Paying for 16 years and now told I have to pay until my son is 20!
Advice needed!!!!
I’ve been paying the CSA for 16 years for my son who’s 19 in February and still in further education at college. I’m under csa1 rules, and was due to finish payments on his 19th. I rang the CSA on Friday to be told if my son remains in education I’m responsible for maintenance til the age of 20!
Is this true?as when I’ve asked about this very subject I repeatedly been told by them that it my maintenance would end on his 19th. So what is the truth??? Does anyone out there know?
I would like to add I’ve never missed a payment and I’m not in arrears , so is asking that the Gestapo have the decency to write to each NRP and inform them of the changes (in place from 10/12/12) and how they will be effected too much to ask? Apparently it is, as the Gestapo half wit I was patronised by informed me that the PWC are being written to about the impending “pay rise” they’ll be “entitled to” 12% of your gross salary for one child !!!??, am I the only NRP that has always paid what was asked without any fuss as my child is my responsibility , but has made the huge mistake of rebuilding my life, new family and mortgage , so where is this extra money per month coming from ???
And to add insult to injury, the PWC keeps the child benefit, and any other benefit they receive ? Haven’t these changes created the very “problem in society” described by Secretary of State in his autumn budget this very week ….
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You’ve not been transferred from CS1 to CS2 in ten years why do you think the CSA are capable of transferring you to CS3 in less than fifteen months?
Hello wilf,
Cos the CSA are changing ALL cases to the new system by 2014, which means the brown letters bearing news of impending financial misery will be landing on the hall floor sometime next year.
But being realistic, the CSA are so back logged and with so many non payers to chase, and in this age of public spending cut backs, I would suggest it will take at least 5 years to catch up. But I maybe wrong…………
A case would only be moved from CS1 to CS2 if the original case was closed and then the PWC re-applied after 18 weeks of closing the CS1 case, or if a new case was brought to the agency after 2003 when CS2 was the current scheme. The age limit was up to the QC’s 19th birthday. As of 10/12/12 the age limit has changed and is now up to the QC’s 20th birthday, providing they are still in non-advanced further education and CB is still in payment to the PWC.
The first cases to be moved to the 2012 scheme (where the PWC has 4 or more QC’s to the same NRP) have been moved to the new scheme. Cases will continue to move over on a phased basis based on how many QCs in each case. The new age of 20 will apply to all cases.
You pay for your son! dont you think you should support him? he is still learning and not working (assuming no full time work). i will be supporting my child as long as she needs me to. im a single mum whose baby’s father disappeared , no contact, no payment. its great to hear uve been paying all these years but reality is that children are very expensive! and this is our duty to give them all the best 🙂 beside love doesnt count money or,,,does it?
“You pay for your son! dont you think you should support him? ” absolutely agree so let the payment go to the child directly. If they are old enough to vote, fight in a war, get married they are old enough to handle support direct. No need for the PWC to cause a problem or have anything to do with it.
As you case shows everyone has options and if NRP’s are pushed too hard they will exercise those options. Laws only work if there is consent.
It’s very difficult to support a “child” whom I’ve had no contact with for 14 years due to his mothers irrational behaviour when it came to my access time. He’s been poisoned to believe he was abandoned by his uncaring father.
It sounds as we’re on opposite sides of the spectrum, your ex vanishes and pays nothing, mine took everything financially and used the children emotionally. In my humble opinion both are as despicable and evil as each other.
Everyone on this site has a story and it makes very sad reading, and I’d like to think all NRPs want to support their children and do what’s right. All we want is a bit of respect from the CSA and for them to listen, but alas that I fear is a piped dream.
All I wanted was for the CSA or the government to make a public statement concerning the new rules. Not to find out on this site or as I did when I called the agency regarding another matter.
That’s really admirable that you’ve kept paying all these years with no contact. I hope some day you get some recognition for that and that your son realises what actually happened.
Cheers smithy, but as Paye and a public service worker, you have no choice but to pay as we are easy targets. And despite everything, I’ve always stood up to my responsibilities . The ones I despise are the degenerate morons who have unprotected sex then refuse any responsibility towards the child by blaming the woman who said she was on the pill, or whatever, or the ones that are self employed but “don’t have any money to pay”. They’re your kids so do the right thing by them. So who will look after them? The system? That’s you and me who already provide for our own kids and now as a nation we’re supposed to look after their kids as well, they’re the ones the CSA were supposed to be targeting not decent honest dads .
The age limit was up to the QC’s 19th birthday. As of 10/12/12 the age limit has changed and is now up to the QC’s 20th birthday, providing they are still in non-advanced further education and CB is still in payment to the PWC.
What was the rationale behind this idea? pure and simple robbery with violence.
