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Good question mate-i seem to be in the same boat as you. but unfortunately i have no solid answers- ill let you know if i find anything out and vice versa.
GOOD LUCK
You are a very sick person who wants to ensure that your children suffer, it is not about paying the PWC it is about supporting your children, I hope you get help and I hope your children will not grow up like you, a bitter person, I dont judge all NRP just because my ex (a NRP) is a liar and commits fraud, obviously Im a better person than you.
shut up bitch, get a job stop weeding money out of the nrp, don’t try and use the moral crap with me, i have seen to much men suffer thinking they where doing the right thing, now look at them? some of them are dead, some of them are homeless, pwc ask for to much money use the csa to course harm and distress, keep the child away from the nrp, so shut yr mouth, u fat bitch, as the question stated don’t give me any moral crap i don’t give a fuck. im looking after number 1 me. so keep yr fat comments to yr fat self. you don’t no my circumstances get a job u cunt pwc, are all the same as fare as i am concerned, i hope the bloody.. Muslims get there own law in this country. u know why? so they can stone all pwc who try and make the nrp life not worth living by taking all his money leaving him to live on nothing. then having the cheek to take his house, then saying u have not got the money u know owe a debt. well fuck that shit. if u can not afford yr kids keep yr legs closed and stop having kids that the man did not agree to maybe yr body but its the mans sperm. end off.
P.S WHY ON EARTH DOES THIS SITE GIVE OUT YOUR IP AND YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS NOT VERY SAFE IS IT.
Tone it down a bit Flint, for your sake.
…and this site doesn’t give out emails or IP addresses, unless we want it to!
I dont weed any money out of the NRP, he doesnt support his children, goes and has more and continues not to support them properly when he earns a lot of money. There are a lot of PWC whether men or woman also having problems too and suffering, have suffered, etc. Dont judge me as you dont know me, dont judge me like your experiences. Obviously you would be a perfect case of domestic abuse with the words you chose to use. LOL fat – far from it in fact, Im into fitness and work full time, again another wrong judgement. My ex decided not to keep in touch with his children, he had every opportunity to see his children but he let them down and caused them more upset and harm then when they decided not to see him. I can see you are looking after no 1 – so your children suffer, what a good father that is – not! It takes 2 to have a child and two people should support that child also. I never took anyone’s house, I dont own mine but my ex owns his. Well I suggest that men, especially ones like you, use contraception to make sure no child has to suffer having a ‘father’ like you.
“P.S WHY ON EARTH DOES THIS SITE GIVE OUT YOUR IP AND YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS NOT VERY SAFE IS IT.” – obviously you have something to hide?!
Michael thank you obviously Flint is a very disturbed person!
well im looking to avoid paying any more money to the CSA. I had an ex partner who thought she could do whatever she wanted when she wanted, leaving me to babysit so after countless warnings, Id had enough and left her. It was the hardest thing to do but she didnt care, as soon I was out of the door she was on the phone to the CSA! She told me that I will never see my kids again, stay away or you will get a visit from her brothers! So fearing serious bodily harm, I know she wasnt joking as they have done time for it before I stayed away. Since then I have paid the CSA money, then stopped paying after a while, jacked in work several times and moved house several times. My payments were made when they cought up with me after a court appearance then I would move again and stop. Now I know for a fact that she wasnt short of anything and that she worked cash in hand as well as claiming benefits but obviously failed to tell the CSA! I only stopped paying the CSA through protest because she stopped me seeing my kids, there was no point in trying legally to access my kids as her threat with her family is still on even now. I know that as me and my mate bumped into one of them in town one night lasy year and it ended up in a fight which ended up with me and my mate knocking him out! I then find out that before my second child was born she was sleeping with her best mates brother every week for 9 months! I told the CSA this but they said its up to me to sort a DNA test out but I cant afford one plus I dont know where she is, they wont tell me. Now I owe over 25k in arrears and im in court soon to be sent down for 42 as I have missed payments on a suspended sentence I had from the CSA the last time I was in court. I just wish some women would stop harping on about bad dads! Some of us want to be good dads but arnt allowed to be. Whos the victim now?! I am refusing to pay now as my kids are 19 and 16 and have left her so the money that I should be paying will be going to the government and not her as she has already been paid in benefits so she wont see any of the money anyway! I fully expect to be sent to prison but I will not pay another penny again. What are they going to do when im released, send me down again? How many times can they do it anyway does anyone know?! I would like to hear if any magistrates are reading this, doubt they will let me know anyway! lol
hey gary, sorry to hear whats going on with you, i really hope something good happens for you, after all when it comes to all that you have to look after number one which is yr self…what good would it do putting you in prison is beyond me that’s just stupid.
