New Fathers 4 Justice stages protest at CSA offices
Campaigners for the New Fathers 4 Justice Group staged a protest at the CSA’s offices in Dudley, Birmingham.
Staff were confronted by a group of around a dozen protesters as they showed up for work on 20th September, and say that they were sworn at and accused of being “child abusers”.
Officers from the local police force were on hand to prevent any attempts by members of the group to scale the building, and according to one demonstrator, Jeremy Pogue, their presence prevented them from entering the offices.
The 49 year old, who had travelled from his home in South Wales to participate in the demonstration, said:
“There were officers at every entrance, denying any access to the roof.
“But the next time we com we will be on the roof – I promise you that.”
The protesters, who came dressed as The Pope, Batman, Iron Man and Spider-Man, with one female supporter dressed as Wonder Woman, allege that one member of the Child Support Agency staff made a v-sign at them.
Gary Roe, from Derbyshire, masterminded the protest and said that he had been paying £30 every week towards the upkeep of his daughter voluntarily to his ex-partner. However, the CSA had upped the payments to £77. Mr Roe commented:
“We are fighting for 50-50 rights because at the moment, the courts are all one way.”
A spokesman, on behalf of the CSA, said:
“The Child Support Agency arranges and collects maintenance payments on behalf of almost 850,000 children and will not be intimidated or deterred from that task.
“Separated parents can arrange their own private maintenance arrangements without involving the Agency if they are able to. If anyone feels they have been unfairly treated by the Agency there is an independent complaints process.”
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It’s easy to understand why victims of the CSA protest.
I am unable to reach any private agreement with my ex-wife, because she is a ‘control freak’. So! I challenge ANY M.P. CSA worker OR any member of the Government. Exactly how can I reach ANY agreement with my ex wife?
The truth is that the CSA don’t want any agreement as it takes work away from them. So here I am stuck between two control freaks!
It’s a total shambles and an utter disgrace and to say that they obtain money for 850,000 children is yet another lie and miscalculation by them.
Corrupt politicians who do not bat an eye lid are as guilty as the corrupt thieves at the CSA.
The question is:- Who will eventualy have the ‘bottle’ to call an end to the disaster known as CSA/CMEC?
The Child Support Agency arranges and collects maintenance payments on behalf of almost 850,000 children and will not be intimidated or deterred from that task.
At the same time they are putting a further 850,000 children and families deeper into poverty, splitting families up, putting many NRPs into poverty, demolishing family units, corrupting the welfare state by supporting the PWCs who demand more and more. Whilst at the same time ignoring the pleas of others.
What a sterling job this agency is doing.
Graeme
You might be frustrated at the CSA – so am I and I am a PWC / mother but I dont believe ‘stunts like this achieve any respect from others. All this does is make you a laughing stock and not taken seriously, which Im sure is not what you want? The court system and the CSA system fail both PWC and NRP due to the PWC and NRP who play the system and the system lets them! There are many of us out there who want the system changed to be fairer for all, but I dont think this is the way to do it.
Good luck to them i say. Next demo should be outside the plymouth offices. Useless isn't the word for them. The csa should operate fairly to nrps and pwcs. Its the CHILDREN that is meant to benefit.
Laura the Plymouth offices are on the list hun 🙂
What about Hastings? Please
We intend to meet them all in person.The time has come to stand up to these incompetent bully's !!!!!!!!!
Hastings are great! Had one woman there tell me that I can't do that in relation to working out my assessment and so tried to screw me! Funnily enough the LAW EXPLICITLY said she had to do it the way I had said! I had to appeal on a point of law and immediately at appeal it was altered to what the LAW said it should be! The fact it cost me my job and so ended maintenance payments and cost the state upto £10,000 since is obviously what the CSA was set up to do! I'll NEVER willingly co-operate with the CSA!
If only everybody was like us Lee then they would have to sort out this abhorrent agency !!!!!!!!!!!!
True. Just need to ensure my maximum liability is £5 per week, can't come back and reassess me as it's obvious what I have earned!!! I now have so much understanding of child support legislation, I really wish I didn't feel I had to!
To accept passively an unjust system is to cooperate with that system; thereby the oppressed become as evil as the oppressor. Non-cooperation with evil is as much a moral obligation as is cooperation with good. The oppressed must never allow the conscience of the oppressor to slumber.