Foreverskint:- In 2003 hundreds of thousands of CSA clients received letters saying everybody would soon be on CS2 and CS1 would no longer operate yet here we are in 2012 and there are still over 300,000 cases still on CS1.
Only later did the CSA bring in the 13 week closure rule (one quarter of a year).
Do not forget it’s Parliament who make and change the laws.
Do not forget it’s Parliament who make and change the laws.
Laws the CSA use to suit themselves, The Germans acted under orders too 70 years ago.
Call me old fashioned but there is a right and wrong and how CSA employees behave and treat parents is questionable to say the least.
However it is very true that Parliament sits and watches and allows it to go on.
Interesting the papers never report this, May explain Cameron’s stance following Leeveson’s enquiry, The corruption is at a very high level here. But it will come to light one day and hopefully justice will be served albeit to late for some.
Get the laws changed then the CSA would not be able to operate.
Do not ask me how but we are supposed to live in a democracy.
Lobby your local MP perhaps?
Create a lobby group maybe?
Start a petition on line?
to change the law you need the people to all act together. lobbying MP’s who are all morally corrupt and out of touch is unlikely to work. especially as the press turn a blind eye too.
Britain just does not do this!!!!! god knows why.
Sadly untill we all take to the streets and demand it , it will not happen.
A look at History will reveal that people do have enough of corrupt leaders
The French revolution for me is what this country is slowly heading towards where the priveliged are lording about paying big bonuses and expenses and putting the average Joe on the breadline. It is even more galling when the leaders are making big errors as they go, last Summers riots were a warning. Sadly it appears more sinister action may be in the pipeline for some who feel enough is enough.
while not condoning this action i can honestly say, I could understand the reasoning why the public is being shortchanged by out of touch and corrupt government.
We don’t live in a democracy, pay a fortune for an enquiry into the press, then DON’T act on the recommendations.. ( in case the truth of the Tory relationship with certain media barons is exposed?)
Tell the country it’s skint and cut public spending to the bone…..yet still give India billions, and they’re putting a rocket into space !?
Continue paying numerous African countries billions in aid, while public services are financially raped, ( apparently the metropolitan police are having their funding cut by £500! Million over 3 years, yet their commissioner has promised the cuts won’t effect crime fighting !!?? …oh really?)
Change the CSA laws, without having the balls to make a pubic statement about it, did you see it reported on the tv or hear it on the news??… Neither did I
Yet MPs get a full pension after three terms in parliament, paid immediately and to help pay for their increase in pension contributions will get a pay rise to cover it!…and why do they get expenses, it’s their choice to be public servants.
Glad we’re all in this together.
How many coalition MP s would get into power if every NRP refused to vote? We could be a very powerful lobby if we organised ourselves properly? But we put up and shut up cos we are British and that’s what we do ?
Think about this….. If your bank whom you have your mortgage with decided to increase your monthly payments and the length of your loan without telling you, there would be uproar!!….. So how does the CSA get away with it??!!
Foreverskint, this is exactly the type of appraoch we need.
Having a ‘corrupt’, ‘flawed’ system imposed upon us, without consultation of those who are paying, is undemocratic at the least! However, out bent politicians will produce evidence of consultation processes with groups who are pro their legislation. i.e gingerbread and a whole lot more! Never the anti CSA groups!
Politicians call it ‘civil disobedience’, when Joe Bloggs doesn’t conform with their imposition of flawed laws. i.e. Poll tax! I call it the right to protest and freedom of speech!
In recent times I have seen to ‘spoil’ any ballot papers and protest in every which way I can against the CSA.
650 Mp.’s and 740 Lords, all with their snouts in the troughs at public expense. One rule for them. different rules for us!
If you tell the people enough lies then given time they will believe you!! But regarding the beloved CSA , I believe enough is enough and it’s out of control politically and financially . Of course our children must be maintained, but that’s a given, but the NRP pie is only so big.
Reading other threads on this site it appears there is no common sense shown by the CSA. An NRP usually loses the house and any savings in a divorce and gets awarded the family debt then maintenance., usually after the very bitter ex wants even more blood on top of the pound or two of flesh she’s already obtained.
Are the CSA that naive or plain stupid when it comes to an NRPs finance? The chances of a mortgage is almost zip, due to lack of cash for a deposit, and do they know how much it is to rent?? Then bills , then travel costs ( do they know how much it costs to fill a tank these days?, or the cost of a rail season ticket?) then if you’ve any thing left you might be able to feed yourself, and the kids when they come to stay. Then there’s the “treats,” like clothes for when they stay cos mum dresses them like tramps (does all this sound familiar?) then on top anyone being assessed now, it’s 12% “gross” ….. So how are we supposed to live?
