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CSA demanded 8k or they’d send me to prison

7 January 2013 by Simon Brown

About a year ago I had a phone call from the CSA demanding that I pay £8,000 or I will be sent to prison, this isn’t the first time that they have demanded large sums of money from me and just like the last time my family almost killed themselves to get the money together.

I earn £12000 a year as business has truly gone down hill and was even at one point claiming JSA but they refused to take that into account.

since then I have been paying £40 per week despite the fact that even my employer wrote to them and informed them of my earnings.

I have now amended my payment form £40 per week to £16 a week as this is the rate that I should be paying, and have written a letter to inform them that I have changed my standing order.

I know that they will come back to hit me hard claiming that my ex wants more money and that I will have to pay £1000’s again as some sort of form of punishment for correcting my payments.

I’m feeling very desperate at present, as you can imagine myself and my family haven’t had a great Christmas as I have been handing out all my spare money to keep the CSA of my back and there demands has also depleted my parents cash and they are retired.

Please can someone help

Thank you

Simon Brown

24 thoughts on “CSA demanded 8k or they’d send me to prison”

  1. Did you inform the CSA when your circumstances changed and you were claiming JSA? Have you been told where the arrears come from – if not you need to ask for a client statement showing all charges and payments.
    If there are arrears on the case then you will be liable to pay them, you should be able to negotiate a re-payment of the arrears but it needs to be such that the arrears can be cleared in a period of no more than 24 months.

  2. Quote Simon; I have now amended my payment form £40 per week to £16 a week….

    Have you sent the realvent info to the CSA to enable them the re calculate your liability?

    chall

  3. I did do more than a year ago and my employer also sent them a letter telling them of my earnings but they claimed due to my ex that I was lying and the fact that I was claiming JSA was ignored.

    the bottom line is that I am an NRP that I had shouted at me down the phone by one of the CSA staff.

    I have now sent them a print out of the calculation from there website plus a letter but I do have a recording of them telling me that the £40 per week is what any one would pay earning £12,00 a year, which is a complete lie.

    I my story goes much deeper than this and could really do with some help, my ex also signed a legal document in recept of a very large amount of money that all child care would be taken care off but the CSA also refuse to recognise this legal document and the fact that they came after me for £8,000 wasn’t the first time.
    Anyway I have now lost my business due to there demands and could finalise my my company documents etc…

    Also I have spoken to other people who have been in a simular circumstance to me aka NRP also there is a post on this website that someone missed a few payment and had the CSA give made them pay £6,000 in the same amount of time that I had.

    I would pay for legal advise but to be honest I have rang many people and they have told me that there is no point as they are a law upon themselves, I wont say that they are all bad because I have had a few people from the CSA call to inform me of what is going on.

    Hand on my heart I’m not someone looking to get out without paying trust me I could just leave. I want to look after my beloved daughter, get a little breathing space so I can return back to work and earn the money that I used to, and make a better future.

  4. “Court ruling leaves child maintenance authority ‘emasculated’” – read that thread on this site, you may want to contact the barrister who did this case.

  5. My son has arrears he did not know about as he thought he was maintaining a 50/50 shared residence with his ex. He is now paying his arrears back. Because he disputed the arrears, theY put a DEO on him. He was not too happy about it at first, but at least he has a record of what he is paying to the CSA and in some ways I think he now prefers the DEO.

  6. To browned off

    I understand how your son would be feeling, I didn’t have any arrears but my ex claimed that I was making more money than stated and they just went for me with all guns blazing.

    They will lie about the amount.

    And this will include any payment that he has made during and prior the CSA.

    I regards to my case they are refusing to meet me at my residence as I can prove that I’m not living the high-live also it seems that my file has disappeared and any information regarding the large payments that I have made.

    Anyway I hope all the best for your son.

  7. Hi my husband and I are in a similar predicament but his arrears are higher. Get your MP involved if you can. Just so you know there is no 2 year law (although they try to make you think that) about arrears being paid in two years. It is just something they like to clear in that time frame. Also we have been advised if it goes to court do DO attend! if it gets too bad you can always apply for a form 245 and this takes the arrears out of the csa hands and puts it to a court (of law) and not commenwealth and out of the CSA hands.

    I cannot say if these statements are accurate it is things we have read and advice from our CAB.

  8. I questioned CSA regarding Child Benefit being claimed for a child 18yrs? who by his own admission (social network site) is working and not living at home.

