CSA side with loser men!
My ex has been allowed (for 5 years) to dodge payments, job hop to avoid money being taken from his deduction of earnings order, work cash in hand and not declare it, ignore CSA requests for payments and generally behaving rudely and ignorantly towards the CSA staff.
For some reason they seem to encourage (maybe even thrive) on this behaviour.
My ex and I were married, it was a planned pregnancy and he even cried at the birth. However our relationship ran its course and I left him when our son was a year old. Nothing dramatic, I just woke up one day and realised that I could do better (for the record I have done).
I made plenty of effort to make sure our son rang him regularly (every day) and ‘babbled’ down the phone, being polite to my ex and even not minding when he brought his new girlfriend into my home (I even made her coffee). Eventually these trips became less and less, and his excuses not to visit became more and more ridiculous.
I hadn’t claimed Child Support up until that point because he was spending money driving down to visit, looking after him and buying him food (I only found out later that my parents were giving him money for petrol, food and nappies because they felt so sorry for him).
I only started claiming Child Support months after these visits stopped, he ignored my son’s 2nd birthday (not even a phonecall). He’s left me with joint debts which due to my responsible nature and his lack of balls I ended up paying back, so felt that claiming Child Support was fair.
Thing is you see, that my ex can be incredibly charming. So charming that even some of the women who work for the CSA have asked me to close the case. And the thought of getting money out of him? No, no, no!
Myself and my partner both work full time and pay for everything ourselves. My ex is currently on the dole. His new wife is on the dole. They have two children, rent, council tax, bills, everything, all paid for by the tax payer. So all I’m really asking for is a bit of my tax money back, right?
The system’s a joke. All of these fathers moaning about paying? Don’t have children if you don’t want to pay for them. And if you don’t want children use contracteption.
This whole idea about the CSA taking half of a man’s income is absolute twaddle. My ex proves this. If a man doesn’t want to pay then he’s allowed to ignore their letters and calls and bury his little head in the sand. They won’t do anything. And if they do? Try a little smooth talking guys, then watch them wave your responsibilities away! ;o)
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I bet you are a right catch ……
Yes, I am. Not that it matters, as I said, I’m in a relationship.
Besides, I’ve read the nasty comments you’ve left for other female posters so if that comment is as sarcastic as it sounds then I’ll be having little chuckle at you and then be moving on. You come across as very bitter.
Just giving people my experience of the CSA.
hand this statment to your new partner he might change his mind about the relationship. if the csa start screwing with your lives and relstionship and then you can learn the hardway
I have to say I do agree with you that in some circumstances, if the absent parent doesnt want to pay, then the CSA make it exceptionally easy for them not to do so. It isnt about whether its fathers or mothers, we are all responsible for bringing life to this world, its about being responsible enough to pay for that life and not expect the government and the tax payers to do so. Unfortunately there are too many people that feel it is their absolute right to just breed like rabbits and get paid to sit on their backsides claiming they need and want 'to be there to raise my children'. I personally feel that the CSA should have a certain period of time, by law, in order to do their assessment and then should be forced to pay what they have assessed is reasonable whether they get it from the absent parent or not. I bet that if that were they way things were done, they would use their enforcement departments a whole lot more!
If you decided to leave him because you could do better and have done why are you suprised??????????????
My partner won’t change his mind. He knows exactly how I feel about the CSA.
He’s one of the many people (myself included) who work full time and pay tax to keep guys like my ex in ‘dole money’.
I’ve agreed that the system is shot to pieces and I have learnt the hard way that the CSA is pile of poop. At one point I was single, ex was paying nothing and I really struggled.
How my relationship comes into it I’ll never understand. My ex is my business and I go out to work to support my child. How the CSA would ‘screw with our lives’ is beyond me. Despite them failing me at every point I wouldn’t consider my life ‘screwed with’, just ‘inconveniennced’.
The £5 a week my ex is currently paying doesn’t go very far towards the upkeep of a child. It just about covers the cost of washing powder.