…as for “karen beford” the only fitness training you do is a burger in front of the telly and yr csa money being put into the bank lmao if you working why you so concerned with csa. he has not bothered with his kids bcos he can not afford it. what do you expect for him to say its cool, ill be ok with csa robbing him on your behalf. yr man finished with you dont be upset about it, move on lol. you pwc are all the same. stop making excuses u still love yr x and it hurts so your using csa. we all know its true.
AS FOR THE IP ADDRESS, ITS ABIT LIKE GIVING YR HOME NUMBER OUT, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO STRANGERS, HMM I WOULDN’T BE SURPRISED IF THIS WAS A GOVERNMENT RUN CSA WEBSITE. CHECKING IPS AND IDENTIFYING PEOPLE HMMMM. PEOPLE BE WARNED! USE A PROXY, TO HIDE YR IP. WE DON’T WANT PEOPLE LIKE KAREN BEDFORD ACCUSING YOU OF BEING THE DADDY OF HER KIDS THEN GETTING CSA ON YOU.
p.s gary stop paying csa yr doing yr self no favors. dont let people use the moral card and you and make yo feel bad. its your life. unless yr willing to kill yr self fair play. if not find ways not to pay, and some how get an income. people are now saying self employed is the way or claim benefit work on the side. don’t use your own national insurance number. im still working on a solution for nrp to have an income with out paying csa.
P.S TO GARY.
You can be sent to prison only if the magistrates believe that you ‘won’t pay’ rather than ‘can’t pay’ your debts (that is, you have deliberately refused to pay, or you have chosen to spend the money on other things you didn’t truly need).
If this is the case, the court will probably make a ‘suspended committal order’. This means that the magistrates will set an amount for you to pay each week or month. You will be sent to prison only if you miss any of these payments. If that happens, you will be sent a warrant to be arrested and brought before the magistrates. You cannot be sent to prison without another hearing, although you may be put in police cells overnight.
If you receive a warrant, you should:
* get expert advice, if you can;
* prepare a personal budget statement by setting out all your income, expenses (what you spend your money on) and debts;
* contact the person who issued the warrant and ask them when you need to attend the police or magistrates’ court.
WEATHER IF YOU CAN PAY OR NOT. JUST MAKE SURE YOU SAY “YOU CAN NOT PAY” RATHER THEN YOU WONT PAY. CANT PAY IS THE BEST OPTION THAT’S WHAT I USE ALL THE TIME. SO IF YOU HAVE TO GO COURT SAY TO THE JUDGE YOU CAN AFFORD £1 A MONTH. LOL THAT’S WHAT I DID WORKED A TREAT. SO I PAY £12 A YEAR UPFRONT TO KEEP THE CSA OFF ME FOR A YEAR AND IT COMES IN FOR REVIEW. WITH I A YEAR I WORK THEN WHEN CSA CONTACT ME I STOP WORK CLAIM JSA, OR HARDSHIP ALLOWANCE. IM MOVING SOON SO ALL THIS CRAP WILL END NO MORE CSA THEY CAN NOT TOUCH ME IN JAPAN. TO DO SO WOULD BE AN ACT OF WAR HAA HAAA
An IP address is like giving your home number out? This is a government run website?
Flint, you’re giving non resident parents a bad name. You’re the sort of tool that man-hating feminists are always complaining about.
There are some real money-grabbing PWCs on this website, but not many. Most are in the same boat as the rest of us, getting screwed over by the CSA. There are a lot of NRPs (mostly men, but not all) who genuinely can’t addord to pay and are being hounded.
You however are a muppet. By the way, stop writing in uppercase. It’s what nine year olds do on video game forums.
Micheal.
Your the kind of idiot who would be working for the csa, and hating nrp just bcos you can, to state give the nrp a bad name you really should go out more and meet people, maybe get an education, learn to debate people not to argue, go to the gym do some exercise, eat health food broaden your mind.
your narrow minded, pathetic, ignorant fool! you say i give nrp a bad name? i was not aware they had any name or reputation attached to them except for deadbeat dad?, , regardless what you think as the title state how not to pay csa, you should wake up i have no reason to care about the pwc in any circumstances i have done my research on the matter and its disgusting, how may pwc kill them selfs? non! bcos they can not afford to live, with the pressure of court trying to see there kids and not getting no where. learn to read i don’t care what you think about my comments. your the kind of person who try to be the favorite to impress the girl to show you have some sort of a good heart. wake up you idiot1 life is not like that. we all know what a good person is. some one who will fight for the kids. and still the csa system lies, they blame the fathers who don’t pay stating there bad dads, putting them down all for what? money, but the truth of the matter is they an not afford the rates what csa i want, then even if you do pay, they want more and more. Then you magically from the csa you end up in debt. i have seen story after story being the same.
so you see Micheal, open your eyes learn the facts and stop being a person who will do anything to look good and be the champion your fake, 2 face, and not to be trusted and you know this Micheal, you don’t have many friends, you have no women and no one really likes you, and you know this is true. so before you start talking your random slang using words like i.e (Muppet) know your place don’t punch above your weight. as the title suggest i don’t care about comments to do with pwc. just solutions. now get off this page, know your role and shut your mouth.
