look forward to receiving my prepared gift, and don’t refer to me as dearest as i am neither your dearest nor would wish to be, a hot poker and eyes springs to mind!
    There has never, nor ever will be, anything of yours on our website, we put a letter for Marstons on ours and lo and behold, a few weeks or so later, you did exactly the same!!! so who’s the copycat there? not us!!
    We have always stated from the get go, and Tracey knows this,that we would cater for the NRP, that was one of the MAIN reasons Tracey saw her backside and decided that she wouldn’t wish to merge with us!! and we have the print out of the posts to prove it!!
    As for you work hard for what you get, i didn’t even mention any names as to who i was referring to at all!!! but guilty concience comes through as ever seeing as it was you who has taken the hump amd mouthed off!!!!!! how did you know i wasn’t referring to Tracey?!!!
    We have an e mail that you sent stating that your next plan of action was to set up an 08 number for members and such to ring to get advice, and that once it had been running for a while you would then swop it to a freephone number as by then it would have paid for itself!! ignore the ignorance on the arrangement of the 0800/0845, which makes no odds now anyway as BT have decided all these numbers are free!!!
    We have never had a hidden agenda at all, we have always stood by and stated who we were going to cater for, one of the reasons, yet again, that Tracey saw her backside after a few weeks and decided SHE would not be affiliated with us,so we have nothing to hide there, can we add that you were accused of not catering fo r the PWC? some people were saying that it only catered for the NRP!!
    Peter needs to get his info more accurate and up to date, initially it was the DWP corruption manage who arranged and sorted the meeting out, and the ticket fee and the distribution of the pot,which was to be between 3 SITES, this has been changed by a powerful inidividual who has stepped in and paid for the venue, and all as it is now, DONATIONS received on the day will go into his POT,we will receive nothing and neither will the other organisations!!!!!!!
    We are to assume that you plan to send your minions to discredit and make folk look daft well we have one thing to say, there are a lot of people who will be there that we are affiliated with and the minions who attend will need to be careful about what they do and say, as they will be the ones made to look daft and stupid, if not highly embarrassed. Pity you have to sink so low and be so crass, we have had to endure this for so long it’s getting beyond the veil of stupid and bordering on malicious but no matter, truth will out.

26. As explained on numerous occasions, PWC also have problems with the Agency – Its not a competition ‘who has it worse’, its a case of trying for and obtaining, fair change for ALL concerned.
    A one sided, biased effort , by any side, has not and will NEVER make any headway !! – A massive fact you are incapable of absorbing!

    – I’m not even going to reply to the rest of your ‘clap-trap’ – suffice to say, every opportunity you get on csahell to initially post and slate, you do so even to the extent of changing your user names… And the usual pomp, irrelevant, self gratifying waffle follows…

    Either you have an unhealthy interest or bitter obsession with our site, as we not only aid PWC, but also NRP, so we also cover the same group as you – As both sites started about the same time, I assume the obvious problem is our site has been better received and grown more rapidly – hence your bitterness!

    As stated before, this maybe has more to do with your attitudes and how you project yourselves, than anything else. You are responsible for your own demeanour – People are not ‘silly’ and do make their own minds up!

27. Just one thing that I would like you to clarify for me

    Where were my two foreign holidays last year? They must have been sooo good I passed out and missed them.

    I went to weymouth last year for 1 week, and it was paid out of MY money. Remember they are NOT my children, I look after my own first i’m afraid…

    As for the rest of your clap trap I cant be bothered.

    i can confirm right here and now WE WILL NOT BE COMING ANYWHERE NEAR YOUR TALK or whatever you want to call it…. I’d rather sell my soul to the devil…

    Just for the record though if it was Martin alone we WOULD have attended and brought members with us………. Martins loss

28. Quote – deadbeatdad on March 15th, 2009 2:03 am ;

    Correction, where you have this from we don’t know, we never condone NRP’s NOT paying Child maintenance,we have never given advice that condones never paying!!!!!!!!! what the hell are you referring to?

    – Really?? check the link, its ALL here..

    Quote – deadbeatdads on February 1st, 2009 1:46 am;

    There is another way you can opt out of paying child support all together but we will inform you of that privately in your email you sent to us

    Quote – Deadbeatdad on February 17th, 2009 2:20 pm;

    Mark- it involves a process but not everyone can or indeed is willing to do it, contact the dbd website and drop us an e mail explaining you posted on here and we can let you know.

    https://www.csahell.com/csa-are-persecuting-me-2-130.html

    Damned and proved yourself a liar… sweeeeet !

