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Despite my case being closed three years ago, I’m still owed a lot of money
My case was closed just under 3 years ago but Im still owed a lot of money for my children.
There were court papers in the CSA name against my ex for this. I want to be able to change the name into mine so I can take him to court – he has the money and always did, which they know, but he has managed to lie his way through everything. He put me in debt to support my children – no I dont smoke or drink or buy clothes, etc., I work and always have.
Any help would be appreciated, only genuine people please thanks
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@ Alice just to clear something up, my husband has always paid for his kids, never missed, it wasn’t enough so his went to the csa, she wanted birthday/Christmas/maintainance money all in one go, telling her we couldt afford it all together made her mad, she went to csa thinking she would get more, she did tell lies, her case laid dormant for many years, unused but unclosed, she claimed never to have had a penny till we provided bank statements, she was mad at us sending the evidence and it had to be recalculated, because of this access we stopped, its all about the money with some PWC, so don’t you ever say my hubby has been made to pay for his child, he has done since the day she was born, and still to this day has, how dare you make your own mind up and judge, its called double standards, my ex doesn’t pay yet my hubby who has always paid get stung by his ex,s lies and half his wage taken, now is that fair??????? Not all NRP are the same my hubby was heartbroken when his access was stopped and the csa have admitted they told her to cut access she would get more in the assessment, seeing his daughter every weekend, every day after work then her mum moved her away that was that, Pete isn’t angry and biased, he is my husband by the way
lisa:- Why do you think it wrong for people to make their minds up about you and judge when you do it constantly on this site, especially about PWCs who complain about not getting payments. Not only that but you indulge in childish name calling and abuse.
That explains a lot Pete and Lisa. Again double standards in what your statement is above, read it again.
@ Wilf, Are we not entitled to opinion???? yes its called free speech, I don’t lie when I say the agency is not fit for purpose, As for childish name calling, im not the only lisa nor person who has childish rants am I not on the site??? just to clear that up, this site is here for ranting about CSA is it not??
@ Karen, I think you will find I took on board what you said earlier on, Has anything else been said in regards to you personally,
lisa:- Rant about the CSA as much as you like, the government itself recognises it is not for service which is why it is being wound down.
But your abuse of people who come on here to complain is frequently beyond the pale often without foundation and plain rude.
It shows you up as being a very prejudiced person.
I have followed your posts long enough to know that you are consistently the worst offender.
You have a right to free speech but with that comes the responsibility not to abuse that freedom or one may lose it, as happened it Soviet Russia.
Childish behaviour from any adult is always abhorrent.
@ wilf justified comment, I let my emotions and opinions run away sometimes, , being a woman comes with the territory seriously after what that place have put my family through, nearly ripping my marriage apart by the lies they told, im justified to have an opinion that is strong, abhorrent is not a word I like to use, personally I think bitchy explains things much clearer I do see exactly the same comments from other people on this page who have the same opinion, I cant be the only one wrong can I?????
I would appreciate an apology for the abuse you have given me and if you sent me an email can you just let me know when so I can look back, as maybe I didnt see it, thanks.
ok Lisa – so further contradictions from you
Previously you said in 1999 it was a legal obligation to open a case with CSA if you were claiming JSA (which would have been ISA with Single Parent element at the time) so you were claiming benefit and had to have a claim, if that was true then the money would have gone to SoS to pay back the benefit you were claiming. Now you are saying that the money would have come direct to you because you were working – so either you are lying about either being on benefit or working or you were doing both and committing benefit fraud – which is it?
Double standards – you rant and attack on here to people who are using the CSA to take money from their ex when their ex has moved on and started a new partner etc, yet you now reveal that you chased your ex via the CSA when he had moved on and had children to another woman – how did you expect him and his new family to survive if you were taking part of his money?
Inaccuracy – if your husband ‘had a deo slapped on him’ then this is in effect being ‘made to pay’ by the CSA – if he was making regular payments to the agency, and in the payment method set up, there would be no arrears, nor would there have been the need for the agency to impose a DEO – and the DEO would not be for ‘half his wages’ as the max the agency can take is 40% of his net income, simple maths says ‘half’ is 50%. And on this matter there is another contradiction – you stated earlier that your husband had a DEO slapped on him within 3 weeks of the case being opened yet now you say the case was open for years.