Im a pwc and i opened a case with the csa in may 2009 when my son was 3 months old. I've recieved a copy of the file through data protection last week and what a waste of time, energy, paper, telephone calls and emails it is. The csa presume and dont collect facts. Im going to shut the case now as Im fed up with them and their sheer incompetence. I'll dress up as a superhero and protest outside the offices. Tried the complaints route and wrote to the secretary of state and got nothing and nowhere.
For soooooo long, the staff at The CSA have hidden behind the cowardly assertion that they are ‘just following orders’. This far and no further. Yes, those giving the orders are absolutely culpable for seventeen years and counting of the greatest failing in the history of the welfare state – BUT SO ARE THE STAFF. To attempt to claim otherwise would belie a failing in both logic and morality which would be second only to the enormous stupidity of anyone who would attempt to make such a ridiculous assertion. For CSA staff to do what they have, both done, and do, to perfectly reasonable, child-supporting parents simply because that staff ‘has been asked to do it’ is reprehensible cowardice of the highest order. No responsible civil servant would ram such an appalling example of right-wing, regressive, Orwellian garbage as The Child Support Act 1991 down the throats of children just because someone had asked them to do it. Less so would they consider doing such a terrible thing FOR SEVENTEEN YEARS, as day by day the mountain of PUBLICLY RECORDED EVIDENCE AS TO THE TRUE AND APPALLING CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS GREW BEFORE THEIR VERY EYES. As the above protest did so wonderfully well, it is vitally important beyond words to remind these truth-denying ‘civil servants’ that it is THEY who are playing fast and loose with taxpayers’ money and that it is THEY who are PREVENTING, and have PREVENTED FOR SEVENTEEN YEARS, the support of countless millions of children. To be harangued outside their offices by courageous protesters is the least that should happen to these criminal ‘civil servants’. Self-evidently, as people who would force parents to do wrong by their children, along with their politician paymasters, they should be prosecuted for a manifest, publicly-recorded, SEVENTEEN-YEAR-LONG abuse of people’s human rights and taxpayers’ money.
Laura this is our point exactly the csa does NOT work for anyone except themselves. All they do is mess everything up and deliberately harm the children they claim to support, they have been getting away with this child abuse for 17 years and we think it is time to stop flogging the dead horse and put this shambles to bed.Let us all go back to court where the best decision for the children can be made and NOT what is in the best interests of the civil servants !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quite simply, the CSA was founded to recover a proportion of the cost to the state of benefits! It has never as far as I'm concerned had the interests of the Child first and foremost! In fact, its actions actually harm the interests of the child and the population at large. A parent that wants to support their child will do so without interference, one that doesn't won't! They are the ones the CSA should go after but if that were to happen, the legislation would have to be seen as FAIR and JUST. TWO parents are responsible for the upkeep of the child!!!
Highly commendable and totally agreeable!!!
Has any1 got the date for the protest on the Midlands CSA offices?
The time to take action is now-It is undisputable that the CMEC/CSA is a failing , ailing quango that is against children because it takes money away from their parents. It does not recognise that the NRP has to pay for the time when the child is with them , but also wants the NRP to pay for the time when the child is with the PWC. By failing to take into account the PWC ‘financial responsibility’ it allows the PWC to exploit the NRP for money and neither does the PWC have to account for how the money is spent i.e on the child!!
The PWC fails to appreciate that having the child with them is a privilege , but once having gained custody , claims the child as a burden and uses that to demand ‘support’ from the NRP even thought the NRP is somebody they have otherwise cut ties from! This is an example of how the system gets abused without any checks and balances. On the other hand , when you do have women who have been genuinely abandoned by their partners and who are financially dependant , who do they turn to? It is a complex problem that cannot be resolved with one solution fits all policy of the CSA.
It is has been proven that it is no more than a corrupt goverment tax agency masquerading as a ‘ child welfare agency’, because it retains a certain percentage of the money extorted from the NRP and keeps it for itself.
It is unelected and undemocratic and has no place in our society. The goverment is actually placed the CMEC under review so the time is ripe to present our case against it and get rid of it once and for all. There then should be a democratic ,open public consultation for a more comprehensive humane solution to the issue of financial responsibility of the parents that is one part of the absolute disgrace that is family law in the UK
It's just another agency sticking it's nose into peoples private business and more jobs for the boys. I'm pretty sure they hinder more families than they help. There has got to be a better way than this. The poorest people as usual get shafted and that goes for mums and dads.
Huh complaints procedure,,,,, thats a f……ing joke.
