Fathers using system as excuse to avoid paying

October 26, 2010

My step daughters are two kids whom I am very proud, their mother tells them everything that happens with the CSA; they are old enough to be told and understand so that they can make their own choices in the future with regards their Dad.

The change to the system is long overdue, they re jigged things some time ago and this was meant to improve things…all that this has done is allow them to use the old system as an excuse…

To make a system that works, why not ask the parents and children that are directly affected by the failings of the system that has been put in place to look after their best interests. Get the right people involved, make sure that the kids get what they need, when they need it…….I HATE BEING A NO STEP DAD / PARENT!!!!!

Kids deserve to be brought up in a world sheltered from the issues created by adults who are meant to be there for them, the problems of the parents should not be burdened on their children.

To all the RP’s who go above and beyond to look after their precious little ones, be strong and never give up; good things happen to good people…eventually.

To the NRP’s who go out of their way to help maintain normailty with their children, you set an example to others that should be seen as a blueprint…to those that don’t care about the wellbeing of their children….SHAME ON YOU ALL!!

Children are a blessing, they make you smile when you are sad…who makes them smile when you are the one making them sad.

Comments

48 Responses to “Fathers using system as excuse to avoid paying”

  1. graeme on October 26th, 2010 8:23 am

    well said that man.

    Now if only our endearing goverenment ministers can understand this principle, then this whole sorry mess and pitiful excuse for an agency can close down and the parasitic feeders can then see what it feels like to be on the recieving end.

    My thoughts only.

    Graeme

  2. brokenfather on October 26th, 2010 8:46 am

    ” their mother tells them everything that happens with the CSA”

    It is poor parenting to incolve children in disputes that involve the parents.

  3. John on October 26th, 2010 10:19 am

    Try this headline. ‘Mother prevents father seeing his children for the sake of money’!

    Whay happens regarding children is for parents to sort out! NOT a politician. NOT a pen-pushing, bonus seeking office clerk. NOT some ‘quango’.

    Having paid into the system for 35 years (when others have NOT), I find that I am paying 60% of my income in taxes and child maintenance………..but it’s ok if you have never paid N.I. contributions, because those people now get a FREE pension that I and others have paid for……………..and they have never paid in!

    What IS going on? The Loonies are definitely running the country!

  4. Denise Spiers on October 26th, 2010 3:23 pm

    I totally agree with you, my husband is step-dad to my two kids who are getting to love & respect him. We are sick and tired of having to say we can’t do this or that because the CSA are hounding, yes hounding him for money which he is adam…ant he doesn’t owe. He has always paid for his other 2 kids, one of which he has never seen and is now 19 & in full time employment. The other one he hasn’t seen for nearly 2 years because the PWC, the mother, has been making false allegations against him and now won’t let his daughter see him. We are being punished by an agency who, in my mind, are the most corrupt agency going and who think they are above the law and who we can’t afford to fight yet they will think nothing of stopping us from living a decent life. My kids know everything that the CSA have tried to throw at us and my daughter is absolutely disgusted they can do this to a family !!
    My kids dad pays me privately and I just hope they don’t go after him because all hell would be let loose.

  5. Denise Spiers on October 26th, 2010 3:21 pm

    I totally agree with you, my husband is step-dad to my two kids who are getting to love & respect him. We are sick and tired of having to say we can't do this or that because the CSA are hounding, yes hounding him for money which he is adamant he doesn't owe. He has always paid for his other 2 kids, one of which he has never seen and is now 19 & in full time employment. The other one he hasn't seen for nearly 2 years because the PWC, the mother, has been making false allegations against him and now won't let his daughter see him. We are being punished by an agency who, in my mind, are the most corrupt agency going and who think they are above the law and who we can't afford to fight yet they will think nothing of stopping us from living a decent life. My kids know everything that the CSA have tried to throw at us and my daughter is absolutely disgusted they can do this to a family !! My kids dad pays me privately and I just hope they don't go after him because all hell would be let loose.

