CSA are taking money from my ex but I haven’t received a penny

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1. Hi there can we have your permission to publish your story on our web site as we are uncovering a load of scams and corruption within this company trading as the Child Support Agency.
   Would you also allow us to use it in our talks when we set up our conferences early December?
   Our site is http://www.deadbeatdadsassociation.co.uk email [email protected]

   many thanks
   deadbeatdad

2. oooha, Deadbeats require assistance from a PWC – blooming ‘eck!

   Hi victoria,

   This is not as uncommon for a PWC as some would think.

   Are you sure the agency have actually received the monthly DEO payments from your ex’s employer?

   If they have, then you should escalate your case, by written complaint (sent signed for and keep copies of everything), clearly stating you are making a complaint, and request that they release the funds to you. Also send a copy to your local MP and request their assistance.

   If its any help, ie you get free calls from your telephone provider, let me know which office your are dealing with and I will give you their land line number.

   Your more than welcome to join us in the forum at http://www.afairercsaforall.co.uk

3. “Are you sure the agency have actually received the monthly DEO payments from your ex’s employer?

   If they have, then you should escalate your case, by written complaint (sent signed for and keep copies of everything), clearly stating you are making a complaint, and request that they release the funds to you. Also send a copy to your local MP and request their assistance.

   If its any help, ie you get free calls from your telephone provider, let me know which office your are dealing with and I will give you their land line number.”

   Hmmm leading the PWC on to the merry go round from hell, written complaints… what difference will that make? oh yes request they release the funds to you, like they are going to do that, and lets get the MP involved, they are involved with the corruption within the CSA. You can give her the land line number, why don’t you come clean and tell everybody you are working for the CSA?
   Oh by the way we are still waiting for that legal action you threatened us with

4. Quote;

   ‘why don’t you come clean and tell everybody you are working for the CSA?’

   There you go again, verbal diarrhoea and pointing the finger.

   Go on, give yourself a thrill – prove it. I’m find it all a bit dull and boring, but others may be interested in your HARD evidence 😉 – not that any will be forthcoming! ROFL

5. We are still waiting for the legal action……. and the evidence is basically there within your forum for all to see and not to see. People only have to look deep enough to work out who you are, we already have…………………..

6. Quote;
   ■deadbeatdad on November 27th, 2009 5:44 pm
   We are still waiting for the legal action……. and the evidence is basically there within your forum for all to see and not to see. People only have to look deep enough to work out who you are, we already have…………………..

   To quote others – you are misguided !

   – but if it floats your boat, to have an over active imagination, you enjoy yourself 😉

   As usual your accusation are nothing more than hot air and you have nothing what so ever to back you up.

   Obviously you have little else better to do. You should get out more, broaden your horizons…..

7. @ deadbeatdads

   I’m a bit confused here, I honestly don’t know if I am dreaming or in the real world when I read your posts. You are making an absolute fool of yourself with these ridiculous claims. At one time I would have visited your site for advice but now after reading this rubbish I prefer to stay clear of it!

   The only way we are going to get any where with the CSA is fighting TOGETHER and not against each other. Anyone with half a brain would realise that, even you. It seems you are going out your way to sabotage any united fight which leaves me pondering that it is indeed yourself which is in league with the CSA and Government.

   If not I would ask you to grow up, put your differences aside with AFCSAFA and start using your brain to see that the only way forward is for EVERYONE to come together in a UNITED FIGHT against both the CSA and Government!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8. @ whitesnake we are not trying to sabotage any body, we now have uncovered the truth what is going on within the CSA, the courts and the Government and we now have streps in place to help our members which are working a treat now, so we fail to see how you think we are sabotaging anybody.
   The usual things of writing a letter of compalints, badgering MPs is merely a paper exercise that does not work, all that ends up coming back from the MPs is I have written to the CSA and they state they are not budging from their decisions. Then what happens, you are back to square one with the CSA laughing and ploughing fathers into poverty.
   No we have the evidence that the two people in question here do not believe the corruption is taking place so how can you work together and unite with organisations (forums) that do not see what is going on. The certain memeber in question here did nothing but slate us right from when we first posting on PCF so to be honest we want nothing to do with any forum organisation that involves that person.
   It is your perogative whether you come over to our site or not, we are not forcing you nor are we only concerned about how many members we have on board, our concern is we are helping fathers and breaking the CSA and the courts, which we have managed to achieve onnumerous case which is why we are being inundated wiith calls as word of mouth is spreading.
   So we don’t have to prove anything, people just have to read what this certain person is posting to work out what they really are