And exes should be told that if they work then it’s ok to spend their own money on the kids…. Cos the way I see it, and granted I am biased and very bitter, is the NRP support the kids when with the ex… Then who supports them when they’re with the NRP?… Oh we do, doh !! So the NRP gets double whammy!!!
Luckily we like beans on toast and not having a social life, and thank god for onesies cos I can switch the heating off !!! Right touch.
Off to ly down in a darkened room with a bottle of vodka….forget the vodka as I can’t afford it .
So lads, what are we going to do about it????
How do you get stories published, The press need to get involved no-one likes a bad press especially the Cameron-Clegg brigade.
Untill the press get involved it is very difficult to achieve anything, they also know this and hide behind this.
I E-mailed sky news on the 11th asking them if they could look into the CSA and how they’ve introduced the new changes , but guess what? Not so much as a courtesy reply…. But then again when the major shareholders of BskyB , and some past employees, are on texting terms with our out of touch prime minister, what did I expect???
I wrote to my Tory MP in November following a dispute with the CSA , only to receive an extremely patronising letter from some complaints clerk from the agency, who did not answer my question directly, but provided two pages of drivel, when a simple “yes” or “no” would have been more than enough!!
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Basically, I think most agencies or non NRPs aren’t interested in our cause, or think we’re trying not to pay, cos we don’t get very good press. What we need is a sympathetic MP who could put up a good argument on our behalf, does anyone out there know of one ?
We are all being criminalised as ‘dead beat dads’, and in Camerons words we are ” worse then drink drivers”! I have no convictions whatsoever, and like to think that I am a decent, honest bloke. However, I am being treated like low life scum!
The facts of the matter are, that we have interferring politicians, sticking their noses into private/family matters, which are fook all all to do with them, and bypassing lawful systems to impose their will on us, so the conclusion must be, that it’s about state money and NOT childrens’ welfare!
What comes around, goes around, and I swear that one way or another, I will ‘lawfully’ get justice for the way these scumbags have treated me!
Well I put a post on here about this new change where I refuse to pay past my daaughters 19th bithday, 9 days after the so called 10th deadline however, my solicitor is now on board as the CSA did not publish this increase or even put it on there website this still tells us all payments stop at 19. With this in mind were going down the root od Maladministration, ( failure to provide information, and Misleadding statements). If proved the CSA have misadministrated I hope to get my case closed off. Perhaps many others of you might try the same, I had a call from them today saying my complaint had gone to the top, and are now looking at the facts. Facts are the CSA website was last updated october 22nd, and no mention of the new law was present. I will let you know my outcome.
I’m in the same boat. I was 4 weeks from finally being free from 19 years maintenance payments (never missed one) and they do this. My son has not lived with his mother for well over a year, I got him a job where I work which sees him take home £180 pw and he does the max 12 hours college so I am now liable to pay his mother for another year. It’s got nothing to do with not loving or caring for my son but he is now an ADULT!!! If I chose to help him out it should be exactly that! My choice now. The CSA don’t care that he earns a good wage, nor do they care that his mother has just taken the step father for £250k in the divorce courts. It’s all wrong on so many levels but this ridiculous agency refuses to act in a fair manner. There is no one on the NRP side and never has been.
That’s brilliant news, and I wish you every success with your appeal. If you succeed, and god willing you will, could you be so kind as to post your solicitors contact number on here, cos my boy is 19 in February and if the Gestapo have fucked up then I would like a brief who’s aware of the facts.
Lets face it, luck shouldnt come into it as they’ve lied and bullied us by sneakily moving the goalposts , and nothing made public, and not even updating their web site!! Or informing the HMRC who’s site still states maintenance ends on the 19 th birthday!!
Once again, all the very best, and thanks for sharing it with us……..over to you “Alice?”
Thanks for that information Richard. My last one is 19 in July 2013. However, I have recently found that he is living and working away from home. I have contacted Child benefit fraud dept, and told CSA. Child benefit gave good reply and thanked me for info, CSA (tw-ts), have tried to ignore this new info and fob me off, cuz they just want to screw money from me, and ignore benefit fraud………so i have whacked a complaint in…….put that on your performance indicators!
Knowing the corrupt government and CSA, they will yet again ‘bend’ the facts to suit themselves!
Hi has anyone had any joy with their complaint? Mainly aimed at Richard wells. We have just received notification of having to pay csa again after our case was closed on sept 19th 2012 due to the child turning 19. The pwc told my child to get onto any college course just so she still gets chb and now csa. This is sickening as she’s just had a new baby without the baby daddy being around and being brought up on benefits. My child also helps her with buying food etc as they work four days a week as well as college. This just seems immoral and illegal, how can it be right to change the law and be able to get more money once a case has closed??????? I’m thinking of seeking legal advice.