  6. Busylizzy on October 26th, 2010 4:33 pm

    Denise you are in the most fortunate position of not only receiving PAYMENT from your childrens BIOLOGICAL father , CSA or not, and receiving payment for YOUR children from the non-biological father ie YOUR partner. Stop whinning thanks to your children the biological children receive less so WHO exactly suffers Think about it not you or your children HIS no wonder !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I”m sick of listening to the whinging and whinning of “2”nd families suffering. WHENNNNNNNNN NEVER sitting in your ivory towers with 2 partners paying for your children!!!!!

  7. Jay O'Hara on October 26th, 2010 4:22 pm

    you both sound like good people Denise.. hats off to you! x

  8. Darren Maclean on October 26th, 2010 5:50 pm

    the only sytems that will work is linking the family courts to the CSA i pay regularly for my daught but thats not always been the case i refused after her mum stopped me seeing her and had to go through the courts costing me 16 k to enable me to see her i believe that by linking the 2 motyhers who become venomous after split will think twice if they are ordered that the nrp has to see there children and unless the pwc can prove he is a bad parent then child support should be suspened until they have sorted out there differences. i also believe that the money should go to the child not the mother

  9. Maxine Knowles on October 26th, 2010 9:01 pm

    This article is brilliantly worded and I wholeheartedly agree 🙂

  10. Gary Spiers on October 26th, 2010 10:24 pm

    I have been through the mill by my ex, this has resulted in my not being able to see my daughter for two years now, despite desperately wanting to. She has lied to the csa and it appears they are taking her side.

  11. Rachel Frankie Evans on October 26th, 2010 10:50 pm

    MR. Maclean, what a great idea!!!!!! Half could go to the child for pocket money etc and the other half into savings when the child leaves full time education or maybe if there's uni to pay for. Alot less people would be inclined to persue non resident to bankrupcy if they not actually gonna get anything to pocket. Kids could then buy their own trainers, pay for schooltrips themselves, or if the resident parent had any decency, go halves with the kid on what ever was needed. Unfortunatley unscrupilous parents would manipulate this idea too. if people are dishonest they'll always be dishonest even to the detriment of their own kids.

  12. Sarah-Jayne Pattimore on October 26th, 2010 11:03 pm

    Its not just pocket money and school trips that need paying for tho – what about household bills – food, electricity rent/mortgage? You surely couldnt expect a (for example) 10 year old to be given £200 a month in maintenance and then the mother work out a % to cover keeping a roof over said childs head or expecting child to do their own supermarket shop?? LOLSadly there are PWC who abuse the contribution from the NRP, but there are also plenty who dont….

  13. Trevor Franks on October 27th, 2010 10:02 am

    man hater sarah there you again rant rant rant

  14. Sarah-Jayne Pattimore on October 27th, 2010 4:08 pm

    I have a job thanks David, a very well paid one 🙂

  15. Trevor Franks on October 27th, 2010 8:40 pm

    srounger sarah you have a so called well payed job and you still want more your well payed job must include you sitting on face book all day writing shite on here

  16. Denise Spiers on October 27th, 2010 10:46 pm

    Busylizzy

    I can tell you now I am NOT in the most fortunate position of receiving PAYMENT not only from my kid’s biological father and my partner, their step-father, can’t afford to PAY me to help me bring up MY two kind on the back of the CSA hounding him for money for his 2 biological kids he isn’t allowed to see for reasons too long winded to put on here. The CSA have taken away his money so we can’t even afford a decent holiday, yet his ex can go abroard for her holidays still, to Orlando, Disney World in the height of the summer too !!! I had to borrow, yes borrow money from my elderly mum to send my daughter on a school trip coz her BIOLOGICAL father coudn’t pay me that particular month it was due !!

    So, I do not sit in my ivory tower whining about this & that, I just want what is fair for my kids, whether their father or myself are paying to keep them, and at the mo the CSA are trying to make my partner, sorry my now husband pay over what he can afford to an ex who has not only lied to them but has stopped my husband from seeing his daughter for 2 years now. We could actually become homeless if they insist on taking more money from him that he can afford, but I am sure my ivory towers will keep me safe !!!

    I would suggest you keep your opinions about people who post on here to yourself as each and every person has their own nightmare with the CSA going on and you don’t know me or my circumstances from Adam.

