My son has skin problems so the CSA should keep paying for him
I’ve been reciving regular child maintenance for my son Daniel Patryk Bunting DOB 7/11/1993 from his dad Dominic Bunting for the past 16 years due to a court order, however my son stop going to his dad for the weekends since he was 9years old. He has not seen his dad for the past 4 years. I’ve never ask CSA to review my case as i didnt know if this would any difference to CSA payments. My son is now 19 years old and in full time non advance education until next summer 2013 i am getting child benefit for Daniel and that will continue until Daniel finish his college.
I’ve recived letter from CSA saying that My child maintenance case was closed on 5/11/2012 because Daniel is 19 years old, Daniel has dietry erquirements and skin problems so i think this CSA payments should carry on until Daniel finish his college course and goes to Uni, unfortunately i can’t speak to his dad. I would like you to contact Dominic Bunting and ask him for further payments.
Thank you very much.
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Strange title. Everybody knows the CSA do not pay. The non resident parent pays.
Also this is not the CSA’s web site Eva, you need to call them on the telephone number given on the letter you received.
I am sure many NRP’s have developed skin conditions and worse over the years he is 19, old enought o die for his country etc. Thank your lucky stars his DAD has paid all this time loads go scot free.
Your ex has done everything required of him by law to maintain his son, who’s now 19 and at the time was regarded as an adult. I’ve got to ask, what effort did you make to keep up the contact between father and son, bearing in mind he was 9 , and at 9 you do as you’re told. So why should your ex carry on paying? Why don’t you take some financial responsibility for your son instead of bleeding on about how bad your ex is!!!
If you’re looking for sympathy you’re on the wrong site… The CSA and you’re ex aren’t the problem, you are
the age limit has been raised to 20 so you can re-apply, you will only get paid money that is collected from the nrp, the csa do not make the payments. your son’s skin condition does not play any part in the entitlement
Maybe she should buy some Eczema cream with her next “wage” from her ex.
Eva,
You can re apply directly at the CSA. The age limit was raise from 19 to 20 years on 10/12/12.
Ignore negative comments and unnecessary cheap shots.
chall
First of all this is an open forum not a csa official site so you shouldnt give out details on here like the ‘childs’ name. (or the fathers name for that matter)
Second what on earth has the ‘skin condition’ got to do with anything? I dont get it? You have had a heap of money, the case is now closed. In ten years time if Daniel gets chicken pox will you be after more money? Just get on with your life and leave your ex alone. Have some pride woman you are letting the side down.
Quote j on December 19th, 2012 11:49 pm
First of all this is an open forum…
You would all do well to remember such!
As such, ANYBODY can ask questions about the CSA at expect a decent response – it’s NOT just limited to the NRP’s amongst us!
How many times do NRP’s bemoan their guilty until proven innocent with the CSA? Yet, you consider yourselves justified to condemn others – double standards, you should all ‘Have some pride’.
chall
100% in agreement with “j” and “forever skirt”
Stop relying on your ex and have some bloody pride….get a job…if you already have one ? Then get another and what has your sons health got to do with the csa payments.
And Chall…..we all know that the csa is a money robbing stealth tax system using it’s name as a smoke screen….it robs from NRP’s to pay back the treasury for money it pays out to benefit cheats and Jeremy Kyle layabouts as well as young single mothers who believe the state owes them everything. In most cases the csa do zero to help parents with care…for a few…yes,they are a minority,and as for the NRP…well they are dirt in the csa’s eyes, easy pickings on the paye system. No one complains on here just for the benefit of their health,no one is against the basic principal of supporting their kids,BUT most are against this government agency sticking its ore in and forcing payments and us having no say in the matter,hell….you think it’s fair that a father is not entitled to know how and where his hard earned cash is spent,if at all on the child or children it’s intended for. You think it’s fair that he is assessed without any consideration of his vital expenditure in order to live. You think it’s fair that a father if left struggling with his new family because he’s forced to maintain at a rediculous level his ex despite her being so well off due to her new partners wealth and not needing this money.you think it’s fair that a fathers new family has child tax credits taken from his new partners children to pay his ex.Do you not consider it be fairer to take into account an ex’s financial status and to pay her a fair amount according to that status ? Do you not consider it fairer to assess a NRP based on his ability to pay what he can afford?
