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My partner works and has a joint claim with myself for wtc. I am on esa. Last week June 2010 the csa assessed that our wtc credit is going to be used as income as well as my partners wages for csa payments. Because her ex partner who has the children earns more can the csa take all of our wtc?
Any replies appreciated Jason
same problem,
my ex has custody of our daughter to which i pay a small amount as only work 16 hours a week. he now wants to go down csa route who use my tax credit with my new partner as income. Its not been assessed yet but im worried they’ll take the whole amount of tax credit to assess claim, which means they’ll be using my new partners portion aswell….is that fair???? Surely they shouldnt be using his childs (who live with us) childcare element of tax credit to assess my csa.
For child support purposes-
WORKING TAX CREDITS;
Are deemed the income of the higher earner. If earnings are equal, they are split 50/50.
CHILD TAX CREDITS;
Are deemed the income of the NRP.
chall ~ afairercsaforall.co.uk
My hubby pays for his 2 children, he works 16 hrs a week i dont work at all. His wages are the only income we have apart from MY CHILDRENS TAX CREDITS and his wtc too. £50 a week we have to pay, and we are struggling financially because of it! NO WAY should the csa include MY CHILDRENS TAX CREDITS to pay towards his kids.
I agree he has to pay something, but come on when he only earns £125 pw its taking the mick a bit!
does any one know weather thay take my wifes income into account on csa assessments, were getting worried if she was to return to work full time if we would be penalized for doing so,, or is it just based on my income only, please comment people
hi steve, unfortunatly your wifes income is taking into consideration. I live with my husband and our 2 kids, he has 2 kids to his ex who works and the csa is asking for all my wage details and place of work to see how much of the household bills i can contrbute too. What id like to know is if they are taking into account what his ex takes home?? My wages is to look after my kids not his
The CSA take everything and leave you under the poverty line full stop second families are held hostage like criminals even tho my husband was never in a relationship with this other woman and we were married with what we thought was his first child only to be hit with the bombshell that she had used him as a sperm donor !!!!( before i met him ) But NO she comes first and my kids are made to suffer !!! This stealing money from kids to pay for others has to be stopped !! the wife or new partners wages should never be used or any other benifits ,tax credits ect..I never made the mistake of sleeping with this woman in my past but i’m made to pay for it ! so why should I hav to pay for her kids and why should my kids have to pay for her kid !!!!!
The above information is not all true – Kellie is wrong.
Non-resident parent income is taken into account ONLY – the law changed in 2003. I just called the CSA and this is true. The form doesn’t ask for it either.
So their new partners income is not taken into account
i think the csa is a joke they have taken my wages and my tax credits and working tax into account to assess my maintenance they told me that if i was not using my tax credits to put my 2 youngest kids to private schooling or nursery they can do this but if i was putting them to private schooling or nursery the tax credits would give me more help i pay 240 pound to my ex a month for my daughter but i receive the tax credits and working tax for my 2 youngest children i have to my new partner i just think its wrong the citizens advice said they can take my wages and working tax not my tax credits but they still have i don’t mind paying maintenance but don’t take the piss i am the only one earning in my household its not bad considering i paid my ex 100 per month for years without complaint and now she has a new bf and a new baby and another on the way they both work get all the same credits i receive i just think she is a greedy bitch but what goes around comes around
theres one way forward with the csa and thats if your living with a new partner who has kids get her to ring up and claim csa of you for them that way csa are taking your money but giving you 50percent back, theres only one way forward and that is scam them like they scam you!
My ex is self employed and says he only earns 400 a month. He receives tax credits and goes on holiday every month. I know he earns more adn receives tax credits. He also had a pay off from me of £40,000, which I had to take a mortgage out for so I could keep the family home for my son. I only work part-time so if is a real struggle. The CSA have just phoned me to say I am entitled to just £7 a week. It hasnt worked for me. They havent taken into account any WTC so should I phone them and inform them of this?
I believe you should all e-mail me (rgs@btinternet.com)with your questions as I work for people who are struggling to resolve their CSA issues.
I have vast experience with dealing with the CSA and have resolved many problems.
I have jumped hurdles and through hoops to get to where my knowledge is today.
The problem you will find is that the CSA staff always hide behind politics and find the easy option in resolving your case, (in other words get your money).
My fees are reasonable at £15.00 for each hour worked on your case plus any additional expenses that may be incurred. Sadly i do ask for an upfront payment but the initial consultation up-to 30 minutes is free.