9. Maurice

   You seriously have issues, perhaps you ought to visit a doctor/shrink.. Isnt Sherrie a full blown mind reader/tarot card reader/ medium/counsellor and bonefide debt managment person, Oh an isn’t she a legal expert in stat decs etc…… Surely with her bonafide degree’s/diploma’s and Gcse’s she can find a way to get rid of the lunatics in your head…. Then again she has the same crackpots in her head, don’t she…..

   Really think about your crazy rantings…. We work for the CSA?????? Please!!!!! You pair of fruitloops, why the hell would the CSA hire us troublemakers lol

   Well people make up your mind this is how deadbeat dads members are told to write to the CSA

   You decide

   from chloe of the family name chloe, I hereby declare myself by deadbeats stat decs to be a freeman- I therefore owe the company trading as the CSA NOTHING…….. LOL you bloody crackpots………

10. As an NRP in dire need of help, I sympathise with the PWC above. I have 2 children who I both support. My eldests mother went to CSA as she found it a travesty that I split the money between both of my children and as a result CSA agreed. I was hit with arrears for just one child because CSA refused to take into account my youngest child on the basis that I have a private arrangement so my youngest was not on their system.

    @deadbeatdad

    From my situation, I know all too well that the system is corrupt, unjust and needs to be changed. Having read the comments from all posters above, I can’t see where anyone has disagreed, nor has anyone said that the system is perfect.

    I took the liberty of looking at both the sites mentioned above. DBDA I can honestly say you have some good material but the one thing that comes across is you appear to be pushing heavily at non-compliance and also biased towards NRP’s. As a father who would do anything for my children, I couldn’t force myself to even consider going down that route. I want to provide the best I can for my children and find some way to stop the corruption that is going on at the same time.

    I agree with whitesnake in the fact that the only way to change the system as it stands is to work together and that means NRP’s and PWC’s. The post above is from a PWC who for some reason or another went to CSA and got caught in the trap. It doesn’t just affect NRP’s it affects everybody and the most important people it affects are the children concerned. They are the innocent ones in all of this.

    Chall, I looked at your site too and out of the 2, I prefer the ideals you guys set out. The fact you not only cater for the NRP’s but also the PWC’s should be applauded as this is the only way we can get the government to listen what is going on and change things.

    Overall, I am very concerned that the ideals set out by DBD are the ones that will cause the most damage. By that I mean cutting off the very people that can actually make a difference. It is the very same MP’s that ultimately can change the law and it is the very same courts that will impose the law that you refuse to recognise. How does that actually work? I have a hard time getting my head around the fact that you are saying to disassociate the court as just a company that has no legal rights and therefore cannot take action but in the same respect, it is also these courts that can grant contact orders and such.

    I think if I was going to opt between the 2 I would choose the link that Chall supplied as they appear to be more worthwhile and willing to listen and help both sides of the situation.

11. Quote deadbeat; The usual things of writing a letter of compalints, badgering MPs is merely a paper exercise that does not work, all that ends up coming back from the MPs is I have written to the CSA and they state they are not budging from their decisions.

    But, that’s YOUR case!
    YOU and YOUR case have YOUR own personal history (some of which, after reading your posted version of events and recordings , YOU perhaps should take some responsibility for). YOU have decided the best way of dealing with YOUR case is with Stat Decs, Notices, etc, etc .
    Despite YOUR way not being fully tried and tested, YOU encourage others, to follow suit with YOUR uncertain experiment – In the meantime, hopefully, errors etc on YOUR members cases are being attended to/not being ignored. As no doubt, the agency will still be progressing with them.

    As you are a regular visitor to our forum, you will have seen that, some of our members, both NRP & PWC, through writing letters and gaining MP’s assistance, have indeed received positive outcome on their cases.