We all know this agency serves only the treasury and no one else.
Gonk,
What I think OR consider has NOTHING to do with the rules under which the CSA operates – There is a huge difference between personal opinion and legislation.
It certainly would not be FAIR for me to cherry pick who I am prepared to answer, just because I do not agree with the rules!
I assume you and the other’s realise this site aims to serve both NRP & PWC?
It’s such a shame that some NRP’s find it appropriate to hide behind a username and have a go at a fellow site user – is this the limit of their mentality?
Surely, it’s time to get over point scoring and who’s go it worse, we are well aware of the failings!
Having operated nearly 20 years and well renowned for failing parents and children, nothing much changes for the benefit of its clients.
WE (NRP’s & PWC) would like to see a fairer system and although biased campaigns over 2 decades by either have proven to have little effect, us parents still remain divided and unable to afford the other with a bit of give and take – it’s absolutely senseless.
IF you and others (NRP’s and PWC) really want change, look outside the box , see past your own issues and get some balance. Try having a campaign that includes both NRP’s and PWC and can not be deemed as biased.
chall
Very much the kind of half witted answer I expected from you.listen up …it is biased and heavily against the father ( NRP)
Anyone else care to agree with me on this..please speak up.You failed as I expected you to do so…to answer, agree or disagree with any of the points I made,you sound like one of those politicians whom when asked a question ,answer with a totally different question.
And hell yes I hide behind a username because I am not stupid enough to give my real name whilst knowing the csa scum view this website.
The FACT is that a good 75% of the moaning and bitching on this site is done by NRP’s……..why? Because the bloody system is not fair….YOU try and look outside the box and at least see that and say something about it and at least appear to be on the side of both NRP’s and the PWC and not……as it appears from your replies,on the bloody side of the csa…yes it’s the law but its bent and corrupt.now I ask you again,give me an answer to all the questions I ask you about being fair…give me a simple yes or no to each….it’s not rocket science chall. Simple yes or no…I will start you off……do you think it’s fair that a NRP overall living cost and expenditure should not be taken into account when he is assessed ? Answer …yes or no? You will answer with neither but sit on the fence which makes me wander why you bother at all ? Since you only offer advise or give replies that only tell us all how and where to work within the csa law…..but we all know the csa law is an ass and is why this very site exist.
If the csa was a fair system to both parents and it done its job properly ……….WHERE WOULD BE NO REASON TO HAVE THIS SITE CALLED CSA HELL
Does that not tell you something and you mention.your last paragraph makes me laugh ” see past your own issues” I speak for fathers with similar issues to mine and as far as seeing passed them……well sorry….no..it’s difficult to see past a vast amount of ones disposable income forcibly taken by this government and not being allowed to know how and where it’s spent.
Your ref to having balance…..lol….there is no balance…the scales are heavily weighted on one side only.
Campaign that includes both NRP’s and PWC ???? It’s about the csa we should be campaigning surely? Getting rid of it and letting family courts decide on what’s a fair amount and throwing the the ones that try a shirk their responsibilities into jail.I DO NOT want some government busybody telling me how to run my family affairs after a breakup and CERTAINLY dispize them for forcing money out of me without question or mediation but purely because my ex rings them and opens a claim….thank you very much madam…we have him now ….” ka Ching …Ka Ching “
Gonk,
I have looked outside the box for the last 5+ years, whilst I (a PWC) have used my spare time to assist other’s (mostly NRP’s) with their CSA issues ~ I am NOT employed to do the job and I, although it may surprise you, I have no need to humour you!
It seems the only way that Gonk thinks fair, is Gonks way…
Sadly, if you feel your posts justify the crap you give to others, obviously you should just continue moaning about how unfair it all is and maintaining your double standards from behind your computer. After all, you don’t feel the need to be fair to other’s, any more than the CSA do – it takes a certain kind of person to see past the end of their nose.
Merry Christmas and goodwill to all men 🙂
chall
Your sarcasm shows very well and also shows your anger..I am laughing at you .