If you need help please get in touch.
me and my partner have had the pleasure of the csa not!. we made the mistake of paying cash and buying uniform clothes shoes holidays every year and paying for school trips all wich have NO TRACE. we have 3 small children together i work part time and he works full time we were contacted by the csa and had my wage our wtc and ctc taken into account and were made to pay £400 pound in a chunk just before christmas then monthly paymentsof £230 my children have to go without whilst his ex and her partner dont work and never have go on holiday abroard and go out most weekends what a JOKE!. As a result of this my partner had no choice but to go self employed as they wouldnt change payments or listen to us. its been really hard for us sometimes only earning £200 a month. AND GUESS WHAT SHES BACK FOR MORE! obviousley whants another holiday on me!
Can someone tell me if the CSA take into account any additional moneys required to look after your current partner(wife) if she is disabled. I no they take into account if you have a disabled child living with you but i wondered if there is anything for a disabled partner.
Any info would help.
Thanks
How can csa calculate my new partners tax credits to pay for my children from a previos relation ship its out of order we struggle to put food on the table while she swans off getting pissed every weekend!!!!!! Not HAPPy
My husband has had a private agreement in place with his ex wife for 13 years. 2 years ago he was made redundant and therefore he had to massively reduce what he was paying her. For reasons known only to herself, she has now contacted the CSA and wants them to calculate what he should now be paying. They will need to be assessed under the old scheme and from what I gather it’s rather long winded and complicated. We’re in the dark about what information they’ll use and what wages and benefits they will take into account when making their decision.
He has 2 children with her and now 2 children with me. I am a SAHP and we get joint WTC and CTC as well as HB and CTB. My husband has a low wage. Will they take our benefits into account? If they do, will they also take into account the fact the she and her new husband both work and probably have more money coming into their house than we do?
Yes they do!! Only money not touched is council tax and child benefit everythign else is taking into account! This comes from nacsa help website! Disgusting taking from one set of kids to line some greedy ex in many cases greedy pocket. The csa causes poverty!
out the blue an ex of my partener says a child his and demanding money,my partner detests her and has no bond with this child unfortunatly this child looks like him,this is purely about money as for 8yrs she played another man,im positive thisdna test will prove hes my partners,this has crushed me and my partenr,its easy for people to say its not childs fault but this girl is vicious n a game player,u cnt 8 yrs on demand money n say there u are,cnt help it but dnt want to pay anyhing she lied n was devious then does this,if it was frm the beggining then fair enough.weve struggled for yrs n finally partenr on path toa v good job,we have 3 kids n all hard work to get this job is for what?her to walk in n take it,please sumone tell me how much shes gonna get i cnt sleep or eat i feel ill through this,is just not fair
After loosing my job through ill health I decided now im better to start my own business its in the early stages so my income is very low after all my outgoings to ay for insurances for the business im left with about £30 a week so im actually worse off in the short term Irecieved a call from the csa today to tell me i have to pay £35 per week how can that be fair! I was financially better off on job seekers allowance and paying £5 per week! I got off my backside to try and start a business which will grow to provide a reasonable income in time yet the csa are now going to take 7x more off me when im literally 50% worse of based on my income I wounder how many people have been driven to suicide, stress induced health problems! looks like my best option is to fold my business sack my part time helper increase the dole que by 2 and live of benefits I can see why the only way to better yourself in the uk is the criminal way I been honest declared my earnings backed up with all expenditures its took the csa a yaer to sort out they sent a csa persont to my house to collect the data and I ewas told not to pay as my earnings were so low now it looks like im going to get hit with £1800 arrears for their negligence absolutly useless bunch of tozzers they ruin lives with their incompetence who ever gives these morons jobs it seems they dont do much work and when they do they get it wrong!!!!
My partner has paid maintenance for 2 children for the last 12 years and has recently had to complain to the csa about maladministration on his case,they have told so many lies its unbelieveable,they even told him that they were now taking tax credits that are in my name for my children as part of his income?? Yet it clearly states in black and white on there own latters that if you pay maintenance by way of a D.O E which my partner does then they do not take any tax credits into account?? So which is the truth and which is the lie……
i split with my partner 6 mths ago i have one child with him,he is about to get married and says he is giving up his job ,new wife will work full time and so my daughtr will get nothing,,,is this correct?