    By the way I work full time, not on any benefits whatsoever and rely on myself to provide food, clothes, electricity, gas, water and the basics for MY kids to live. Most of their clothes are from cheap shops or from charity shops and they money for them comes out of MY budget, not my husbands !!

  17. S Riddoch on October 28th, 2010 8:50 am

    Denise, your note on the comments from Busylizzy; totally agree with you.

    There is no ivory tower when it comes to saying no to your kids when they need something, children are very innocent but at times they can also be cruel. Doing the best you can so that your kids don’t grow up being or feeling any different to their friends is the best thing a parent can do. The need to make sure your kids are protected from these things is important.

    You work full time to make sure they can have what they need, if you were paying given what is owed then I presume that you would not need to work as much; in doing this the kids lose out again.

    I am sure your new husband helps you whether you want him to or not, I am in the same position but the kids are now in my eyes my own; we live as a family therfore my responsibilities are the same as if i were their biological father.

    The CSA are a joke, they should be there to help not hinder!!!!

  18. Allan Morrell on October 28th, 2010 1:31 pm

    this is it tho, how many more greedy PWC's need 2 cause financial detriments 2 NRP's? all for the sake of scoring points else they would be happy to provide and accept the non compliant NRP's are going to be non compliant…. PWC's who work are funded by the State with WFTC's and child benefits…… yet still the greedy PWC wants money…. tiz tru the sayings… greed begets greed….. money is the root of all evil…. the PWC uses the system to support their own greed… FACT!!!! Greedy selfish PWC's and poor children still dont see the benefits but the PWC does…FACT!!!!!

  19. Sarah Wilford on October 28th, 2010 1:44 pm

    It's just about money,…. these children suffer emotionly and whilst the CSA are involved every child will suffer, Most Farthers want to support there children, What happened before the CSA were formed…. as i see now all hell has broke loose.

  20. Allan Morrell on October 28th, 2010 2:32 pm

    Sarah-jane Pattimore appears to be well fed, this is not a detrimental comment to her size issues that she may have, but it is a clear indication of wanting more than she really needs, in fact most dieticians are likely to agree in that repect and I will assume that her NRP is also in agreement… funnily however! it is ironic that her surname includes the word "MORE"…. I suspect pattimore is about scoring points and also suspect that the children may see a small percentage in treats..(possibly sweets unless patimore funds her own eating habits while sat at her fb page with the possible inclusion of Vodlka from Aldi to add to her rage)…. However! Notice it's the PWC who always benefits from the NRP's financial provision causing NRP's new life to suffer…. It's all about GREED…. the need for more and never happy with what they already have….I wouldnt be surprised that some PWC's prefer their NRP dead but this would not support PWC's additional guaranteed income at the NRP's expense!!! However! if NRP suffered to the point of suicide…. All payments would cease but unfortunately, PWC's do not see this as they think only about themselves, they never ask if NRP would provide in form of clothing and footwear and prefer to involve the CSA because of their own selfish needs for pasification of their own needs by additional moneys in their bank accounts, how Many PWC's actually use this money for their children…. not many!!!! FACT!!!!!

  21. Allan Morrell on October 28th, 2010 2:48 pm

    Pattimore clearly by her comments of being in a well paid job is financially stable enough to pay for her living costs, roof over head, general gas and electric bills plus food, however! if she finds it difficult to cover the costs, surely she could request her NRP to become PWC… but we doubt that she would give up the opportunity to have more money in her bank account as a guaranteed income….for the sake of ££££££££££££'s… so were exactly does her £200 per month additional tax free income go?…. Mmmmmmmmmm!!!!! possibly night club, pub or restaraunt? or a McDonalds kid's meal with 3 big macs for herself?

  22. Allan Morrell on October 28th, 2010 2:55 pm

    Honestly… Pattimore! Stop your man hater whinging!….. sort ya life out!!!! and provide for your kids instead of bleating…. I assume that you are already in reciept of CSA payments to anounce the calculated £200 per month that you previously referred to. So where does your need to whinge come from if you are accounting for your £200 as a reciept of CSA payments?????Get a grip,clothe and feed ya children!!!!!