29. Anyone can opt out of the csa – just keep a court order valid. Maybe that the ‘can’ as opposed to ‘definate’

    I find it amusing that 2 sites who wholly support nrp’s can be at loggerheads, we all know the guise of one site supporting pwc is now false as some-one managed to prove without help.

30. LMAO!!! it was actually a mispell, which should have had the word “VIA” in lmao, oh god you are soooo easy to wind up aren’t you? Have you never thought that it was typed that way to get your interest because we knew you would pick up on it? We aren’t going to explain ourselves to the likes of you,and no, it’s not because we can’t, we choose not to because we are fully aware of what you are doing. You are tracking every movement we make on the internet,Consumer Forums, Money saving forums,CSA forums, you name it, you have traced our IP and constantly track it, well good luck!!!!

31. 2 posts by deadbeatdad, to 2 separate posters, regarding the same..

    Your effort to ‘waffle’ your way out of a hole, is pathetic – well, lets just hope these other ‘groups’ that you claim to be involved with, know what they are associated with…

32. Lol waffle , waffle, well you would know about waffling!!!! we don’t “claim” to be involved WE ARE involved, but we also hope that your members don’t be left feeling too downcast when they realise what is going on!!!!! Keep on tracking Tracey it’s getting quite fun now!!!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

33. ‘S’illy ‘B’illy… People will make their own minds up!

34. Shouldn’t you be sat next to your counter counting all your members that are queing up in their thousands to join, or trying to track us to find out where we are likely to post next just so you can use the GOOGLEAFAIRERCSAFORALL under all of our posts mmmm its all coming out now.

35. *yawn*

36. Why don’t you get yourself out and about and count the times YOU post after Chall. Hey you might surprise yourself..

    What is your issues with members? Why are you slating our members, I find what you have said disrespectful to each and everyone of them.

    Remember we didn’t search for your IP addy it was gifted to us

37. Doesn’t give you the right to to refuse to delete ANY information when you were requested to though does it? all because ” it contains a wealth of information for us to use for future reference” thats Data Breach dearie, you are an individual and as such, when requested to, you should have complied with what was asked of you, but seeing as you haven’t and you keep us tracked, so be it.
    We don’t have an issue with your members, the 500 or so that are genuine it appears, that is, as per you never read a posting correctly do you? Do you know something, reminds me of the CSA robots because they are as bad, never listen and can’t read anything correctly!!!!

38. I find it unbelievable that you are all fighting amonst yourselves! Can someone please tell me what you expect to achieve by all this? If the Government and or CSA are reading this can you imagine what their reactions will be. Laughing springs to mind, because the simple fact is we stand NO chance of getting anywhere when the likes of this are going on!

    Can people not put their differences aside for one minute and take stock of the situation. Fighting amonst ourselves equals failure from the start! Getting together as one united force to go up against this draconian agency and Government at least gives us a chance.

    I really couldn’t give a damn if a website/forum is charging members for advice or whatever so long as something is going to be achieved. If people want to pay these fees then so be it, thats their decision. I personally wouldn’t pay, but thats just me!

    To sum up, we have one hell of a fight on our hands so please, please consider putting all your differences aside and fight together not against each other!

    Seeing threads like this I honestly think I would be better off going back to my own private war with the CSA than getting involved with group action, which as the way things stand looks doomed to failure.

39. For your info please see data protection website. Any electronic correspondence sent to your private email account becomes the property of the recipient.

    You email to me asking for my help, is my property now. I assume that is what you are refering to above.

    It has also been drawn to our attention you are attempting to discredit us on your site, and have banned a member as you have assumed he has been talking to us, you better keep banning clever dick

    This is not the first time you have banned members on a unfounded whim, if I remember correctly you have issue with your members also being members of our site..

    We have been gifted a copy of your forum front page which refers to the above, it was sent via email, if you try to deny this it WILL be posted here,

40. “It has also been drawn to our attention you are attempting to discredit us on your site, and have banned a member as you have assumed he has been talking to us, you better keep banning clever dick”, unfortunately i do not possess one, anatomically impossible 🙂

    Well, well, well, lmao, you gave the information yourself on here, actually, and for your information we kknew who he was since last October so we left him there, it wasn’t until you made the confirmation for us that we were credited in our suspisions!!!!!! so it’s your own fault, and if he was nothing to do with you two idiots, then why did he come crawling saying he’s been banned?!!!!!!!! That all goes to your credit i’m afraid!!! BTW what we choose to do with our website and or forum and it’s members is of no concern to you,nor your business!! and for your information there are 2 members on ours that remain members of your forum also,so what of it?? no , thought not, nothing.

