CSA – Dispute of Parentage
Hi there. My story is really to do with my partner but our CSA nightmare has had a hugely stressful impact on both our lives for the last year.
My partner has disputed parentage of a child for the last fifteen years. At the time he firmly believed the child was his and so he signed the birth certificate – a fatal mistake that he has been paying for ever since. Without going into too much of his personal detail it eventually transpired that the child was not his and he has tried for the last fifteen years to get the CSA to listen to his side of the story.
During this time they have come and gone, taken money from him for a period of time then disappeared again, usually when he has changed jobs, but they have basically been a thorn in his side for the last fifteen years.
I’ve only been with him for four years and we heard nothing until last May when they popped up again asking for monthly payments and arrears money. Again, he explained his story, volunteered to do DNA tests and even to pay for them but they just continually referred to their default position of – ‘you signed the birth certificate so we are entitled to presume parentage.’ We did everything we could think of to try and get help; contacted the Citizens advice bureau, wrote to our local MP (who just re-iterated the same CSA line) and got a solicitor on to the case to write to his ex and ask for DNA tests.
After 7 months of paying a fortune to a solicitor and making no progress we were told that the only way out was to go to court for a declarator of non parentage. This would cost thousands which we don’t have, and my partner is not eligible for legal aid because of my earnings (something I also think is unfair because as a tax paying citizen in his own right he should be treated as an individual – especially as he was recently made redundant.)
Whatever reasons the childs mother has for refusing to take DNA tests over the years are personal to her and I’m not about to bad mouth her here. My gripe is mainly with the CSA, and what they are doing to my partner’s life, my life and the lives of my partners two sons from another relationship, my stepsons who are only 8 and 6.
The CSA really are a law unto themselves and seem to act without reason or logic – which shocks me to the core as I am a civil servant in another government enforcement agency and we have to be accountable for our actions and ensure a consistent approach at all times. The system is fundamentally flawed and there is no way of reasoning with this organisation. The people you speak to seem incapable of treating each case objectively because they are so bound up in the procedures. Well this situation involves the lives of a lot of different people and it’s complex. You cannot simply apply bureaucratic tick boxes, and expect things to fit neatly in. We have never had a case worker, my partner has had to explain his situation afresh each time he phones and I have written numerous letter on his behalf only to receive the same standard response -‘you signed the birth certificate’ There must be a million guys out there who did that in good faith! The system is biased in favour of the!
parent with care (usually the mother)and fathers have no rights whatsoever. Instead of being given the benefit of the doubt it is assumed that my partner is trying to evade his responsibilities. If these people knew my partner they would realise what an amazing father he is to his two sons and if he thought for a minute that this child was his too – he would certainly take his responsibility seriously.
Each time my partner has asked for DNA tests he has been told no-one at the CSA could force the childs mother to do this – he was meant to try and get her to agree to this himself – which he had also tried several unsuccessfully. In desperation he volunteered to pay something towards maintenance (even although we could ill afford it) to stop enforcement action being taken whilst we attempted to sort out the mess. However when he tried to discuss a payment schedule with them last July their information was so out of date they said they would have to re-assess the whole case. They also told him that they could not take into consideration the outgoings we have for my partners two kids because they don’t live with us and we don’t receive any benefits for them. I’d just like to make the following point here – just because they don’t live with us full time doesn’t mean that we don’t pay for them! We have my partners kids for half the week every week and we provide for them with no!
government support at all because their mother is in receipt of all the child benefits – so how is it fair that they are not considered when the case is assessed?
For about three months they said they were re-assessing the case, but we heard nothing, and were worried sick. I didn’t know if they would take my salary into consideration either because apparently the rules of assessment have changed. We felt like our lives were on hold – and we were scared to spend any money between worrying about the CSA and paying the solicitors. My partner phoned again late on in July to find out what was happening and was told that they had lost his wage slips (fortunately we had copied them), so again nothing happened although we lived in constant fear of my partners wages being arrested.
Then out of the blue our solicitor wrote in November and said that the CSA had written to say they weren’t dealing with the case anymore. We almost rejoyced but when she phoned them this turned out to not be the case and this was when she told us that our only option was court. Since then we have been in limbo because nothing has actually been resolved and I’ve been waiting for the brown envelope to come through the door ever since.
Then lo and behold – this month (which happens to be the childs birthday) we get a new payment schedule in! We are almost at the end of our tether, with the frustration, anger, and stress at how unfair it all is and quite honestly the worry has made me ill because they make you feel like a criminal and I have never been on the wrong side of the law in my life.
We had a small glimmer of hope the other day when they phoned to say that the childs mother has finally agreed to DNA tests. We have no idea why and we can’t breathe a sigh of relief yet until we see if it actually happens. I don’t think I could bear the disappointment if it falls through. However I saw something on their website which I haven’t seen before. Apparently if the parent with care refuses to do the tests the CSA can actually use their discretion to close the case – I’m sure this is new and if so then it does re-dress some of the balance and makes it fairer. In my opinion when there is any dispute about parentage then all parties concerned should be made to take DNA tests.