WOW! All this negativity just so people don’t have to support their children… it’s disgusting!
CSA don’t split families up, or make families impoverished, it’s the people who don’t support their children that do this, all by themselves… What a big bad world this is, the CSA took money off me to provide support for my child! Damn you CSA! WOW!!! Maybe you should try being a single parent with a low income. The CSA support money helps put shoes on YOUR children’s feet, FOOD in their MOUTHS.
It’s disgusting to hear so many people annoyed with having to provide money for their children, well here’s the big news that you all probably weren’t taught when you were kids. If you don’t want children, PUT SOME THING ON THE END OF IT! If you didn’t, and you had a child, then you support that child until it comes of age. Simples…
Yes …no checks and balances…by design, only an ostensible one. Thye offer this pretence to pacify a public that cannot be bothered and only when we come to discover it ourselves does it become apparent. We all need to listen to each other and support one another now as if not..more of the same is on its way.
One of the biggest loopholes concerns the self employed. It seems at the plymouth offices they presume that all nrps have trading accounts & do their tax returns. In my case they didn't bother to check. Therefore my child & his 3 other half siblings suffer & all because some idiot cant be bothered to make a phonecall or write an email. I'd love to be in charge of the csa for 1 month & give it the shake up it needs. A fairer, efficient, simpler system for all. One that benefits the children not their pocket
Donny i take it you work for the csa cus your talking through your arse and havent got a clue what the csa does to famlies. Until you know what your on about put a sock in it
graeme your reply hit the nail on the mark! Its actually nice to see some people have the same views! My partner has always seen his child, wanted to see his child and paid for his child. It is the mother who constantly changes the goalposts and has now stopped the child staying at our house because we confronted her about her behaviour. It went to mediation where she acted like a little girl lost funny this is the same woman who swearing down the phone a few days previous-now we have a letter to say she wants more money because we dont have the child to sleep, it wasnt our choice, so why should we pay? And i totally totally agree about these situations splitting up families and making other children suffer! My stepson is dressed in good quality and has all the latest stuff. We struggle to pay and so our children suffer and go without and yes the strain of it gets to blended families esp as like i said none of it was our choice!
Hi Leanne
I think you will find I am not the only person with this view. I have posted on here that I am losing contact with my son, because of the greed of this agency.
I now feel that I will no longer seek out another relationship, for personal reasons, but also I dont think I will be able to afford to have a relationship. I would not be able to support that relationship financially, I cant even afford to support myself once my new payments come into force. But the main things is my child is well looked after, wants for nothing, my ex is pretty reasonable about the whole situation, its just this damed draconian corrupt sadistic agency demanding more and more from people.
Keep your chin up Leanne and keep fighting them on all fronts. At least you have the strength of character by the sounds of it to stand by your partner and vice versa. That is the main thing. And your kids will soon learn what you and your partner has gone through as they get older.
Good luck
Graeme
Donny
I shall keep this simple so that a simpleton like you will be able understand if you can think that hard enough.. you are a tosser
Read (if you can) the stories on this website. Maybe then you will be able to comprehend what some parents have gone through.
Have a nice day
Graeme
It is for parents to put shoes on THEIR childrens feet and food in the childs mouth NOT the CSA.
What happens between me, my ex-wife and my children it is absolutely nothing to do with a ‘job for life’ civil servant/executiv or office worker.
They should return all of the money to all parents who have paid ,because they have NOT collected £4 billion pounds from evasive parents. and let them off!
It’s called discrimination!
And so spaketh Donny…
“WOW! All this negativity just so people don’t have to support their children… it’s disgusting!”
Thus (I’m getting bored with this), if you’re not for The CSA, you’re for the non-support of children; if you’re not for The Poll Tax, you’re for the profligate financing of local government services; if you’re not for the death penalty, you’re for murder; and if you’re not for the Iraq war, you’re for Saddam Hussein. Welcome to the intellectual reasoning of George W Bush.
“CSA don’t split families up, or make families impoverished, it’s the people who don’t support their children that do this, all by themselves… What a big bad world this is, the CSA took money off me to provide support for my child! Damn you CSA! WOW!!! Maybe you should try being a single parent with a low income.”
Struggle with The English Language do we, Donny? All those years studying The Very Hungry Caterpillar numbed your brain to the delights of The Bard, have they?