@ Pete – the simple reason I do not use my own name on here is for personal safety reasons – when on sites like these you encounter people like your wife who are bitter and malicious. People who will do whatever they can to identify a person and seek revenge – she has, in case you do not already know, made attempts to obtain my IP address with a view to identifying my location, her intention I understand was to identify me and report me to my employers,who’s to say that she, or someone like here would not take it one step further and locate my home address and compromise the safety of me and my family? There are nut jobs out there who have attacked CSA staff in the street, thrown bricks at their houses and attacked their cars.
As for Lisa being allowed an opinion – yes of course you are , but so is everyone else. If you voice your opinion against the agency and the govt then fine – you don’t do that tho, you attack people personally, resort to childish behavior like name calling, get together with a few other bitter vindictive people in closed groups and conspire against others, and now you run and get your husband to come on when usual supporters are not here to back you up. You argue points against others with facts and points of law when you really do not know what you are talking about and when someone with some knowledge dares to correct what you have said you get all wound up and start spitting venom.
Perhaps it’s time to grow up and stop acting like a spoiled child.
Just wonder now if we can put some of our differences to bed.
I dont like name calling or personal insults as I dont think I justify any of that as you do not know me or my situation. I express my opinion and views like you do, but I dont personally call you names or attack you unless Im provoked.
As Alice said the system is wrong for everyone and we need to get that in context.
Ive had my fair shares of rows with the CSA but now find they have trying to help me. Im prepared to give people a change – like I did my ex many times – but that was a hopeless case and always would be so had to give up.
I hope we can all accept the fact we have been done wrong and swearing/name calling etc isnt going to get us anywhere, but trying to help one another might.
Well Karen, I agree with you on this one, yes the system is all wrong,
@ Alice, in response to your answer, its for safety reasons and to keep your family safe, Tell me, So its ok to keep you family safe but when the CSA financialy rape an NRP to the point were they are financialy unsafe, tell me whats the difference, If the CSA Staff spoke to people like human beings and not take sides then maybe just maybe as you say ( attacks on staff, car being damaged) It still does not give the right for any staf memebr to reat any NRP like something at the bottom of ther shoe, As one staff memebr told a NRP once to jump off a bridge, I dont use a false name, But yet you do, And yes it would not surprise me if you dig for evidence for indidviduals on the QT, And is it alright for staff of the agencey to attack protestors outside a CSA office and verbally abuse them, No its bloody not, See what this boils down to is double standards, The CSA does not give a toss about any NRP,
@ Karen, yes I totally agree with you, and the email sent to you was through facebook check your “others” box,
@ Alice Back in 99 I was claiming job seekers or whatever it was called back then, I was out of work for a matter of 2 weeks, jobs back then were easy to find, maybe you didt know that because maybe your not that old!!! secondly im not the only lisa who frequents this page so please don’t mix me up with others, the only thing I have put on here is fact, Also I don’t hide behind a name and only reply to other people who I claim to help, yes I do help a lot of NRP because as you have said the system is wrong and not fit for purpose, your words, Some NRP have been wronged over the years and still its going on, its not fair and as an equal country we should as people with feelings be treated as equals, you say above single parent element, what the hell are you talking about,
my hubby has brought my daughter up since being a baby both financially and emotionally did you miss that bit!!! Yes seems your mixing me up with other people on this page, maybe you need to get your facts straight please before firing questions at me because seems you have no idea what you are talking about,
@ Karen yes we have all at one time or another got hot headed and called and sworn, Alice if you had read things properly you would have seen the case of my husbands had lain dormant for many years, yet his ex wife was rubbing her hands together thinking she could get more, nobody knew the case had been left open and this has been questioned, Yet you still im contradicting myself???? As for you remaining safe its within your staff code of conduct bans you from using forums as this using a fake name or not,
So Alice just explain why you come on this forum, Do you get a kick out of it in which case it is sad.