My partner has two children with his ex-wife and we have two children together at home with us. He used to pay a princely sum to his ex but lost his job a year ago and now I am the main earner (he has just launched a little business that should start to make good money after a few months). He was assessed as £0 when he lost his job but recently we started receiving copies of old tax credit claims and income tax office letters – I immediately suspected the csa were acting on instruction from his ex as she has constantly maintained he has ‘hidden’ money (he has nothing!). Next thing we get a letter from the csa saying he now has to pay £5 a week flat rate and it’s backdated 8 months – they worked this out from my working tax credit.
Whilst I don’t think the children of a previous relationship should suffer because the nrp has started a new family, I do think that this is an underhand and easy way of squeezing money from those of us who are already on a low income (otherwise we wouldn’t be getting working tax credit in the first place!). As per a lot of the comments above, the ex-wife doesn’t work, all she ‘allowed’ him to have from the divorce settlement was 30% of the house (even though he paid for it with his inheritance) and ZERO possessions. She pays no council tax, no mortgage, gets full tax credits/benefits and even has a full membership to an expensive gym! Her children are both in full-time school. He pays £60+ to collect them every other weekend and she sends NO clothes or personal belongings with them – another expense that we have to pay for.
The csa ought to see things from both sides once in a while…
if the nrp claims tax credits but tells the csa hes not ,can the csa chexk or do they just take the word of the nrp ??? x any help ???
As a single man I now find I have to pay all domestic bills everyone else does. Rent, council tax, electric ect then find £46 a week to the CSA. She’s managed to start a new life. Had a new life met a new partner who is working and had another child. She has not worked a day in 9 years or paid a penny in tax. I work two jobs over 200 hundred hours a month and I’m ashamed to say I am strugling to meet my obligations an have slowly slid into my over draught. I’ve maintained good contact with my kids though.but its difficult for me to meet someone new because I spend every weekend I can seeing my kids. Not many girls would be happy with a man who can’t afford to go out or save up for a Holiday.My X gets to speak to a lone parent advisor but there is noone there to help me. Which is a shame because I get so over whelmed with it all. I sometimes can’t sleep worrying about it all. At any time she could stop me seeing the kids or make things difficult. Its a long time since I have felt happy. I have no incentive to work harder or inprove myself because I get noting for it. I do think about killing myself allot but I’m not a quiter an could not break my kills hearts. – I just want to feel like working is worth while. But for me it isn’t.
Women can walk out of relationships too easily today. Knowing that they will be financially better off. Its not right. If a relationship breaks down a woman can meet a new man. Take his income. The income from the previous partner an get benefits. Its just not right on any level. There is no reason to stick with a partner through better or worse.
CSA do take CTC into account, I am currently on mat leave so on a low wage which enables me to claim CTC, however, CSA have found this out and now take this into accont when calculate OH maintenance payments and now take an extra £16 a week. We have been battling with the CSA for 2 years now and they have only just sorted his payments out but arrears have built up and being persued through bailiffs. They have lost paperwork, lied but yet take no responsibility in the situation. The bailiff who attended MY property stated that you will never win against them and to have a list of items drawn up and signed by solicitors as a legal document so that they can’t take any of my possesions for my partner’s arreas. Its a joke and the CSA are disgusting, we have wrote to the MP and are currently complaining at the highest stage, however, CSA are right and you will always be wrong and never win!!!!!!
have been recently contacted by the CSA about payment for my daughter who i have payed for all her life but the CSA have now worked out that i have to pay 4 times the amount that i have been paying, my ex partner is only doing this because im going for custody of my daughter through the courts as my child isnt safe with her mother. I have no objections in paying for my daughter but i dont understand why they are takiung from 3 children to give to 1.
The CSA have taken into account my child tax credit which my wife gets for the children within the household (3 in total) which has got a disability element to it for my son who is recieving DLA for his disability and they havent deducted from my wage my pension that i pay or any tax or national insurance.
Me and my partner claim Esa, at the moment and he is currently paying csa, I want to get a job but am worried iff i get a job they will take more money which i dont think is right as there not my kids can someone help me plz
I also agree with all of you the CSA are a total failure – its always the children who get hurt. We have had a 6 month battle with the csa – mistakes – no responsibility taken, no appologies, just demands for money – they have stressed out my partner so much he has lost his job.
Would anyone like to join me in a battle with the government about the problems with CSA – alongside, with the rest of the inadequate benefits system.