I fail to see where my double standards are in these post? Maybe you can show and quote me ? Please explain what part of my wording on her is crap…please for others to understand as well…..oh and the ” my way” as we’ll..I’m puzzled on that one can you explain ? Oh and the ” what’s fair to others” INFACT ….you don’t seem to make any logical sense at all and certainly have done nothing in your reply to my last message that even remotely answers any of my questions…how the hell have you managed to help NRP’s when you just give out sarcastic remarks to them….I am one of those NRP’s…so please help me by answering the bloody question
Do you think it’s fair that a father is assessed without taking any of his living and outgoing expenditure into consideration.its a simple yes or no…I’m sure you would HELP an awful lot of NRP’s on here with an answer that gives them comfort that you are on their side or at least sympathis with them.and it’s got nothing to do with me being FAIR to others but everything to do with the csa being fair with us all
Yes I do and will continue to moan about it…..it’s an unfair system…which I seem to have a real problem trying to get you to see…maybe you don’t see ? In which case please tell me how you help NRP’s ? You certainly seem pretty useless at understanding and feeling for us that do not agree with an unfair system….but very good at sarcastic replies to questions you either can’t answer or choose not to
Merry Christmas and goodwill to all women
Chall……You also say you are a PWC which means you are not robbed by these vultures every month yr in and yr out.maybe that’s why you sit on the fence and take neither side but give out useless information to people that with the csa’s track record will get them absolutely no where.
I’m not going to reply anymore after this as its quite clear you think it’s fair what these people do by your replies to me.
I’m in the ” Brett ” and ” foreverskint” gang here.and the likes of you are useless to us cause all you do is advise people to work within the csa law and don’t rock the boat…this is why it will never change…because we ” go along” with it
Have you previously missed the fact my OH is a NRP!
Quote Gonk; ‘so please help me by answering the bloody question
Do you think it’s fair that a father is assessed without taking any of his living and outgoing expenditure into consideration.its a simple yes or no’
NO, if such are not overly inflated!
‘so please help me by’ in return trying being less abusive to people who have NO bearing on your personal situation. You ex and the CSA may be giving you grief, nobody on here has any control over that – It really isn’t endearing!
Quote Gonk; ‘I’m in the ” Brett ” and ” foreverskint” gang here.and the likes of you are useless to us…’
That’s entirely your prerogative, I won’t loose any sleep over it 😉
On a lighter note take a look at the link below, think I’d be tempted to change my username…
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gonk
chall
chall on December 20th, 2012 7:24 am
Quote j on December 19th, 2012 11:49 pm
First of all this is an open forum…
You would all do well to remember such!
I am sorry but do you have mental health problems? Are you some kind of weird perverted stalker? Do you fancy me then? Are you a pervo?
Dear Gonk, dont worry, eventually it gets bored and buggers off, glad its you for now though, I nearly went to the police, I dont like perverts or stalkers. This one just follows you around like a weirdo and has a go at everything you say, probably sexually frustrated or something, or on a care in the community scheme.
Look at my post, all I did was warn the person not to give out too many details on an open forum and pervo had to have a moan. Seriously weird if you ask me or maybe I’m being stalked?
Ps Eva
Like I said, this is an open forum, so best not to give too many personal details, especially the name of the qualifying child etc. This isnt the csa, its a site for mums and dads who have had problems with the csa.
How many times do NRP’s bemoan their guilty until proven innocent with the CSA? Yet, you consider yourselves justified to condemn others – double standards, you should all ‘Have some pride’.
Reading the original post i feel all comments are justified. Alice also deserves all she/it gets.
Qoute J;Look at my post, all I did was warn the person not to give out too many details on an open forum
and the rest of your post….
Second what on earth has the ‘skin condition’ got to do with anything? I dont get it? You have had a heap of money, the case is now closed. In ten years time if Daniel gets chicken pox will you be after more money? Just get on with your life and leave your ex alone. Have some pride woman you are letting the side down.
… was condescending!
There does appear to be a small bandwagon of forum bullies forming on here. The veil of anonymity seems to bring out the worst in some people, it’s such a shame for other CSAHell users.
Stuart,
The OP asked a question, maybe it was genuine, maybe it wasn’t and just was posted to cause a stir – either way, what followed has been completely unnecessary and could potentially reflect badly on CSAHell as a PWC flogging. As a non biased site I’m sure admin deserve better.
It beggars the question why such posters continue using site that obviously does not reflect their feelings – are they purposely trying to bring CSAHell into disrepute?