Do you feel your advice helps people? if so why do the CSA not publish advice and have a transparent and open process? Sad they do not.
Are you paid by the CSA to paper over the cracks? Sad business.
Alice you do not answer when the questions get tough and mention law breaking by your employers, Sad you pick and choose.
Whatever it is you are a Sad person. and untill you have been through what many have on here your attacks and comments are not helping anyone. Please understand massive injustice is happening and you reap what you sow, So do not be suprised when your comments get the impact they do.
@ Alice,
Am I the only person called lisa that uses this page and has the very same opinion that I do, nope im not!!!! seems your stringing the whole lot together and assuming that’s me, Its about time you helped everybody instead of PWC because they are easy cases, people have asked you numerous times on here out of desperation and because of who they are NRP you have ignored them and moved on, People on this page are very opinionated regarding the csa and its justified, Your attacks on people are not justified, Your code of conduct states you must at all time remain unbiased, You have to remain fair to both parties whether it be the PWC or NRP and you must not have a personal reason for getting involved for any case, The fact that you use this group to air your own views is wrong, The fact that you frequent facebook groups just to help PWC is also wrong, its about time you stood back and took a long hard look at the people screaming out for help instead of thinking Oh its only a man who should pay for his children, that’s bang out of order and you should be ashamed
@ Stuart, Thank god i have some one whom realises, the questions i have put to Alice, are never ansewerd as the questions get to tough, Yes and i also to feel that untill you have beeen a process that is unjust, law breaking, The truth is alice it stipulates in the agency code of conduct that no staff will enage in any forum 9 or word to those effect) So i rest my case Alice you have breached the code of conduct, And as for the comments made to you they are truly justifed,
I do think that attacking Alice about your own personal cases is that going to help as she doesnt have to try and help people but she was taken the time out to do this.
I just think if we can try and have a civil debate about things with one another might help.
As I said I had rows and shouted at the CSA and was correspondence only once because of it, because of the frustration I had over the whole thing.
But I also found some CSA caseworkers who were helpful and tried to help me.
I think its lack of experience that shows this.
So can I just ask if we can try and be civil to one another now and yes that includes Alice because maybe she might be able to help you with your cases but while you constantly abuse her, its not getting the help you need.
Would you come on here with the abuse if you worked for the CSA? I doubt it, nor would I, so I take my hat off to someone who is trying to help – Alice is not the CSA she works for them and has to go by their rules whether she likes it or not. Lets try and remember that and maybe we can try and get further with our cases – its the government have set this up that didnt realise how many people would work the system and the ones who didnt, have suffered for it.
Thanks.
Karen
Alice would have my respect IF she answered all questions, The fact she picks and chooses is a concern as are her motives, What would make her want to come on here unless she gets a kick out of the misery her employers cause, check her responses she shifts blame at every comment to the poster, it is never the CSA who are at fault. Rules made by the government she is happy to quote but Laws made by the government she shys away from. Ask yourself why would she come on here? bearing in mind she is breaching the terms of her employment by doing so.
@ Karen, we all agree the whole thing is not fit for purpose, that’s clearly evident and this page wouldt be needed if the CSA did work, As for Alice, the true fact remains she is very biased towards helping the PWC and never stops to think how her answers are affecting other people, She cant help with our complaint its gone to high up for that now, the help was needed months ago and were still at this stage looking for answers,
We all know the CSA is a system that doesn’t work, its not fit for purpose and until a full overhaul is done nothing will change, The suffering of many people will continue, As much as I try to help people with regards to the csa they are a law unto themselves,
As you can see above she states alsorts that she has absolutely no idea about and has evidentially mixed my story up with other peoples, im not the only woman called lisa who comes on here but no matter how many times she gets told the same thing over and over she attacks things and makes things up along the way, I can now see why people never get anywhere within the CSA with an attitude like hers it shows they have disregard for anybody that doesn’t abide by there rules, maybe she needs to take a long hard look at ther staff code of conduct which clearly states under the secrets act that she banned from frequenting forums and social networking sites, She isn’t helping anybody, the only thing she is doing is having a laugh at us all at our expense, that in itself is called trolling
stuart:- Perhaps some people feel that if rules used by the CSA are clarified then those dealing with them will better understand what they are dealing with and be more able to fight their corner whether PWC or NRP.