I have a great deal of help and support from my local MP, so lets move this country forward to a better place to be and fight with People Power.
My partners ex wife has just gone to the csa and they have said they want £30 a week from us. With two other children to look after this leaves us with hardly anything. Do they take wtc and ctc into account when calculating? Some say yes, some say no, CSA worked out the calculations without even asking us for any proof of earnings and havnt even asked how much money we have coming in every week.They have taken it upon themselves to decide that he earns £263 a week which is nearly twice what he actually earns,
csa = joke my husband as just found his the father 2 a child after she denied he was on many times he asked 4 a dna n she wouldnt so we got on with our lifes as she said the baby was deff not his then we get phone call 2 dna from csa turns out all along the baby was his n weve got 2 pay fair enough i agree my husband as got 2 pay 4 that child out of his wages but y the money i get 4 my children from previous relationship n one weve ad 2gether should suffer we are on a low paid job which gets topped up buy child tax n working tax which gov thinks we entied 2 as on low income n she also as a single parent get money 4 the child 4 being a sinle mother so y they taking from my children 2 pay 4 another i 4t csa was 2 benifit the child thats all children but mine are suffering we cant even afford basic we dont smoke drink av a social life loans my kids where second hand clothes n we get kids bike toys n house funiture from the tip wheres the justice in that when my husbands works 40hrs a wk n while she get her rent paid benifits n our money n goes out drinking as latest mobile n smoke like theres no 2mo n the child dosnt look like the money my husbad gives her even provides a bar of soap the money is suppose 2 benifit the child csa should b looked at as this is so unfair it looks like me n my husband r being penlized 4 working honest ppl n being a proper secure married family its destroying my happy secure family what we av but if i become a single parent buy me n my husband spilitting up n my husband becomes a absent so i lose my husband n my children lose the dad n secure family unit n go on the dole we will b ok wheres the sence in that 4t the gov wanted 2 sort the country out not destroy familys n make them think there only option is seperate n claim benifits really not happy who ever made these rules av alot 2 answer 2 ill send my broken marriage n broken children 2 ur doorstep because we cant survive after being hard working honest ppl 🙁
It amazes me the amount of people complaining about paying for there own children and those complaining they get nothing!!!! My ex hasn’t seen his children since June last year, he hasn’t paid a penny in CM, he earns in excess of £1000 per week. yes per week not a month. He hasn’t bothered with their birthdays christmas, nothing. I think the CSA are so tied by red tape they don’t stand a chance. you either have NRP’s moaning about providing for their own children or PWC’s moaning NRP’s don’t pay. At the end of the day it’s the children suffering children you made with your exes, that should be the priority not all the moaning that goes on. you have responsibilities, live up to them. The CSA have recently gone to court and have had the debt registered. Having spoke to someone at the CSA and having worked for them years ago I know for a fact that many of them would like to force payments and fairer payments more easily. I mean seriously £30 per week would barely feed and cloth one child let alone pay for any extra activities or should the child suffer there and all the responsibility fall on the PWC. I think a little perspective is needed!!!
My husband has a child with an ex who he always paid untill april 2010 he contacted the csa to let them know he was out of work then when he went back into work he asked them to confirm how much he had to pay.nothing was ever sorted.last year he contacted them again to ask about how much the payments are and still nothing this year after two years of back and forth they are now deciding that he has to pay 164 a month which leaves us with nothing as I am a full time mum and self emplyed.He get’s a phone call today saying they can not back date the claim to 2010 as it’s too long ago but as we were paying tax credits they are backdating them instead.how can we pay csa any more when there is now more there to take.They want 400 instead of the 164 a month.what crazy mad man came up with this.I totally agree that everyone should pay for their children but sureley no matter how much you earn no child should be given more then the other if you are nolonger with that person.each csa child should get the same amount no matter what you earn.How are you suppose to have a life when someone keeps taking the more you earn the better they live how does that work.not write somewhere.your bills should be included in what they take and like i said each child should get the same amount.there should be a set amount which goes up alittle each year like wages do.that would be far and would encourage the ex partners to get on with their lives and stop pestring partners for more money each time it comes round.we have descussed thing’s and as we can’t afford stuff now nomatter when they start taking the extra money,the only option is to go bankrupt in his name.our other debts will be paid off and he can pay csa.or we get divorced and stay together as a couple and I work whilst he stays home and loks after our child.maybe that would be better.the csa can’t claim unless your married.