If a person were to ignore publicly-recorded fact, evidence, legislation, seventeen years of reports from within and without government, not to mention all feelings of compassion and humanity, then dispense with logic and reasoning, and reduce their capacity, perhaps with the assistance of hallucinogenic substances, to an intellectual level consistent with that of bog slime, they could just think you’re on to something there, Donny. Someone phone Oxford University, I think I’ve found the next Carl Sagan.
“The CSA support money helps put shoes on YOUR children’s feet, FOOD in their MOUTHS.”
While not for my child, Donny (but you knew that, didn’t you), I concede that this is entirely possible… in the sense that the Government hiring thousands of Hercules transporter planes to fly endlessly over the UK throwing sacks of fivers out of the back would also, I’m sure, as you put it, ‘put shoes on children’s feet, food in their mouths’. However, and to just come back to the real world for a moment: Because of the way, both The Child Support Act 1991 is written, and more’s the point, operated by the CSA/CMEC, it is just as likely that money will be taken away from children as ‘given to them’. How unreasonable of parents to complain at having money taken away from their children (for which read ‘life-chances’)… would appear to be the state of your, particularly poisonous, mindset.
Not that you let boring old fact and reality inform your opinion – obviously – as, in common with so many CSA apologists, you simply sideline all consideration of the inconvenient truth that is, both legislation, and evidence, in favour of the mere assertion of your own prejudice. Bigoted as well as stupid – what a hot date you must be, Donny.
So, as it would appear that, in addition to your having personal and intimate knowledge of those contributing to this website, you also have access to publicly-recorded facts and evidence which the rest of us – including, apparently, Her Majesty’s Government – seem to have been missing these last seventeen years, please answer the following questions:-
1. From 5 April 1993 to the present date, how much money has been collected and distributed by the CSA?
2. How much of the money collected and distributed over this period by the CSA was/is *new money?
3. How much of the money collected and distributed over this period by the CSA has been used for the support of children?
4. How much of the money collected and distributed over this period by the CSA has been received by children?
5. What has been the cost, in pounds sterling, to the exchequer in having the CSA collect the above money?
*New money defined as money which was NOT already being used for the support of children by those from whom it was collected.
Not to mention Common Law and the Magna Carta. Inventing statute laws that become unchallengeable, is at the very heart of destroying any alliance between common people and people who are ‘allegedly’ their peers, or in a position of public trust!
In turn, the ramifications of these political actions, could possibly lead to wide scale disorder. i.e the Poll tax!
I have sworn, that if I am asked to contribute any decency toward any politican/councillor or any good deeds that assists or aids our society, my help will not be forthcoming. They have left me ‘high and dry’…let’s see how they like it, when I withdraw my support for them?
They treat decent, honest people like ‘scum’ and expect them to accept it! We’ll see about that, when they want some ‘good wil’l from me!
Wow all that crap that just seemed to flow endlessly from finger tips; so I guess there is a lot of people here full of crap. To be honest I expected the insults especially from the school yard bullies; there is bound to be more… saying something that someone doesn’t like and they simply resort to insulting that person. You are most definitely more intelligent than me D McKeever, Silly Me.
Mr McKeever, how are you affiliated with CSAHell? Also, I would like to know what superhero was you dressed as, the Pope or was it Wonder Women. Or were you just pretending to fly around, arms out stretched, and making jet engine noises with your lips, like Iron Man flying?
Who do you think you are? Acting in the manner that you did? Speaking about Saddam Hussein, Mr McKeever, didn’t you just try to “GAS ME; with nerve gas” for having an opinion that is different than yours?
Mr McKeever you have that nasty smell about you that reminds me of, BNP. You didn’t vote for them did you? Because you definitely have the same flavour as those bullies; did someone say something I didn’t like, quick, punch him in the mouth, shut him up, ABUSE THEM….
Mr McKeever your patience is outstanding; I would so hate to have a bully dad like you D McKeever. People like you should have NO INPUT on these websites, because you shouldn’t be allowed to have children, especially with that aggressive, abusive nature of yours D McKeever. Like the saying goes “any man with a prick can have a child, but it takes a real prick to be a father” just ask Graeme or John!
‘… I have sworn, that if I am asked to contribute any decency toward any politican/councillor… ‘
Don’t worry John, you won’t be! And you shouldn’t be allowed near anything that has a detrimental effect to families and their wealth-fair. You grumpy git!
‘…or any good deeds that assists or aids our society…’
I think I have already summed you up John, you’re an Anti-Social Bully, and there is no room for your type in society.
