Still paying CSA when my daughters are 28 and 30 years old
I have been dealing with the c.s.a now since about 1992 and i’m sill paying and my daughters are 28 & 30.My case is almost at an end but i honestly feel sorry for people just starting out with the c.s.a.
I have learned alot about the c.s.a over the years and their tactics and reasons why they cant be beaten by normal means.
You cant beat an organisation who basically tampers with files,fiddles figures,rewrites evidence in their favour for independent case examiners ,invents arrears and hides behind the law.
These days you can send a letter anywhere in the world and it will arrive intacked, send any vital documents to the c.s.a reguarding assessments and you probably have more chance of getting run over than them recieving them.i know it happened,5 documents were requested by the c.s.a for my assessment,all sealed in one envelope,one was missing when it arrived “strange” it was their when it was posted,requested by c.s.a another five times,they disappeared also.
So got M.P involved,suddenly one reappeared,unfortunateley it was the last one reappeared so they could only take it from that date which was about a year and a half after the first one one was sent,which meant i was given a penalty payment for with holding paperwork during this time which i mean files are tampered with.My case came to an end,only to recieve not long later a baliff letter for £4.000 so i had to pay them off with a payment till i could get to the bottom of it,i had not been paying the correct amount ‘strange’ because according to my paperwork i’m paying the correct payment,so it went to court i even represented myself that day and done a damn good job if i say so myself the judge even told me “I HAD A CLEAR CASE FOR DESPUTE” but he passed the liability order anyway.So i pulled the c.s.a representative and asked her why i was told to pay one amount when you meant another she couldn’t answer that one and i asked why was i not notified about arrears biulding up in the back ground,and i was told anything over £3.000 the c.s.a are “guarrentied” a liability order.So that was why the judge passed the liability order and i wasted my time even showing up at court as i was beat before i even got there.I have also had my case in front of independent case examiners and ombusmen on numerous occassions,i keep all paperwork reguarding c.s.a and you can tell by their replies which always side with the c.s.a and your always at fault no matter how much proof you have,that they aren’t reading from any paperwork that i have,which i mean the c.s.a rewrite the records to suit the complaint in their favour.So we have vital paperwork that mysteriously disappears at will only to mysteriously reappear should an M.P be involved, arraers that are on an incubation period until they reach the magic number required for a guarentied liability order by the c.s.a thats why you are not contacted about arrears.
They also lie,i asked if my ex wife was recieving my money, reply no the secretary of state as she is on benifits so i replied to their letter no she isn’t she has always worked and i had proof,so they changed the reply to no your ex wife recieves the money,But seen as one of their other tactics is at the beginning is to create a situation where both parents no longer communicate which leaves the road clear for the c.s.a to play their little sick game with both sides you have no way of checking.
This is how the c.s.a have a hold on people because they wait till other peoples arrears reach the majic number so they can whip them down to the court for that liability order on them to make it all legal then they just play legal system with you and rob you blind after that by hiding behind the law.
I will send a more detailed account of my case in due course with all the c.s.a mess ups just as soon as its ready as i’m busy preparing it now with my time with the c.s.a ending this year “again” because i am expecting another little hick up from the c.s.a so i want to be ready for them when it happens.Because add anything to my case this time and i will be going straight to the tv with my story that i am still paying for daughters who are 28 & 30 years old and all the major c.s.a blunders on my case to date with the letters of appology to prove it and these mentioned are but afew and i will be coming out with the tampering of files,fixing of figures the hole works,i’ve spent years fighting the c.s.a now through the normal channels and learned it gets you know where,so play the c.s.a at their own game is the only way and expose them for the crooks that they really are.
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Oh My!! I understand completely what you are going through as my partner is going through almsot the exact same. We got a copy of our file which has clearly made up letters on it. The best one is we moved to our current house in September 2011 which we can prove through solicitors. When we got CSA file there are letters addressed to our new house which are both dated 2009 and posted 2 years before we even moved here. We didn’t live here or have any connection whatsoever to the house. We have fought the CSA to say we never received correspondence and they have said if they post a letter that is sufficient to say we have received it but I know for a fact that in the years me and my partner have been together he never received letters at all.
We are fighting them on arrears as my partner was on benefits and they have assessed him paying double that.They have 2 huge assessments in place – one being 168 weeks at £97.84 per week when they knew he had only worked for 35 weeks. The other is for £101.07 pw for 124 weeks when he only worked for 24. That creates a huge overpayment.
We got a copy of his file from the CSA to verify all this.
They are the biggest bunch of crooks at the CSA. I often feel that although we are fighting hard we are getting nowhere as the CSA appear to change the rules whenever it suits them.
I hope you get to the end of your payments and no more arrears appear. Good luck with your fight to have someone take interest in your tale. I would be interested to know more and how successful you may be.
PS We have our MP involved and are supposed to be getting a meeting within the next few weeks with a Senior Executive Manager in the CSA. Our MP has seen all the incorrect correspondence etc. so hopefuly we will get somewhere. Did your MP ever arrange a meeting like this?
