Any child maintenance should be based on income and necessary expenditure
After my wife decided she didn’t love me anymore i found myself homeless and unemployed. I moved to be near my family.I eventually got rented accomadation but my wife contacted the csa and they stopped money from my esa.I could not move into the flat as I had no furniture.My wife kept it all.
I eventually found a job with low income.the csa will take 20% of my net earnings without any regards to my own living costs.Considering my wife gets all the relevant tax credits and child allowance, this is not taken into account.It is income at the end of the day.I will not be able to take the tenancy of my flat as I cannot afford the running costs, let alone furnish it.Any child maintenance should be based on income and necessary. expenditure.My wife runs a car and goes on holidays.Something is seriously wrong with the system.So my option is to leave my job and sign on unemployed – I will be better off.
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And that’s the dilema many NRP’s face i’m afraid Gary 🙁 The CSA ‘advise’ PWC that they are ENTITLED to ‘X’ amount and the PWC will do whatever the CSA tell her/him to get it….
If a government body tells you that you are entitled to something (especially money), you want it… and that is why the CSA has been allowed to contiue for 20 years!!! It doesn’t do the job it was supposed to do i.e. make ABSENT fathers pay but it ensures an income (by victimising and stealing from decent NRP’s who willingly pay for their kids) and jobs for thickwits who would otherwise be claiming unemployment benefit!!
The system is 100% wrong but your MP may be able to help you… get in contact with him/her and explain your situation.
Best of luck…
Vile woman
The failing CSA system that we are all sucked into and cannot get out of without injuring and denting our pride. It’s comical without the laughter. My advice. Fake your death, change your name…forget you even had a family before…Start a new life, your past will make your’e future dead anyway. Sorry to be so glum, but that is the top & bottom of it. Good luck, you will need it, because this scum are worse than the taliban!!
CSA are vile!!!!
Or challenge it Jason…………. to many people are in this predicament…. NRPS blame PWC and the agency thrives on it….. I wonder if they inform them of the consequences i dont believe so and this is abuse. I am really bored of saying it but its going to take NRPs and PWCs standing together, monthly meetings getting a petition with 100,000 signitures can’t be done over the internet. if you are not involved with the CSA you wont need to find the websites. We all need to get ACTIVE. edie424@outlook.com please feel free to e-mail me or give address to someone else.
Sorry eddie424@outlook.co
Last time really I cant even get this right……..eddie424@outlook.com
Hooray thats it
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Quote eddie ‘I am really bored of saying it but its going to take NRPs and PWCs standing together’
Join the club.
chall
Aha ha ha ha are you for real ‘chall – afairercsaforall’ lol lol weren’t you avoiding this website for the past few weeks because you were caught out for providing ‘limited’ information to help the NRP but providing PWCs will all the information you could find to make sure they got as much from the NRP as possible!?!
@ Eddie, do not be fooled by chall… She is a wolf in sheeps clothing, be very careful what information you provide her with via e-mail, she was stalking a lady who provided advice on here (j.) and bullied another person by posting his real name for the CSA staff to research….
Quote Sally ‘weren’t you avoiding this website for the past few weeks because you were caught out for providing ‘limited’ information to help the NRP but providing PWCs will all the information you could find to make sure they got as much from the NRP as possible!?!’
No, actually my mother was diagnosed with GBM on 30th March and obviously I have had other things to do !!!
You really come across as a awful individual Sally, but as long as you’re happy eh…
Oh no chall, I’m just opposed to people like you who come on here under false pretences and provide information that you know is selective to the benefit or detriment to the individual with the problem (depending upon who asks the question)….
I’m sincerely sorry about your mum but people have come on here with terminal illnesses looking for advice and help and have been given information that is confusion and/or wrong and it has added to their stress and I’ll health but the people giving the advice don’t care about that…
‘benefit or detriment’ now there is a question Sally, – The NRP that I live with still owns ALL of his own belongings, and always will…
Aha ha ha as I said chall you get nasty… And the NRP I live with has never been happier or more financially secure than he is now ha ha ha…. the CSA and his ex forced the issue with their lies… oh and his children are much happier too 🙂 🙂 the CSA were threatening to take away his home and I helped prevent that… Neither of us have any regrets :))
I’m not like you chall, I always play fair and would never cheat anyone out of money (I have morals and a conscience) !!
