Any child maintenance should be based on income and necessary expenditure

May 16, 2013

After my wife decided she didn’t love me anymore i found myself homeless and unemployed. I moved to be near my family.I eventually got rented accomadation but my wife contacted the csa and they stopped money from my esa.I could not move into the flat as I had no furniture.My wife kept it all.

I eventually found a job with low income.the csa will take 20% of my net earnings without any regards to my own living costs.Considering my wife gets all the relevant tax credits and child allowance, this is not taken into account.It is income at the end of the day.I will not be able to take the tenancy of my flat as I cannot afford the running costs, let alone furnish it.Any child maintenance should be based on income and necessary. expenditure.My wife runs a car and goes on holidays.Something is seriously wrong with the system.So my option is to leave my job and sign on unemployed – I will be better off.


80 Responses to “Any child maintenance should be based on income and necessary expenditure”

  1. Macon on May 18th, 2013 12:09 am

    Chall & Alice

    Takes advantage of others to reach own goals
    Expects to be recognized as superior and special, without superior accomplishments
    Expects constant attention, admiration and positive reinforcement from others
    Envies others and believes others envy him/her
    Is preoccupied with thoughts and fantasies of great success, enormous attractiveness, power, intelligence
    Lacks the ability to empathize with the feelings or desires of others
    Is arrogant in attitudes and behavior
    Has expectations of special treatment that are unrealistic

    I think this describes you two very well and it is of narcissistic tendencies !!!!

  2. chall on May 18th, 2013 7:35 am

    @ Sally. Quite apparent that things you don’t know you have a tendency to make up… Perhaps your accounts of your OH are also farcical nonsense.

    @ Jo. The CSA have ruined many lives, NRP’s, PWC, NRPP and children have and still suffer.
    Correctly sharing legislation and procedures has enabled many more parents to achieve errors and maladministration being corrected without the financial burden of having to join fee charging sites or using solicitors.
    Issues between individuals on social sites escalate when some start being unrealistic about one’s commitment or attempt to implement blame on the person sharing the info as advocating such – If such a perception were true, I doubt any of us would bother.

    @ Lisa. Your statement is naive. I have and do help all sorts of cases.
    There can be so many variables with each case. It can be practically impossible to give a directed response to posts that offer a couple of lines on text and no real information to work with. Such facts appear immaterial to some onlookers, who also bemoan the wrongs of the system, and then proceed with a barrage insults – As a result the parent initially seeking help all too often ends up with no constructive assistance pertaining to their case. It’s a far-fetched way of some members to promote support whilst ensuring others don’t get the answers they need, but it does save the CSA / Government too much hassle as parents and advisors create their own wars and the main issue (the CSA) gets sidetracked.

    @ Macon. You, as well of the rest of us, are entitled to your opinion.
    I’m sure your efforts will have the desired effect of delighting some on here 🙂

  3. Sally on May 18th, 2013 8:47 am

    @ chall… Again you tarr me with the same moral standards you have… I have absolutely no reason to lie… You are just upset because people see you for what you are…. Unlike you, I don’t come on here as an ‘advisor’, I give my opinion and usually suggest people go to CAB or seek professional advice… You copy and paste from other websites and have been PROVEN by j. Lisa, Jo and even your buddy Alice… To provide the WRONG information so maybe you should give up your role as ADVISOR until you are able to do it properly!! 🙂

  4. chall on May 18th, 2013 9:03 am

    oh dear Sally, more tosh and nonsense…. lol

  5. Macon on May 18th, 2013 10:10 am


    The CSA cases are getting wound down so why is it month on month more people are complaining on this web site about blatant mismanagement of CSA cases , you bunch of useless individuals have been at this for 20 years now 3 different systems and you still can’t get simple calculations correct ,I just can’t wait until the day people like you have to get a job in a real call center on minimum wage and see wher you narcissistic tendencies get you in the real world !

  6. chall on May 18th, 2013 10:18 am

    Macon, I don’t work for the CSA !

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  8. Iruler08 on May 18th, 2013 9:19 pm

    Want to support a so called NRP fight the now rebranded CSA known as DWP come to Plymouth Crown Court 24th June 2013 Regina v Egonu the DWP not liking how a father answers their questions so all of a sudden it’s Fraud!! The only fraudsters are the CSA and the corrupt legal system it considers will assist them. Lot’s will be asked of this out of date and oppressive agency so it’s up to you to support those of us who will fight this agency head-on!! See you in court !!

  9. John on May 19th, 2013 8:45 am

    Good luck to Iruler08 at the court case. Remember to ask for their oath of office, as they will be acting as a ‘bogus official’, if they fail to produce it. A bogus official in court, would be a matter for the police, I believe.

    @ Sally.