Re Alice,
No, chasing knowledgeable site members away can never be a good move and has NO benefit to other members who may need to benefit from their help. Advice given is ‘within the rules’, and although that may not suit all – we are still stuck with it.
Re Alice,
No, chasing knowledgeable site members away can never be a good move and has NO benefit to other members who may need to benefit from their help. Advice given is ‘within the rules’, and although that may not suit all – we are still stuck with it.
With regard to this, Alice was intent in belittling one of my posts and calling me and a PWC liars as it did not fit with her ideal of the CSA, she shows no compassion and states to only work on facts and legislation. she NEVER admits her glorious company is acting wrongly and decides to pick and choose when to answer, Her rules are stated and that is it, when proved wrong there is no more comments.
I am happy to post my name i have nothing to hide and agree NRP’s and PWC need to work together, However if Alice, Wilf and Yourself whom all appear knowledgable on the subject, Gave some advice on what to do and how to approach the matter then great, Less abuse would follow when the blame is put on the above posters for not knowing the ” rules” The CSA do not issue a handbook, maybe they should, so why do Alice and yourself not provide links and access to literiture rather than state rules is rules it’s tough get on with it.
I Want to pay for my kids but have been placed in serious debt by the CSA, so am not prepared to pay for their mistakes.
Hope this clarifies for you, And lets be honest the original post has to be a wind up and she deserves some “stick” for it true or false.
Stuart,
I have never blamed anybody ‘for not knowing the ” rules”’ One of the reason my own forum was created was so many parents did not know/understand the rules, as a knock on, it was practically impossible to source mistakes that may have been made by the CSA – the info is all out there, parents don’t always need to use or have the expense of a CS expert or solicitor.
I do provide links and excerpts from legislation. ie https://www.csahell.com/operation-of-a-deductions-from-earnings-order-11973.html – where I’ve taken the time to point j in the right direction…
As far as giving Abuse is concerned – I’m no more accepting of it than anybody else and nobody should feel justified dishing it out.
Some posts are so shy of giving info that it is impossible to give accurate advice with out making assumptions OR going all round the houses trying to cover every eventuality, hence so many questions.
I’m not sure what I really make of the original post. If it was meant to inflame, it certainly succeeded.
Thanks for the response Chall,
We are all on here for one purpose to a certain degree, The CSA have failed them and we are looking for ways to get the wrongs righted.
Stating what should happen, as in Alice’s case, is all well and good, But often it does not hence why she antagonises people on here. If she did say what to do to correct it then fine otherwise what use is she? She states the rules as she as a CSA employee operates them. Why does she feel the need? However she has the perfect right to do so, as have other to challenge her also.
My own comments are exactly that and will back up with reasoned arguement with anyone, However when questions go unanswered it breeds suspicion and contempt. There are some angry and rightfully so people on here and to just ignore their issues and just spout rules is not always helpful, CSA rules are by design complex and unfair, Which is the main problem there are no quick fixes.
Insults and abuse are up to the posters to deal with and yes some are unacceptable and unfair but let the posters debate. for a true picture NRP and PWC and CSA should have a voice on here. However by posting comments you leave yourself open to feedback good or bad, deal with it or do not post is my belief.
“chall on December 22nd, 2012 9:22 am
There does appear to be a small bandwagon of forum bullies forming on here. The veil of anonymity seems to bring out the worst in some people, it’s such a shame for other CSAHell users”
“avoid http://www.afairercsaforall.co.uk at all costs
Please be aware http://www.afairercsaforall.co.uk was set up by two people who worked for the csa.they contradict themselves.when giving advice to the nrp they say one thing and when giving advice to the parent with the children they say something else.I belive they are in it for themselves.
i have been into your forum via a coleague.What i found was alot of contradictions.Dont get me wrong anyone who is fighting the csa is doing the right thing but i wasnt particualy impressed with your site having checked out everything thats on the web.I think the thing that turned me off the most was your attack on another organisation.i found it inappropriate bearing in mind your both fighting the same battle.