I have read through all of the above , and as a point to some of you who state that women can easily walk out of a relationship and get a free life this is not true. I left an abusive relationship and it took me two long, hard years to get anything sorted with the CSA and can i just say that my result was less then satisfactory. My EX , who lives with his parents has no bills to pay no rent to pay and has his phone bill paid for him by his parents, is in a full time job yet the CSA said he only has to pay me £120 a month. He does this through D.O.E and had his boss lie about his earnings for him. He is the one with the easy life going out every weekend and so forth. I am now in a new better relationship with a lovely man who has 2 children from a previous relationship who he has been paying half his wage for since the CSA decided to deleted his D.O.E . They saw this as his fault even tho he did contact them about it and tried to get it sorted. Early last year he lost his job and has only recently started working again. We are both worried that they will now take what might as well be all his wage and he does not want to tell them about me. This will put us under financial difficulty even tho i work full time and he does not want my daughter to suffer as he has raised her and sees her as his own ( the mother of his two kids refuses to let him see his sons as he moved from the area just after they split up, she also doesn’t work and is married to someone new)
spoke to the so called csa help line this morning and to the tax credits people, tax credits couldn’t answer me at all which is fair enough as it’s not thier department. Csa or should be known better as” law of thier own” have said that child tax credit is part of my husbands earnings? so yes the lovely csa can take my kids money!! it sickens me they get thier tax credits & a part of my kids money for good measure(would be nice to see it actually going on the kids! not alcohol & take aways!!)Don’t get me wrong before some woman decides to reply with the why shouldn’t they pay…. yes dads should pay for thier kids and my husband is in total agreement but there comes a point when they’ve bled you dry & enough is enough, yes dads should pay but they still have to live, we as a family still have to live!!what about what the mother earns? or the partner they have set up home with? if the csa want to do it right then they should be fair to ALL parties involved, not just the greedy ex’s who are bitter so choose the csa to screw people over
I think it is absolutley disgusting that my childrens tax credits come into account when calculating child maintenace for my partners son, i am all for paying for there children but to take from one child to give to another (who seemly already gets tax credits through his mother, so the mother is getting it doubly for one child) my partners ex works full time, gets working tax credit and child tax credits, housing benefit, council tax benefit. My partner is self employed and makes a profit of around £40 per week (if that sometimes). The only benefit we receive is child tax credit and some money grabbing B#@c& wants to take half of that???? SHE stopped us seeing my partners son, but do not have a penny to go through solictors as we would have to pay but the EX would get help through legal aid. This is out of bitterness as she still cant get over my partner and seems clear in trying to make his / our lives hell. It is all wrong so wrong, the goverment needs to do something about this and fast. It is my partners son so why should i have to pay with my childrens tax credits when it was before we even met???????
can any one throw any light on this plse,,in brief my husband has not been allowed to see his sone since he was 3,, he is 16 this yr(he went down the route of family courts, contact centers etc)my husband is self employed and work can be sporadic,,on 2 occassions now the csa have threatened to send bailiffs unless sums of over £800 was paid to them each time.The childs mother works and she does not get this money, my husband can’t understand why the csa want to take money from him on a regular weekly basis if it’s not going to the upkeep of the child,??????
I am in agreement with dani. To steal from one child
To give to another is a disgrace.According to the crazy calculations of the csa 15% of my Children’s tax credits will be going to my husbands ex who already claims ctc. How is that fair? The whole point of them is to help support our two kids, if we didn’t
Have kids we wouldn’t get them. There is an equality issue here as far as I can see, our two children aren’t being treated equally. I am in complete agreement that fathers should support their children but to be taking money that is only supposed to be used for the children in the tax credits claims is ridiculous. Because of the csa are babies have to go without.