I’ve read that they only have to give money back for any time period that there has been a dispute too! Well my partner has disputed this pretty much for 15 years but I bet they don’t have that on record – so that would probably be another fight.
My partner and I are honest hard working tax paying citizens and I just want us to be able to move on, and live our lives, get married bring up my partners two actual kids and maybe have my own baby. If we didn’t love each other and believe in ourselves as a couple then I doubt our relationship would have survived this. I’ve got my fingers crossed that there is light at the end of the tunnel and good luck to all of you who need help with this.
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Hi,
Quote; After 7 months of paying a fortune to a solicitor and making no progress we were told that the only way out was to go to court for a declarator of non parentage. This would cost thousands…
Sadly, if your solicitor was savvy with CS legislation, they would have been aware that the agency can indeed assume parentage because the NRP is named on the birth certificate – However, the actual cost of a court hearing and a DNA test would total approx £450, give or take a few quid.
We have advice on the forum at http://afairercsaforall.co.uk/ on how to proceed.
Stay strong x
Thanks for that post – I’ve always doubted the amount of knowledge the solicitor had and each time it seemed like I knew more than them!
I’ve signed the petition for a fairer CSA and am determined to help with the campaign
x
My husband and I are going through exactly the same thing. We are going through the courts to have a paternity test only to have them say that it is not in the childs best interests to have a test done and it’s too much of an intrusion on the mother to force her to have one as it is her stong belief my husband is the father of her child. Like you, my husbands name is on the birth certificate so we do not have a leg to stand on with the csa and are at a loss on what to do with the court proceedings now. We could go for declarator of non-parentage but as they have refused a test they are likely to refuse this also.
I also have the same problem with the csa, i was married on july 1999 and 6 months later my wife told me she was pregnant, i was so happy and we moved to a bigger house, she was also telling me that she was being sexualy harassed by a man from her work, but she did not want me to speak tio him, a few weeks later this man called me at my work and told me that he was sleeping with my wife and the baby she was carrying may be his, my wife intitialy denied this, but then admited after i said i wont leave you but i need to know, was i to leave her or stay cause this baby could also be mine, we stayed together and prepared fot the birth, we had a wee girl on sep 2000 and i brought her up as my own, on 2nd jan 2002 we split up due to numerous affairs my wife was having and that she was also hitting me regularly, after we seperated i was looking foward to having a relationship with my daughter without my wife being there, but my wife did not want this, she told me that my access to the child was only with her supervision and my family where to have no access, i dont know where this came from, but she told me that she would ruin my life and never let me be happy i was told that if i ever met someone else she would never let her see my daughter. i said i will get a dna test to prove she is my daughter and then she cannot do this she said ok you pay for it, but whils i was doing that she went privately to the csa and told them a different story, the csa are making my life hell 10 different people have been dealing with my case and my ex refuses to give dna test the wee girl is on her 3rd dad since i left my ex said igive her the house she will gor for dna again she refused i have met with her in private and she has told me that she thinks that the child is not mine but she cant face the it, publicly i am the bastard but privately she knows what she has done. my life is ruined because of her and the nazi csa.
I thought I was the only one going through this…
My (alleged) daughter was born in Feb 2000 and stupidly excited I was at the time, I agreed to the CSA, that, I was the father, well to be fair it was indeed possible. However the mother stopped me visiting the second I signed the paperwork.
My name is NOT on the birth certificate.
For a few years I got over it and just sent letters, cards and presents, not as a form of cupboard love but so she would know I was out there somewhere.
Three years later I had another child with my new partner, now my wife. I sent a photo and letter to my first daughter, so she could see her half sister. At this point I should add, I have no photos or response from her so I can only guess that her mother is filtering mail. Anyway, her mother did call me very irate that I was irresponsible enough to have another child, (she has 6 now, to my 2).
A couple of more years passed, and every 2 years the CSA claim to have had notice that I am earning more money (mum again) and want to up the payments, funny thing is I have been on a pay freeze for the last 4 years and the CSA went as far to phone my work to check this.
My wife and I talked about this whole deal and I came to the conclusion that we need to get some external help, so I wrote to my MP who fast tracked a meeting with the CSA and myself and the mother. On the third court letter she attended, but the court came down on her side.
I then decided to get proof that I was the parent, so I took out an access order. I have just been to her local court a 300 mile round trip for the 5th time, she refuses to engage with the court or CAFCAS.
So far I have spent £500 trying to get access plus a further £250 traveling to and from court.
The CSA are NOT a child support agency they are a funding service for mothers who want to stick two fingers up to the courts, and they can get away with it.
Just like “mrs f” (on July 23rd) the last court hearing today, the court have said there is nothing more that they can (read will) do, and even if the mother did attend they WOULD NOT tell the mother to do a DNA test as at age 11 it would put to much trauma on her.