  23. Jay O'Hara on October 28th, 2010 3:05 pm

    Sarah-Jayne if that is the truth,, then you can see the benefits of saving the fathers cash for when the daughter is older … for her future rather than your need for a food shop now which .. if you are so well paid, you can obviously afford??? :)oh no wait .. short sightedness, got this country into the current pickle its in ..and continues to! Funny that,

  24. Busylizzy on October 28th, 2010 4:35 pm

    Ah but Denise the point IS that YOU DO receive payment from your husband for your children as HIS income is reduced by 15% for one of your children or 20% for 2 or more of your children before his children receive a penny. FACT not an opinion therefore once again begs the question if for example you have one child this actualy amounts tofor every £100pds your hubby earns you receive 15% for your child while his child gets the leftover being 15% of 85% ie you get £15 while his child gets £12.75p. FACT his biological child, so please carry on whinging, mine is not an opinion but based on a fact

  25. Brokenfather on October 28th, 2010 4:44 pm

    FACT?

    You dont know that because Denise hasn’t said whether her husband is on CS1 or CS2. Only CS2 payers receive the reduction you describe, which to be honest I agree with you is wrong where the NRP is not the biological or adoptive parent.

  26. Busylizzy on October 28th, 2010 4:50 pm

    Brokenfather Quote Denise ” My kids dad pays me privately”??????LOL says it all…………………

  27. Sarah-Jayne Pattimore on October 28th, 2010 3:53 pm

    Wow! How funny are you guys! As it happens, I recieve just over £600 a month from my ex – this takes arrears into consideration. Our daughter is 12 years old, and prior to March this year I received £80 a month for her. Out of what gets received now she has £100 in her own account which she can choose as she sees fit, £150 into her savings account, £150 into her Stakeholder pension that she has had for 10 years providing for her retirement and gthe remaining £200 I keep to put towards household bills – because obviously she does eat the food I buy, use the gas, electric, wants running here there and everywhere using the petrol I buy, school trips I pay for etc etc etc. I dont receive any state benefits – no WFTC or Income Support as I have a full time job – albeit currently on Maternity Leave. So Allan and Jay, maybe you need to look at the bigger picture before accusing PWC of being greedy etc. No one knows anyones circumstances, and all differ for very different reasons. Why should I and I alone financially contribute to the upbringing of my daughter? It took 2 of us to make her and its NRP like Allan that give all NRP a bad name. I wonder if you pay for your kids Allan, and if not, do you make sure your putting money by for your kids future when they need driving lessons, a car, university fees? I doubt it because all I ever see from you on here is how hard done by you are and how its everyone elses fault but your own!

  28. Brokenfather on October 28th, 2010 4:58 pm

    Sorry, what does it say exactly?

    That they were mature enough to agree fair and reasonable child maintenance without involving the Government bullyboys?

    I dont see why you are so angry with Denise because she achieved what you couldnt….

  29. Busylizzy on October 28th, 2010 4:59 pm

    Brokenfather point taken re which system you are on.But at least with my interjection it will stop the whinging and perhaps galvonise more people to take action and leave those poor people who truly need help to use this site instead of at times feeling afraid for fear of being victimised. After all you of all people cannot deny its the same names, including mine, that repeatdly appear.

  30. Busylizzy on October 28th, 2010 5:10 pm

    Brokenfather Now you have become rather personal. What the lady concerned has or has not achieved is ,as you are well aware, irrelevant. The time has come when ALL NRPs are MADE to pay for the children just as ALL PWCs should be. But what should be considered is both “PARENTS” income/lifestyle including that of partners. Perhaps then we would not be looking at the breakdown of family values in todays society becouse WE are equally made responsible for etc..

  31. Brokenfather on October 28th, 2010 5:15 pm

    Why should new partners income be taken into account? The children aren’t their responsibility.

  32. Gary Spiers on October 28th, 2010 5:31 pm

    BusyLizzy
    I dont know where you get off with your comments.
    Denise received Nothing, Not a penny from her ex after the break up of her marriage. She worked as hard as she could to provide for her kids, until I came along. I gave her some money, but my ex was screwing me, with increasing overdrafts, £4k bill for a contact order because she stopped me seeing my own Child, and caused me a 9K divorce bill. I was put ( and still am) in financial hell. What money that denise gets, just goes to pay off the debts she accrued having not received a penny from her ex. She contacted the CSA and they immediately closed the door on her application as her ex was abroad. Now the CSA are demanding £10k in arrears from me ( we share our money now) because they state the private agreement I had in place which was confirmed in writing by the CSA and my ex should not now have been sent, ( this took three years for them to work out) they now want me to pay the arrears, but then based on your comments I suppose you think that is right. so regarding living in an ivory tower, It would be more precise to say it is more of a mud hut now.