Learn to read?
Learn to spell you imbecile.
I am a NRP and I haven’t seen my kids for over 2 years because their mother refused to bring them to contact sessions. Courts could do nothing and I ran out of money trying.
That doesn’t give me the right to slag off every PWC because not all single parents are mothers, and not all single mothers use their kids as weapons. Equally, not all fathers have abandoned their kids as you have.
I don’t need to argue with you, every comment you post shows what an incredible cock you are. So please, keep it coming.
so micheal,
you are the nrp, you have not seen your kids for 2 years and you ran out of money trying?
well your a dead beat dad, you not trying hard enough. and you come on here acting all god or mighty you hypocrite. and and look for you kids and pay all your money there is no such thing as running out of money unless your homeless. you are not homeless i gather so keep paying and keep trying.
how dare you come on her and act like Jesus lmao, your more like Judas. you not trying hard enough go and look for your kids, you owe them that much.
in regards abandon my kid not kids, where did you get that from? you making up little moral story’s again. i will not cry about my circumstances as you have.
you circumstances or trivial and you should look for your kids and pay the money to do so. your a dead beat dad you have not tried at all i ma ashamed of you. most be some other bloke bringing up yr kids now with your x-wife or girl, looks like she dumped you for another man now you need to pay-up. poor poor Micheal
no need to call me a cock now is there. as i have stated before no interest in your silly little fake story’s just want to know how one can work with out paying csa over the top payments.
regards too my spelling so sue me.
I’m sorry, I only speak English.
OMG like the man
he wasnt asking for any one to preach
everyones circumtances are different , so dont be so quick to judge
there are so many girls out their that say that they are on the pill when they r not
and get themselves pregnant without the mans consent , just to try and keep them
and when they walk away cos they werent ready to be a dad or that girl werent the girl for them , they go running to CSA if you made the decision to have the child by yourself deal with it yourself END OF
EMMA.
I AGREE WITH EMMA. I WISH MORE WOMEN WHERE LIKE HER. GOD BLESS YOU AND MAY HAPPINESS AND WEALTH COME YOUR WAY FOR THE FUTURE. TOTALLY AGREED.
I MAY SELF WAS NOT WITH THE GIRL WHEN SHE WAS PREGNANT WITH THE CHILD WE HAD BROKEN UP AGES BEFORE THAT. 8 YEARS LATER I WAS TOLD BY CSA. FURTHERMORE IT WAS NOT AS IF SHE DIDN’T KNOW WHERE I WAS I HAVE BEEN THE SAME PLACE FOR 15 YEARS, WHAT ANGERS ME IS I WAS NEVER CONSOLTED WEATHER I WANTED TO EVEN BE A DAD, OR EVEN KNEW .
NOT AS IF I WAS WITH HER WHEN SHE HAD THE CHILD AND LEFT HER WAS NOT EVEN WITH HER TO BEGIN WITH. THE TOOK IT ON HER SELF TO HAVE THE CHILD. NOW WANTS ME TO PAY MONEY TO A KID I HAVE NEVER SEEN OR KNOWN. AND THE STUPID COW HAS KIDS OFF OTHER MEN AS WELL. WHY HAVE KIDS YOU CAN NOT CLEARLY AFFORD?
ALLOT OF WOMEN DO THIS IT JUST STUPID
I CALCULATED IF I WENT TO WORK CSA WOULD TAKE £600 A MONTH (BACK DATED) FROM MY WAGE MY TAKE HOME PAY WOULD BE £56.99P AFTER PAID BILLS AND RENT. A MONTH. IM BETTER OFF CLAMMING BENEFIT AND WORKING ON THE SIDE OR GOING SELF EMPLOYED.
GOOD JOB EMMA, I GUESS ALL WOMEN ARE NOT THE SAME AND HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING ON DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES GOOD JOB
I’d love to have kids but all this CSA stuff has really put me off. I know so many people who’ve been screwed over. In this day and age not many couples stay together forever.
It is often said in the UK there is an ageing population. Perhaps more people would have kids if they weren’t terrified of what would happen if they broke up with their partner and were hunted down by the CSA. Fair enough there has to be a system in place but I’ve read that £1 in every £1.85 taken from the absent parent’s pay goes towards adminsitration costs. Surely there’s got to be a better and more affordable way of doing things if that is true?