    The OP is a PWC, with THEIR own issues – Stop attempting to muddy the waters and show them some respect!

12. Quote from Chall: As you are a regular visitor to our forum, you will have seen that, some of our members, both NRP & PWC, through writing letters and gaining MP’s assistance, have indeed received positive outcome on their cases.
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    Fighting the CSA for over 3 years I have no doubt that had I not continually asked for assistance from my MP that I would NOT be in the position I am in today! 95% of arrears wiped out and now standing a chance of getting back to work!

13. Ian, how do you base your opinion that DBD’s is AGAINST the NRP?!!!!!! that has me slightly confused!

14. My apologies SB, When I said DBD is biased towards NRP’s I mean the bias is FOR the NRP’s. There seems to be no leeway for the PWC and not all PWC’s are better off through CSA. In my case, some are even forced onto such a corrupt system.

    As an NRP with 2 children to 2 different PWC’s I can honestly say that both of them are at either end of the spectrum. The only reason my 2nd PWC is even involved with CSA is because they refused to recognise our child when they hit me with arrears because she was not on their system. That was the only way CSA would even do a calculation and include both children despite the fact that for 18 months we were doing a private arrangement.

    This apparently counts for nothing and as such I have a years worth of arrears for a single claim and what I paid to PWC 2 doesn’t even come into it. So essentially I pay twice. Not only that but PWC 2 is left devastated and in turmoil too. It looked to me like DBD works towards non-compliance so essentially both my children would be dragged into turmoil. It’s bad enough as a father seeing one child in that state but I could not allow both. It would destroy me.

    On top of which, once I do get things on the way to recovery, I intend to stop the emotional blackmail from PWC 1 through a contact order. If I have recognised the courts as a company that have no legal rights, then how can I go back to those same courts and ask them to provide a contact order?

    I agree that DBD has a lot of information that is worthwhile and could even help with my situation as it stands right now but to use it, I fear that looking at the future, I would be burning bridges at both ends and leaving myself in a far worse off situation. I may be wrong but that was the impression I got when I looked at the site. I know it’s a corrupt system, I am watching it destroy the lives of me and my family but in all honesty there has to be a much better way to work towards enforced changes rather than bringing the whole system down.

15. Ian, you say the has to be a better way to work towards enforced changes to the system, well it won’t be in our lifetime if thats what you honestly believe is the way forward.The orruption of just this one corner of the government goes far deeper than anyone knows and the MP’s are all in on it.
    This has been happening for thousands of years and all to gain one end, which is happening before us now, but as ever,most are conditioned and blinkered and fear the future and wish to remain on safe, dry ,ground which is fine for them if thats what they want.Problem is when the shite hits the proverbial, we will be swimming whilst the rest sinking and asking for the lifeboats,,,but there won’t be any.
    We set out from the beginning only catering for the NRP, so for this we do not apologise and never will.We are aware of what goes on with some PWC BUT i have to disagree that some PWC have no choice where the CSA is concerned as they can ALL opt out of using them as from last year! However the NRP never gets that choice, the PWC always holds all of the cards.
    Everyone is entitled to their opinion and obviously weigh up their own situ and fear for massive change and even shy away from change and not want it, so be it,but it will be no use then complaining when they are drowning and the rest who have woken up and seen the world for what it really is and what is really going on and who is pulling all of the strings in society are on dry land and as free from the shackles as they can be.
    Government,MP’s, Ministers,Banks,Executives,politicians ,Heads of State,Diplomats, you name them, are all not to be trusted and out for the top banana,One World Bank, and the sheeple doing their bidding whilst existing to be the slaves.
    CSA is just one pot in a small corner, when you see the bigger picture and know exactly what is going on and who is doing it,then you know the fight is a bigger one than you could have imagined.
    Regards

16. Whitesnake, Re: your comment to deadbeat;
    ‘It seems you are going out your way to sabotage any united fight which leaves me pondering that it is indeed yourself which is in league with the CSA and Government.’

