I refuse to pay past my daughter’s 19th birthday

December 13, 2012

I have now paid over £70,000 in 11 years, my daughter is 19 on the 20th December this year and I have just been told that I now have to pay until she is 20 years old, my heart sank as yet again I am being persecuted to death by the CSA.

Currerntly even the website of the CSA states payment stops at 19. I have always paid and some years ago the CSA reduced my payments which I was happy about however, the EX complained and then the CSA decided they made a mistake, and put me into arrears of £9000, so when you even toe the line the CSA screw you everyway they can.

I am now refusing to pay past my daughters 19th birthday, and guess what, today the CSA call me and tell me if I do not pay, I am off to court. I am just totally fed up with these people calling me all the time when all I have done is pay, the EX is very happy with a new car and foreign holidays, but I thought my money was going to be used for my children not for my EX wifes pleasure.

Watch out guys your case can go until your children now reach 20 if there still in higher education.

Comments

31 Responses to “I refuse to pay past my daughter’s 19th birthday”

  1. wilf on December 13th, 2012 3:12 pm

    It’s nothing to do with the CSA.
    They do not make the law, they follow instructions to implement it.
    You need to express your views to Parliament.
    They are the law makers.

  2. Foreverskint on December 13th, 2012 7:33 pm

    My friend , you have no choice but pay. But then again if they take you to court and god forbid you receive a custodial, then relax cos prisoners don’t pay!!!! Can’t the CSA , or government see the irony of it all!!
    My boy is 19 in February 2013 and in further education, so like you I was lied too, then given the good news about paying til 20…..
    Why is it I’m still paying the ex, cos I’m pretty certain my son doesn’t see much of his maintenance. I’d be much happier paying my son directly then I know it’s going to the right person.??as I maintain him, or so I’m led to believe!

    One things for sure, we’ve all done the decent responsible thing and done what’s right for our children.

  3. Alice on December 13th, 2012 7:43 pm

    the law changed as of 10th December and the aged for a qualifying child has raised to 20, if you refuse to pay the csa can implement a DEO to collect your maintenance and any outstanding arrears, they can take up to 40% of your income

  4. brett on December 13th, 2012 8:28 pm

    I really sympathise with you, now the age is 20, Ive got another 6 years to go.
    Wouldn’t surprise me if the CSA change the goal posts again and put the age upto 30, just as Im about to complete my maintenance payments.
    The spineless cowardly CSA prefer to send baliffs to your house or issue a DOE, than take you to one of their kangeroo courts.
    They are like a cancer, that is totally out of control and you can’t do anything about it.

  5. tomy on December 14th, 2012 10:05 am

    @brett

    The csa are a cancer Lets hope someone finds a cure,For this disease
    called CSANCER .I view the csa as a subnormal under class.

  6. John on December 14th, 2012 10:15 am

    What a ridiculous state of affairs, when a 20 year old is classed as a child!

    This change is all about the treasury and money laundering the PWC’s benefits, and the irony is that the coalition want to cut the benefits bill.

    What happens between parents and THEIR children (not the governments children), is for them to sort out either through mediation, or in the courts with professional legal assistance, where the judiciary can make a ruling. Not with incompetent oafs, and ‘rigged’ tribunals.

    I am really hoping that a person or a group of people take the government through the courts and expose the CSA for ‘routinely breaching human rights’.

    That would surely open the floodgates for mass claims against this ‘not fit for purpose’, ‘ corrupt’, ‘shambles’.

  7. brett on December 14th, 2012 12:03 pm

    John…. Your comments are so very true.

  8. stuart on December 14th, 2012 5:22 pm

    More compassion and support from Alice

    the law changed as of 10th December and the aged for a qualifying child has raised to 20, if you refuse to pay the csa can implement a DEO to collect your maintenance and any outstanding arrears, they can take up to 40% of your income

    Just why do you come on here Alice no kicks in real life for you?

    Glad you seem to revel in peoples misery brought on by the most corrupt agency in government history, please do one if you can not offer any help just threatening what the government allows to be done by yourselves. Right or Wrong means nothing to you does it???

  9. Foreverskint on December 14th, 2012 6:33 pm

    Why does the CSA treat us like complete morons?? How can a 20 year old be a “child?” Why on earth is child benefit being paid to a 19 yer old “child?” Until they’re 20? That, my friends is the real question….
    So Alice, if you’re an employee of the CSA like I suspect you are, please tell us who is the half witted moron who’s taking the proverbial out of every paying father by:
    Thinking a child is one until 20?
    Moving all case to csa3 when they could only switch from csa1 to csa2 if a new claim was received after 2003 to link both cases?
    Expect fathers to now go from 15% net to 12% gross minimum without a fuss ?