Correct me if I’m wrong about anything I watch from a safe distance.
my husband has an ex who never took her pill (yes i know it takes two, but in a committed relationship theres meant to be trust) she found out she was pregnant and emptied his flat when he went to work and she has been on benefits for 5 years. she lives in a different city and has contacted the csa to get money from my husband. i have a 3 year old with my hubby and i fail to see how a scumbag like that receives my family’s money????? its disgusting as he has never seen the child and when he was in her area workin she phoned the police without even speakin to him its lassies like that who give us respective mothers a bad name. if anyone has any advice on how to screw this bitch over let me know
I am currently considering leaving my current partner who refuses to work and has forced me into working myself into illness to pay the mortgage. I have two jobs and work 6 days a week, I also am a part time carer for my Grandad, I still fit in the time to b a good dad to my son who is 2.
If I kick this sponging cow out, I want joint custody. Can anyone advise me how I can avoid massive CSA payments? I will be left with the mortgage and all the bills and I have lots of debts on credit cards and loans after having to completely support her expensive lifestyle and demands. She would just move into her Mums, who is just as bitter and poisonous. Do the CSA take into account everything you have to pay out including cc payments and fuel etc??
Many thanks. Oh and Karen or whatever your name is, why dont you FUCK off this page as you are not welcome. Women today are predominantly vile selfish greedy bitter creatures who want al of the perks of an old fashioned relationship but none of the downfalls.so go and take your bitter words somewhere where they will be heard like down the toilet or some pathetic ‘feminist’ split ass group site.
i have been summoned 2 court by the csa 4 the sum of £5188 but i had already paid my ex back in nov 2003 the sum of £60,000 as a one of payment with a tr1 land registry on my property. 2 stop her going the csa but what do u know she still went 2 them and they say we dont care we only care about taxable earnings!!! so i said ok am a selfemployed company director and earned £5255 a year and sent them my statement of accounts from my chartered accountants and tax office and they said we no u company directors can hide money they would say that becuse it would mean me only paying £5.00 a week maintenance and £5.00 arrears and they dont want that so they want 2 take my driving licence away or a warrant of commitment 2 prison!!! tell me there is some justice in these country
sorry to hear that young man. there is no justice, just people who make you feel guilty for not taking care of your child. well that’s what they want you to think, so you will pay and pay and pay until you realize it was for nothing. please don’t fall for the moral judgment people place on you.
you have to be selfish and cut the moral part out. i can only advise you to check out this site http://www.deadbeatdadsassociation.co.uk/.
its purely for non resident parents, they can not commit you to prison, they have to show your not willing to pay. just pretend you are willing to pay but can not afford it, they can not throw you in prison if you can not afford it.
What a load of wankers you all are. I hope your children will want nothing to do with you. You are all selfish pricks
ADVICE- just been to court for not paying and having arears of some £20,000.
they threaten the jail and driving licence trick ( only if u refuse to pay)
Im self employed and as such my accounts show i earn hardly fuck all (;-0)
I offered £10 per week they werent happy but hey ho cant do nothing cos thats all i have free (my cigs allowance on the form was £40) which they said should pay csa and thats where £10 came from.
didnt refuse to pay so they cant enforce prison or licence just said i was skint.
the rest well a bit of juggling and not been so honest and my real money is safe.
dont let the bastards scare u.
and just for those on the moral high ground.
i left my ex with everything house car etc i left with 5 black bags…..
my kids have a good life better than mine in comfort with good clothes etc …my money the last time a paid went on a new car for the ex….(i dont think thats fair and that sure as hell aint happening this time)
if the money went direct to the kids then i wouldnt be so bothered it doesnt thats the problem.
good job, dude… they can not send you to prison. if you pay what you can afford. don’t let them have yr money ,all you are is a bank. an easy bank to get money out of. forget the moral ground. don’t even think like that anymore its a waste of life, look at all the men who have been and done that, got them no where but homeless and on the streets.
if u have to go court again and they threaten jail and stuff say to the judge “you wont a trial by jury” it is your right.! you can not pay what you can not afford, he will then back down these people have been putting people in prison illegally over the past few years and no one knows about this unfair treatment to men who can not afford to pay, even if they can still does not warrent prison.
keep your money safe for your self don’t let these cock suckers suck your money out for there end of year party and new expensive clothes for your x we all know she was living of your money
good job
to any guys out there worried and stressed about the shite the csa throw….dont be …….i spent a while trawling the net and looking up information, didnt understand it all but helps your confidence and makes u realise your not alone and there are ways to deal with the csa. Dont believe anything the csa says or writes and ur on a winner…….they use scare tactics and misleading information from start to finish….
in court there legal guy was all mr nice to my face….and comments like we dont want to send you to prison we just want to get a resolution in getting the money back……
and dont think u have to do anything illegal to get a result ….just some clever thinking and a little twisting of the facts…….just like they do….words can mean very different things depending on how they are used
just some facts from my case….
its taken the csa 10 years to eventually take me to court.
they issued 3 liability orders for three amounts
they never and still havent responded to my data release request – action in progress
bailiffs have been round before but i sent them away – never came back
i used a duty solicitor in court no expensive legal rep.