‘…They treat decent, honest people like ‘scum’…’
I agree with this statement John, probably one of the first correct things you have stated amongst your entire dribble. BUT, like I said, you don’t count here, so I guess this doesn’t apply to you.
If you want to judge my English, you should try reading some of the articles and responses on this website… I would say D (or below) level GCSE English was used! Especially some git called D McKeever; at least I managed to switch the ‘Dictionary and Grammar Checker’ on.
READ the article D McKeever, what a bunch of ASBO breaking idiots! Seriously, who do they think they are?
I have had real experience with the CSA and their clients, all the time; whilst working in the CAB (that’s Citizens Advice Bureau John). All there interested in is, how can I get around this or that; fundamentally, how can I pay less money. I had a chap last month who, if he wasn’t working away 5 days a week he would spend 2 days away from his current partner sleeping elsewhere; on Job Centre records, so the mother of his child can claim Housing Benefit. She also claimed CSA; another mother to another one of his children was also claiming CSA… And all this was done to pay less maintenance money on two children! The things people go through to NOT support their children. O I wonder if they will split up, I wonder if he will find another partner and have another child. That is just one case, I come across many… daily!
The main function of CSA is “We make sure parents who live apart from their children contribute financially to their upkeep by paying child maintenance”. Yes, they have in-house problems, but, fundamentally there on the money! If you’re not financially supporting your child, why? Because the X is a nightmare, o she does this and that… NOT GOOD ENOUGH! Stop being jealous and move on. When your child has grown up, they are going to know that daddy done all he could! Sell your car, get a cheaper one or give up smoking, find ways to become more frugal( that means economical in use or expenditure; prudently saving or sparing; not wasteful, entailing little expense or requiring few resources John). IT’S FOR YOUR CHILD!
D McKeever, STOP giving your crap to people! Also, stop cutting and pasting your old crap from other articles into new ones… COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW, SOMETHING ORIGINAL, but not crap! You got it? Probably not ay! There there, be a good girl!
Donny – Hi, lovely to hear from you again. Erm, I fear this suggestion will be a bit difficult for you to comprehend, but in my last comment I asked you to answer a number of very straightforward questions, these pertaining to the success or otherwise of child support policy in the UK. I assume that you have answers to these questions as, implicit in your explicitly personal attacks on those about whom you, quite evidently, know nothing, is your making of very bold claims vis-a-vis those questioning it. Firstly, why have you not answered these questions, favouring instead yet more bizarre, dissembling, bigoted nonsense, and secondly, would you please answer them now? Thanks.
Still as proud as ever ay!
But, I will give you some credit McMc, the insults are far tamer than previous postings… Well Done! Alas, NOT completely, but a definite improvement.
Let’s have a look shall we…
‘ … I fear this suggestion will be a bit difficult for you to comprehend … ’
You just couldn’t help yourself could you…? That urge to be a bitch just took over; you couldn’t help but keep on bullying me. You know, I was brought up to think that when someone insulted you it was to deflect the attention from themselves. Maybe you have a big nose, deformed genitalia, maybe your fat or just ginger, whatever it is your obviously feeling very insecure about something. See if you can get some counselling, it MIGHT help. I on the other hand, I think you’re a nice person and anyone reading this should find ways to make McMc feel better, she’s self conscious and worried what people think of her; hang on… isn’t that the definition of shallow?, not sure and can’t be bothered to look, anyway moving on…
‘… favouring instead yet more bizarre, dissembling, bigoted nonsense … ‘
But yet you call me a bigot because of my candour? Slightly confused after your comments to me… look it up, just in case, look up ‘candour’ as well…
Ah! Here we are, to the point of her whole fallacious being.
‘ … but in my last comment I asked you to answer a number of very straightforward questions, these pertaining to the success or otherwise of child support policy in the UK. I assume that you have answers to these questions … ‘ i.e. The famous 5 questions asked in previous post.
“There is a tendency to mistake data for wisdom, just as there has always been a tendency to confuse logic with values, intelligence with insight. Unobstructed access to facts can produce unlimited good only if it is matched by the desire and ability to find out what they mean and where they lead. Facts are terrible things if left sprawling and unattended. They are too easily regarded as evaluated certainties rather than as the rawest of raw materials crying to be processed into the texture of logic. It requires a very unusual mind, Whitehead said, to undertake the analysis of a fact. The computer can provide a correct number, but it may be an irrelevant number until judgment is pronounced”. Norman Cousins.