When I read this it has made me laugh, angry, sad and also realise that there are s many people effected by the CSA’s capability to do right by family’s from the Father and Mothers perspective… I completely agree a father should provide for a child!!! I have a Daughter with an Ex and my Partner has a Daughter with an Ex and we are expecting our first child together! What makes me laugh is he pay’s 400 a month in CSA and I get nothing cause my ex’s partner claims ESA and he is a joint claimant. my partner works full time 45 miles from our house and it cost’s us 400 a month in petrol leaving just enough money to pay rent and council tax barely… Thank god we have a housing association property and rent is low.!! I am disabled and am unable to work s my small income has to support us paying the water, gas, electric, food, tv licence, school uniform, insurances ie: Car and house…. how we get by every month is beyond me?? Family handouts mainly, for that I feel very lucky….! We are having another baby and I am very excited, however i am worried sick as to how we are going to support and provide for this one as when out benefits go up they will increase CSA on the child we don’t even get to see.!! This child was NOT planned, a complete shock and we even talked of an abortion ( THAT’S HOW HARD UP WE ARE) but we are both very morally against it, and I don’t think I could have lived with the guilt and pain of that! CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME IF I’M MISSING THE BIGGER PICTURE HOW IS IT FAIR? One Child lives in poverty so another WE DON’T EVEN GET TO SEE lives in luxury? Don’t tell me the CSA isn’t a complete JOKE!!!!!
cant move in with my new partner as i have a daughter from previous relationship. my new partner is well off and my ex knows it. she wants over £2000 a month from my current partner. If i move in with her, we have worked out this is what we may get charged. Currently I pay £230 a month towards my daughter. This is wrong. It is not her child. My daughter is now 14 and they have barely met. My partners only child is now 19 and obviously too old for csa.
i lost my job in February,well i received volunteer redundancy. i went for this as i have been ill for the past 2 years with an issue with my throat barely working part time hours but paid the full amount in CSA untill around march. i have being contacting the CSA since i was made redundant and have not got anywhere for 4 months in reducing my maintenance. Despite contacting them around 4 times, the reason given to me is ‘they have no record of me contacting them’ or ‘ where on a new system now’. bulls$@t ! Now instead of confirmation letter as i requested the last time i spoke to them, i received 1 question from them ‘how have you supported yourself financially since redundancy?’ … simple question to answer is i have used my £3400 i received from my payout to set up my new business which will be open on the 1st of June 2012. The other problem being is i have done some small jobs in the meantime to pay my bills but no way am i financially in a good way,already around -£600 at the bank…Do i need to tell them about my business now or when its open? And i dont know how to answer this question given to me as i dont want to drop myself in it ! help!
Firstly we totally agree that the nrp needs to pay for their child, but we dont agree that the whole nrps new family have to suffer inorder that they pay for said child/ren. I have read the above comments and am totally scared now. My partner pays cm through the csa now (for a child that he only just sees, as the pwc is now making contact diffficult inorder to get more cash through the csa) because his greedy ex was told by friends that she’l get more money through the csa. My partner used to give her money weekly, buy clothes etc to send back to mum but she wasn’t happy esp when she found out he was seeing someone else, so the only weapon she had left after she tried to cause financial problems for me, was to go to the csa . Quite ironic really as she was the one who wanted to split from their relationship. Anyway, im pregnant and having our first child together, but im scared because I fear the csa will try to take our ctc and give it to that benefit claiming scum. Im self employed so not entitled to maternity pay and we will be surving on just my partners salery and ctc. How can the csa take from 1 child and reduce them to child poverty and give to a benefit cheat?? I am at a total loss as to how the ctc is the nrps money, we are not married and if we were to split I would be able to claim ctc outright for my child either through being self employed or if I were to go onto benefits so how is this the nrps money esp if I was to make the claim for ctc?? If the csa do not sort this out I can see no other option but to live seperately from my partner and claim the ctc seperately. I am not splitting from my partner either, we will just live in seperate households. I might as well put in a claim to the csa myself and see how that money grabing C@#£ likes someone else taking money from her, I’m sure she wouldn’t like her cm halved because of of child or further if we were to have more!! That way my child wont miss out and we can still be a family but unfortunately in seperate households. I wonder if the government have thought about this when thay are supposedly trying to promote family?! Can anyone shed any light on the CTC situation when the dwp take over this year?? Please help
I found this in the how you cm is worked out leaflet: We count Working Tax Credit as income if the non-residentparent’searnings are higher than their partner’s earnings. If the non-resident parent and their partner’s earnings are thesame, we include half of the Working Tax Credit in the childmaintenance calculation. We don’t count Working Tax Credit asincome if the non-resident parent earns less than their partner. No where does it state that ctc is taken into consideration. Think i’l just grow a pair and tell the pwc if she wants to try her luck for more cash thru the csa (which she will even before I say anything to it), then she needs to look forward to her money being halved, as i will make sure that her money will continue to lessen every 9-12 months mwahaahhaha because i can and the csa only take for three from the nrp and share it out equally to all the children!!!!! So how many children shall we have 4, 5, 6 hahahaha. And before anyone starts we were providing for birthday and christmas presents for their child in both households as she was spending the cm on cigs and booze, and if she cant afford to support her child then maybe she should become the nrp!!