Quote Sally ‘I’m not like you chall, I always play fair and would never cheat anyone out of money’
Oh please do expand and qualify Sally.
“Please qualify” ???? Aha ha ha Jekyll and Hyde?? Lol lol
I have never come onto this site presenting myself as an advisor who promotes a “fairer system for all’ but behind the scenes knowingly provide innocent people with incorrect information and was proven (by j… Which is when you got nasty and stalked her) to be bias towards the PWC…. That’s certainly not playing fair….
You have referred on numerous occasions that my partners finances are in my name and that he may regret that… Because you assume I would cheat him… Tarring me with your moral standards… I never have and never would cheat him (or anyone else)… I owned my own flat and bought into his home ( because he couldn’t afford the mortgage payments and treat his kids to days out etc) to help him out…. And I believe I came onto this website looking for advice because I was mortified to find out that the CSA could force the sale of the house if it was in both our names… My savings going to his greedy ex… No way).. It was his suggestion to put the house in my name only but I thought it was best to sell up and sort it all out legally…
If my partner and I ever split up, he will get his share in his name or the name of his choice…. Fairly… I don’t need to cheat anyone out of money, I’m comfortable and earn enough to keep both of us happy and to pay for holidays with the kids…. As I said already… He and the kids have never been happier….
Your. Story is… You think you know it all, you mislead innocent people into making wrong decision and leave them to face the consequences… Without a conscience…. 🙂
Take care for now aha ha ha
the CSA are a body that can rip poeple off and make poeple dai.. they dont care about the fathers only the mother. the mothers can claim all benefits that are out there and still have our money. the CSA are RIPOFFS, and use kids as a tool to use against fathers. in other words, fathers have no rights and mothers have every right …the CSA is a scam and always will be untill we can get poeple to blow them up…
Oh dear, you come across as a very bitter NRPP sally…
Unfortunately, those people that you and others mindlessly call names and try so hard to belittle on here, are not the authors of CS laws and legislations – Such attitude is pathetic and divisive and possibly one of the reasons the Government has got away with this crap for so long!
I wish you eddie424@outlook.com good luck.
However, I’m afraid that such biased mentalities will scupper any chance of change – authors and destinies come to mind, desperate for change, but only on their own terms…
@ chall…. You have come out with a load of crap on this website but your last comment has to take the biscuit lol lol entertaining though… You digress… Lol
I’m a very happy NRPP but a very disgusted human being in that the CSA can get away with cheating decent hard working NRP out of their home by lying and stealing and the likes of you and Alice think its ok to come on here and mislead innocent victims of the csa….
If you are going to come on to this website under the guise of ‘helping’ people… Get your facts right and leave your biased opinion out of it ….. You are the sad person who has to troll this website because the one you set up doesn’t keep you busy!!! Lolol speaks for itself eh???
Oh and just a quick question… Do you have any assets of your own or do you sponge off the NRP you live with, the one that “has his own ‘belongings’ and always will” aha ha hah lololol (we all have belongings chall not sure what that stupid statement was all about lol lol)…. You really do make me laugh… Sincerely 🙂
Unfortunately Sally, ‘people like you’ serve to be nothing more than divisive.
Pity the genuine CSA victims you mingle with…
It’s a shame your type of input ensures real victims of the CSA remain victims, and nothing changes – Give yourself a big pat on the back.
@ Sally
I don’t think you come across as a bitter nrpp at all….I know how it is to feel 2nd class in your own home when csa get involved and how refreshing it is to get some control back. You say your family is much happier and children better off, that’s all that matters so good luck to you. Do not get how that aids you in creating diversion with the csa ‘victims’? Its the government agency that is doing that all by itself for not being a fair system!!