I feel that nothing can be said to raise your veil of ignorance. Tim Berners-Lee whilst at CERN gave us the web-server and web-browser. Creating a system of communication across the world that would soon be brought to everyday man. Increasing mans potential for achievement exponentially. And through this medium we were brought ‘The Bang Brothers’ and other evils to hideous to mention flew through the webs veins; never to be taken away from mans (or child’s) minds. You sun shine, with the veil of ignorance cemented firmly to your eyes, have chosen to actively cause contention through your writings here, with your desire to acquaint us with adverse reporting’s between the CSA and their clients. Not only this, but you have aimed these attacks towards people who are vulnerable, usually in emotional pain and exposed. Simply because of the nature of the information exchanged between the client and the CSA; children and past loves. You madam are ‘The Bang Brothers’ and your corrupting the sacred order that is families.
For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another.
Yes, yes… I know, I wait with bated breath for the insults, accusations and annulling acknowledgments which are to follow…
I hope that you will at least think about this, I so hope you do… Because I am sure that if you continue to walk down this path YOU have chosen. Life will throw you a curve ball; when you least expects it, that will bring you crashing down to your knees, and you will feel their pain…
“Justice turns the scale, bringing to some, learning through suffering.”. Aeschylus.
I fear this is probably the last time we will communicate, I got taught to be the better man and walk away, because your replies are not going to be anything other than defamatory, soul corrupting and abrasive. BUT, I live in hope…
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Donny, if you want us take your noble quest in life seriously please feel free to post any links to independently published articles which actually praise the work the CSA do …..
I’d like to say a big thank you to Donny for his contributions to this discussion. Every now and then some parents with care offer a little sympathy for the CSA, believing the real enemy is their ex. They’re usually new to the CSA, and it’ll take them time to learn, but learn they do. Thankfully, we have people like Donny to remind of just what absolute self absorbed morons the CSA really are.
Quoting Aeschylus??? Really? What a twat. I like Aeschylus as much as the next classics enthusiast, so much better than Euripides (who kept writing his way out of corners by introducing gods to sort the problems out) and Sophocles who, in Aristophanes ‘The Frogs’ at least, bowed to Aeschylus’ superiority… but that has fuck all to do with the CSA.
I could sit here are and, like Donny, attempt to show how well read I am and how much I like to use the thesaurus on my PC – but that’s irrelevant. Keep the comments coming Donny, you’re doing an excellent job of reminding us of just how idiotic the CSA truly is, and helping to build our case against the CSA staff for cyber-bullying (which is growing nicely).
I look forward to hearing about which classic you’ve looked up on Wikipedia next.
Did Donny make a mistake when he said he has worked for the CAB, surly he meant CSA, because the CAB help everyone that are being treated unfairly or unjustly
Instead of us all just moaning on here, shouldnt we be posting the replies we receive from our MPs? After all, it is they that give the agency their powers and it is government that reap the benefits of the agencie’s corrupt actions.Our children are what matter most and that goes for nrps and pwcs.For too long we have been divided in this but its all of us and our children that suffer. Many nrps are abused by agency staff and their lives destroyed by this government led system.Too many pwc are receiving nothing or very little from the nrps that the agency should be chasing. Be honest, if you a nrp not paying would you even bother with a site like this? Doubt it, If you are a pwc receiving way too much and enjoy seeing your ex being destroyed would you be here? Again I doubt it. Therefore it seems we all have a common cause to be here. Lets stand together, stop bickering and get our MPs to listen by writing to them at least once a month. We need to demand answers. THe CSA are violating our Human Rights on a dialy basis, yet we do nothing to highlight this. We cannot talk about our troubles and do nothing about them.
I am most likely to be seen as a deadbeat dad. by anyone in support of the abusive actions towards my child by CSA.. here goes!!!!
I am a disabled NRP…. I have shared care with my son by having him with me each weekend and through the School holidays….
I have arrears which are inaccurately assessed.. therefore an illegal and criminal offence commited by the CSA amongst other of the CSA’s criminal offences against my child e.g;attempted theft by CSA, obtaining by deception and also Fraud.
My child detests the CSA , he is only 13 going on 14….. Why would my child detest the CSA?
a) My son sees that the CSA steal from him by deducting money to prevent me from providing for him during shared care arrangements.
b) My Son’s PWC has 2 working incomes into his household… (both incomes made by his stepfather while PWC stays at home living off CSA payments which are not calculated to the amounts of monies the CSA deduct from myself) The PWC also recieves in the additional incomes an addition of WFTC’s (working families tax credits and child credits.