If this is seen as spouting or siding with the CSA then that is in in the eye of the beholder.
If the rules or procedures do not suit it is no good fulminating at those who work for the CSA, they do not make the rules or design the procedures. You must approach Parliament through your local MP.
@ Karen, just to add, Nobody knows exactly who Alice is, whether be male or female, as we all know it goes by a fake name on many of the sites, and I think that’s what makes people more wary, Anybody who feels they have to go by a fake name cannot be trusted, its just more deceit as we all know the CSA get A* for,
stuart:- Perhaps some people feel that if rules used by the CSA are clarified then those dealing with them will better understand what they are dealing with and be more able to fight their corner whether PWC or NRP.
So then why do the CSA not publish and have a clear and open policy published?
Why do NRP’s not recieve an annual statement like you would a credit card or bank statement.
Alice “helps” when it suits and when blame can be shifted to people unaware how the CSA operates, The whole process is designed to decieve. For my own humble opinion I believe Alice as it calls itself is paid to come on here and divide opinion. She is doing a decent job, but what she is doing is not in her job description and is breaching her contract if i am wrong.
stuart:- Its sometime since I dealt with them, mainly CS1, but I do remember lots of booklets available from the CSA explaining assessments, ways to pay, what to do if paternity disputed, etc. These must have been attempts to explain and clarify rules and procedures.
The CSA have admitted they do not have a guide when I asked the question.
You have to find out the hard way.
I agree with Pete, that this sytem is wrong, and Karen has every right to say what she thinks (as the website suggests).
This shambolic system has been imposed on non resident parents, without consulting them. It’s interference in a persons private family life whichever way you look at it.
Having your life and finances controlled by a bunch of pen-pushing amateurs breeds resentment, as they make mistake after mistake, and nrp’s pick up the debt
Having had 13 years of incompetence from the CSA, and having challenged them over many years regarding THEIR mistake, including recent mistakes, and exhausted every avenue, in attempts to be heard, I am seriously thinking of writing to the Queen.
It is her Government and Ministers, who are misleading her with regard to their treatment of her subjects. The legislation is flawed, and is causing her subjects prolonged and uneccessary stress, through continued maladministration, and it is about time that she knew how her subjects are being criminalised and demonised with regard to their own children, through politicial interference.
@Lisa – in respect of your statement about me saying that CSA is not fit for purpose – I challenge that, I have never said CSA is not fit for purpose, I have said in the past that it is impossible for the govt to pass legislation which will suit all, and I stand by that – regardless of what the issue is there will never be a legislation that fits everyone. The CSA system works for the majority of cases, and to be honest if all parties concerned did as required ie paid on time, paid the amount due, and paid in the manner that the agency instruct them and reported changes as and when they occurred, declared everything accurately and truthfully there would be a lot less hassle.
I accept that you may not be the only Lisa on this site but your posts are very distinctive, in general most people tend to use certain phrases and words so it’s not difficult to identify posts from certain individuals. In most threads started by a PWC where they are having problems you are generally one of the first people to respond and in the majority of cases the replies contain the same comments – many of them abusive.
To refer back to the issue of your case as a PWC – if you claimed benefit in 1999 when you were unemployed for 2 weeks:_
a – if you claimed benefit whereby you named a child on the claim then there would have been a single parent element awarded – if however it was a joint claim with your new partner then there would not have been any single parent element.
b. if you only claimed for 2 weeks and then the claim was closed you then had no legal obligation to keep the keep your CSA case open, but from what you have said you did so for 10 years and provided information on your ex to assist the agency in securing maintenance for you. In this respect I stand by my previous statement regarding double standards – you are abusing people on here for expecting their NRP’s to support their children and/or supplying information to the CSA to assist them in locating NRPs to secure payments when you did exactly that as a PWC yourself.