    Could you be right?
    1) Whilst deadbeat keeps members busy dealing with Stat decs, notices, etc, their cases, which may contain errors and could actually be rectified, are festering within the CSA/CMEC. As such, the arrears remain unchallenged, incorrectly high and collectible – If owed to the Secretary of State, this is a bonus for the Government!
    2) At the same time, NRP’s are forking out money for solicitors to witness Stat dec’s and helping to fund HMCS, by paying for court services, to the very same courts that deadbeats say have NO jurisdiction over the NRP.
    3) MP’s are kept uninvolved, as deadbeat deters others from using their services, stating ‘MP’s are involved with the corruption within the CSA’.
    4) deadbeat makes unfounded accusations about both founders of AFCSAFA, in an effort to conceal their own agenda?

    deadbeats are slanderous and damning about so many officials and individuals on their site, without repercussion. Perhaps if they are all involved together, it is self explanatory.

    deadbeat often refers to smokescreens, perhaps the smokiest by far, is the one they hide behind.

17. 1) Whilst deadbeat keeps members busy dealing with Stat decs, notices, etc, their cases, which may contain errors and could actually be rectified, are festering within the CSA/CMEC. As such, the arrears remain unchallenged, incorrectly high and collectible – If owed to the Secretary of State, this is a bonus for the Government!
    SO signing a petition and complaining to deaf ears reduces arrears, why do you think members come to us after they have exhausted Mps who do nothing or go to other organisations who say “Sorry nothing we can do just pay them and shut up”?, these are members who have come to us after they have exhausted every avenue
    These are members who have tried every legal avenue, every complaint procedure and have not got anywhere, they have come to us for our help and they have got that help and it has worked so yes we speak through experience.

    2) At the same time, NRP’s are forking out money for solicitors to witness Stat dec’s and helping to fund HMCS, by paying for court services, to the very same courts that deadbeats say have NO jurisdiction over the NRP

    really how do you know it costs to have the Stat Decs witnessed hmmmmm and it’s not the courts service that get the money so where do you get the idea the HMCS are gaining from solicitors?, We all reside within the Law Society or did you not know that? We have success stories where the courts are concerned and we will have more

    3) MP’s are kept uninvolved, as deadbeat deters others from using their services, stating ‘MP’s are involved with the corruption within the CSA’.

    As stated above, members who have gone through the correct procedures, i.e Mps, ICE etc etc and have gained nothing from doing so, we have not deterred anybody from going to their MP just we know the corruption going on and we have done a lot of research on the matter, it seems as though you haven’t? Where is it stated that MPs are involved in the corruption of the CSA?

    4) deadbeat makes unfounded accusations about both founders of AFCSAFA, in an effort to conceal their own agenda?

    And what is our own agenda please do tell?, this will make interesting reading

    deadbeats are slanderous and damning about so many officials and individuals on their site, without repercussion. Perhaps if they are all involved together, it is self explanatory.

    No we are just not afraid to speak out, or show the powers to be we know their game, how can we be closed down for exposing the truth and not only that, having that evidence to back up that truth?.

18. Quote; ■deadbeatdad on November 29th, 2009 10:53 pm
    ‘Where is it stated that MPs are involved in the corruption of the CSA?’

    Quote; ■deadbeatdad on November 27th, 2009 12:14 pm
    ‘and lets get the MP involved, they are involved with the corruption within the CSA’
    _____________________

    Quote; ■deadbeatdad on November 28th, 2009 5:34 pm
    ‘So we don’t have to prove anything, people just have to read what this certain person is posting to work out what they really are’

    &

    Quote; ■deadbeatdad on November 27th, 2009 5:44 pm
    ‘….. and the evidence is basically there within your forum for all to see and not to see. People only have to look deep enough to work out who you are, we already have…………………..’

    – right back at you, deadbeat !!

19. So it appears yet again you only answer a couple of the questions asked, usual procedure from you.
    Anyway not wanting to hijack this thread anymore I think it is about time we met face to face to air the differences rather than air them over the net and hijack other peoples threads.
    So we will draught together our questions to ask you and we will answer any questions and problems you have with dead beat dads and we will even offer to come to you hows that?

20. This is all getting us nowhere and as said fighting amongst ourselves is only ensuring that the CSA and Government continue with their unfairness and corruption for the foreseeable future!! They know its wrong, however they also know that no one stands a chance of making any difference, let alone bringing it down whilst groups who supposedly have the same aim fight each other!