Thanks Jo… chall is just throwing her dummy out the pram because I highlighted the fact that she is ‘selective’ in the ‘advice’ she gives to victims of the CSA….
she is talking of herself when she says ‘divisive’… but most folk who have dealt with her already know that…. 🙂
@ sally, at the end of it all hun we as “victims” are in this together, the CSA will.never be fair and we as NRPP do what we need.to make oir families happy whether that pisses chall alice or anybody else off, you carry on hun, we will get heard one day amd this unfair shamble known as CSA will come unstuck
Thanks Lisa – chall will never understand that though…. her and Alice are birds of a feather… rules and legislation come before peoples lives and reality…
X
What happens between parents regarding their children in separation or divorce is for them to sort out, using an agreement, using the courts with professional advice.
These matters have absolutely nothing to do with a bunch of pen-pushing amateurs, who make things up as they go along, causing alarm and distress to both nrp’s and pwc’s. I have been on both sides as a pwc and an nrp, so I think that I am qualified to give an opinion.
Like most normal parents, I want to provide for the children not just when they are aged under 19, but to help them where I can, as they get older.
In view of the fact that the CSA have attempted to demonise me and criminalise me, by using flawed legislation against me, and making my life hell for 14 years, I will not be leaving any inheritance to two children, because of their feckless, money grabbing, benefit cheat mother, and the not fir for purpose, shambolic CSA!
The children concerned and their mother have been informed of this by me, and soon, I I will not be a cash machine for the CSA OR the childrens’ mother!
We can all be divisive!
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@ eddie
In our case the pwc thought she was going to get 17,000 in csa, paperwork being lost etc, when this showed not to be the case and in fact there was an overpayment so she is taking my husband and the csa to tribunal. We have been given 75 pages of how this woman is demanding HER money, even csa sending her my husbands address that we disclosed to be private. The lengths she has gone to in providing evidence, which won’t stand up because my husband was a voluntary worker whilst recuperating after serious operations on his drs advice….yes we have notes to prove it and hrmc records to show little or no income….yet she still thinks he is dishonest because she wants the money! Pwcs like these will not stand with nrps to get the csa shut down, so embroiled in bitterness….even after 23 years in our case!! Yet me as a pwc have had nothing from my reckless ex, csa not bothered in chasing him….their words, he is too expensive to chase, yet my husbands ex has had every liability ordered granted etc etc even though there is nothing to secure the ‘debt’ to, as we don’t own our own home all because she thinks she is entitled. Even the appeals team have said that their figures are correct and won’t budge on their decision and unfortunately this is how some people are….makes me so cross that these types thinks that they’re the only ones that have been left with nothing….she had the house and everything else more than some!
@ John – you are 100% correct it should be between two parents but the CSA have found and invaluable weapon – money!!! The old saying “money is at the root of all evil” is certainly true when it comes to the CSA….
The idiots at the CSA promise PWC’s that they will get them more money if they use the CSA (touting for business) and the greedy PWC jump at the opportunity to get more money…. especially if they are upset with their ex and want to be nasty and vindictive.
This keeps the idiots who work for the CSA in jobs and stops them from claiming unemployment benefit….and the more NRP’s they abuse and victimise (by intigating false arrears, ‘losing’ correspondence, stealing money directly), the bigger the bonus!!!
@ Jo – and that is the problem… the PWC’s are told that they are entitled and will do what it takes to get ‘their’ money!!! It’s absolutely ridiculous… £££ are more important than relationships with NRP and child(ren) all because the greedy PWC wants ‘his/her’ money….
An idiot at the CSA told my partners ex she was entitlted to a % my income (pre 2003 rules, we got together in 2010!)!! so she moved heaven and earth to get it, very similar to your situation… we got out, he is now a student and all the assets are in my name… 3 years of the CSA idiots was enough for us…
Will you need to go to court?
Csa appeals team have said no, because it pre dates 2003, my husband has no records, its the csa working with the hrmc and dwp that have put his assessment to nil plus financial information from divorce papers at that time and drs notes that we have supplied. He hasn’t seen this woman in 20+ years. This woman has had it all and still wants more….her bitterness is clearly evident in her letters…also she has failed to disclose a huge lump sum payment she received whilst on benefits so her anger is digging her a hole…well I hope!! We have a plan b in place if it goes in her favour, but shouldn’t have to live one step ahead of a woman that wanted out all those years ago….even called my husband violent , with no proof to back this up…most kindest guy ever, I was in a dv relationship for 5 years so was very angry with that statement.