    “We have been gifted a copy of your forum front page which refers to the above, it was sent via email, if you try to deny this it WILL be posted here” Whatever keeps you happy,busy and amused 🙂 face it, something has to !!!

    PLease feel free to do so, we can answer it no problemo, we learnt a long time ago that you live by the code of threats, you have done it to people within your own little group haven’t you?!!, we have said to you on occassions before, we have nothing to hide, but we do want to tell you this, we have had some interesting contact with people of late and these people have expressed that you have an unhealthy interest in myself and Mobes and people are now getting concerned, but we have come to realise a few things ourselves, maybe you should realise that Peter got his membership nulled due to a few facts that came to light, besides the fact you dropped him in the preverbial anyway !! lol 🙂
    BTW the fact you type it was sent via e mail doesn’t worry us because you have your little minions as we have stated before and for your information, you are able to view a couple of pages from the net when you come across our forum, because they aren’t locked off, they are there for all to see, so it’s hardly Sherlock Homes material is it love?!!!!! lmao 🙂 gawd you are a peach the pair of you.
    Bring it on Sue, just bring it on, you always have a guilty mind, same as when Mobes was replying to Challs post and he typed about the 2 foreign and 1 UK holiday per year, your showed yourself right up there by typing what you did with your hard earned money was of no business to him nor how you spent it, words to that effect, but if it hadn’t have had a grain of truth or touched your conscience then why was it that it was you who saw fit to respond when no names were mentioned?!!!!!!!!! 🙂 lmao
    Keep on tracking girls, keep on tracking 🙂 🙂

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    Quote SB – you two idiots..

    – defamation of character, be careful! Although you obviously consider yourselves above any law – You may find out sooner than think, your not! Which will do you and your group NO favors at all – if your are in any doubt, seek legal advice!

    Re; Your forum notice.. – I’M amazed if you manage to suck anybody in..

    Quote; “This was due to information that we found and also our own investigations into infiltrators and the government wanting to close us down.”

    LOL, Vivid imaginations, there’s numerous sites on the web, that pose a bigger threat to the government – doubtful they are worried about on with 37 members (half of which have never been back after registering!)

    Quote; “We also feel it sad that another group sees fit to try and discredit us and also get us off the Internet whilst purporting to be of the same opinion and want a better system in place for all !!! ”

    PMSL – you neglected to direct people here, so they can see that you commence the disparagement !!

    Lets look at FACTS..

    1) You privately email our joint founder, asking for answers to your members problems..
    2) Your IP addy is the 68th highest user on our http://www.afairercsaforall.co.uk/ – lets not under estimate this – the home page has had 18994 hits since it started in Oct 08 !!!
    3) You slate and criticise http://afairercsaforall.co.uk/ -, in constant effort to disparage the site and its founders.
    4) You levy a ‘contribution’ fee for joining your group

    – All the traits of a ‘MIDDLE MAN’ deadbeat dad !!

    Parents requiring help, advice and support with the Agency, should note – http://afairercsaforall.co.uk/ – does not charge, and gives info and advice FREE

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42. Quote SB – you two idiots..
    – defamation of character, be careful! Although you obviously consider yourselves above any law – You may find out sooner than think, your not! Which will do you and your group NO favors at all – if your are in any doubt, seek legal advice!

    Re; Your forum notice.. – I’M amazed if you manage to suck anybody in..

    Quote; “This was due to information that we found and also our own investigations into infiltrators and the government wanting to close us down.”

    LOL, Vivid imaginations, there’s numerous sites on the web, that pose a bigger threat to the government – doubtful they are worried about on with 37 members (half of which have never been back after registering!)

    Quote; “We also feel it sad that another group sees fit to try and discredit us and also get us off the Internet whilst purporting to be of the same opinion and want a better system in place for all !!! ”

    PMSL – you neglected to direct people here, so they can see that you commence the disparagement !!

    Lets look at FACTS..
    1) You privately email our joint founder, asking for answers to your members problems..
    2) Your IP addy is the 68th highest user on our http://www.afairercsaforall.co.uk/ – lets not under estimate this – the home page has had 18994 hits since it started in Oct 08 !!!
    3) You slate and criticise http://afairercsaforall.co.uk/ -, in constant effort to disparage the site and its founders.
    4) You levy a ‘contribution’ fee for joining your group

    – All the traits of a ‘MIDDLE MAN’ deadbeat dad !!