    CSA said that it is for Child Benefit office to investigate, so I asked CB office and not has a reply. They said they would investigate.

    CSA have sent me a letter stating that child is in non advanced education, and That I have to pay until 20yrs old, if he stays in education.

    On 10th December 2012, Legislatuion was brought in that CB will be payable under certain conditions maintenance will be payable until a young person reaches 20yrs. Young person until 20 my ar-e!

    Any advice. I am not paying until 20yrs, I will get solicitors involved. They just cannot move the goalposts to ‘rip off’ nrp’s.. I have been paying for 13 years,at least 50K. Am sick to the back teeth with this lot!

  9. To John
    Gosh I feel you man, this is what I’m complaining about when it come to NRP’s the rules change and we are treated very unfairly, if you don’t pay they will come back for you.

    I’m going to come clean about something, I am a registered penetration tester AKA an ethical hacker and used to work for governments, inorder to do this role means that I’m both qualified in both Computer Science and Law.

    Which is why I’m going to give you some free legal advice…

    The CSA like to act that they don’t have to answer to anyone and no solicitor in England will help as they both have a responsibility to the Crown aka the court.

    Now just like any debt in the country the debtor has to prove that there claims are correct and not the CB. so ask the CSA to prove the your child is still in education, believe me they have to prove it…

    As your child is over 16 and in the eyes of the LAW is and adult there is no child custody issues, in you case and they will have to give you the College/University for you to contact and also enrolment information.

    Remember word of mouth isn’t good enough and request everything in writing.

  10. The CSA rely on the payment of child benefit to determine if the child still qualifies for child maintenance.
    The person in receipt of child benefit is regarded as the PWC.
    If child benefit is in payment incorrectly the CSA will not investigate but will rely on the Child Benefit Agency to take responsibility.

  11. wilf that is true but not quite correct.

    If for some reason there is fraud on the other half, such as stating that the child is still in education, you have the right to request proof that the child is in fact in education as my note above. by law any debtor has to supply proof of the debt.

    As I have stated above, I would request proof from the CSA there reasons and proof.

    You may also contact the PWC in regardes to this matter but from my understanding your problem is with the CSA and under current law regardless of CB or PWC, all debtors have to prove the debt.

    I wall also add that I do think that some comments that I have heard from within the CASHell blog seems to come from CSA Staff and they are in no position to comment legally.

  12. Simon:- I was merely pointing out that the CSA will regard the payment of child benefit is all the proof they need and if you have a dispute with regards to payment of child benefit then contact with the Child Benefit Agency will be more fruitful.
    Debtor = the person who owes money.

  13. I’m sorry wilf

    But under current legislation all debts have to be legally justified an that your recommendation may work in the long-term but that fact still reminds that the CSA still under current legislation has to prove that the debt actually exist.

    This would be the quickest route to get the matter resolved.

    I have heard on this forum all kinds of advice most of which isn’t true, for example that all debts have to be paid in 2 years etc.

    The fact I am legally trained and have defended myself against the CSA as an NRP for may years and the nature of my original post is in regards to the nature of hoe NRP’s are treated within the CSA.

    I’m going to tell you a story.

    I spent many years training to be an ethical hacker, yes governments banks and big business pay people like me to hack there systems and tell them how it can be done (google it). Now there are many requirements to do this job, which is why I can’t do this anymore.

    1: Computer Science and Law
    2: have no debts especially to the Government that you are testing.

    Thus this is why I’m out of work.

    Now after loosing my daughter and due to having the CSA on my back I lost who I am and what I used to do and the step that I went through to do my job.

    One day a CSA officer broke me and I remembered about all my legal skills and started to fight back.

    I will stand by my comment and I will have to advise that they request that the CSA prove that there claim exist, also, it is in the Child Support Act Guidelines that they get information from third parties which will be used for any adjustments, but still under current legislation the CSA still has to prove it. This will cause them to get a little stuck because hearsay and third parties isn’t admissible in court.

  14. These people are an absolute disgrace. My case is currently with an independent case examiner and who knows when it will be resolved, until it is i guess i will just be getting deeper into debt.
    My advice would be to take your case to your MP…they will help you get through the dreaded customer services loop which just keeps you going around in circles forever more.
    I wonder if anyone has ever successfully taken a legal case against the CSA for stress anxiety related illness?? i am sure that people have suffered in this way and if the law is worth having surely there is recourse to do this…if nothing else it may alter the way the CSA deal with what are effectively clients. Just a thought

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