Tony
I understand where you’re coming from. However, I’ve been waiting for the CSA to get some money from my ex for 14 years without success. Attachment of Earnings so he left his job and has been self employed ever since. Three liability orders in place but nothing. He makes no attempt to see the kids who are now old enough to draw their own conclusions about their dad.
From what I can see the CSA make easy targets of the NRPs who are willing to support their kids and lots of effort if the money they get in goes to the Secretary of State.
Being a single parent was never my plan, I didn’t CHOOSE to bring the kids up on my own. Because my ex has done everything to avoid supporting his children I’ve had my house repossessed and had to take a second job – I’ve worked 7 days a week for the last 11 years meaning that I’ve lost out on so much time with the kids when they were growing up. Not all women are money grabbing, lazy bitches, some of us just want a bit of financial support from the absent parent.
I am in total agreement that the CSA are not fit for purpose though.
I happen to work for the CSA.
Flint – have you ever heard of the saying that it is better to keep your mouth shut and have the world think you are an idiot than to open it and confirm everybody’s suspicions?
As regards working without paying – we will catch up with you in the end. And then you will have to pay. Before you say that debts can’t be enforced after 6 years – wrong – this debt will go to your estate once you die.
House seizures are a reality now – not a myth. I know that because I made a referral for one which was taken.
As for self employed directors who claim minimum wage PAYE and then pay themselves in dividends to avoid paying maintenance – you will have a rather nasty shock when there is a massive bill sent your way following a variation or departure for dividend income and/or lifestyle inconsistencies.
My best result so far? A gentleman who claimed he earned not a penny but paperwork summoned from his accountant including his tax return showed he earned over £50,000 a year. What happened to him? He’s now got a criminal record.
The fact is that we attempt to be fair, but if there is deliberate avoidance then there is every reason for hardball treatment.
So, flint, be ready for that knock on the door from the bailiffs.
to susan
how the hell do you attempt to be fair ?? you seem highly satisfied that you put nr parents in debt, take their homes & leave them with no money to pay out on their own homes you dont even take their circumstances into consideration & how much money they have coming in as long as the GOOD old CSA get enough money for the exs it does not matter to you of how they will manage them selfs and most of these children and exs are living in luxury i dont blame the nr parent for packing work in thats the only way most men can keep a roof over their heads after what the CSA take from them a month !
and you all at the CSA love the threat of the bailiffs along with the rest of the threats you say to the nr parent your all so big and clever knowing the nr parent as not got a chance in hell against you but if they threatened you , you’d press charges against them hope it makes you happy leving these men not knowing which way to turn or what to do or even suicidal !!!!!!
nice one (flint above) good luck to you mate
hope they dont catch up with you keep the idiots running. wish i could do the same but they got me on an attachment on my wages didnt know anything about it !! they wrote to me once on the 10th july 2010 then told me they wrote to me twice before but cannot produce the letters saying they would have to type them up again, in other words they never wrote in the first place pack of lies,then they told me they had a telephone conversation with me!! we dont have a land line & only my wife as a mobile so when asked if i could have the number they rang to speak to me they said we cannot disclose that infomation !! they are LIARS iv never had a telephone conversation with them !!
and also take 350 a month off me so it leaves me & my wife struggling we dont know what to do or where to go for advice csa wont drop the payments and wont take into consideration that we have out goings of 900 pound a month so we are left 300 pound in debt every month but the csa tell us that not our problem !!
YES IT IS THEIR PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE CREATED IT they should take into account nrp parents out goings before deciding how much to take out of their wages !!!! and passing the money to the exs ,along with the child benifit ,child tax crdits and no doubt working tax credits and no doubt the live in partners full time wage!!! lets face it the exs & the kids are WELL TAKEN CARE OF !! ITS NRP THAT SUFFERS
not all residents parents are fat money grabbing sluts as flinty so nicely put it!!!
me and the ex came up with a more fair to him finacial agreement to which he used it as a weapon against me every month!! the agreement was £150 PCM ive received a grand total of £450 in 17 months!! just goes to show dnt it!!!
he told me to go to the CSA so i did, now the wanker is claiming he has left his employment just to get out of paying, claiming JSA while working on the side and thinks its funny!
she is his child just as much as mine, he has chosen not to c her.
I DID NOT PLAN HER ON MY OWN, MAKE HER ON MY OWN YET I WORK FULL TIME, CARE FOR HER ON MY OWN AND PAY FOR HER ON MY OWN!!!
yet I do agree the csa take too much from the NRP hence the reason they run and dnt wanna pay!
well i hope all you men wake up 1 day and c its the kids who r suffering, u all should be castrated!
an average child cost £150,000 to bring up from birth to the age of 18.