I am happy to look after my child while PWC goes on holiday with her husband,(My child’s stepfather)….. on the financial input supplied by CSA which is not calculated or equal to the sums that the CSA deduct from myself, in fact… those amounts are considerably less than that I have provided by deductions.
My child believes that he should be the beneficiery of those amounts, not the PWC and the CSA. How do the CSA respond to this demand?
Do the CSA support the welfare of my Child? well niether my son or myself agree that the CSA is supportive to the child’s welfare but to favour the PWC with smaller amounts than which the CSA deducted as the CSA claim… in the interest of the Childs welfare…
The CSA is not supportive to the welfare of the children but in the support to the government by stealth taxing already compliant NRP’s…. meanwhile… non compliant NRP’s are left to carry on independantly without the CSA’s intervention of DEO’s.
I was under the impression that the CSA was created to persue non compliant NRP’s…. why is it the CSA have changed their objectives to persue the compliant NRP’s?
The CSA are theives that steal from children as they eat, sleep, play, go to school and every other activity that children like to do…… this is child abuse, anyone supportive to the behaviour and actions of the CSA are as equal to committing child abuse as do the CSA.
I have found a way to prevent making payments, I have harrassed the CSA to amend their illegal actions, as soon as all the evidence I gather forms the evidence… I will present the evidence of the CSA’s illegal activities to the Police…
The CSA is not above the law, is not supportive to my child’s welfare and only supportive to the government who put the CSA in position. I do not believe the government is going to support the CSA’s illegal actions and the child abuse they commit towards my child…. We will bring this oppresive organisation to it’s knees…… For the sake of my child!!!!!!!
The Child Support Act w and Child Support Agency were setup to recover some of the costs of the Welfare State. It just so happened that other children might benefit.
Therefore it can be taken that clearly they will go after compliant NRP’s first, it’s all about the MONEY!
Dear Donny, Donald duck…the Mafia Don… whoever you are…
Please feel free in laymans terms for my child of 13… how large deductions from my income are recalculated to a lesser amount and then provided to his mother, (the PWC) have been supportive to him…
1) Where are his new clothes his mother is supposed to provide for him from these monies provided by CSA payments by deduction from myself (the NRP)?
2) Where are his new shoes his mother is supposed to have supplied to him from the deductions I have provided?
3) Why is it “I” the NRP is happy to use my benefit money to provide the items his mother does not provide by CSA payments that the CSA have illegally deducted by inaccurate calculation of arrears?
4) How has the PWC found it impossible to provide such items when provided CSA payments recieved by deductions to do so… on top of 2 fulltime working incomes, WFTC’s and child benefits?
5) How has the CSA provided support to my child if the PWC has not provided the items these payments were made for?
Feel free to explain so that my 13 year old child is able to understand why his PWC mother is able to go on luxury cruises and holidays while my child stays with me during the occasions my PWC is spending those CSA payments on a lavish lifestyle and relies on my financial input to provide clothing and footwear from my benefits which are considerably lower than the income I had during employment.
Tell my child how you support the CSA’s actions that deny my child financial support from myself without interference and theft committed by CSA through the actions of Fraud and obtaining by deception (where the CSA use incorrect variables to make calculations for deduction)
I look forward to your reply…. The CSA thrive on the break up of families, force children to be separated from their NRP by causing the NRP intollerable financial difficulty therefore preventing NRP to provide financial support during contact and shared care arrangements throught their (CSA’s) aggressive actions against NRP. Abusing the rights of the child by preventing such financial support being direct to the child by compliant NRP.
Why is it the compliant NRP is the target and not the non compliant NRP that is made financially destitute to keep CSA officials and staff in employment?
Average Joe….
I am already aware of and believe the comment you made… however! I am directing my questions to Donald Duck, Ronald Macdonald, Mafia Don, whoever DONNY!!!!
Donny is the 1 who supports the abuse of my child’s welfare by supporting the CSA’s actions of relieving myself the NRP of the ability to financially provide for my son during shared care and contact arrangements and preventing the financial support to my child by providing deductions to the PWC and unfortunately, my child suffers financial hardship even though the PWC does not suffer financial hardships…
Donny is a child abuser, I would tell Donny face to face that donny is the supporter of child abuse by CSA and therefore in support is as guilty by providing such support to become as much an accomplice to child abuse by such said support that Donny has willingly displayed in donny’s comments.