Do you not find it hypocritical that you dont like things put out about your site yet you blatently slate others.As for defending a site i dont belive i am.Im not affiliated to any site i simply have looked at all the facts and information before me and come to my conclusions.For a group representing nrp and pwc you seem naive when you say that most people prefer to have there case dealt with by the agency in a correct lawful manner.As you should well know this is not happening,Which is why your site exists.The csa and court system acts in an unlawful and discriminating way.Why do you call others extremists?.”
These are various comments taken from chall (know it all) website. If chall is so clever and has such a busy site it makes you wonder why they come on here to have a go at people.
For the record, I have myself had some good comments regarding my posts on here and while some people have disagreed with me they have always been polite.
I’ve found chall to be weird, condescending and rude. I am seriously worried that chall is some kind of pervert stalker who goes around this site trying to cause trouble. This weirdo is known by others fighting the csa and has been thought of by some to be working for them with a mandate to either give contradictory, misleading or argumentative information. I dont trust chall at all and wish whoever it is would stop following me around commenting on everything I say. I’ve been to chall’s site which seems pretty quiet and found that many people are fed up with chall. I think chall is a stalker who should be reported to the police.
Best of luck to Gonk and others who have had run ins with this pervy stalking weirdo.
By the way Eva Bunting, I have been a NRP and a PWC and have had no help from the csa and I have a terminal illness which killed my dad and grandad so I think your expecting money simply because of a skin complaint is pretty pathetic. Whats really condescending is those people who ‘patronise’ you by supporting such a weak position. Get a life woman, we all have problems and deal with them, its called being a strong parent. Do that and you have my full support.
J, your quotes are from a NRP group (who despite being formed at the same time as afairercsaforall , have only gained 20 odd members) who bragged about bringing the CSA/government to their knees about 4 years ago – I’ve not seen the CSA or the Government buckle under their pressure and do much kneeling in favour of a NRP, have you?
Actually, you seem very passionate about this one particular site, perhaps you should join their camp. I assume they would accommodate your needs as no PWC would cramp your style there.
Hopefully, you found my input into your own query helpful.
Merry Christmas j x
* do – don’t!
Quote j;
By the way Eva Bunting, I have been a NRP and a PWC and have had no help from the csa and I have a terminal illness which killed my dad and grandad..
Which obviously gives you the right to be a complete and utter arse wipe to others!!!
“chall on December 22nd, 2012 9:16 pm
J, your quotes are from a NRP group (who despite being formed at the same time as afairercsaforall , have only gained 20 odd members) who bragged about bringing the CSA/government to their knees about 4 years ago – I’ve not seen the CSA or the Government buckle under their pressure and do much kneeling in favour of a NRP, have you?
chall on December 22nd
Which obviously gives you the right to be a complete and utter arse wipe to others!!!”
Are you a pervert? You come across as a real stalker, do you have a carer? Please do everyone a favour and go back to your own site which seems fairly quiet, perhaps why you come on here and have a go at people, like me, like Gonk etc. You do seem like a sicko stalker and have got quite a poor reputation on here and on other sites. The quotes I used were from people on your own site. ““avoid http://www.afairercsaforall.co.uk at all costs. Please be aware afairercsaforall was set up by two people who worked for the csa.they contradict themselves.when giving advice to the nrp they say one thing and when giving advice to the parent with the children they say something else.I belive they are in it for themselves.”
If your site was so popular and busy why are you on here?
“chall on December 22nd, 2012
There does appear to be a small bandwagon of forum bullies forming on here. The veil of anonymity seems to bring out the worst in some people, it’s such a shame for other CSAHell users.”
Sounds a bit like you. Tell you what why dont you give us all your details, name, address etc, then we can come over to yours and discuss your views over a cup of tea hows that?
In the meantime do carry on, the more time you waste stalking me the less time you have to annoy others.
And a merry Christmas to one and all .
“■Foreverskint on December 23rd, 2012 12:13 am
And a merry Christmas to one and all .”
Lol, point taken.
j, You really seem to have got your knickers in a knot…
Other than proving your happy to be really nasty and unreasonable towards others, and have the ability to copy & paste a 3rd parties accusations – none of which the people who wrote them have bothered to try and prove (must be a real benefit for them to have member’s who are so easily convinced), I fail to miss the point your are attempting to make.
I’m really pleased I was able to assist you with your case, especially as you had been wrongly informed from another quarter – no need for any thanks, it is after all no less than your entitled to.
chall
chall on December 23rd
Still stalking people you pervo
Still name calling – grow up!