    There is no way that I can agree with DBD’s on using non-compliance as a weapon. The simple fact is that its wrong and the only ones to suffer are the children. Every NRP should contribute to the upkeep of their child(ren), however that should be done without putting the NRP into hardship. Would it not be fairer and just to pay a fair amount of maintenance and then argue your case after that?

    Paying nothing only achieves one thing and that’s making sure that the media continue to tar us all with the same brush! I would rather see headlines such as ‘Father fights CSA for fair maintenance whilst supporting his child(ren) with what he can afford’ than ‘Another father shirks his responsibility by failing to support his child using the excuse that he is fighting the CSA!’. Think about it, which of those 2 is more likely to drum up public support for our cause?

21. Quote deadbeat
    Anyway not wanting to hijack this thread anymore I think it is about time we met face to face to air the differences rather than air them over the net and hijack other peoples threads.
    So we will draught together our questions to ask you and we will answer any questions and problems you have with dead beat dads and we will even offer to come to you hows that?

    Maurice,

    Why would we want to meet you, have your masters given you permission to even do that? Remember we are on opposite sides….

    After all aren’t we on the governments payroll in your deluded mind? You know what I pity you currently, you have lunatics in your head, but i’m not sure that would stretch to a face to face meeting. On the internet I can simply push a button, and you and your crazy rantings are gone for a while..

    If you can give me a valid reason why a meeting would be benificial to our site and its members, then i will give it consideration.

    But as you are working into the hands and possibly pockets of CSA, we are working in an opposite direction. So I just can’t see any benefit for us.

22. Well seems funny as the courts are now running scared with the responses they are getting from our members with the aid of ourselves. We all know which direction you are going in and its certainly not to help the NRP, The truth will out itself on that matter.
    As far as using non compliance as a weapon, where have you got that information from. You still fall under the illusion they are your children whitesnake, may we suggest looking a lot further than AFCSAFA to find out the truth about who owns the children. As far as us using the freedom movement and taking the mick with the chloe of the chloe family scenario well isnt your new web site all about just that, reclaiming our sovereignty, I do’t think you can make up your mind what you are doing.
    We don’t mind meeting you evenif you are on the Governments payroll, we have had meetings with Kitty Ussher to get our point acrtoss and she is a Government official so we fail to see what you point is on that one and we are not frightened to put our heads above the parapett and expose what is going on and yes we have meetings with our MP and that is to point out to him, we know the corruption that is going on.
    Well please do show yourselves lets see your videos with you in them lets see what you have to say

23. Maurice,

    You really are full of self importance LOL

    beside that, why the urgency to see who/what we are? You seem to be bordering on fetish here, Sherrie watch your man!!!!!

    i really can’t see any benefit to a meeting, and if there was I would make it a priority, but no obvious need other then to fulfil your unhealthy obssesion.

    I don’t need to live in the Governments pockets mate, remember i have loads of holidays etc, another deadbeat crazy ranting..

    The courts are running scared, just listen to yourself ,your crazy man…. lets guess their scared of you and sherrie, hang on till I get up of the floor, you really are funny….. You would make an excellent sitcom, shame its serious init. See it now

    ………. in the next episode of inside the head of a psycho& wife…

    This week ……….. Sucess at being suspended from work. and prison becones nutcases unsuspecting members
    Also …….. Civil unrest as Government on run from lunatics wife. lol

    well nothing more to say, so bye xxx

24. OMG, get over yourself Mobey!
    You are seriously deluded if you consider YOU have the Courts, the Government, or anybody else for that matter, ‘running scared’…

    Its all to apparent, you have the inability to participate in discussion, beyond your own missive. You have previously banned some of your own members, for joining AFCSAFA. Your site and your posts are extremely opinionated and biased. A meeting would prove a pointless exercise.

    I can assure you, without having to meet your face, you will NOT alter opinions, regarding our approach with the agency OR indeed our members, whether they be NRP’s OR P’sWC. AFCSAFA accomodates ALL – for that we offer you NO apology.

    Your ungainly incrimination of both site founders, in attempt to discredit the site, is juvenile.
    It is fair to request that you cease such nonsense. If you persist, I suppose we could repay the compliment, in the interests of the public of course, and present the questionable reflections we have discovered.