Donny! is a typical example of the person who believes the CSA is supportive to the child but has Donny had any experience either as PWC or NRP?
Has Donny noticed the deductions are considerably greater than the payments the PWC recieves?
The CSA are theives and steal from the hungry mouths of children and NRP’s.. FACT!!!!!!!
To accept passively an unjust system is to cooperate with that system; thereby the oppressed become as evil as the oppressor. Non-cooperation with evil is as much a moral obligation as is cooperation with good. The oppressed must never allow the conscience of the oppressor to slumber.
Whilst I have my own agenda, I do try to look at everyones posts objectively. Unfortunately others cannot and seem to have such biased views one way or another. It is best just to accept it and not rise to it, if they bothered to dig deeper, they would see that neither parties interests are best served by the CSA. The far more important party is the child in each case.
The crazy thing about the CSA is that the money they collect from compliant NRP’s is more than likely already allocated by the NRP for the benefit of the child.
What a ****** up country we live in, the sooner I can leave the better!
I’m suspecting the possibility that Donny is our facebook/ CSAhell; named and shamed Jamie Smith…. Is Donny a psuedo-personality for Jamie Smith????
Oh dear!!! Our Dear Donny is non compliant to any request for reasonable answers to our questions in regards to his or her support of the CSA’s maladministrated donations via deductions from NRP’s income,
or for that fact on how the CSA have supported the Child by said monies.
Very forthcoming with offensive remarks and insults though… strangley! it would appear that Donny’s attempts of intellectual prowess fail him/her in such epic manner as to Donny presentng such abhorrent material which would be unrequired by such a self proclaimed intellectual as he/she would have us believe…
Donny is a Psuedo intellectual as evident in his/her psuedo intellectual presentations in reference to his/her thoughts and support of CSA’s Child abuse.. proving that our Donny is most certainly of intellectual incompetence rather than prowess. Donny is blinkered by a lack of experience and pure arrogance… Is it possible that Donny grew up without a resident daddy?
Is it possible Donny’s Daddy disappeared and mommy had to tell Donny.. Daddy left us.. I’m such a bitter selfish woman and I blame your Daddy my dear Donny!!!
Thus…..
Donny’s experience is
a) All NRP’s have no right to live a reasonable life…
b) All NRP’s must suffer his arrogance ant demeaningful attitude.
c) All NRP’s have no intentions of providing for their child.
This is Donny’s mind set… ARROGANT & BLINKERED!!!!
There is a higher authority
And to add to that,
a) all (Well nearly) NRP’s would love to support their offspring ( but not be raped for the privilege)
b) Most NRP’s are being screwed by bitter ex’s by using a blunt instrument (aka the CSA) for unreasonable amounts of money, which is being used (generally) for the increase of lifestyle on the PWC’s side.
c) all NRP’s should live in sheds/car and not be afforded any life whatsoever… ( sounds familiar in my own personal case, but hey, thats what I deserve apparently)
d) PWC’s (mainly women) have the entire weight of the legal establishment on their side due to the fact they can replicate ( which is discriminatory).
e) Most “men” now deem women as toxic objects, which at best should be avoided or held at arms length due to the financial penalties.
f) the balance is not 50/50, where it should be.
It’s quite simple – close the CSA & hand the process over to the courts on a case, by case basis, that way at least a resemblance of fairness might ensue.
like all good conspiracies, there will always be people like Donny on the extreme edges who miss the point, or lack the objective viewpoint from which to make a reasoned judgement….but thats life in our “uneducated” society.
Stick to the singing Donny! ‘Puppy love’ would be approriate!
Poor Donny if he works for the CSA he knows whats going to happen
to him,The MPs will all turn on the Csa when its in their interest to do
so,what does donny think is going to happen when all the other
companies like the banks, councils, gas electric, will do because
1000s of people cant pay their bills and the CSA are getting the money
first .Yes that’s right those companies will lobby the MP,s and
the CSA will be gone after the usual statements from the government .
Donny does not understand that the UK is run by the corporations,
those same companies will see the company called the CSA as
a liability to their own profits ,of course to subdue public anger
a few examples of workers at the CSA will have to be made,So
Donny if you work at the CSA pack a tooth brush no need to pack
soap you will find some to pick up in the prison showers.