@Stuart – in response to your statement
With regard to this, Alice was intent in belittling one of my posts and calling me and a PWC liars as it did not fit with her ideal of the CSA, she shows no compassion and states to only work on facts and legislation. she NEVER admits her glorious company is acting wrongly and decides to pick and choose when to answer, Her rules are stated and that is it, when proved wrong there is no more comments.
I assume you are referring to the comments made by myself in the thread opened by yourself regarding the matter of your ex’s sister claiming CS from yourself and not her sister. I would like point out that, to my knowledge, I never once called either yourself or any other PWC a liar, I did on many occasions state that as neither yourself or myself were on the call neither of us could stated 100% guaranteed what had or had not been said by either your ex’s sister or the csa officer. If you wish to read between the lines and take that as me calling you, or anyone else, a liar then there is nothing I can do about this.
As for admitting or not admitting to the failings of the CSA and their system, or expressing my personal opinion on what should or should not happen on a case, I think that is totally pointless – the information I post is done in the hopes that someone on this site may have a better understanding of why an action has been taken, or what action can or cannot be taken by the CSA. I believe that if someone has an issue or a problem and someone takes time to explain why something has been done or why something cannot be done then it may help in the frustration. It may not be the answer that the person wants to hear but a lot of what is brought to this sites such as this done so when people are upset or angry and thinking that the decision taken is unfair to them. This may well be the case, but as chall has stated personal opinion and the law are 2 separate things and ‘advising’ on the basis of what should be rather than what will be under law is not going to change the outcome so that the aggrieved person gets the outcome they want.
I would like to think that I have given information to NRPs as well as PWCs on this site – the one that springs to mind is the thread where I ‘advised’ an NRP handing over cash to his PWC who then denied this money was for CM, on that occasion I pointed out that ‘under the legislation’ in this situation the CSA have no option but to continue to collect the arrears from the NRP and advised the NRP not to make direct payments – I was slated in that thread too. My personal failing (see I do admit to failings ) was advising or suggesting a course of action to be taken by the NPR a- since then I try to be more careful and ‘state’ rather than suggest.
“chall on December 23rd, 2012 12:47 pm
Still name calling – grow up!”
Still responding. Stalker!
No Alice agreed you did not call us liars but refused to believe it had happened?
Same thing.
And as you finally admit what is fair and what is law are different, how do you go to work each day?
Do you agree the CSA disregard the law to suit themselves?
Why are complaints so high?
What is your view on human rights? recent court case etc.
Answer this honestly please.
I reduced the amount of time I came on this website and others similar to it as it was making me angry… not peoples issues, but the fact that there are thousands of us who are on the receiving end of the CSA and the ignorant half-wits who work for it and nothing is changing…. we are all going round in circles getting dizzy and angry :'(
we are all arguing amongst ourself but we all have the same opinion…. the CSA are FAILING to do their job….
@ Stuart – Alice will not answer your questions because it would force her to face some facts that she is in denial about…. I have asked her numerous questions about the CSA her capability of influencing her bosses with the FACTS that service the CSA DON’T provide are cripling people financially…. Alice would be better placed using her energy while at work for the CSA by providing evidence TO THEM about how this system is failing….
The CSA is PWC bias 100% and they have absolutely not interest in ‘supporting children’….. or listening to the NRP’s!!
I wish you all a merry xmas and a happy new year….
sorry, my grammer is hsocking in that post, i’m rushing to write it while in work… lol lol
“Sally on December 24th, 2012
The CSA is PWC bias 100% and they have absolutely not interest in ‘supporting children’….. or listening to the NRP’s!!”
Just my opinion but I think you hit the nail on the head with that comment. The people who work for this organisation don’t ‘think’, they don’t ‘question’, they just ‘do’, a bit like the guards at auschwitz who were ‘just doing their jobs’, people have killed themselves as a result of the csa, as far as I’m concerned that puts ‘blood on the hands’ of all those who work there and all those who support them! When something is ‘wrong’ then its wrong and NO amount of government legislation makes it right.
Please don’t be angry, don’t be disheartened and don’t give up, thats exactly what ‘they’ want. We have a saying where I live, don’t get mad, get even!