    It is about time these run in’s stopped. Both site’s serve a different purpose. However, you will gain little by refusing to acknowledge the concerns of the very people you profess to exist for.

25. Me full of self importance, have a day off will you, my god, a certain person from another organisation stated how you told them who they could and could not speak to, who do you think you are?
    Glad you have your informants watching our every move and as for ” It is fair to request that you cease such nonsense.” well perhaps if you kept your nose out of this at the very beginning: let me remind you

    “chall on November 26th, 2009 5:50 pm

    oooha, Deadbeats require assistance from a PWC – blooming ‘eck! then perhaps

    as usual you cannot take it and therefor you now request we cease from defending ourselves, same case as usual you can dish it out but you cant take it.

    Oh by the way we do know what you look like

26. So whats youre problem…

    I know you….You know me problem? Guys get a life and keep all these people running scared, I for one will NEVER run from you mugs goodbye

27. Maurice

    If your leavin this type of rubbish on your website mate, I get the impression the only people running scared are you and you wappy woman Sherrie

    Sit and cry my friends.

    administrator
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    Subject: This weekend. Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:20 am

    A lot has happened this w/end, we have been meeting up with a good friend of ours and ploughing through videos,making notes,talking evidence over,understanding what we have discovered and finally putting some of it into practise.During all of this our two favourite stalkers of the internet brought a matter to our attention and we know that the info they have can only have been got from one particular source,who by the way, we actually met up with to help them out!!
    However we felt that we should raise this matter with all of our members to make you all aware and to be vigilant and on your guard.The area reps will be given exact details of who this person is,but as for the rest of you well we can’t say too much at present just be aware of any rogue PM’s and if you want to we can always check anything out before you respond!
    Sorry we have had to take this step,it may be just a storm in a tea cup and we can handle it but even asking for a donation isn’t always going to work at filtering these igiots out,no matter how many hours Sherri puts in in trying to keep them out, losing a fiver or a tenner is nothing when the government or a rival group wants info on us and wants to know what we are up to.
    We also note that a few members are getting a bit restless and asking if this process will actually work and we have also had a lot of slagging off over the w/end to contend with too,across the net,can we just say that the new information and understanding we have gathered recently, will definitely help us all in our endeavours as to the ultimate goal, get the government out of interferring with maintenance issues and place it back with the parents and use courts as the last resort or for the absent fathers, or indeed place it in the hands of the tax system and make it fair to all,i.e base it on what you earn AFTER deductions but not based on how many children but just a small proprtion of each individual s wage.
    We realise that the process doesn’t go quick enough for some and that impatience sets in,we are also discovering new ways to halt the court process,we have also been discussing the new CMEC and the introduction of Administrative Liability Orders.Our aim is to stop the case altogether,then have a plan of action for those that come to us part way through the system.We have to work at having every avenue covered and every base.
    It takes many hours as we discovered over the w/end,we had no time to ourselves whatsoever and we are now catching up,with sleep as well as other every day mundane stuff!
    Rest assured we never stop,Sherri never stops researching and then she has the phenominal task of trying to tell it all to me and getting me to understand it all, she’s the brains of this lot, i take my lead from her 9 times out of 10!! and we shan’t stop as long as there are those out there who come to us for assistance.
    Look out for a PM in the next few days that will explain a few things to you,our members and Area Reps and if you have any questions you can fire away.We will give you information and links that we will ask that you take a look at and familiarise yourselves with.This will begin your learning process but will also make a few things more understandable to you all. We ask that you check these things out for yourselves so that you will have a degree of understanding for yourselves and then you can begin to pass this stuff along.

    All that remains is to say that we are so near the truth,others are getting scared!!!!!
    _____________

28. ooha, Ive got a migally feeling the management will be bashing the ban button – which poster will you point the finger at …?

    QUOTE deadbeat: ‘We will give you information and links that we will ask that you take a look at and familiarise yourselves with.This will begin your learning process…’
    – OMG, a self important somebody is having an identity crisis – Is this Common Purpose training OR just damn right condescending.