    Yet the ones who collect baby mothers as trophies get away Scott free?? Someone please explain this to me like I’m 3 years of age, cos my friends I just don’t understand!!!

    Apologies for being thick but I just don’t get it ??

  10. stuart on December 14th, 2012 6:43 pm

    its all about getting compliant NRP’s to bail out the shambolic accounts of the CSA twats who have cocked it up since it started.

    Cant get the bad boys and girls to pay so lets target the honest mums and dads.

    And our elected members sit and watch it and allow it.

    And Alice revels in it.

  11. Brett on December 14th, 2012 7:22 pm

    Great comment Stuart.

  12. wilf on December 14th, 2012 8:01 pm

    Foreverskint:- do not forget it’s Parliament that makes and changes the law.

  13. John on December 16th, 2012 10:08 am

    For those of us trapped in this ‘corrupt’ system, there is a recurring theme for those who day.

    They always want more and NEVER less!

    If the Serious Fraud Office did their job in a fair and non political way, they would have a field day, arresting and charging staff for obtaining money by deception, Blackmail and large scale fraud. However, they won’t because they are politicised by government funding!

  14. Alice on December 16th, 2012 4:14 pm

    the CSA have not changed the law, the UK govt has changed it. The CSA have to work with the legislation that the govt passes. It’s no different to the govt deciding to change the tax threshold, your company payroll office have to deduct the tax in accordance with the the current legislation laid down by the govt.

    Stuart – your assume that I am getting a kick out of other ppl’s misery yet you know nothing about me.

    foeverskint – yes I do work for the CSA, I do not make the rules, my personal feelings do not come into it, all csa employees have to work by the legislation passed by the uk govt and the govt have decided to raise the age limit for child benefit and child support to 20.

  15. stuart on December 16th, 2012 4:50 pm

    Alice i know nothing about you,

    So explain why you come on here as a CSA employee? just so we all understand here is your stage explain?

  16. Steve on December 16th, 2012 5:59 pm

    It is so interesting reading all this. Like many supportive fathers (AKA Non Resident Parent who is continuously made to feel like a criminal) I am one of many dads who has religiously paid out weekly over the past 10 years. My original payments were £778 per month and as my children have grown up and become adults, this redused to £380 per month and on Aug 30 this year, my youngest stopped being eligible for Maintenance, Child Benefit Ceased and I was told that I had no legal liability to pay any more – my son was 18yrs 8 months old and off to Uni – Brill. Having paid for 10 years and having never been in arrears and never beein informed that I was in arrears, imagin my suprise whan I got a letter from the CSA this week demaiding more than £2K in arrears – NO EXPLANATION, NO BREAKDOWN – JUST PAY IT OR ELSE !! I called for an explanation and failed to get one !! None of my kids live with my Ex and I have a sick feeling that she will end up pocketing £2K for more lavish treats on top of the £100K that she has already had TAX FREE !!!

  17. brett on December 16th, 2012 7:37 pm

    Yes Alice, but having spoken to a former CSA employee when seeking legal advice after the way your vile organisation stitched me up, he told me the CSA go after a certain type of person and I fell into that category because of my occupation.
    The CSA have to meet targets and justify their existence so in the ex CSA employee’s words they go after the “sitting ducks”. Did the government tell you to do that ?
    Why waste time going after the self employed or company directors who can easily cook the figures of what they earn, when you can target the PAYE earners like me.
    As Stuart says how come your employed by the CSA. I don’t know how old you are, but was it a childhood dream to join the filthy, bullying, corrupt organisation who only play by their rules ? Have you a passionate hatred of all NRP’s when you know nothing of their personal circumstances or did you go into the CSA because that was the only job available to you ?
    Unlike a lot of the people comments on here about you, I do in a way value yours as CSA law is complicated and at least Im learning new things and increasing my knowledge.

  18. Foreverskint on December 16th, 2012 7:47 pm

    Alice, that’s fair enough and I appreciate you coming on here and telling it how it is. But answer me this one, why were the new changes not publically announced on the 10th? Who’s name was on the E-mail you received ? When did you receive it? Why are your employers not “open and transparent?”

    Could you post a copy of that E-mail on here?

    I won’t hold by breath.

  19. Alice on December 16th, 2012 8:08 pm

    @ Foreverskint? Which email are you referring to?