I was merely trying to point out that the CSA isn’t one sided against women.
It’s a crap system which doesn’t seem to benefit anyone.
Making nasty comment towards me in a place where I’m entitled to my own opinion astounds me.
The ones that fight for their kids and pay get shafted… go CSA you usless bunch of retards.
The csa help only themselves, look through this site and you will see that both PWC and NRP and especially the CHILDREN are very very unhappy with this incompetent mess.Quite simply they are NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE !
Sounds identical to my case unfortunately and I totally agree they shaft the honest guys out there that want to support their kids and the one's that make it hard for them get let off scott free most random system I have ever come across! If it was a mortgage or credit card bill they weren't saying they would never get away with it!!
*paying
Funny how CSA hassle NRPs to get money off them even though those NRPs pay/contribute towards the upbrining of their children and love them etc…. Yet they don't give a damn about trying to enforce child support payments by investigating and taking money off those NRPs who do try to dodge having to pay for their own kids. I agree, if you don't want to care about your kid and contribute towards his/her upbrining in any way, be it with cash, buying clothes, food, toys etc…. then use contraception for god's sake!!! Or don't have sex….I hate people who bring children into this world and sit on their bum waiting for the government and taxpayers to pay for their children and they are on benefits for years and years because it is easier than going to university/college, finish education and work your way up. Ridiculous.
some single parents dont have the choice of being on benefits if they dont have the support network around them. Its very cynical of sylvia to tar every pwc with the same brush. Yes the society we live in is benefits 4 an easy life culture. I myself have had crap from the csa and im a pwc with a nrp who had to be chased4 payments. Im doing a nursing course so i can set the example to my child that benefits area stopgap not a lifestyle. Maybe people should remember csa systems are years behind the rest and every csa case is different and shouldnt judge people under certain individual circumstances.
In fact its difficult for NRP's aswell as PWC's if on benefits, In fact in relation to benefits, there are those who are too ill to work… or have a disability that prevents them from being able to work!!!!In some cases, there are NRP's who are ill or/and disabled while the PWC has two or more working incomes into their household…. doesnt struggle… while NRP has to struggle withthe £5 per week deductions for maintenance payments, in some cases caused by PWC denying NRP contact with child either for vengeance for the separation or vengeance because NRP has found a new partner (and possibly more so because the NRP and NRPP is having a child)…..the end result is that the NRP makes whatever possible provisions for the child rather than provisions for PWC… SO why do PWC's choose to complain about NRPs who are on benefits… possibly because £5 isnt enough to finance their retail therapy?????Real reason is because PWC ends up with very little in money.. where as PAYE will usually be DEO'd £30 per week if not… then much much more.!!!! That's why PWC's complain about NRP's on benefits!!!!
CSA side with vindictive PWC's in many cases!!!!! the mass of evidence is clear and presented in many of the postings on this forum!!!!!
@Marie: Why am I cynical? I was talking about chavs especially, who are pushing the pushchair when they are 16, by the age of 22 they have 3 kids and they do not intend to get any education whatsoever. These people are the real burden on taxpayers! And please do not try to tell me that the group of people I described does not exist because it does!!!I am a single mom too and I worked hard to finish university and get a good degree classification with a baby and no help, so please don't try to educate me about single mothers' life because if someone learnt it the hard way, than it was me.
And I was talking about scroungers, milking off the system , NOT people who GENUINELY need the help on a TEMPORARY basis. Please!
What rubbish! The Csa takes up to 60% of the father's income and KEEPS it! It does not give it to the children or their mother (except in a very few cases). Hence children languish in poverty becase the Csa is taking the very money that these children should be receiving. The Csa was supposedly set up to chase those feckless fathers that didn't provide/look after their children but these are the fathers that the Csa refuse to chase. But what's the point anyway, when they are only going to keep the money that is meant for the children. The Uk is one of the worst countries for failing to comply with the UN Rights of the Child! Margaret Thatcher brought in the legislation that a father has "no responsibility for his children unless he is married to their mother", and then she tried to cover this up by introducing a Csa to collect money from fathers and keep it. Only if your case commenced 2008 or later, will you receive money from the Csa. This is why it must be closed down now! Also, see my comment to Lisa. If you are owed money by the Csa then claim it from them!