One more post as I’ve found some more info for you. look at the below web page as there is some very interesting information esp look at What Are My ‘Earnings’?
It is sometimes confusing as to what ‘earnings’ actually are for these purposes, and it can leave you wondering how much of the money you receive will be deemed to be your earnings as regards child support payments.
Related on Child Support Laws…
For the purposes of the CSA, earnings are the funds that are taken into account after the deduction of income tax, national insurance contributions and pension contributions. Pension contributions must be regular, and lump sum payments are unlikely to count. If in doubt, you should seek advice on this.
Money That Is Not Classed As Earnings
Money that an individual receives that are not classed as ‘earnings’ include: statutory payments made by an employer for reasons of maternity, paternity, redundancy or adoption pay; tax credits; social security pension, benefit or allowance, any payments made under a disability pension or benefit; or a guarantee payment under social security pensions legislation. If you receive any of these kinds of payments and they are your sole income, your employer cannot use this payment to deduct child support from your earnings.
Money That Is Classed As Earnings
Employers can however deduct money from the following types of earnings: private pensions, occupational pensions; wages; overtime pay; bonuses; commission; or any payments that are made on top of a person’s wages. In addition, it is possible to deduct from an individual’s statutory sick pay. If your employer pays you ‘contractual’ maternity, paternity, redundancy or adoption pay, this is classed as ‘earnings’ and can be subjected to deductions for child maintenance. This info was only posted on 28/05/12. Hope this helps. http://www.childsupportlaws.co.uk/what-counts-earnings.html
My husband is a NRP who agreed to give his share of the matrimonal home to his ex as final settlement with her agreeing to ask no more of him. I supported him in making this decision as I believed he should provide for his children and it would be better for them to have a clean break. I have done all that I can to ensure that we have had regular contact with his children, often finaincing their trips, clothes etc (as she always sends them with nothing).
We now have 2 young children of our own and his ex opens up a CSA claim every time she does not get what she wants; as well as witholding contact. The CSA have overruled the previous agreement they made regarding the house.
From reading this thread I am now seriously worried about how to make ends meet if the CSA takes my WTC and my childrens tax credit into account when calculating his earnings. We struggle to make ends meet as it is. How can this possibly be fair? Do the CSA not make any allowances for what my husband, our children and I need to live on?
The way I see it is that if CSA takes all of this the only way for me to provide for my children is to ask my husband to leave. This way I will be in receipt of my own working tax credits and child tax credits. How can it be right to either push a family into poverty and possible homelessness??? How can it be right that I would be better off alone even when I would end up costing the government and therefore the taxpayer far more? What reward is there for working?
What is being done to address these massive injustices to 2nd families?
My husband’s ex wife has a nearly mortage free house, working tax credit, child tax credit, child benefit, a full time job, a new boyfriend with a very good income. Why is her income not taken into account? Why are our essential living costs not taken into account?
Another option for us is to move out of the UK which is seriously tempting seeing how unjust this system is. As much as I have worked to keep the relationship between my husband and his children alive, I have to think of survival for my own children. It is very unlikely that we will have any contact with his children if we move abroad and she is not going to get anything from us either!