Yep good luck with your case. The CSA have totally worn me out over the years. They have the power to stitch decent people up who have always paid and been compliant and sadly the past government allowed them to do this and the present government have allowed this horrendous situation to continue. It just goes to show what a shambles this organisation is, if the best advice given on here is to get your MP involved.
As for going to the TV companies, I did read a recent comment on here that there is a media gag on the CSA, unless it shows them in a positive light, (no chance of that then).
Really what can anyone do against this out of control Agency. I wasn’t meaning to give advice of MP involved. It’s just that Gary mentioned his MP helped and I wondered if he ever had the chance to have a meeting with Senior Officials in the CSA. That’s what our MP is arranging now. Although it has taken since 16th March and still no date!!! Even a judge agreed with Gary but a liability order still had to be granted. The CSA are above the law and do whatever they like. Who else can anyone go to?
Really this Agency has almost broke us as a couple and a family! Sometimes I wonder if there any point in still fighting because the more I read the more the CSA get what they want even though they are completely underhand? gary’s case sounds like my partner’s and I know from previous posts Brett you had to continue paying when you shouldn’t have either.
Carol, I didn’t get any joy when I saw my local MP, but I like to think some of the decent people who have been destroyed by this loathsome organisation, have seen their MP after being advised on here and they have something positive come from it.
I haven’t put my “hell story” on here yet, but keeping it brief, I’d never missed a payment, (I was paying a very reasonable amount every month) and always replied immediately to any correspondence.I get a phone saying I owed over £11,000 in arrears. The CSA had reassed me 6 months previously and back dated it nearly 4 years. I was then threatened with baliffs and a liability order. How dare they ! I’d done absolutle nothing wrong. They just used me because I was in a professional occupation, where they could crucify me financially to make up the money of the absent fathers, who don’t pay anything. These are the people the CSA should be going after. No but its all about figures/targets. So why waste their time when they can walk all over people like me and you, your partner and Gary who’s horror story we are replying to. Im so angry and bitter.
Hello Carole & Brett
Sorry about the delay in replying as its only tonight i noticed i had any replies to my story.
I can understand you both feeling like whats the point in trying to get your seperate case’s sorted out when everything you try just gets you no where but thats the whole point its just you against a huge government agency and the law and you feel like just giving in to the c.s.a.
I thought like that once but i thought no i’m not giving into them i know i’m the one telling the truth so why should they get away with wrecking honest peoples lives and basically stealing all their money for children who probably never see a penny of it anyway as nobody has anyway of checking as the c.s.a sorted that at the beginning of peoples cases as most people had contact with ex partners until the c.s.a got involved.
we just have to think like Robert the bruse,if you dont succeed at first try and try again and he won well i think he did.
Like Carole states the c.s.a said you were notified yet you know you weren’t,i was notified many times well according to what the independent examiner was reading written specially by the c.s.a of course for to score maximum points and i learned over the years that he is like a sponge and takes anything in.
I learned even the c.s.a have interference on their phone lines when you phone them as on one occassion i was already paying full child support and £40 a month off their invented arrears they wanted more,so i phoned them and told them i couldn’t afford anymore than i was paying now i rang off,must of experianced interference just before i rang off as in “come in mr wright your breaking up are we’ve lost him” we’ll stick him down for £80 a month anyway off the arrears so not long later a letter arrived that i had agreed to pay £80 per month off arrears,so back on the phone they didn’t want to know because i agreed to pay that amount took it to M.P got nowhere this time.
Here is another one for you,paying baliffs by direct debit every month without fail,what could possibly go wrong well i have learned if the c.s.a have anything to do with it anything is possible.So paying Philips collections every month without fail for quite sometime and i get a letter off a balif company that i basically defaulted on my payments.checked my bank statements and thinking no i havn’t all the payments have been taken.so eventually got to the bottom of it,not before costing me for a solicitor,and a payment to the baliff company as he was back before i had chance to sort it.
You just couldn’t make this bit up,the c.s.a had 9 months previously changed the baliff company that was collecting for them yet no body bothered to tell me,so i’m paying through the bank one baliff while i’m defaulting with the new one,eventually got it sorted but never got my baliff fees back though.So same arrangement taken with the new baliff again set up with the bank,nothing can possibly go wrong this time “wrong” got a letter from another baliff company months and months later i have defaulted on my arrangement ,again you just cant make it up,the last baliff company just changed their name so i was paying the baliff under the old name which didn’t exist anymore but still took my payment but i had defaulted with the company under the new name who weren’t recieving any payments at all on their paperwork
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When my liability to the c.s.a ended obviously through my M.P otherwise it would still be going on today,
i was told that i no longer had to pay the c.s.a any money as that account was now closed and should only pay the baliff company what was left on arrears.About a year ago i was on the phone for about 35 minutes to the c.s.a and had to ring off at the end as no matter how many departments i was passed to nobody could find my file,only somebody must of found my file as i have just recieved payment slips off the c.s.a on a file that has been closed for quite sometime now and i was told not to pay them anymore.
I would advise nobody to let a relationship suffer be cos of these clowns personally i wouldn’t give them the satisfaction.