I appreciate the wariness of using a false name – but as I say this is purely for safety reasons.
I am not breaking any code of conduct by posting on forums such as these – if I was coming on here and slagging off CSA and/or DPW or if I was stating that I am representing the agency in my posts then that would constitute a breach, however what I post on here is information and explanation – I do so as an individual with knowledge of the rules and procedures – I do not do so as a representative of the CSA.
In response to reiterated comments that I only help PWCs and also that I pick and choose which threads I respond in – the first is totally unfounded. I have replied in various threads started by NRP’s, if you had not left the FB group that I am in after you got angry and abusive to myself and others there you would see that I have provided information to NRPs in there too. With regards to the second, yes it’s true that some threads I do not reply in sometimes that is because someone else has already posted the information I would have posted and sometimes I do not feel I could give a constructive answer – also I, like every other user of this forum,am under no obligation to reply to any post on here, if I chose to respond to a post then I will do, if I chose not to then I should not be held to task over it.
I admit that I have a major problem with you – that is based on the way you have treated me and many others on this forum, I am also aware of the vendetta you and others have started against members of the FB group I am in, including the fact that you and certain others planned to join, or join, or remain in the FB group that I am in with the intention of obtaining screen prints and/or IP addresses which you then intended to use in a campaign of name and shame. Again I consider this to be vindictive on your part as well as a clear display of double standards – you often abuse people on here and brand them as stalkers and object to others naming and shaming yet you and others are banding together in plotting and scheming in a closed group.
@ Alice,
I have been speaking to the parliamentary ombudsman service regarding the drivel you spout on these forms and the personal help you give on the facebook group I have also emailed screen shots from both the group and here to the guy who is dealing with my maladministration case, what you are doing is a sackable offense, I hope it happens, you have a problem with every NRP and his Partner or Wife, yes im very angry at the way I have been treated by CSA and so are many other people on this group, doesn’t give you the right to come on here talking about cases you know nothing about and info that is readily available on the internet
@ Alice
You might have a major problem with me, I couldt care less, the problem I have here is the fact you come here and take the mick out of people who genuinely need help, you only help the women personally on a private group n facebook, you cannot deny that, every NRP on that group has been either deleted or banned as you well know, you can check back on your posts on this site and yes you have said the CSA isn’t fit for purpose, and it doesn’t work, so yes you are slagging off your employer!!!!!
In response to reiterated comments that I only help PWCs and also that I pick and choose which threads I respond in – the first is totally unfounded. I have replied in various threads started by NRP’s, if you had not left the FB group that I am in after you got angry and abusive to myself and others there you would see that I have provided information to NRPs in there too. With regards to the second, yes it’s true that some threads I do not reply in sometimes that is because someone else has already posted the information I would have posted and sometimes I do not feel I could give a constructive answer – also I, like every other user of this forum,am under no obligation to reply to any post on here, if I chose to respond to a post then I will do, if I chose not to then I should not be held to task over it.
Oh Dear Alice by picking and choosing and using CSA rules that you quote, and ignoring the law you do leave yourself wide open i am afraid. Maybe if you showed a little empathy then people would accept your behaviour but alas you can not, any idiot who deals with the CSA knows they are corrupt, If they were open and honest and did not lie cheat and rob, it would be fine too, however they do not operate as they were meant to. hence why people avoid them. Just as you avoid threads that suggest your great agency have not done the right thing, blame the government if you will, but Nazi guards just followed orders and look what happened after the war.
Sleep well knowing all the people you help and many more who’s lives including children you have ruined. Have to live it for real not tucked behind a computer screen,.
The big point here, my husband had his wage raped every month, his ex wife lived in luxury, my ex partner never paid a penny for my daughter she is now 14 he also lived in luxury, this is all thanks to CSA, We had to struggle seriously, So while you alice think you are above the law think about what you are actually saying before opening your biased mouth
I actually dont think the term rape should be used in this context and its utterly disgusting that its used as this degrades the actual act itself on someone.