29. How sad……………playground bullies but i can say this………………….. you have just shown yourselves up for what you really are………………………you have actually had some mug pay a donation to join the forum just to gain information from us………….. you have just proven to all and sundry that you are stalkers………………….and you have the tenacity………………i can spell…………………to call us the fruit loops and head the balls?…………………..take a long hard look in the mirror gals………………………..the proof of how low you would stoop is here for all to see…………………………………………i hope you are proud…………….as they say what goes around comes around…………………….

30. – You’ve conveniently forgotten about all the akas you use, both on here and AFCSAFA , pwc needs help, tigs, tigereyes, SB, tiger etc, whilst stalking us.. tut tut !!

    No need, I understand your member, (or ‘mug’ as you have put it), that passed your post on, is pretty disillusioned. Hardly surprising really, given the condescending way you feel members can be addressed. ‘This will begin your learning process..’
    As you’ve said yourself ‘a few members are getting a bit restless’ .

31. I don’t use any aka’s as you so eloquently put it,SB is my initials, Tigs,Tigereyes etc are names i go by that EVERYONE knows me as,in fact you two knew me as that first ,seeing as you dragged a post up of mine from Wikivorce over 5 years ago,remember? i asked you then what it had to do with a support group for fathers against the CSA, but as per you are so like politicians, you never give straight answers to straight questions.You tried to malign me for aksing about spousal maintenance but forgot to re-iterate the rest of my post,conveninent , at the time.
    He may tell you he is pretty disallusioned but he has wanted enough inofrmation from us hasn’t he?
    Whats condescending about learning about your rights under the correct laws of this land? again you fail to post in the correct context,the post related to certain videos that we were asking members to watch,or did he forget to tell you that? oh no, wait a minute, you just ,of course, pick and choose the words out of any post that we do for your narcicistic pleasures, hoping and thinking it will make us look daft, i realise here you will say that we don’t need you two to make us look daft, sticks and stones springs to mind, again, playground games.
    As for a few members are getting a bit restless, again you post without understanding the meaning behind this comment, because it suits you to,they are getting restless to put a stop to the CSA and all of its corruption and scams.
    Makes me laugh that that is all you can rebound with.
    I openly admit that i entered your site ONCE with an aka,as you were doing your usual round of stalking, but that was enough for me, after counting your members and then actaully seeing for myself how many actually post on a regular basis, you have no reason to boast,in fact it’s not a very nice side of your personality at all, but then,well, least said soonest mended .
    Make sure you keep an eye out for that ban button,isn’t it going to keep you in suspense wondering when it’s going to come down and as to whether we do it to the right mole or not?!!! 🙂
    Now run along, you are cluttering your friends site up with utter nonsense,i’m sure he doesn’t appreciate it.

32. Sherrie,

    The people who run this site are NOT our friends as you put it. CSA hell is NOT in anyway affiliated with our website… Why oh why do you make these assumptions.

    You need to deal with the facts as laid bare..

    1) Not everyone agree’s with your militant and crazy ways of dealing with things, that includes your posters on your website……. As you can see a couple are concerned that you are leading your members into deeper more serious problems..

    2) You are NEVER going to bring down the CSA/C-mec, and to be honest the majority of parents both NRP and PWC dont want them brought down…. Most parents just want a level playing field and a fair outcome for their CHILDREN

    3) Majority of NRP are NOT deadbeat, and WANT to be involved in the lives of their children, financially and socially

    4) PWC have as many problems with CSA as NRP, I agree maybe to a lesser extent, but problems all the same

    5) Getting people to save up for stat decs, ccj’s etc is WRONG….. These things have NO standing, they give the CSA bigwits a laugh and cost your members money. It’s wrong to give people false hope whilst cases are left to fester and worsen

    You need to understand not everyone thinks like, or behaves like you

33. 5) Getting people to save up for stat decs, ccj’s etc is WRONG….. These things have NO standing, they give the CSA bigwits a laugh and cost your members money. It’s wrong to give people false hope whilst cases are left to fester and worsen