150,000/18 = £8333
£8333/12 = £694
for those narrow minded selfish idiots who obiviously didnt finish school the last figure is the monthly figure a child costs!!!
acording to the above SCUM a innocent man who dosent want to pay white man tax is allowing his kids to suffer DONT MAKE UP FILTHY LIES
the womans on benefits the mans money i.e payment goes to the goverment not the up keep of a child or more the woman gets a £10 top up on her benefits SO HOW IS NOT PAYING THE CSA making kids suffer thats ether a mental woman or agoverment troll making DUMB posts like that CSA has nothing to do with child care its 100% a stelth tax on males prefebly white THAT IS PROVEN FACT
why does a childs life ALLWAYS come to money with woman and the goverment £££$$$$ total BS
why carnt a father go to the cvhild with food clothing and other such up keeps
OHHHHH NO WE CANNOT HAVE THAT CAN WE ITS ALL ABOUT THE £££££££££££
there is no conection to child povety and non payment of CSA in existence !!!!!
if you want to avoud this sexist taxation it is easy follow the advice i will now give you !!!!
imply your a woman hater imply your a risk to children PRESTO BECAUSE A CHILD OR WOMAN OR ANYPONE FOR THAT MATTER CANNOT BE PUT IN DANGER they cannot chase you it would be putting people at risk(not real risk your not really going to kill them or something) you PRETEND your a head case PRESTO your case is closed
learn how the corrupt system works then use a loop hole LIKE I JUST EXPLAINED TO YOU WINK
To the original poster, Gemma (you sound like a right lazy bitch) and susan who works at CSA; how do you like these apples? 🙂 *He says with a smirk as he has done this already and it works perfectly fine thankyou very much!*
Here are you’re answers on avoiding the CSA:
1) Get your work to put you on a contract; pay yourself the full amount so your not lying about your income minus EVERY EXPENSE YOU ARE ABLE TO REDUCE YOUR TAX BILL FOR ..the csa work on your NET salary not gross at the current time of writing ..
The following expenses are listed as excemptions in CSA booklet CSL102
You will need:
-A good umbrella company (there are many google it) can help you…
-A job or employer willing to pay you Umbrella or Self employed and willing to let you handle your own tax affairs
Expenses include:
-Car payments/Lease if you travel for work
-Petrol
-Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner
-Equipment costs up to £1000 per year
-Training costs up to £1000 per year
Lets say you earn £500 per week in your contract; your expenses can EASILY be made to look like £350 or more of this quite legally, you only pay tax on the remainder and therefore all the csa can calculate you on is £150 per week net. Off to a good start 🙂
2) Apply for a variation; make sure you live as far away as possible. Don’t live that far away? No problem. Get a PO-BOX on a light user scheme, this doesn’t cost much, all correspondance will be sent in writing to and from there; Apply for a change of circumstances and ask for booklet CSL102 (they wont want to give it to you but have to if you ask for it)
This details all the valid expenses and things you can deduct.
So far by doing the above; you have told no lies and not broken any rules. just used the CSA’s own documentation for your own ends..
I ended up paying CSA £22 a week using this method whilst earning over £500 per week!
Is this still too much for you? Well i support my daughter in other ways; i have shares for her, money put aside for when she is 18 and wants to buy a house or get her first car; or pay for university even!!
As a contractor, All the other items are tax deductible, this legitimately reduces the amount of income CSA have to calculate your income on.
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Option 2: – want to go all out – don’t want to pay a dime? Read on!
1. Rent a property in dublin; and write the CSA a letter informing them you have left the country (Postmark from Ireland so you actually need to go!!)
2. quit you’re job or ask for unpaid leave for a few weeks, get a p45 and forward it with the letter.
3. Agree with work before you do this that you need time out for personal circumstances; and dont want to be liable for NI whilst you are away; but want to return to work at a later date.
4. Do NOT Tell them the true reason for you wanting a P45 or a month off! as they will more than likely refuse;
5. After the storm is blown over, and the CSA case is closed; return to the UK a free man. you again are under no obligation to inform either your ex, or the CSA that you have returned. You are NOT a criminal and they do not have the right to keep tabs on you
You are under no obligation to inform the csa where your new job is either when you leave for ireland; or when you return to the UK, only that your old one has ended.
Additionally; getting a payrise? got one already? you don’t have to inform the CSA of this. additionally they cant backdate this payrise; so if you get one.. Keep it quiet; pay up on time and they will very rarely question you and dont be stupid; if you want to buy a new car; keep the old one for that trip to the ex’s!!
Option 3:
Perform a swindle – (Works if your company isnt really based in the UK)
-Contact someone in Ireland and ‘rent a room’
-Visit ireland and stay for a week (use your work holiday time)
-Send the CSA a letter from Ireland, stating you’ve movedo ut of their durastiction and send them the companies house reg’d company number you work for.
