The whole thing is immoral
You only become the PWC if you claim child benefit or if the former PWC chooses to inform the CSA they are not with her . However if the kids are not at school but working, you would not think to make a claim for child benefit as they are no longer qualifying.
To avoid legal recovery proceedings i paid the £5,400 quid they said I owed for the period when they were living in a house I was renting for them because SHE carried on claiming as though they were still at home and at school.
They made statements several others made statements, the CSA did not disute the evidence but just turned up and railroaded the order through under section 33 of the child support act where the only thing that matters was the DWP payments. Ironically she did not get any of the 5400 that was off set against her previous outstanding benefit frauds.
The whole thing is immoral and quite disgusting.
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If you rented a house and paid the rent on her behalf knowing that she was claiming benefits fraudulently then you were as much in the wrong as she was – in so doing you allowed your ex the opportunity to meet the criteria of a PWC
wrong ,she was not living there ,the kids were living there they were 16-18 years old at the time ,she had thrown them out ,but carried on claiming child benefit ,as they were working I did not try to claim it ,no need to as they were not in full time education .
its is not the responsibility of an X partner to police the benefit claiming activities of another private individual .
As I said ,the truth will out if I can get a judicial review, hopefully a few heads will roll at the CSA .
sorry I mis-read your original post and thought that your ex was also living in the house you were renting. Given that the children are not living with the PWC and they are both working she is claiming the CBH fraudulently, she is also claiming child maintenance fraudulently. It is the responsibility of every individual to report fraudulent benefits claims – and in this instance it is in your best interests to do so. the legislation does not allow the CSA to close the case unless the PWC requests this or the QCs no longer meet the criteria (as in your case where they are now no longer living with PWC and no longer in education). The csa cannot get the CHB claim ceased, they also cannot close the case whilst CHB is in payment. As you ave the details of the benefit fraud you should report it to the CHB office.
You can do this online or by phone – give as much detail as you can. Also provide the CSA with the details of where your children are living, where they are working and when they started working etc – if they have this information they can contact the PWC and advise that they have info that indicates that the children named in the case no longer meet the criteria … in my experience it is less likely that a PWC will lie if they are aware that the agency have specific details of the children’s circumstances, if she does it really is beyond the CSA’s control and they must wait til CHB is cancelled.
thats fine until the PWC decides to just lie about it all
very true – but if you are able to provide evidence to the CHB office of when your children left school, when they moved into the house you are renting for them and where they are working they should be able to stop the CHB payments. Do your children work full time and pay tax? Are they getting any top up benefits that can prove they are not in education or prove where they are living?
Unless you contact the CHB office nothing is going to be investigated and your CSA case will remain ongoing until such time as your ex decides to close it.
good luck
yes I did all that with statements from the kids school attendance records confirmation from the leasing estate agent ,letters from utilities and banks ,even dentists , and the CSA admitted all the evidence and still went on to the liability order under section 33 of the child support Act which only allows evidence of DWP payments to carry any weight.
I gave it all to the DWP fraud people but they ignored it because the total for each child was less than 4k ,they do not pursue any fraud less than 4k because that is what it costs them in legal costs to go through the courts . So it stays on the system as a legitimate payment because the government does not like the political storm that writing off benefit fraud creates . In other words your in a state created catch 22, you need the DWP to confirm the fraud to the CSA , but the DWP only tries to recover claims over 4000 , because they do not try and recover ,the CSA carries on chasing the NRP .
Clive:- You need to speak to the Child Benefit Agency on 08453021444 who are administered by the HMRC not the DWP.
The CSA will back date closure to the new child benefit cease date.
Clive:- See the replies to your post of 25/12/2012 for further information.
My ex has defrauded me for 2 years and the CSA were aware but did nothing, between 2008-10, they found out in 2010 but told me it was maladministration, only in 2013 did I discover the truth.
Now if they had told me I could have taken her to court and got that money back. The CSA will not now refund me,
Utter shambles that they are, I am now taking them to court and will claim damages,Interest and invite all the newspapers and TV/Radio to the case.