My case will be at an end pritty soon and after years and years of fighting the c.s.a i can honestly,honestly say i feel sorry for anybody just starting out with the c.s.a or still have years to go with them but even when my case ends the way i look at it the c.s.a might be finished with me but i’m not finished with them yet.
I would like to see the c.s.a finished like everyone else who has had dealings with them lives been wrecked.
But how does anyone beat the c.s.a because like they say you were notified,if you dont default,they will do it for you,if you pay regular c.s.a payments and dont acumulate arrears they can sharp fix that too they’ll just simply invent some and then notify you at a later date once its passed the majic figure for a guarentied liability order because that way they know if you fight it in court the judge will take their side no matter how much proof you have because he has legal guide lines to go by and you have just passed one,no going back now but dont forget when these arrears first started you were notified and you never complied after all they write all your paperwork so afew extra bits for their. file will be no hardship for them.
The problem now is you have your first liability order and the c.s.a say its out of their hands as its now legally binding contract.The baliffs will say they take their orders off the c.s.a and the c.s.a will say they have no control over the baliffs as the debt has been passed over to them.this however will only be the arrears that the baliff will be collecting, the c.s.a will still have you for your regular maintanance
so the c.s.a get to play their sick little game with you while you are having to pay the baliffs anyway or loose the contents of your home and possibly your car and even i hear these days they have the power to take your driving licence off you so i believe,yes they’re bad
Even as Brett says they now have it so you cant bad mouth them on tv either so basically they have just about every avenue covered with all results positively fixed in their favour and the politicians dont really want to know even though they invented the organisation in the first place,so it was invented by the crooks that all reside in the robbers roost (houses of parliment) and the c.s.a is run by crooks.So its not looking good for anyone beating the c.s.a with everything being fixed by the c.s.a and you not having a leg to stand on and your lives being totally ruined and dreading the next time you see a brown envelope come through your door knowing who it will be off and what surprises will it have in store for you this time.
One more thing MP’s are normally good for getting appologys off c.s.a but thats about it,solicitors just adds more expence to your already over stretched budgets and these paracites will write back and forth till doomsday,my client says this and my client says that,they arent interested in your case they just want your money,thats why i represented myself in court that day when the judge agreed with me,when you have a problem with c.s.a and a court day is set just get your paperwork in order,number the pages use a high light pen to go over the paragraphs or sentances of interest to your case and make an index of your own with page numbers and paragraphs and a brief note on what they contain,so that when the judge asks you a question just look at your index for the bit relavent to his question so you know what page to go to and which paragraph should their be more than one on each page so that you can produce the proof in seconds.
we have to ask ourselves though what a world we must live in when a judge goes off legal guidelines rarther than off evidence produced in ones favour of being not guilty of what ever reason you are at court for that day. Also like most of you out their until the c.s.a came along never having been to court before,never having any reason for a balif to visit your home and never having been in bother with the police or having been to prison or even been close yet now we are outcasts and made to feel like criminals.
So bottom line is if we cant beat the c.s.a by conventional means as they have all avenues covered so that we can get our lives back,then maybe we should play them at their own game by drawing peoples attention to what really goes on at the c.s.a behind closed doors which should make it harder for them to get away with it and show the c.s.a that they arent the only ones who can make things up we can make things up to, only once it eventually gets round i would imagine that the idea i have should stick and everytime anyone hears the name c.s.a they will automatically associate it with what i have in mind and hopefully the c.s.a will become the laughing stock of the whole country with a name hard to shake off once it sticks.i know it sounds corny but it might just work because no one has any hope of beating them the normal way as we have all tried and failled misserably i think the only way forward is to draw attention the the c.s.a and what they get upto just like the M.P’s expences once that story broke who would of predicted that politicians would be cueing up to hand money back that they had fiddled in their expences tottalling in some cases thousands and some even going to jail after trying frantically to block any of it from reaching the public domane of what they were upto behind peoples backs but we all know this happened once papers and people power got behind it.so like they say in the movies its a long shot but it just might work.
We have nothing to loose because we are loosing all we have anyway to the c.s.a and everything to gain should it work.
Many Thanks
Gary Wright
I have read your stories with interest. I have 18 months of my ‘prison sentence’ with the CSA to do. I am expecting that when my case gets near to its’ conclusion, I will get ‘whammied’ again with the ‘lies of arrears’ story!
Just remember who put this flawed legislation on the books! The corrupt M.P.’s!
My M.P. ended up ‘in bed’ with this bunch of out of control wheelclampers. So, be careful who and what you put your trust/faith in! I was backstabbed by my own M.P.
My answer is to withdraw any common decency from anybody in the political or public service arena. When they ask for your help, refuse point blank. If they knock on your door for help, consider calling the police regarding harassment. They are attempting to criminalise decent, honest people using fraudulent methods. Do not cut them any slack!
What happens between parents and their children is for them to sort out, using bona fide methods. It has nothing to do with a bunch of corrupt, pen pushing amateurs, aided by flawed legislation!
disgusting csa I compare them to 1945 german extermiation squads