CSA tried to take my children’s money

November 25, 2014

Ok, i wanna share my rant with you guys and a little words of wisdom about how we are trapped at the moment all because of the csa’s major screw up!!

I wrote a post a few days ago ‘ would i have to pay for his child’ which basically gives a brief about our sitution. in regards to this ive seen mixed anwsers with people asking if working tax credits and child tax credits get taken into consideration when doing a maintenance calculation and whether it be 1993/2003 to present cases (cm1/cms basically) or any case with the CSA ONLY .

YES THEY DO GET TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AND WILL GET USED. the only way they do not get taken into consideration is when you make A NEW CLAIM WITH THE CHILD MAINTENANCE SERVICE. (or when your case gets moved over to the child maintenance service.

Reason why i know so much as i have worked with my mp and have asked questions because i have three different case scenarios going on here! (2 of mine and one with my hubby). People need to know that the reason why the child maintenance service has been put in place is because mp’s are well aware and agree that the system is nothing but a complete shambles and using tc/wtc etc is the reason why they had opened up a new CHILD MAINTENACE SERVICE.

There as you all know, have been so many problems with the csa that has arisen as well because when the csa was opened in 1993 most work was done ‘clerical’ then moved to computers. then over the years there were so many fuck ups basically that they couldnt change they way they worked out maintenace and apparently because they were relying so much on the computers to do they work it all screwed up i think it was around 11 years ago and most cases were just ‘lost’, then over the years so much has happened with the csa that the goverment decided the system is a sham, people arent getting treated fairly so basically we’l create a new system that will only be taking the fathers (or non resident parents) income into consideration and that ONLY.

Most of you dont know that the csa has basically gone anyway now. already as from the beginning of this year they have started moving old cases (starting with the newest first) over to the new cms system. which is expected to happen from now until 2017. leaving the most complicated cases until last.

CHILD MAINTENANCE SERVICE IS NOT THE CSA!! and you would be surprised how many people i have spoken to at the cms that have told me that they dont agree with the csa!! and the way they worked out calculations in the past.

As soon as your case is moved over the dads income is ONLY TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, NO CHILD TAX CREDIT. im not 100% about working tax though guys you would have to double check there. dont take my word for it, ring the cms and ask the questions yourself. this is what ive been told by my mp and a few times by people at the cms.

Heres the thing, once the csa (not cms) find out you have kids they will obviously take their credits into consideration so, in my case i have four little ones last two with my husband so therefore i have £212.00 a week credits …. befroe my husband has started working he will have the £24 of MY childrens tax credits taken out ready to use for calculation, so therefore £24 is waiting in the wings. for us its around £12 per £100 he would earn so therefore either way, we will be worse off!! because my sons dads already dont pay anything because they are genuine deadbeat dads (no contact, no upkeep for them) door has always been open to them id never stop my kids from seeing their dads EVER. so, heres the thing right now were both on jsa which is £217 a fortnight (£10 maintenace already taken out), if my husband was to work a job that was the EXACT SAME INCOME AS ON JSA HE WOULD HAVE TO PAY WEEKLY £39 out of £103.00. only differnce being is he is on jsa!! this is what pisses me off and makes me so angry!!.

So to the dads who think that they can just give up their jobs annd avoid the csa who have second families, if you arent working or supporting yourself on a benefit and already have a claim with the csa they you will STILL HAVE TO PAY OUR OF YOUR CHILD TAX!! because the csa will ask you how you are supporting yourself! my husband was MADE TO GO ON JSA after he was bullied horribly by his ex boss he was made to quit then after the 4 week tax run on ended after he had no job he searched for another job he was told pay up the £39 csa money because of your child tax credits even if you have no job or are on benefits either way we will have that £39!!

So resorted to going back to mp who told us that he had no choice to go on jsa. we didnt want to because he was adamant he would find something and wanted to keep working but had to in the end because they would have taken MY childrens money!! no matter what we do, we will always have the £24 as a starting rate to the calculation he will get in the future when he does find employment. right now, were on jsa. where we are there is nothing, but the csa cant touch us!! it shouldnt have to be like this! men should have to be able to have a job and support themselves as well as their families (if they have one) without working for fuck all to go to the evil ex thats child already has their own child tax credit.

Its all about being fair! if the csa calculated a fair amount then dads wouldnt be so bitter and wouldnt dodge the csa!! my money bet is, most dads wont give in income details to the csa because they know they wont be treated fairly at all. theres no escape for them. not all dads are bad dads!! only hope we cling into now with a £2,oo0 arrears bill csa fault only hanging over our head is when his case gets moved over to the cms. when they calculate a ‘fair amount’. so my tips are:

1. DONT ‘NOT’ GIVE DETAILS TO THE CSA IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN IN YOUR HOME BECAUSE THEY WILL GO THROUGH INLAND REVENUE ANYWAY REGARDLESS.
2. IF YOU DONT LET THEM KNOW THEN YOU WONT HAVE THE 25% OFF THAT THEY TAKE OUT OF YOUR CHILDS MONEY ANYWAY FOR YOUR CHILD TO LIVE OFF TO GIVE TO ANOTHER CHILD YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH.
3.WHEN YOU COME OFF JSA OR I.S WITHOUT EMPLOYMENT FAMILY OR NOT, EACH WEEK THAT GOES BY FROM THE DATE YOUR BENEFIT ENDED, IF YOU DONT TELL THEM WHAT YOUR FINANCIAL STATUS ID THEY WILL CONTINUE TO CHARGE YOU £5 A WEEK!! BEWARE DADS!!!

I want to get my word out to help the good fathers out there and the good mums out there, there rest off the money grabbing bastards this doesnt apply!. your not alone guys, it doesnt help either slating each other through these posts or comments either. this place is a good place to get support form genuine mums and dads who need to feel they are not alone with the way they have been treated.

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