    If you are asking about the rise in the age I believe that it was in the press along with the rise in the age of CB

    Stuart – I am not going to dignify you with an answer.

    Brett, I can assure you that the CSA will progress every claim regardless of whether the NRP is employed, self-employed or a company director. I will admit that cases nrp’s who are employed are easier to progress and take enforcement action on simply due to the fact that if the nrp fails to provide the information or make payments the agency can go direct to the employer for the information or impose a DEO. Again I will refrain for answering the question of my age and how I came to be working for the CSA, I don’t see it as having any relevance

    I will however state that whatever I post here is not necessarily my own personal opinion, if I state what action the CSA will take or what the process is I am not saying it is right or wrong, or fair, I am simply telling you what will happen. I am not THE csa, I work for them, but I do not make the rules, I cannot change the rules.

  20. Foreverskint on December 16th, 2012 9:36 pm

    Fair enough, I was referring to the internal E- mail you must have received…. And there was an article in the Daily Mail and I believe the Observer, but nothing on the main channel news, no government minister making a statement to tv, if I’m wrong I stand corrected.

    And once again Alice, I appreciate you telling it how it is, but you have to appreciate this is a forum for people who feel they have been abused, lied to, caused unknown stress and plenty if sleepless nights, some might have had their children poisoned against them…. Are you aware of the cost regarding “civil law?” To try to get access to your own children? Trust me, it’s very VERY STRESSFUL.

  21. stuart on December 16th, 2012 10:55 pm

    Alice you have just shown what a typical csa worker does. fails to answer, hides behind flawed legislation and gets a kick from it.

    how bad your conscience must be.

  22. Foreverskint on December 17th, 2012 8:20 pm

    Alice,

    You might want to read the last post on thread entitled ,”paying for 16 years, now told i have to pay til son is 20 !”…..your thoughts ??

  23. Foreverskint on December 17th, 2012 8:22 pm

    Sorry,

    I meant “refuse to pay past daughters 19th birthday!”…..

  24. Foreverskint on December 17th, 2012 8:24 pm

    I’m having a mare,

    Ignore the last as was right on the penultimate post.

  25. brett on December 18th, 2012 12:58 pm

    Alice. I know self employed people who just fob the CSA off and pay the minimum amount, if anything at all.
    The CSA haven’t got the staff, time or resources to persist in going after these people, so thats why the PAYE people who are already paying, are stitched up with ficticious arrears and forced to pay even more.
    The ex CSA employee even told me that if a female is in fear of her ex partner, then they won’t go after him.
    Tony Blair, who’s expense claims mysteriously vanished during the expenses scandal, gave the CSA these additional powers and sadly the Tories have allowed it to continue.
    I recall Blair saying he is going to make absent fathers pay. I thought he was referring to absent fathers who weren’t paying any maintenance.How wrong I was. The CSA are making my life and thousands of good guy’s life’s out there hell and your organisation knows there is nothing we can do about it.
    You and your colleagues should hold your heads in shame that you are employed by such a corrupt organisation.

  26. Richard wells on December 18th, 2012 1:22 pm

    I have had a review back from the CSa reference my comments about maladministration and by the sounds of it, I have shaken them abit as my email has gone to the top. because they have not told us gents about the change, plus their website has incorrect statements, it may be difficult for them to apply the extension to 20 years old all due to maladministration, I have also contacted Mr duncan smith, but as yet being an MP he has not replied, I will keep battering them like they do me each month.
    Oh PS, below is an extract from the house of commons email I received the other day, this statement my help too.
    The new system of child maintenance is being introduced gradually, with only a few ‘pathfinder’ cases currently being transferred to the new scheme. Most maintenance cases will, for the time being, remain on their existing schemes, and cases that are close to ending will not be transferred at all.

  27. Foreverskint on December 18th, 2012 7:15 pm

    Good luck fella,

    I’ve just E-mailed my MP concerning how the CSA fucking A have changed the rules without telling anyone!

    Keep us updated Richard and may common sense prevail !! You’ve got plenty of support on here mate, so good luck nod I hope you get the result you deserve.

  28. John on January 3rd, 2013 11:19 am

    Just because this lot of shite is on the statute books, it does not make it morally right, and when we have politicians and civil servants, with a ‘holyer than though’ attitude, it just shows this ridiculous legislation to be shambolic and flawed!

    They will reap what they have sewn!