They will see it is registered in another country and both you and they will be under no obligation to respond to any CSA letters sent.
Request for the case to be closed and wait a few weeks;
-Again return to the UK a free man when the case is closed
-If they c ome after you again; repeat process and leave for Ireland once more.
When you are outside of their durastiction; you are not liable for backpay. they can NOT accrue backdated payments if you live outside of their durastiction!
For these to work you must keep your ex in the dark, as soon as that greedy PWC knows your back in the UK they can re-ring the CSA and have to open a new case ..
ON another note… the CSA will hate this; as everytime they will have to go through the process of opening a new case everytime, and that can take months.!!
Nice 🙂 Happy hunting — and SHUT UP PWC’s- i am merely answering this dude’s question; Don’t be a fool and get played; just wise up and play the system within the rules and they can’t do you !
Forgot to mention :: £22/£500 = 4.4%
Thats a damn shyte cheaper than the ripoff 15%!
I have just tried to get the form CSL 102, got the run around and now they tell me that they have not heard of it as most on their booklets start in the 300’S any help
please, any one a got a copy i can use or where i can get it off the internet please?
I just need help and dont know what to do?
My story i know some people will say its all my fault and i agree in some off it but not to blame for all of it.. I have 5 children to three different women.
I have a 13yr old who i have been paying since 2002 from attachment from earning. But i have large amount of arreas as i never knew she was mine as it was a one nite stand. Got in touch with her mother and fella they said they just want the money… Told the csa they said its there problem got to go through the courts but with know money find it hard.
Second child was married to the mother she wanted me to buy her old council house and put it in her name said no put it in joint names as we are married. Well say no more but we are not together as thats all she wanted.
Have three other children to my ex splet up after having no help leaving the forces see my children 15nites a month informed the csa and they keep reassing my situation everytime but having no answers they say i owe £19683 arreas. They have attachment from earnings again but they take large amounts of my wages know i dont mind paying but how do they expect me to live as they take this mont £790 leaving me not alot as they dont take rent out of it. This kills me as its my lads birthday and i cant afford to buy him ANYTHING.
I have asked for a statment of how much i have paid as surly this is not wrong of me asking. Im sure a an agancy they will have documents stating how much i have paid and when… This aint a sob story just want help on how to reduce my arreas as they say i have to pay it off over two years but my children are suffering and the agancy put so much pressure on me its killing me slowly.
Can anyone help me please Thanks
TO ANDY ****
I will scan and upload CSL102 for you tomorrow – send me a mail address and the copy is yours
Just to reconfirm, i live in the UK, earn a decent salarty and pay no CSA. as long as my ex doesn;t know — then im a free man!
the secret to this is to keep everyone in the dark
To AARON
Sounds like ure in deep fella
In my opinion; your best off leaving the country for a few months and letting the cases close
this wont pay off any arrears you owe; but it will prevent them coming after your wages whilst you save up a buffer.
if your coming back dont be a fool and TELL THEM OR YOUR EX that you are back; the arrears cant resume that way. you’ll owe them but the csa will think their unenforcable due to you being outside of their durastiction.
My advice: if your gonna come back to the uk; make sure your not working for a UK company;
get a job you can do remotely; dont tell the csa when you get back
my heart goes out to your kids you sound like a great dad; like me this evil company has persecuted you to the point of desperation
Take a stand and best of luck!!
Lets have your views please
A one night stand 10 yrs ago and hey presto a girl now after 10 yrs she has now gone to the CSA and it looks like i will have to pay £270 a month!!!
I have a lovely lad with my wife who I love very much and been with 16 years and she knows of this child
I cant afford the money but hey they dont care…..
Thoughts????
My god, the country really is on it’s knees. To think that our grandparents went to war to defend this? A load of shameless, worthless, dead beats who sit around blaming everyone else for their misfortune, meanwhile it’s only the future generation who will suffer. Well done – what a legacy to pass on. Your ancestors would truly be proud.
Ps – well done to the US judge who jailed a dead beat dad for 4 YEARS this week for failing to pay child support, let’s hope this new government take a look across the pond. I will certainly be lobbying Parliament for it……..
Theres not really much choice! If your a honenst person who wants to work and wants to do the right thing these bloodsucking parasites will take you for every little penny you have regardless of your outgoings!
They are very one sided, usually for the PWC, rude, obnoxious, misleading and very threatening and intimidating.
Usually supplying a constant stream of YOUR hard earned wages to some fat, bennefit grabbing, Jeremy kyle watcher who thinks that for some reason they are entitled to a percentage of your wages because they cant be arsed to get a job and provide for the child!
I know this first hand and would not wish these people on my worst enemy!
I do believe that a child should be supported and I have always paid my child maintanance privatly until THE POISONOUS DWARF found out she could get more through them.