    Parents requiring help, advice and support with the Agency, should note – http://afairercsaforall.co.uk/ – does not charge, and gives info and advice FREE

43. Are you completely thick, how many Peter’s are living and breathing in this country. I can assure you the person who sent the e-mail etc was not Peter……… Peter was a term used for an entirely different context. Do you understand or not Peter your ex member has NEVER been in touch with ANY of our admin or mod team, therefore you banned him for the wrong reasons, if you have an email for him I suggest you apologize.

    I have an unhealthy interest in yourself and Maurice, OMG he is the most disgusting creature I have ever seen in my life, like an overweight Les Batersby, and you TBH I can hardly respond to that for laughing, I would rather sell my soul to te devil then worry about you pair of self obsessed clowns. You are both so pathetic none the wonder your membership is shocking 40 members in over a year, ASK YOURSELF WHY……. OMG that is so pathetic.

    Would you care to enlighten everybody as to who I/we have threatened, I would like that made public…………………. I have NEVER threatened anyone on our site ever…

    Right as far as I’m concerned people will make their own minds up. I’m sure they can see how silly billy you both are..

    Just one thing you need to remember MAURICE is the very last thing I would obsess over lol he’s just not my type sweetheart, and you well I pity you…….

    Now when we all stop laughing at your remarks this time, ( 6 people in this house alone on the floor) ha ha its madness I will get on with what I do best.. Helping people Goodbye xxxx

    Whats this got to do with holidays you fools, weren’t you aware this is a CSA website,

44. Are you completely thick, how many Peter’s are living and breathing in this country. I can assure you the person who sent the e-mail etc was not Peter………………………
    We never said Peter had sent the e mail!!!! once again you read the message incorrectly, or is that an admission on your part? where have we said it was him that sent you the e mail, considering you crowed about that the next day, doesn’t follow love!! We do not have to explain to you why we did the action that we did, and besides, if you are not interested in what we do and the way we se fit to run OUR website and forum,,why TELL us to apologise?

    I have an unhealthy interest in yourself and Maurice, OMG he is the most disgusting creature I have ever seen in my life, like an overweight Les Batersby, and you TBH I can hardly respond to that for laughing, I would rather sell my soul to te devil then worry about you pair of self obsessed clowns. You are both so pathetic none the wonder your membership is shocking 40 members in over a year, ASK YOURSELF WHY……. OMG that is so pathetic…………………………………….
    Like OMG, lmao, get over yourself, personal insults is it now?? how low can you go?? oh i forgot quite low, at least he would be bale to join a Lookalike agency and earn some decent money then wouldn’t he?!!!! what is your excuse, or is that why you and Tracey hide your faces away? can’t get a Yashmak to fit??!!!!, actually you have incorrect figures seeing as we were kicked off the internet last year and lost the forum!!!! but let us educate your mind,,,,, you set up your forum, a forum relies on it’s members, we set up a website with an e mail address and a helpline number, then added a forum, it is there if people purely want to chat with other members or not, we receive over 70 e mails and telephone calls per week, not from people who have joined the forum, you used to rely on that we never have, are you still able to follow the message?
    Stating you have an unhealthy obsession means that you are tracking and checking everywhere the “deadbeatdads” go around the internet, and don’t deny it because you post stuff on here from 3 years ago etc etc, so that PROVES what you do. As for the personal insult about my future wonderful husband, it’s not what is on the outside Lady but the inside that counts, and as i have had my share of bad knocks and a terrible childhood, what insult will you throw next? You wished you had his determination and fighting spirit, he’s worth a million of you, oh and DON’T pity me by a long shot, you know nothing of my life, it would make your hair fall out, those that know me understand what i am saying, he is the best thing to have ever happened to me and don’t insult my intelligence by saying well if thats the best, you must have had a shite life, because basically dear, i have, and it took 26 years for me to finally be happy and find my other half that makes me complete, and don’t come on saying you are reaching for the sick bucket either, you’re disgusting to stoop so bloody low.
    As i said and i re-iterate so that you can grasp it, Mobes mentioned holidays, if you were supposed to be in the grasp of the agency, how could you harp on about holidays, but oh i forget, he mentioned no names , yet you ran straight in defending your corner!!!!!! lmao, admission by guilt or what? your so “doh” you don’t get it do you? but we forget again, must be the age thing, you managed to get your assessment down to the lowest and also disinherit so you’re sitting pretty.
    Throw your insults somewhere else, you used to be forever accused of doing that in the PCF all of the time, it’s all you can do.
    PLease post the e mail that you received here, if you have the bottle, i would like evryone to be given the chance to read it, now theres an invitation you really shouldn’t refuse Sue.