    The CSA are lurching over nrp’s shoulders for years, spying into financial accounts in order to inflict the maximum punishment. What does it say of other financial institutions i.e. banks, where they ask you to declare any financial outgoings, including maintenance payments. A give away of the corruption and collusion that has been imposed upon us through politicians, financiers and the CSA.

    I take your point of things getting better, but nevertheless, I and others are ‘branded’, ‘enemies of the state’, for daring to complain and challenge the establishment. It’s called democracy, but they call it ‘civil disobedience’.

    I am nearing the end of a 14 year reign of terror, and yet I still expect that something is coming my way any time soon, from these scumbags, as they will not like to see me out of the system, until they have ‘bled’ me a little bit more!

    I will NEVER give up the fight against this autocratic shambles, and I am hoping for us all that restorative justice will take place one day, where we can make them suffer, as they have made us all suffer.

    They will reap what they have sewn!

    Good luck and keep fighting!

  10. Macon on May 19th, 2013 10:22 am

    Well said Sally I am in the same boat been a NRP for 13 years no my choice my case is now closed but I am sure they will come back for more, dread every time the phone goes or a brown envelop is pushed through the door , I am seriously thinking of selling up and emigrating to get shot of them . I got MP involved and he was great but why do so many people have to get there MP involved in CSA malpractice when it is only a simple calculation they have to do the CSA is a failure on every level !!!!

  11. Gonk on May 20th, 2013 12:32 pm

    @ chall
    Thank you for abusing my privacy again. You are pathetic,sad,childish,nasty and the biggest piece of shit I have ever had the pleasure of verbally abusing for the shite that comes out of your mouth.I wish I could actually meet you in person so I could happily spit clean between your eyes.
    You just hate it soooo much when you are put in your place on here that your last resort is to abuse people’s privacy . If anything should arise out of your comments about my real name? I will see you in a court ,trust me on that one,I won’t let it rest

  12. Gonk on May 20th, 2013 12:41 pm

    @ Sally/ lisa/ Macon
    Anyone give me any information at all about this chall ??
    I will be asking also on the Facebook page. “IT” has mentioned my name once to often now on this site.

  13. Gonk on May 20th, 2013 1:01 pm

    Chall has twice now deliberately put my name up on this site with quite obvious intention to flag my name up for CSA spies. I know it ain’t rocket science for anyone to be able to do this but for her to make it known to the world by actually posting it is beyond disgusting. As the saying goes that’s aptly reflects her actions ” it’s better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all dought”
    Any one please advise me if there is in way she has broken any law here? I won’t to peruse this

  14. Gonk on May 20th, 2013 1:14 pm

    @ Sally
    Your last comment was well said Sally,fair play to you.i too have these vultures on my mind every single day because of the horror stories I read on here and dread the brown envelope dropping through the door.And none of it now any easier,thanks to this bitch chall casually dropping names again. Wonder when it’s going to crawl from under it’s stone again with some bollocks pointless remark to justify its actions lol

  15. Macon on May 20th, 2013 1:27 pm

    Chall is like one of those people who trawl the suicide site and encourages people to web cam there death for pleasure he/she gets pleasure out of other people’s misfortune scum of the earth no better than pond life what goes around comes around !!!!

  16. Gonk on May 20th, 2013 1:34 pm

    @ chall about Lisa’s remark

    @ Lisa. Your statement is naive. I have and do help all sorts of cases.
    There can be so many variables with each case. It can be practically impossible to give a directed response to posts that offer a couple of lines on text and no real information to work with. Such facts appear immaterial to some onlookers, who also bemoan the wrongs of the system, and then proceed with a barrage insults – As a result the parent initially seeking help all too often ends up with no constructive assistance pertaining to their case. It’s a far-fetched way of some members to promote support whilst ensuring others don’t get the answers they need, but it does save the CSA / Government too much hassle as parents and advisors create their own wars and the main issue (the CSA) gets sidetracked.

    There would be no barrage of insults if the site was free of niggling itchy flees like you .

  17. Sally on May 20th, 2013 1:46 pm

    Hi Guys!! We ALL know that chall is a freak who comes on here to intentionally provide ‘selective’ information to NRP’s who are victims of the CSA…

    When I first came on to this website for help she was actually quite informative…. or so I thought and then a lady called j. corrected her a few times and the REAL chall came out…. she used to sign off “challafairercsaforall”…. but there is nothing about her that is fair!! She is nasty, petty and down right rude and what she did to Gonk was and is wrong but it doesn’t deter her from feeling that she has the right to be nasty when someone highlights the FACT that she is not an ADVISOR with any worthwhile/factual advice.

    She will come back on here soon enough and go around all the people she ‘stalks’ and make petty comments…. I make a point of highlighting the fact that she provides ‘selective’ and ‘WRONG’ information in hope that the OP will not provide her with any information that she may use against them when she decides to get nasty!!