Good luck to you and yours and have a great Xmas and New Year.
@ Stuart – at no point did I say that I did not believe what you say happened, and what your ex’s sister told you was said on the call was not said – I re-iterate again that I said numerous times that as neither you or I were on the call neither of us could say that was or was not said. By no means can this be considered calling anyone a liar, or be translated to ‘I do not believe you’.
As for how I go to work each day, what does that matter? But, to answer your question, I have a home and a family neither of which run on fresh air and I work to provide for us rather than rely on state benefits, I would like to point out here that in saying that I am not slating anyone who finds themselves relying on benefits, I myself have been on benefits, I know first hand that jobs are difficult to get and I do not look down on those who are not able to get a job. Further to that, I can state that there are aspects of my job which are enjoyable, others that are not, I think the same can be said about every job. I do not go to work each day with the intention of ruining some NRPs life, I do not take PWCs side, NRPs side or anyone else’s side, I work a case in accordance with the legislation regardless of whether I think it is fair or not. I have no option, same as everyone else I have to work as per my employer’s instruction, my employer happens to be the UK Govt and their ‘company policy’ is the current legislation, their ‘pricing policy’ is the current equation laid down in the current legislation. If I was to take it upon myself not to work by the company policy or apply the pricing structure I would be breaching my contract, the same as if the checkout operator in Tesco decided that they didn’t think it was fair to charge me £1.58 for a loaf of bread and charged me £1 instead.
@ Sally, again whether I feed back to my employer where the system is flawed, or how our day to day working practices are fair, does not matter. At the end of the day the legislation is there in black and white and it has to be adhered to regardless of my personal feelings. There is constant feedback from staff, managers and senior managers but at the end of the day we are not the ones who write the law, or pass the law, or change the law. That is the job of the MPs, they are elected by you to work for you, they are the ones who need to be approached for policy changes.
In respect of CSA being 100% PWC biased, understandably that will be based on your personal experience in part, and by your empathy for others who’s stories you have seen. I am sure there are many PWCs who feel that the CSA are 100% NRP biased, again based on their own personal experience and backed up by PWCs they have connected with who’ve had similar issues. Every CSA case has it’s own story, it’s own emotions, it’s own positive outcome and it’s own negative outcome depending on who’s story you are listening to or reading about. Human nature is to identify and empathise with those who you can relate to and disregard those who are on the opposing side as it were. All in a section should not be tarred with the same brush.
It has been assumed by some that I am an NRP hating, PWC supported who does not care. If I were to post ‘All NRPs are maintenance avoiding slimeballs who don;t love their kids’ I imagine there would be several replies expressing outrage at such a statement. Similarly if I was to post ‘ Every PWC is a money grabbing leach who uses their children as weapons to extract revenge against their ex partner’ the same thing would happen, and quite rightly so. For me as an individual to hold such an opinion, or to post it on a forum would considered wrong, however it seems, to some, to be acceptable to post that everyone who works for the CSA are half-wits, idiots, scum etc, whilst they themselves are often the ones who post about the CSA (as an organisation) and their employees (as individuals) do not treat them fairly – I would ask those people are you being fair?
I try to post information rather than personal opinion, the reason for posting is so that someone asking a question can be offered an answer of what will be rather than what should be. Some here seem to take what I post as being my own personal feelings, I have been brought to task over ‘assuming’ when I have posted or replied, again I would consider there to be an element of double standards.
j,
You really are mealy mouthed, especially as I have also assisted you with your issue …
Here’s the link to your quotes https://www.csahell.com/forums/topic/avoid-wwwafairercsaforallcouk-at-all-costs
Where you claim ; ‘These are various comments taken from chall (know it all) website’ ~ It’s NOT my website, where the comments were made.
Hopefully, other facts you attempt you ‘share’ with others are not so misleading.
You should also google the word stalker – as your posts are usually after mine and usually derogatory nature, it’s very obvious who is doing the ‘stalking’.
Why is it that it always the nrp who is the one being criminalised, and hardly ever the PWC, with false benefit claims and associated lies, that the CSA help the pwc with?
Why is there government and political interference, between parents regarding THEIR children, not the governments or CSA’s children? It has nothing to do with these people, it is a private, personal matter, for parents to deal with, and this interference is breaching parental human rights!