  33. Allan Morrell on October 28th, 2010 7:30 pm

    I recieved a response via a persAllan Morrell October 28 at 7:26pm In respect to your threats my dear… U will find quite clearly that there has been no threats on my half towards you…Please state clearly the comments you deem to be threatening or abusive… However! there appears to be a legal issue that would indicate that my so-called comments that are actually questioning the direction of the funds you state you are clearly recieving as you published such comments, there are no actual attacks upon you but mere questioning issues in respect to your comments, your appearance and what you may actually thinking of yourself as quoted by yourself or questioned by my audience as the facebook comedian and legally so, and legally so entitled to have published as is both our rights to free speech… That is not in any contravention of UK law my dear Sarah-jane…. oooooh, again… hyphonated… you do understand the meaning of a sense of humour and sarcasm? Comedians use this all the time about celebrities and members of the public without any legal issues when questioning comments are applied in publications/broadcasts via any media e.g. facebook.I was however was going to make suggestion in sarcasm of applying through deedpoll and altering two letters of your surname with hyphonation to Petty-more! I note you deem reasonable to approach myself via my page and contacts……and therefore see it reasonable to reply in respect to your threatening comments…..and blackmail, which is a crime also.I'm sure you're aware that both of these crimes are punishable by UK law……both of which I could press charges against you, but I am not petty enough to want more…… it would appear that this is a threat by yourself towards me… this I state clearly in this way by copy of your transcript where such threats were made by yourself!!!!Sarah-Jayne Pattimore October 28 at 4:45pm ReportI have taken screen shots of your abusive messages on CSA Hell. If you dont like my posts, dont read and reply. The next abusive post which is detrimental towards me and Ill not only be reporting you to Facebook via the 'flag this' button but also to the police. And as your Facebook privacy is open for all to view your information and wall I have taken just 5 minutes of my time to gather enough information about you to be able to pass this on with my complaint to the police for harrassment. I wont warn you again. Ignore me or the CSA will be the least of your problems. One member has already been warned and I am sure if you read subsequent posts has apologised for his malicious outbursts. Remember, you know nothing about me, what my career is and I think it would be very very wise for you to tread more carefully and keep the original post in perspective rather then a personal attack against a fellow member of the forum.Extracts from slanderous comments:Sarah-jane Pattimore appears to be well fed, this is not a detrimental comment to her size issues that she may have, but it is a clear indication of wanting more than she really needs, in fact most dieticians are likely to agree in that rep…ect and I will assume that her NRP is also in agreement… funnily however! it is ironic that her surname includes the word "MORE"…. I suspect pattimore is about scoring points and also suspect that the children may see a small percentage in treats..(possibly sweets unless patimore funds her own eating habits while sat at her fb page with the possible inclusion of Vodlka from Aldi to add to her rage)…. Pattimore clearly by her comments of being in a well paid job is financially stable enough to pay for her living costs, roof over head, general gas and electric bills plus food, however! if she finds it difficult to cover the costs, surely …she could request her NRP to become PWC… but we doubt that she would give up the opportunity to have more money in her bank account as a guaranteed income….for the sake of ££££££££££££'s… so were exactly does her £200 per month additional tax free income go?…. Mmmmmmmmmm!!!!! possibly night club, pub or restaraunt? or a McDonalds kid's meal with 3 big macs for herself? A clear, "DO AS I SAY, OR ELSE!"…..this is a personal attack of threat by yourself towards myself!!!! That's tantamount to Blackmail!!! you made the threatening comment, and just exactly how on earth could such comments were detrimental unless they were to be true… only if such words where truth then that would be detrimental!!!!! I suggest you return to education and improve your Dictionary and clean up on your legal understanding to publications via the media…. Sarcasm and questions are the the media tool, via magazines, newspapers, books, TV… entertainment …… Comedy…. Ooooops, do I detect NO SENSE OF HUMOUR?????????????? onal contacts messaging system from Sarah-Jayne Pattimore….. I replied with the following…. My dearest Fans….ENJOY!!!!!