    She is ‘apparently’ a PWC and an NRPP who has been on both sides of the fence with the CSA but, like the rest of the information she provides it’s probably only half true.. and i’ll guess that the half that is true is that she is a PWC….. a disgruntled, jealous PWC…. who is trying to punish all the decent NRP’s because of her ex…. just my opinion…. NOT advice 🙂 🙂 😉

  18. Lisa on May 20th, 2013 2:12 pm

    @ Sally, as I always say dont let anybody grind you down, we will make people realise the CSA isnt fot for purpose, we need to stick together and try and help as many people as possible, join my website,, were also on facebook and twitter, have a look at the information.provided shows how to deal with the imbeciles at CSA

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  20. Macon on May 20th, 2013 2:22 pm

    I have been a NRP for a long time now not my choice and its a pity the Internet sites like this one wasn’t around then because if I would have been able to get information from people like Lisa and Sally all those years ago I wouldn’t have suffered half as much as I did and I would have had invaluable help and support !

  21. Sally on May 20th, 2013 2:34 pm

    @ Lisa 🙂 chall will never grind me down, I know her for what she is (as do most of the regulars on this website) but what does grind me down is that no matter what is said and done (usually lots of comments and opinions from me lol lol), nothing seems to change 🙁

    I have just commented on a post “the CSA are selling my house and I no longer want to live in this country” but it’s left me feeling really sad. What that man is going through, could be our NRP’s in the future 🙁 I have all our assets in my name only, so we have that security but if the CSA can get away with what they are doing to decent people now… it will only be a matter of time before they can try to get family members to pay off debt ….

    I’ll definitely go on to and have a wee look 🙂 x

    Awe that’s nice to hear Macon, no matter what, it’s good to share and get feedback.. 🙂 x

  22. Gonk on May 21st, 2013 2:33 pm

    Hi Sally
    The chall has not come back on this one yet…I too expect it to comment on each and every one of us in a single reply with petty remarks.
    I am fuming still that this b***tch has made a point of raising names again,pathetic bint.

  23. Macon on May 21st, 2013 3:56 pm


    What really pisses me off about Chall is she is very knowledgeable about the workings of the CSA and could be of a great comfort and help to many CSA victims but she chooses to be a very bitter and twisted person and very ugly on the inside but I fully believe you reap what you sow her day will come !!!!

  24. Sally on May 21st, 2013 4:23 pm

    @ Gonk – I would like to think Admin had barred her from the site until she learned to be reasonable with people.

    @ Macon – you are 100% correct, and I believe she initially did help lots of people (including me) but when other people started to become equally knowledgeable and correct her, she would get nasty!! She got nasty with Gonk because he asked her to explain and clarify what she meant a couple of times (completely innocent), she started slagging him off and then posted his real name (she trolled this website and found a story the same as his with his vocabulary (if memory serves – her explanation) and posted his name)?!? What on earth is that all about… I think the woman is mentally disturbed, normal people don’t behave like that….

    She has done the same to others… a lady called j. had a serious illness and would go to hospital for treatment and then come on here to help others and give advice (also very knowledgeable and really nice) but chall took a dislike to her and tried to demean her after every post j. made… it was shocking!!

    anywhoo, as I said, she is a knowledgeable person but so was Jack the Ripper….

  25. topper on May 21st, 2013 11:58 pm

    Always refreshing to pop in such a forum and see that every-one is getting on well with each other.

  26. chall on May 22nd, 2013 12:08 am

    topper, I’m a real bad un.
    I give advice based on the legislation that I’ve had NO input into… lol

  27. topper on May 22nd, 2013 12:28 am

    Ah well, the Legislation, assuming you are referring to the CSA, is an intriguing piece of work, sometimes I find that people do not like hearing what the Legislation had to say, but that’s just my experience.

  28. Macon on May 22nd, 2013 6:11 am


    I haven’t got a problem with legislation that’s is followed and used correctly what pisses most of the victims of the CSA is caseworkers who don’t no the rules and regulations or chose not to follow them no two phone calls are the same advice and why the hell should anyone have to get there MP involved in this shambles of a organisation , He or she should have more important things to sort out this is my experience !!!!

  29. Macon on May 22nd, 2013 6:21 am


    A good example of a failed and fucked up system is 3 different rates for Csa if you are on Csa 1 tough shit you will get on Csa 2 one day ten years later people are still on Csa 1 but it took the Csa one day to move the qualifying age of a child from 19 to 20 it begs the question why ?

  30. Sally on May 22nd, 2013 7:50 am

    Hi guys… There is nothing wrong with legislation as it serves a purpose, however there are definitely problems with the legislation dictated by the CSA however, but for me the biggest problem is that CSA staff do not have a clue what they are doing and have probably never even looked at the legislation (except chall and Alice) and as a result thousands and thousands of people are suffering… 🙁

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