    Ok, have you any proof of what you state here? we have PROOF of the way we deal with matters works,if members don’t wish to take this route or any route we suggest then that is fine, we don’t bully or TELL them that is the way it has to be done.
    I am fully aware that some don’t want to get rid of the CSA,lord knows why,thats their choice,and why say most NRP are not DEADBEAT? where exactly are you going with that one? our name was tonhue in cheek, we do NOT want anyone to cease paying for their children, you have no idea of what we explain can be done instead!! but then i wouldn’t expect you to.
    As for the way we are going is dangerous or leading members into more serious, deeper problems, and that cases are left to fester,this shows the level of mis conception that you know of what we are doing,again, we don’t expect you to know or even have any level of knowledge of what we are doing, however the ignorance does show.
    Do you really expect that we haven’t tried matters,documents etc ourselves?,at present before you jump on Mo’s case, he is the guinea pig,totally,and we are prepared to suffer whatever comes, but we know what comes we have studied a lot.
    As for signing,or correctly swearing and witnessing, a Stat Dec,it costs a fiver, how do you know that we haven’t paid for the most desperate ones out of funds?
    You question our ethics you challenge what we are doing, do we interfere and challenge you or your way of dealing with matters? NO!!
    Word to the wise, stay out of matters, what does it matter to you or yours what we do? Members have their own minds as does anyone that comes to us for advice, they can agree or not, their call.
    It really is simple and it really does work and it has opened our eyes up to a lot that is going on, maybe you should stick to your new site, about are you fed up with Britain and all that is going wrong,,you have no idea how long it has all been going on and for how long and who the BIG players are,when you have done 2 flat years of research and had evidence provided and gained evidence yourself then come back and have a decent conversation with me,until then you mind your own business and your own sites and help those that come to you,whilst we do the same.
    You see we have a grandchild who i would like to see live a free life and be happy and healthy and not be in a police state and try pumping them full of drugs that are toxic and eventually lead to health problems etc,too much to post on here,but then you will only call me a fruit the loop and a theorist, so be it, my eyes are wide open and my body is now free of cancers and crap, i aim it to stay that way,and rest assured it will.
    I will not answer anymore posts by you two,what Mo does is his problem, literally, as he and Tracey are as bad and vile towards each other as ever,which i am sick of, lifes too short and especially to waste on rubbish,more important things and people to deal with.
    Do whatever you have to and in whatever capacity you feel you should, but leave me to my way to,its called respect.

34. Sherrie,

    We too have looked into ” common purpose etc. It does not merit what you are leading your members into, but yea so be it.. You get on with your deal, and we with ours…. I agree totally with that. Maurice/trace has went on since parentcentre, and it was an unwarranted attack by Maurice when trace defended PWC, he still can not/will not let go… For a grown man it’s rather childish don’t you think? He may walk over you Sherrie, but he will never walk over me….. Do you realise at times you come over as his doormat, stop allowing that its making you both look bad..

35. im not getting draged in to all this.
    sb, try n start given some respect, u mite get some back. ur lot need to stop winding folk up. it does u no good. see where u go wrong.

36. I can confirm what Chloe says, CSAhell.com isn’t affiliated with any other CSA website. We’ve merely provided a forum for people to air their views on the CSA and to offer/receive advice where they can.

    We hope this has been helpful.

37. BJ1209 if your not getting dragged into this why get involved? sb is respectful, however she does defend herself when others try to take the mick. As for “ur lot need to stop winding folk up it does you no good” short memory there, who is the one who posted this
    “chall on November 26th, 2009 5:50 pm

    oooha, Deadbeats require assistance from a PWC – blooming ‘eck!
    after I posted to help somebody out, and who is “your lot” there is only myslef from DBDA comes on here to help people out with the information and knowledge we have gained.

    Micheal we never said you were affiliated with any other CSA web site, however I have emailed you a few times to offer our services on here but we did not get a response from you,

38. Yes you did:

    SB on December 3rd,
    “Now run along, you are cluttering your friends site up with utter nonsense,i’m sure he doesn’t appreciate it.”

    The OP asked for advice, and your two websites have taken that as carte blanche to slag each other off for the past month on this page. It has gone way off topic and has just ended in a slanging match.

    Just because we haven’t replied to you, doesn’t mean we’re taking their side on things. We’re neutral here, so don’t drag us into your squable.

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