  34. Sarah-Jayne Pattimore on October 28th, 2010 7:33 pm

    Carry on Allan. I have not disclosed what my occupation is – but your treading quite a thin line with your abusive. No blackmail, no threats but a very real promise that overstepping the line will result in consequences with the authorities.I shall be ignoring all your future posts, I suggest you ignore mine 🙂

  35. Sylvia Dunai on October 28th, 2010 7:52 pm

    Why are you arguing here? Child support is for the children. I'm sure most PWC spend that money on the children and probably invests the left over into a child trust fund or savings account.If a single parent is broke having financial difficulties then it's important to maintain a home for the child's sake, i.e. rent must be paid, gas, water, electricity bill must be paid. Food and clothes must be bought. If the child is at school, then education related costs must be covered etc. And yes, child support also covers these since the parents dont live together.Why should a PWC put all child support into a child trust fund and then not have money to pay all rent and bills and end up evicted with a child or children??? Surely a NRP would be also relaxed and not worried knowing their kid has a roof over their head. Why you guys have to use child support as a tool in a cold war?Child support is for the children, get on with it! Not all PWC are horrible b….es who spend the money on fake nails and crap like that. I for one dont do that for sure. I'm happy if we get money at all… That money is something the NRP should pay towards his/her child anyway voluntarily.There is no need to involve CSA only if the NRP pays what he/she is supposed to pay.

  36. Sylvia Dunai on October 28th, 2010 7:57 pm

    I mean CSA should only be involved if the NRP is not willing to pay the amound he/she's supposed to pay. Every parent should ensure their children have food to eat, have a roof over their head, they are in a warm home where there is hot and cold water, basic things like cooker, fridge, washing machine, bathroom etc. Why are parents arguing over this? Everyone has to pay their duties. Actually, as a child is 50%-50% the mom's as well as dad's offspring, both mom and dad should pay towards the mainenance of that child equally. And this should include childcare costs. I never get a single penny help with childcare costs so I can go work and provide for my child. I pay about 80% of the total costs cuz the amount we dont even get regularly is nothing compared to these total costs. And Im not talking about anything luxurious, just childcare costs, food, clothes, toys, any furniture needed for the child (which is only needed once in a rare while but is not cheap to pay for alone!).

  37. Sylvia Dunai on October 28th, 2010 7:59 pm

    amound= amount*

  38. Allan Morrell on October 28th, 2010 8:21 pm

    I always skate the thin line Sarah-Jane… this is what comedians and magazines and newspapers do…. this is media…. this is media publications, I'm aware exactly where stepping over the line is set. that's why I always stretch the boundaries, I am entitled legally to stop at the line…I have fowarded my response to you and am also ready to post the comments both yourself and I now make in response for your request of an apology!!!!Sarah-janes post to myself, since last publication I made myself…Sarah-Jayne Pattimore October 28 at 7:28pm ReportNo blackmail, no threats. Just a promise. The only one needing to brush up on their legal skills is yourself. Best of luck with that one! Allan Morrell October 28 at 7:33pm Have provided the post on CSAhell…. enjoy! there were never any derogatory comments…… We'll see!!!!I have the knowledge of Media law… I work in Media and publications!!! Allan Morrell October 28 at 7:51pm If however all you require is an apology, then an apology is all you'll have!!!! Unfortunately! it appears I have a sense of humour quite different to yours! but similar to many others!!