The system is ‘flawed’. people over-paying people under-paying, people not paying at all. CSA1, CSA2, CSA3,. £3.8 billion remains uncollected, whilst those who are trapped in the ‘system’ are repeatedly targeted!
CSA/CMEC is a complete mess, and as recent challenges to it’s legality are increasing, so is the amount of success in exposing this system to be shambolic.
Bring on the day that, this system is ‘outlawed’, and those responsible for persecuting nrp’s are brought to justice, and treated in the same way that they have treated their victims, without mercy, decency, compassion and respect!
Alice thanks for your response, However in true CSA style you have ignored the key questions.
Do you agree the CSA disregard the law to suit themselves?
Why are complaints so high?
What is your view on human rights? recent court case etc.
Answer this honestly please.
Just stating your opinion is irrelevant is not an answer, Your opinion is very relevant considering who you work for, You admit you do not agree with every decision but carry it out regardless as it is LAW……………Just like German prison camp guards did and look what happened to them. The CSA is not fit for purpose and does not cater for individual cases so can rarely get it right, they also hide information and avoid answering questions, if a more open and honest agency operated for parents then the corruption and deciept would not be allowed to thrive.
And just maybe Alice if you accept the cases you rule on and deal with are unfair, you have a moral duty to refuse to progress even if it is law, the fact you admit you do as your told says everything about you. When aspects of my job that are unfair to an individual happen, i refuse to tow the company line. Then search for a fair outcome after considering the FACTS from both sides……. I still have a job,
it’s called morals.
and my employees have a fair hearing and appeal rights to fall back on if treated unfairly, Do you belong to unions at the CSA???. An NRP has no such rights, assumed guilty by the CSA and then they must prove they are not guilty. Contrary to law…………..So how does this sit with you? CSA breaching human rights and acting contrary to LAW you say you follow?
No wonder you come on here, your conscience must be driving you mad.
“chall on December 26th, 2012 9:11 am
j,
You really are mealy mouthed, especially as I have also assisted you with your issue …”
Good grief are you still stalking me you weirdo, seriously are you a pervert or what, you appear to have real mental health issues. May I just ask, politely, through this site if you would just leave me alone. I have done some checking and found you have been antagonising people on this site since 2009. Go away, get help, go back to your own website and ‘help’ people ther if its so popular. You appear to be very sick.
Unfortunately, other’s attitudes and morals do nothing to help….
Quote j on September 2nd, 2012 12:15 am
“I gave up my job..” “I am not paying.” “My opinion is that people should simply stop work…”
One size definitely does not fit all, but obviously all ‘sizes’ need to be accommodated.
It is abysmal that good, decent NRP’s are persecuted.
The agency should make recognisable distinction between good and bad rather than treating them alike.
Stuart, I have responded to your questions by stating that my personal opinion does not bear any relevance to my work, so therefore I see no point in expressing my views, as I have stated time and time again – and will state once more for your benefit, my view, morals, opinion do not change the law. As I previously stated I will post here by way of providing information which may be of some help to someone, I do not feel that there is any reason for me to post my personal opinion.
As for you suggesting that I have the right to refuse to process a case in accordance with the legislation if I feel the outcome is unfair on the basis that it is morally wrong – no, that is not an option, to process a case in any other manner would mean I would be breaking the law and I would be dismissed from my job. The law is the law and govt employees cannot decide whether or not to stick to it based on their own person feelings. It would also mean that the other csa clients who’s cases were processed correctly – in accordance with the legislation – would not be being treated fairly.
I response to your question regarding the high number of complaints – I do not have the statistics, but I would say it is likely that if you compared the number of complaints cases against the overall number of cases on the CSA’s books the %age would be low. Obviously forums such as this would suggest that the %age of complaints cases would be very high, however it’s very rare that satisfied clients (of any service, product, company – not just CSA) come onto a site such as this to post about the satisfactory service they have received, people use sites such as these to vent their frustration, anger, disappointment regularly.
Alice again you avoid the key questions.
When the CSA break the law re; Human rights you still progress cases?
Making NRP’s prove their innocence in cases, contrary to LAW?
How do you do this?
Your avoidance of these questions say it all really.
Use the LAW to suit but ignore it to keep your job?