Oh and I know what the greed has done, 6 years ago my husband was viciously attacked by his son over maintenence in front of me and the mother thought this was great. My husband suffers from dislocations in his shoulders which his son and his friends jumped him and threw him to the ground causing this to happen, never seen a man in such pain but not once did he hit back, said he wwouldn’t hit his son…this is what it is causing between parents but the pwc instigated it.
Oh fuck me!!! The chall is back..lol….didn’t know this troll was a bitch like the other one lol
Gonk
@ Jo – your story is absolutley heartbreaking but the CSA don’t ever see that side of it… it’s the damage they cause and no matter how many people post it, Alice and chall still come on here dictating ‘part’ fact, ‘part’ fiction advice and it makes everything so much worse!!!
I hope things turn out for you, it’s terrible to think that a self respecting mother/female would do that, but as you say, she is bitter and she has made her son the same… all based on lies… I hope you and your husband are ok and something good comes your way… x
Hiya! Gonk… 🙂
@ sally
Thank you. What has come of it is that she is sad and bitter and im happy with my husband, regardless of this csa rubbish. …being 20 years younger than his ex must rial her too. I met him in 2007 and poor chap has suffered, wasn’t for me sorting out his mess god knows where he would be….he has learning difficulties and didn’t understand the paper work, glad I did!
Shows what mother she is when she tells her teenage daughter, who at the time was only a size 14, would never be successful because she was fat….girl now suffers bulimia and depression!
Hi Gonk…yes its back lol
@ Sally.
What really upsets me, is that the ‘state’ have deemed to demonise and criminalise me, regarding the children.
My whole personal situation would, have been handled a lot better, by the use of mediation with professional people, at far less cost to the taxpayer. I would have been able to deal with contact issues better and been able to provide for the children as they got older.
In view of the fact that I have been treated worse than a criminal, and challenged and have proven that the CSA are incompetent beyond belief, because the PHSO and my M.P. have put that in writing, the only way to make myself heard is by my own actions.
I am not proud of the fact that two children will not benefit from any inheritance, I am saddened by it. However, their callous mother and the CSA have brought about my decision.
I asked my children to challenge the CSA regarding the treatment of their father, but no doubt they will be lied to and mislead to fit in with the ‘political jargon’ of ensuring fathers pay for their children. I have never said that I would not provide finances for the children, but what I do object to, is incompetent oafs interfering in my private life!
@ Jo – how sad….. why is it assumed that because a woman gives birth, she automatically has the childs best interest at heart???? Thousands and thousands of mothers have been proven (thanks to the CSA) to be more interested in money than the needs of the child… they seem to think that money replaces the love and care a father can give… she sounds like a terrible person to do that to her own daughter!!
🙂 i’ll bet the ex is seething that you are 20 years younger, and to add to that, she sees that you make him happy in a way she never could…. Karma does exist afterall 🙂 x
Hello Sally 🙂 x
@sally
Yes it is awful what some parents do to their kids for their own selfish gains, wish csa see through it, like john said, taken back to mediators and courts…..but my husbands ex such a narcissist I don’t think she cares…even her own family have nothing to do with her and her daughter lives far away from her without knowing where she is, she saw through her control, pity the son hasn’t but he’s been promised lots of money and money his motivation too.
Im a fighter so no-one will take from my kids mouths to fulfil their gains. I got nothing from my ex and really don’t give a rats ass because I have two fab kids to make up for it. Money is nothing to me, emotional support should always be foremost.