  39. Allan Morrell on October 28th, 2010 8:59 pm

    The comment made by Sarah-jayne to myself requesting an apology!! Note she wont warn me again!!!!!!!!…..lol…This was her comment;I wont warn you again. Ignore me or the CSA will be the least of your problems. One member has already been warned and I am sure if you read subsequent posts has apologised for his malicious outbursts. Guess I wont be warned again….. However! as I prefer to sail close to the wind in respect to Sarah-Jaynes treading a thin line…. I prefer skating that thin line while pissing into the wind if I have enough material provided by media correspondent subjects to exercise my comedian skills…. those very media correspondents are those that publish their rants and rages and I use this material for entertainment… someone has to turn the miserabie atmosphere into entertainment, unfortunately, there are those that prefer to stay miserable and deny themselves of entertainment at their own expense… but prefer to cause NRP's financial detriment and therefore at the NRP's and childs expense unfortunately and the evidence is clearly provided by PWC's complaining yet boast of well paid jobs yet we have no idea as to their own NRP's financial detriment of life with new partners or just new lives!There are several new relationships built by NRP's and they have children who are affected by this financial suffering caused by both PWC and CSA!!!! both commit this offence and cause suffering to many other children!!!!What do we call the suffering caused to children??????Answers on a post….Please!!!!!!!!!!Now see how the NRP's new children suffer at the hands of the CSA when the PWC involves the CSA…. All for the sake of MONEY… the sake of greed and always wanting more while not being happy with what they like to boast about……. how about some humility!!!!????!!!!Try some humble pie…. see how the NRP that is compliant in the welfare of their child and hounded by CSA into submitting all their family life and world into financial destitution and in somecases… suicide!!!! 70 deaths caused by CSA and PWC!!! For the sake of GREED involving MONEY!! FACT!!!!!! I'm a comedian and I'll shout it proudly.. If I'v got a voice, I'll spout it loudly…. If I'v got a beef… I'll make it a point, sit down sumone and roll up a joint…. I got things to say… it's called entertainment…. I'll say owt that dont cause detainment…. I'm the guy that'll piss in your wind!!!….. I'll diss any arrogant bitch…. just coz the PWC and CSA have sinned!!!!!!!

  40. Su Sephton on October 28th, 2010 9:18 pm

    To gain respect, you must first provide it…

  41. S Riddoch on October 29th, 2010 9:04 am

    To BusyLizzy,
    reading the last part of this string, I can only presume that the previous comments made have resulted in your partner / husband replying to the rather personal comments being raised by Brokenfather.
    From the wording in the strings in your name you both come across as parents who want and obviously do the best for their children (biological or not), my situation is something similar apart from the children from a previous relationship.
    I now have child with my new wife, in making her my wife I now have two wonderful step daughters; as noted previously we are a family and as such my responsibilities do not end with my biological child but, with the three of them combined.
    You do your best to make things work, you put your faith in a system that is nothing short of useless, your life and that of your kids is in the the hands of a voice at the end of the phone who in all honesty doesn’t give a fig for your situation.
    Give me a month in the organisation to see how they operate, find the failings at ground level and pair them with the comments of those affected and, then put something forward that is based on the needs of those affected to make some sense of things. One point of contact to deal with the case, be seen to me more human rather than a government robot who can only say….”we are only following procedures!!!!” GRRRRRRR

  42. Trevor Franks on October 29th, 2010 9:40 am

    well spoken allan coudnt agree more if people post comments on here they leave themselves open for comments and if people dont like them comments thats there problem either dont read them or dont leave comments themselves the old saying dont give it out if you carnt take it as for people getting excessive amounts of money from there x partners and then banking it and not spending it directly on the kids just proves you dont need all the money at that time to support the kids its a case of pure greed and much wants more !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  43. Allan Morrell on October 29th, 2010 2:15 pm