45. Sherri~~Please just take stock ” Peter told me” that is what I wrote……..

    Two little birds sitting on a wall
    One called PETER one called Paul

    So the context of PETER was a little bird, nothing to do with your member, and you banned him, that’s very unfair to your member~ Can I suggest you re-instate him and apologize.

    Personal insults~~ Not at all, everyone can make their own minds up about Maurice he’s all over internet, I was pointing out why I have no obsession with him, HE’S NOT MY TYPE

    Holidays, Why can’t we have three hundred holidays a year?? Strapped by CSA or not, haven’t you heard of savings, or family support. As it was neither of us took three holidays last year so it’s irrelevant aint it. Our assessment is NOT low, but we are happy to pay as ordered, and as for personal choices that is fully up to me. I can validate my reasons for choosing to do what I do, I don’t need to answer to anyone else.

    Your life~~ you say your a strong woman, who has had a lot of crap. I applaud you for getting over bad times “well done” I hope you continue to move on and become stronger…

    Posting your email is a little unfair, so I will give you a day or two to think on that one

46. Your both obsessed with seeing us… Judging your own self importance, it will be hard for you to accept, that in the grand scheme of things, your of NO importance, hence we wouldn’t waste our time!
    (but, just for you and your OH, chloe is really attractive ;))

    A few FACTS..

    1) You privately email our joint founder, asking for answers to your members problems..
    2) Your IP addy is the 68th highest user on our http://www.afairercsaforall.co.uk/ – lets not under estimate this – the home page has had 18994 hits since it started in Oct 08 !!!
    3) You slate and criticise us, in constant effort to disparage the site and its founders.
    4) You levy a ‘contribution’ fee for joining your group

    – All the traits of a ‘MIDDLE MAN’ !!

47. WE WRITE THIS STATEMENT FOR BENEFIT OF ALL OUR MEMBERS AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PERSECUTED BY THE DWP JOB CENTRE PLUS AGENSY’S TO INCLUDE CMEC.
    MYSELF AND MAURICE OF DBDA HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION, AFTER INVESTIGATING AND RESEARCH , THE ORGANISATION THAT IS ATTEMPTING TO DISCREDIT DBDA ARE AN INFILTRATION GROUP SET UP TO INTERFERE WITH OUR SUCCESS IN HELPING THE PERSECUTED NON RESIDENT PARENTS ..
    WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY OUR SISTER SITES SOLICITORS TO TERMINATE ALL COMMUNICATION WITH A FAIR CSA FOR ALL.
    AS IT APPEARS THE MENTIONED SITE DOES NOT HAVE CREDENCE OR INTELLECTUAL BACKGROUND FOR DBDA TO DEAL WITH THE VEXATIOUS BEHAVIOUR IN AN ORDERLY MANNER.
    OUR SOLICITORS HAVE ALSO PROVIDED US WITH INFORMATION THAT SUGGESTS THE TACTICS WE HAVE EXPERIENCED WAS TO BE EXPECTED AS WE GET CLOSER TO FULL EXPOSURE TO CMEC AND CSA CORRUPTION .
    THIS TO INCLUDE THIRD PARTY INFILTRATION ON BEHALF OF THE CSA .
    I SHOULD IMAGINE AFTER READING BETWEEN THE LINES THE PUBLIC AND OUR VALUED MEMBERS WILL UNDERSTAND THAT THE THIRD PARTY VEXATIOUS REMARKS ARE UNWARRANTED.
    AND THE THIRD PARTY ARE NOT WHO THEY APPEAR TO BE . THIS STATEMENT WRITTEN ON BEHALF OF DBDA AND DWPCORRUPTION.CO.UK

48. Your solicitor should have also advised you that in making such a defamatory public statements, you are leaving yourselves open to liable prosecution…

49. No comment

50. AFCSAFA and both founders totally refute the defamatory falsehoods made by deadbeatdadsassociation and on DWP corruptions behalf.

    AFCSAFA has now consulted a lawyer who advises us there is indeed a case for ” liable prosecution”. As such deadbeatdads and DWP corruption will need to substantiate the allegations made with reference to AFCSAFA and/or it’s founders being infiltrators or/and further false accusations levied at either AFCSAFA or/and its founders.

    A copy of this thread will be forwarded to DWPcorruption.co.uk for their pursual and to prevent any misunderstandings

    We really that common sense will prevail in this matter, and the founders at deadbeatdadsassociation refrain from making any further allegations in the future.

    For the benefit of our present and future members, AFCSAFA takes these allegations very seriously and will respond in an appropriate manner at all times

    FAO CSA hell founders,

    Though the allegation as published on your website, AFCSAFA does not hold you responsible in anyway. Any legal action will not include action against CSA hell or its founders