I also feel this has gone too far with the threats too.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves if this is how you conduct yourselves.
@ Karen
Nobody had posted on this thread for a while, I made my peace with you, and agreed things were left at that, alas Alice comes along and starts again, I also don’t like the term rape, but that’s the easiest way of describing what in turn was fact,
Being ashamed of myself im not in this instance, not one bad word said today, so please tell me where these arguments now instigate from ,also please tell me what I have said here that isn’t fact, apart from the fact I have reported alice, she deserves it, why everybody cant have the same help and it be unbiased is beyond me, yes whats she is doing is a sackable offense, and I hope for one it happens, she should be ashamed, there was no reason for her coming to add to this thread today, but to cause yet another war she did anyway, I should known you would stick up for your group “helper”
karen bedford on March 21st, 2013 8:43 pm
I actually dont think the term rape should be used in this context and its utterly disgusting that its used as this degrades the actual act itself on someone.
I also feel this has gone too far with the threats too.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves if this is how you conduct yourselves
There Alice you have been told I too find your behaviour a disgrace
@ Stuart
Sorry I had to burst out laughing at your reply cheered me up no end,
As I said Im sure if used this word to someone who has actually gone through that, it wouldnt be appreciated.
Read above then because dont know what you call no one posting on for a while?
Kettle and black comes to mind. Whether you apologised to me a while back – you certainly havent for what you have said by bringing my personal life into this – at least Im working. At least I can see things from both points of view and dont have to go that low to report someone, to abuse someone, to call them names or make threats.
I dont know how old you are but you need to read what you say.
stick up for your group helper – please will you grow up. Im stating that Im seen and heard from you and others, when will this stop, will you ever stop this childish behaviour.
I dont know what age or mindset Im speaking to here but obviously people with too much time on their hands!
@ Karen,
What Alice is doing is against the CSA rules, yes I have reported her for the way she dealing with only people who take her fancy, No doubt if that was me going by a fake name I would have been reported and held to account for my actions, I truly hope this is a lesson to anybody who does this, to be fair people come here for genuine help, that’s the reason for this site, She/he has no right to question anybody regarding there case, she also has no right to poke fun at people for being who they are, its wrong and immoral, I don’t care if you don’t like me, I don’t need you to like me, my life over the last few years like yours has been hell because of the CSA and this person “alice” behaviour is not justified
If anyone knows how to delete posts and your account please let me know thanks
The last post before Alice came along was just after 11 yesterday morning, so before you go telling people to grow up take a long hard look at the shite she has spouted and turned a discussion that had ceased into a 3 ring circus with us all at each others throats, You want to re think the company you keep
For gods sake will you shut up and grow up!
Sorry I didt realise you were calling the shots around here, the truth hurts, toodaloo
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Karen I am a real grown up,
what do you think Alice as it calls itself brings to this forum? bearing in mind her biased opinion?
read my comments i am not against paying for my children and have tried to do so and been ripped off.
Alice does not acknowledge this happens spouts procedures and ignores law what do you expect the responses to be?
If you can’t take the heat get out of the Kitchen.
Lisa you are childish you dont stop, you go on and on and on like a bad record, change it!
@ Karen, I could say the same about you, but actually without Alice around people are actually getting the help they need without her taking the piss, like stuart said above, if you can take the heat………………..
Will you take a good look at yourself and see how stupid you sound, get a life or get a job!
Life yeah Job yeah, full time mum also yeah, whats the point here???? Jesus woman go back to your group im sure they have lots to talk about
Well go and watch tv or better still go and get some anger management classes as you really need them!
No seriously I don’t need anger management, What starts off as a bit of fun you take so seriously, maybe if you didt eat live breath CSA then maybe you would lighten up a bit, there are other people out there that are in a much worse position than us and don’t even get help, they just suffer in silence, If alice had not commented on here earlier you would have been doing what ever it is you do, and I would have been doing other things like helping people who need it instead of wasting time replying to you,
now now ladies we are all after the same thing here i believe. kiss n make up or im telling on ya.