    I always provide respect, but if I find a comment that requires my disrespect then I shall provide accordingly…. I have no problem with publishing my opinions and thoughts or my suspicions and clearly stated my comments accordingly… In no way was I being derogatory as I did not state certain comments as facts but the facts where only suspicion and questioning…. If some one is arrested for commiting a crime that they did not commit and it was published in the news or any other media form…. Does this state the defendant as guilty?… the reports would indicate suspicion of guilt yet the arrested individual is not guilty…. this is how I presented my comments by suspicions and questioning in reference to my suspicion and clearly not a statement of fact… comedians use the same tool and methods as general media publications….Clearly.. I was not in any wrong to voice my suspicions…. I would have no problem with anyone voicing their suspicions of myself but I clearly present a defence should they wish, I can give as much as I recieve… and much more if I see fit that it be required and vice versa….I thrive on debate, I thrive on arguments…. I thrive on voicing my suspicions!!!! I thrive on pushing the boudaries… I am not intimidated by threats of Police….. I am not intimidated by Blackmail or promises…I have no desire to be so petty… I choose to present my defence accordingly… I have no desire for greed… I provide for my child altho am nil assessed with a build up of arrears although incorrectly calculated by CSA to satisfy the PWC's greed!!!!!More pettiness is presented by certain PWC's who accuse NRP's as selfish…. yet the PWC wants more money by inclusion of NRP's partners finances being TIC'd…. aint that true eh professional solicitor??? Is that also meant to intimidate me….?I'v had several brushes with law and created my own defence to obtain not guilty verdict……Mmmmmmm! Solicitors? in which respect.. eh? no names are mentioned to protect the guilty and innocent likewise!!!!!!!such disclosure of correspondence is not illegal…. accusations were never actually made although suspicions are presented not as fact but as questioning…… just as do the police with the person they arrested for commiting a crime they did not commit!!!!Hmmmmmm! brush up on legal issues?….. I think I'm clearly well brushed up!!!! I have as much right to question an individials intentions by suspicion… I clearly did not state my comments as fact!!!!!!!The only Facts I do present are that although I'v been restricted access to this page, I am still able to use the back doors into this page to leave my posts accordingly in regards to the greed of PWC and CSA… and present my comments either by suspicion or questioning as according to my suspicion…. An act also used by the Police….honestly! why would anyone think they could intimidate me for sailing close to the wind…. I'll piss in the wind if it gets a response whether such response is negative or positive but hey, cant take the heat, then get out of my damned kitchen!!!!I aint got owt against women but I do have a problem with selfish greedy individuals…..especially those that brag about a well paid income and the wanting of more and the fact it is tax free….Jesus spoke of the temple being disrespected with the greed for money… Our children are temples… yet PWC's and CSA will disrespect them for their greed for money…..Hmmmmmmm! Clearly……GREED!!!!!!!just one of the sins that breach the commandments, specifically, thout shalt not covert!!!!The CSA are guilty of breach by thou shalt not murder!!!! 70 deaths caused by CSA and PWC also as both collude with each other to achieve this…Thou shalt not steal is just another offence against our saviours commandments commited by CSA and PWC…. especially by making of illegal and in accurate calculations..And inally I comment on the numerous PWC's who commit breach of the commandment, thou shalt not bare false witness!!!! this is where the PWC lies to the CSA… Need I say more???????

  44. Trevor Franks on October 29th, 2010 7:23 pm

    allan i take my hat off to you straight to the point with no lies or bulls@?t, i hope people read this thread, anyone with an ounce of sense would agree with what you have wrote obviousley there are people on this site who dont have that little bit of ouince of brains usually people screwing the system or x partners for needless amounts of money only to line there own pockets much wants more

  45. Allan Morrell on October 30th, 2010 5:37 pm

    Trevor… I have restricted access to this page but evidently I can leave posts by using the backdoor entry to present them and unfortunately the link still prevents my ability to mark the like button on your posts, however! I can present my likeness for your posts by making this post on this page, thanx to my back door access to this page…!!!!

  46. Helen Lewis on October 30th, 2010 8:18 pm

    TO Sarah Jayne, I dont know if they still take the money or not from the old rule cases do you?

  47. Helen Lewis on October 30th, 2010 8:30 pm

    sorry posted above on wrong on oops!!!

  48. J on March 19th, 2011 7:04 pm

    What the hell have CSA payments got to do with the happiness or sense of wellbeing to a child? You are barking up the wrong tree. I have been both a resident parent and non resident. The idea that money is the root of all happiness or mysery is not a theory that I would want to pass onto my son at all. Money and greed are the route of the problem, not the remedy. The idea that my child will have to deal with you people in his adulthood is quite frankly horrifying – enough in fact for me to consider leaving this rotten island for a more cultured and forward thinking, spiritual people. Peoples general obsession with money (and the price they are willing to pay for it) makes me want to puke. How dare ANY of you wrap the love of a parent in notes of currency. My father was an abusive parent and paid no maintainance as I was growing up. Given the choice of his cash or love and respect, I would have chosen the latter everytime.

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