@ John – your story is shocking – but similar to my partners… as soon as the CSA got involved our lives were not our own and the kids were pulled between both parents as the mother had lied and the CSA believed her without question or proof, they made up fictitious arrears and his ex ended up stalking us on fb… it was terrible but the CSA were absolutely adamant that he was not a decent father!!! He paid his ex faithfull for 3 years (which she denied to the kids) and for the last 3 years (the amount the CSA dictated – regardless if it was wrong because he is a decent guy)… his daughter was a wreck (as were we) for around 6 months trying to sort it out… the PWC was adamant that we were withholding ‘her’ money (my income!!)… and she was filling the kids head full of lies about their Dad… it was terrible…
Things gradually got better but the false arrears were the final straw for us… it’s terrible that the CSA are allowed to cause this kind of damage to families and allowed to continue… Kids should never be caught in the middle but 9/10 its the mother and CSA who use the kids as weapons… I hope your kids understand that it’s completely out of your hands and that their mothers greed has forced the issue…. good luck to you, i’m behind you 100%, you are entitled to a life… regardless of what your ex or the CSA think.. god luck to you 🙂
These stories are bloody shocking and if “Alice” was anything of a.person it would offer advice that was not.only helpful but impartial, but who am I kidding the CSA scum help only themselves, we cant forget your performance bonus or your posh office.furniture paid for by the very people you rob blind, take a look around alice this is caused by people like you
lol – keep going…
Lisa – what about mine! – ex-wife stopped me seeing the kids as I was ‘violent’ (yes she played the violent card, sorry her legal aid funded barristers played the violent card) but hand on heart I have never been violent to anyone.
Last seen kids 12 years ago
Divorce as settled quickly with the wife getting a mortgage free house valued at £850,000 house in 2006 and me getting £25,000 debt. Sounds about right eh?
On a average wage the CA have calculated that i should pay £634 per month – after appealing within 1 month as per their handbook – they slapped an attachments of earnings which taking into account mortgage, nills, travel to work but excluding things like food will make me £175 overdrawn each month!
my Ex- works cash in hand – claims every benefit under the sun although not entitled to just6 came back from Cuba and off again to Tunisa.
Even wrote to MP, Ian Ducan Smith, benefit Fraud people and CSA advising them of her employers – NOTHING DONE! Funny how they know everything about me as they check with HMRC, and even write to my employers.
Last year I was on suicide alert as broke down in my local GP surgery – but I am strong now and the fuckers wont crack me hence my court appearance end of this month
@ Gonk,
‘The’ Gonk or Terry Norris or whatever you’re calling yourself today… lol
@ chall….. I think you will find that you are the ONLY person ‘lol’ at your post…. The rest of us are disgusted but not surprised….. You are scum after all who sponges from your NRP partner who, in you own, PATHETIC words “owns his own belongings, and ALWAYS will” aha ha ha how sad are you….?
blar blar sally lol lol lol
One too many wines for you ‘chall- aFAIRERCSAforALL’… Aha ha ha a ‘woman’ who SPONGES OFF her Partner who “OWNS … HIS… OWN… BELONGINGS….. ” Jesus Christ woman…. Get a grip…. You OWN… DISGUSTING behaviour… NOTHING else…
@ chall,
You for real?
What we have gone through and still going through is real life, I’m not here to insult people, just sharing our own tales and trying to get some comfort back in knowing that we are not in this on our own. I can’t believe what this agency is doing to people and getting away with it without any consequences.
So many telling of the same woes, we can’t be all making it up nor deserve to feel like our experiences are being mocked or feel belittled because we know little about legislation….which evidently neither do some csa staff.
@ Chall, one thing, you see these people here asking for help, they are human beings, mothers fathers, are in the same situation which.you.yourself have faced before, so while your helping just the stories thats appeal to.you bear in.mind we didt ask.for.your advice, the reason you get abuse is because you sometimes come across as.biased and nasty like alice, people do have better things to.do.than re&d about.your partner owning all his on stuff, some men/fathers here cant afford a.square.meal a day,
@ gonk… Regardless of the disgusting outburst from ‘chall’ … The rest of us ‘normal’ people completely understand your need for privacy… And always will… ‘Chall, apparently a NRP and PWC… Obviously thinks being Nasty proves something…. Yes.. The he/she is disgusting…
P.s. with a ‘mother’ like chall, can you imagine what the poor kids she is ‘responsible’ for are taught….. Abuse and lies as are the norm…. God help them… And. the people her kids are in contact with….