T Wheeler!
You won’t get any support from the likes of these bigots. It’s not hard to see why they have split from their partners.
Your ex sounds that a complete waster, and i would’nt waste anymore of my time on him. Let him live his sad little exsistance on the dole, just make sure your son knows all about him when he’s older. Parents like that don’t deserve love from their children.
sorry i read your comment wrong then as you didnt say CHAVS/scoungers.
I was obviously talking about the people who DELIBERATELY have a million kids and then live on welfare. Watch Jeremy Kyle Show. I'm talking about that of people, who are sexing with everyone, everyone has kids by everyong, everyone is a teenage mum, they have 6 million kids by 6 million different men and women. Disgusting! But going to school is too hard for them, or to get a better paying job, or even a full-time job.
Everyone has a different set of circumstances and a different tale to tell. I think the word ‘bigot’ is a bit strong. Whether it is money, contact issues or warring parents. I would like to see more mediation to iron out al of these issues and a parental contract. That neither punishes the NRP or over benefits the PWC.
“It’s a crap system which doesn’t seem to benefit anyone”.
That sums it up!
I agree with John.
Everybody has a different story to tell. I myself don’t agree with the csa, but accept I have to pay the £350 a month for my 2 children. I don’t agree with the percentage the csa set for deduction of earnings. They tell me it’s based on lifestyle. I’m sorry, but my ex will never leave her council house and her benefits, as well as receiving the money I pay. Therefore not improving the lifestyle of our children. I know for a fact the money doesn’t go on them. How can a woman on benefits afford a contract mobile phone, sky plus with the whole package, regular nights out, constantly bragging about clothes shopping for herself on facebook and my children get old clothes off her friends. It’s the monitoring of where the money is spent that should be improved. I have to prove my expenses at work with receipts. It would be a massive project to get PWC’s to send in receipts each month, but I feel something of the nature should be considered. At least the NRP’s can sleep easier knowing the children are fully benefiting. I know I would.
I have to mention that my ex partner does not let me have access to my children, due to me having a new partner. Again there is an argument that if the PWC’s were punished financially, they would soon forget about their selfish feelings and hand them over.
Someone made the comment about single parents having no choice but to be on benefits through lack of a support network!!!!
Sorry but what a load of tripe. There are lots of single parents in this situation who manage it, iw ork with 3 mothers who do this very successfully.just find a job that suits
The problem with the CSA is the CSA policy desecion makers, CSA should be taken back to the bare bones and restarted. NRP’s should be given a clean slate and all claims restarted. Maybe if they wanted to pursue abitual non payers they could do that but only when they have got affordable fair assesments inplace for the decent NRP’s.
Peter Anderson, your comments are incorrect – since 12/04/10, when legislation was change, ALL P'sWC receive the full amount collected for regular maintenance by the CSA, as there was a total benefit disregard. Only money that remained owed to the Secretary of State for arrears that accrued prior to that date do not get passed on.
thats bull it cost 70p to every £1 collected so how can they recive all the child maintance the csa is run fo profit company so they must pay wages from the stolen money from the nrps
Chall, Peter has previously commented that such issues were in action before the changes took place! you will have to review his posts to clarify this….
Well my ex nor the children have ever received a penny, out of the thousands the CSA have been paid. And, they have no intention of giving anything to they take now to the children. No good saying as from 12/04/10, that's less than a year ago! The CSA has always acted on the basis of fraud and theft and has never had any intention of using the money taken for the benefit of the children.
Peter, Do you have arrears that accrued before 12/04/10?Did your case commence on or after 03/03/03 OR before?Was your ex claiming benefits OR a private client?