The CSA is a complete and utter joke!!! The system have let so many resident and no-resident parents down in many ways and strained many relationships. And in some cases, lives have been lost where a none-resident parent has been in dispair because of the endless mistakes caused by the CSA. I have been with my partner for 13 years and he is a none-resident parent who have never turned his back on his children and paid extra ie: school trips, uniform, clothes so on, although it’s been a struggle to do this but he has gone without in so many ways to provide unlike many who don’t. The CSA came into our lives 10 years ago because my partners ex wanted more money from him, taking into account he was giving her money for a child also that was not his or adopted by him. Her greed resulted into a less amount each week however, due to this he has experienced endless problems with the CSA and errors which is absoulutely disgraceful. They play Russian Roulette with people lives. Endless errors with incorrect information on the data or not inputted, information was sent to him regarding a child and mother who are not known to him with her national insurance number so on’ with a letter breaking down the additional cost for this child per week (This got resolved and the CSA confirmed it was an error on their part however, this should never of happened because a family could have been torn apart and what an emotional roller coaster it could have been. Lucky we have trust and belief in our relationship) Ever time there is an error and you cotact the CSA they what to reassest he cases which causes more problems, they blame the computer system “Bull S***” Total incompatence. My partner had a letter last year saying he owe arrears totaling over £3000 but have always paid what they stated direct from his wages. So how can this be????? When he contact the CSA, he was informed a letter was sent to him back in 2005 regarding changes of the weekly amount? But the continued taking the amount he always paid? Because the letter is on their data base it is law and therefore must pay. “Who makes up this Rules” I could go on and on, but on a final note. My partners ex did not notifie the CSA that her eldest was working and was still taking the money until my partner asked them to review. This resulted in an overpayment of over £1500 which he received in a cheques. When he contacted the CSA about the arrears letter this was mentioned and was not on their system as being paid to him and asked for his bank details. He explained the money was received but still wanted his bank details untill he nearly screamed down the phone “what do you not understand I had the money back” I have seen my partner in tears and a complete emotional wreck due to the CSA. We have two children together and they even asked for my income details and he had to send three of my wage slips to them which is so wrong because I am not the parent and my ex partner wages is not taken into a count. My partner works full-time and I work 12 hours a week. We do not live a grand life style and my children have very little compared to some. But the richness of all is that my children have our love, time and devotion. There are so many none paying fathers out there which the CSA should concentrate on more so than the likes of my partner who is more than willing to pay for his children,
If my girlfriend moves in with me and my son i am currently in PT college training and a single parent…so i only pay 5 a week to an ex partner i have a 2nd child with as on jsa…….if my gf moves in and we claim together…i obv stop claiming JSA as my partners working right….but then we claim as a family and get workin tax credits and increased child tax credits… i am on as my son is 8 years old…..so therefore would the only income i have to divulge be
Child benefit and Child Tax credit ???? As Working Tax Credit and Earnings will be my girlfriends earnings ????…… therefore my income will still only be like 120 a week because i will not get 65 off JSA anymore…..also wont have any housing benefit or council tax benefit………..
My daughter has just moved in with her father as she starts college in september, this was because her father lives closer to the college.. I have a 6 year old and a partner at home I work 16 hours a week and also claim working tax and child tax, my partner was made redundant at the end of march and is now trying to make a little bit being self employed. The csa rang to say my ex has opened a claim for my 16 year old daughter could they have my earning details..Not a problem I said I gave them my wage details oh and what about tax credits!!! Pardon I replied, they are classed as earnings!!!! I thought they were to help support my son as I am unable to work full time to be able to feed him and us, put a roof over our heads and of course other bills. This is so unfair he is entitled to 15% of my tax credits aswell as my earnings, I should just not claim or say my partners estimated earnings are so much higher so they reduce my tax credits and then claim housing benefit and stuff!!!!! My ex partner and his wife both work full time and earn a hell of alot more than me and my partner. If they take tax credits into account they should also take my rent and stuff intoaccount also………..Oh and another thing my partner was paying cs for 2 children prior to bing self employed, he lost his job rang them told them he was trying to go self employed and he has to still pay his cm for 3 months until they assess his self employment income which is nil….So I am paying for his children at the moment as well…why dont they take into account child maintenence that already goes out of the house!!!!!! Grrrrrrr
Every parent,mother or father is responsible for their children,even when they seperate/divorce.all you new partners moaning about your new man having to pay for his kids when you may be struggling need to remember that one day you may be the ex left with the kids.Will you have the same opinion then?i think not!i dont think you will be worrying about how he and his “latest “family are going to manage.if a man is struggling to pay for the kid he already has,then he shouldnt be having anymore,and if your new man is one of those trying to shirk his responsibilities,then you should question what kind of person he is,and if your backing him up,then your a sick human being too!
I have three children two live with my ex husband and one with me. He earns and pays me about £280 a month. Up to last month I paid him £5 from my Income Support £70. Now I have a job I earn £125. They stopped my Income supprt but now pay me £70 working tax credits, so in fact I am still only £125 a month better off. The CSA have just told me that they will take into account my salary and workign tax credit £195 even though I am only £125 better off. They have told me my payment will be about £45, this together with my child care costs and now that I have to pay council tax and I lose Healthy Start vouchers I am now going to work for £40 a week. How come he only pays £280 when he earns £35,000 a year.