  29. Rachel on February 5th, 2013 10:42 am

    my husbands son was 19 in november 2012 the law changed on the 10th december 2012 , raises the age of payments for a child in full time education to 20 , ,so where do we stand? , our payments have stopped from our bank but we were sent a new payment schedual. we have never been in arrears ,we are told the account is closing but we owe a £1 and it could reopen again they will write to let us know?? as clear as mud!

  30. Richard wells on February 5th, 2013 12:16 pm

    Racheal, I was in the same boat and now as my daughter is in full time education I now have to payuntil she is 20, or leaves full time edcutaion or gets a job, she does have a job offer so I will stop payments in May this year, according to the CSA but they change their mind so often. It looks like he may have to pay, I miised out by 9 days despite a house of commons email to me stating that old cases will not be transferred over, I have been, so no matter what the rules are the CSA make up their own, once they have you you cannot escape, your just persecuted.
    I emailed,wrote letters, to everyone about this change and nobody will listen, here is the letter from the house of commons see if anyone on here has better luck, I did get them to change the website, notice the last updated date it is after the start date of the change. Richard
    Dear Mr Wells,
    My secretary has discussed with me your enquiry about recent changes to the child maintenance system and as you are aware from Claire Barker’s email of the 11th December I have sought clarification of the definition of a ‘qualifying child’ for you.
    Please see below a response that I have received from the House of Commons Library specialist which clarifies the amended meaning of a ‘child’ for child maintenance purposes which became effective on the 10th December, 2012.
    Yours sincerely,
    Nicholas Soames
    The Rt Hon Nicholas Soames MP
    House of Commons
    London
    SW1A 0AA
    Tel 020 7219 4143
    Fax 020 7219 2998
    [email protected]
    http://www.nicholassoames.org.uk

    A constituent whose daughter is nearly 19 pays child maintenance on the ‘old rules’ scheme. He has been advised that due to recent changes he is liable to pay maintenance until she is 20, owing to a recent change in the rules. You asked for information on the change.

    This information is provided to Members of Parliament in support of their parliamentary duties and is not intended to address the specific circumstances of any particular individual. It should not be relied upon as legal or professional advice, or as a substitute for it. A suitably qualified professional should be consulted if specific advice or information is required.

    As part of wider reforms to the child maintenance system, ‘qualifying child’ status for child support has recently been amended to become the same as the definition of a child for child benefit purposes.

    The consultation document on the draft child maintenance regulations that introduce the new ‘gross income’ scheme (since passed as the Child Support Maintenance Calculation Regulations 2012) provides the following on the definition of a qualifying child to be used under the new regulations:

    95. The definition of child applies to all children in the scheme: a qualifying child, a relevant other child, a child supported under a family-based arrangement and a non-resident parent who is a child.

    96. The definition of child should be the same as used by Child Benefit for those aged up to their 20th birthday. The [Child Maintenance and Other Payments] 2008 Act provided an increase in the age limit of a child from 19 to 20, mirroring a Child Benefit change made in 2006.

    HMRC has a leaflet on who qualifies as a child for child benefit purposes (see pages 4 and 5 in particular). It may be helpful to note that a child is not necessarily eligible for child benefit until age 20; if, for example, a child leaves full-time non-advanced education or approved training, eligibility for child benefit ceases, and therefore after the recent changes so would ‘qualifying child’ status for child maintenance.

    The new system of child maintenance is being introduced gradually, with only a few ‘pathfinder’ cases currently being transferred to the new scheme. Most maintenance cases will, for the time being, remain on their existing schemes, and cases that are close to ending will not be transferred at all.

    However, the particular provision regarding the definition of a child has come into effect and applies to all cases. As noted above, the change was legislated for in the Child Maintenance and Other Payments Act 2008 (see section 42). This section of the Act has only recently been commenced, and with it the change brought into force.

    Section 5 of the Child Maintenance and Other Payments Act 2008 (Commencement No. 10 and Transitional Provisions) Order 2012 provides that the amended meaning of a “child” for child maintenance purposes is effective as 10 December 2012.

  31. Andy on August 6th, 2013 3:42 pm

    I am in the same boat, with only one final payment due in a month, I thought I was getting back on my feet, and lo and behold, get a CSA letter to say my payments are not stopping.
    The only response I could get, after being on hold for 29 mins was that we are too busy to send out advise that the age has changed to 20 ( not too busy to send out letters when you want more money though ) and we will contact your partner in the next month and get back to you!
    I find it sickening that I pay for my child that I have no contact with, pay for my step daughter, and her ‘dad’ pays nothing as he is ‘self employed’ and earns nothing!
    I hate this country and it’s ridiculous policies and it is always the middle man who gets battered!

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