Another example of a money grabbin,good for nothing (but breeding more kids) selfish mother who would rather pay for driving lessons that clothe her children properly!!
Cut a long story short try and resolve it privately, if not then you might have to jump in the boat with the rest of us!!!
I must say that I was quite inspired by Flints comments
i have been with my partner 3 year and we have a 9 month old baby! a few months before we got togther he slept with a complete skanky tramp of a hoe who calls herself a woman!! ….. the parasite told him she was taking the pill ( i also know my partner was totally thick as pigshit for not using something) and 6 months ago he gets a letter from the csa demanding payments for a child he had assumed was someone elses as she was in a reltionship!! after a dna the child has been proved to be his!!! and we have recently gone into debt consolidation trying to pay her and the child she decided to bring into this world!! i have a child from a previous realtionship that didnt work out i have never asked for a penny off her dad he see’s his daughter 2 nights and a full day a week and clothes and feeds her during his time which i am grateful of !! the decision to have my daugher and my son was a joint one in both relationships unfortunatley one didnt work out!!……….. where the hell is the mans right when it comes to being a father!!! i know people will say wear a condom but that isnt 100 percent either.. are people going to start saying dont have sex with a persdn unless you want a baby or unless u want a couple of hundred quid leaving ur bank account every month!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we did refused to pay but csa just docked it straight from my partners wage!! no1 else has that kind of right to go through works payroll!! not even debt collectors etc why do the csa and money grabbing bitches have this high power!!! i have seen the girl with this child and she is a shit mum to and has had her boobs done with our money ………. she should of got her face sorted first
flint??…this question is for you………….
What happens when my partner tells me that ‘im the one’,wants me to move in and wants a child with me???…..what happens when i finally fall pregnant after 2yrs of trying and he is over the moon!!! He then starts thinking of baby names and rushes out to buy paint for babies room….. Then BANG…Arter 3months he kicks me out with nothing to my name!!!!
Is it ok for him to buy hiself really expensive clothes and numerous pints of beer every weekend while im pregnant and HOMELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I DONT THINK IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!! SO YER FIRST THINGS FIRST IM GOONA HIT HIM HARD WHERE IT HURTS,……C S A!! And the fact that my child will be supported!!!!!!!!!!!!!! x
And to those that condemn the dads……
Most and yes i mean most woman see the csa as an easy money earner…not about the kids its more about they want easy money for an easy life regardless of the effects and its not about giving the kids a better life, it means they can pay a babysitter so they can go out and get legless….
or a new car…..or a holiday…..
There are a few that are genuine and to those i support cos its the selfish money grabbers that give the genuie struggling parents a bad stereotype….
If the system was fair and people treated fair then the csa would get far more respect and response.
But there not and thats not going to change under any of the governments…
Oh, bloody buggery sodbricks! I just spent ages typing what was in all modesty a great post, and my computer stuffed up! I shall try again…..
Im shocked how bad some dads can be lol and i though my ex was bad.
You complained that girls get pregnate just to get csa but if you were as clever as you think you would use a condom….
I was in a solid relationship before i fell pregnat and by the time we split up we had 2 boys he claims he loves them and wants to spend time with them, i agree with them even because his kids need him too but everytime csa tracks him down on his new job,he quits and gets a new one.So tell me is this fair???? Us mums need to feed them dress them treat them an be there for them “happy to do it” if not the social will thake them from us, so y should i let him see them,i do feel guilty from doing it but why should he get it easy and get all of the bennefits of being a parent if he doesnt act like one. AS for you FLINT i think it would be better if you stayed out of their lifes and dont let them see the piss of shit that you are or just kill yourself and do them a favour… thats the best way to avoid paying…
To Gemma
£694 a month to keep a child!!
Wow, I have 3 children so that means it should cost me £2082 per month just for them, then all my bills etc on top!!
Guess what, I don’t earn that amount of money each month, pay for a mortgage, food, bills etc. and my kids are very well provided for thankyou very much.
It is this kind of ridiculous figure that is banded about that makes PWC’s think that they are entitled to it!!
I work my butt off to provide for my kids, they stay over regularly each week, I have no problems providing for them. I was married to their mother for 7 years before she decided to have an affair, yet I am the one paying for it financially!!
She is sitting pretty in her Council House, with all the benefits under the sun, goes on holiday 3 times a year (usually to Spain), all on the back of my CSA payments!! I can’t afford a holiday abroad, let alone a break in this country with the kids. (oh by the way, she goes with her friends whilst I have the kids!)
I love my children more than the world, but my CSA payments DO NOT benefit them.
The CSA needs to be shut down, and quickly.
Only sure way is to move abroad and I mean out of this fuckries Babylonian shitstem cos they could probs still get at you in the EU – I’m thinkin’ Cuba