CSA are bafoons
Well where do i start, I have had dealings with the csa now for over ten years, and by now you would think that I would be use to them and they wouldnt wind me up, incorrect. I have been treated the same as most other people ie, Bullied, by means of being told we will take your driving license, put you in prison, and confiscate your passport.
They even threatened to take my house.
I have been to court so many times i have lost count. The csa say it is always best for you to attend, what a load of crap. You sit there the csa rep says what she needs to say, the judge asks if you have anything to say, you say what you want to say, then the judge makes the award to the csa after telling you that he basically isnt interested in what you have to say. So after all that you have taken a day off work without pay to attend the court and try and come to a reasonable solution, only to be kicked in the man vegatables and made even worse off than you were before you attended court.Well that was worth it !!!!!!! not.
The csa had all my details so they could see how much i was supposed to be paying. I like most people under the scrutiny of the csa i had crewed up arrears. The csa came back to me some time later and said you have been assessed that you can only afford to pay x amount a month on your earnings after your personal allowances have been deducted. Six weeks later I get a letter saying you have now got to pay x + x per month.
This totally stressed me out so i made the phone call and explained that i had had this letter and couldnt afford the extra payment per month only to be told you will pay this or we will go to court for a liability order. I replied by saying you have assessed me and told me that I can only afford to pay x per month, you have set this amount, and now your saying you want extra. I said I simply cannot afford the extra, only to be told , you will have to pay it or we will go to court and get a liability order. Do you ever get that feeling that you are going round in bloody cirles. The csa just havent got a clue on how to use some common sense.
When you go to court the feeling I get is that the judge sees what he is dealing with and thinks oh dear this really is a government issue i best not decide against that. I have been divorced now for over ten years, I havent seen my twin boys due to the fact my ex mrs stopped me even though I had a court order granting me access. The csa should have the power to say to any family that has gone through any kind of break up that If eithern party donot adhere to any court order assistance from the csa will stop. But anyone who has dealt with the csa will know they dont have one bit of common sense. Well I have had my rant, and got myself wound up again. I am now one of the lucky ones because my case is closed in march this year. Just one more thing, I have an idea has to how the government can save millions of pounds per year. Why the hell are we paying child support to families that have got children over the age of 18. This is where the government have no idea what so ever.
18 is the age of majority, so you can consume alcohol, smoke, watch porno movies, join the army shoot and kill, and vote as to which political party you want to run the country. So when I child reaches the age of 18 stop the bloody family allowance and give the bloody tax payer a break, at 18 you are an adult not a bloody child.
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I have 12 years of incompetence from this bunch of useless idiots, and we have similarities in that the CSA have made repeated mistakes with my case, dumping debt onto me and increasing my payments without negotiation.
I too had a contact order (£2000 in legal fees) that was repeatedly broken by my ex. I was present in court where the Judge told her in no uncertain circumstamces the conditions of MY contact. I informed the court of breaches of the order. They did NOTHING! I ceased contact because it was her way or the highway. So be it!
I have nothing but CSA problems (caused by them) for 11 of those 12 years, and I am expecting that they will keep coming back for more money.
£3.8 billion remains uncollected. There are people over-paying, under-paying and people not paying at all. Maroa MIller is about to write off £300 million pounds of uncollected maintenance. So! it’s okay if you don’t pay and can avoid the CSA, you get your money owed written off!
I agree about the age limit. I was 16 when I started working. My parents expected nothing from the government, but where unconditionally given family allowance, which ceased when I started work. This limit of 19 is ridiculous and yet another government scam to keep the unemployment figures down, by keeping adults who could work in education. I don’t think that may payees would object paying to 16 but 19 is just for the purpose of recycling benefits and government fraud!
I have challenged the government on their £300 million pound write off. They don’t want to here it. What does that say of democracy?
Our only hope is some sort of class action, or a brave legal firm who will take the government to task, win, and open the floodgates for all of those who have sufffered CSA bullying and incompetence to make them pay for this flawed, not fit for purpose system!
The children belong to both parents. Not the government. Not an incompetent civil servant, and for the government to think that a marriage breakdown gives them the right to hound and intimidate an NRP because they CANNOT reach an agreement with the PWC is just taking advantage of the situation! ( and they know it).
WELL SAID JOHN and you are 100% right we all feel it.
I did exactly that I gave up, stopped fooling myself that as a father I can get access, have a fair hearing, negotiate a sensible amount of money of maintenance. But NO, the CSA want to fuck you till it hurts whilst the PWC enjoys all that our taxes supports and legally provides, while you and Iget sweet FA!
However, I cannot and will not allow the CSA to keep stealing my hard earned “salary ” when they feel like it. I recently lost my job due to the CSA. The CSA have stolen money as “legal terrorists” of this new “state” we live in. We being slowly kettled into a No Win -situation and its gathering boiling point for many.
I would be more than happy to now contribute to a single NRP support fund to legally fight this on going “crime” by the CSA and the Govt policy. We must now all try stand up to this together and fight this.
The CSA love and enjoy the fact that it effects each individual all over this country rather than us fighting all together having a “single large representation” body fighting our cause.
Is this possible??
“We being slowly kettled into a No Win -situation and its gathering boiling point for many”. Excellent phrase, and could’nt agree more!
Making financial provision for children is one thing, being bullied, downtrodden, criminalised and having money stolen from bank accounts is another! What sort of democracy is that? These lot make Dick Turpin look like a saint!
I have all ready chased the census guy down the drive, telling him that I am calling the police! Cheeky bastards, treating a decent, honest person like scum, and then asking for my help on a census. Democracy is a two way street!
Here are some extracts from one of my letters to Parliament:-
“Should ANY prospective local Councillor or Politician knock on my door, asking for my vote, I will be calling the Police to make a complaint of harassment, as I will be alarmed and distressed”?
“I sincerely hope that UK citizens make themselves heard ‘loud and clear’ in the near future, and that the balance of power is restored to decent, honest, democratic people, whilst making those who choose to represent us accountable!
“I really don’t think any of you understand the depth of public feeling about UK politicians and civil servants, and the ruination that they are causing in our society, where ordinary people are NOT being heard”!
Soz that you lost your job. Have you seen your M.P. and given him the truth?
History will be the judge of this ‘not fit for purpose’ , ‘shambles’ and those who have sought to criminalise decent people, including politicans, who ‘turn a blind eye’, claiming parliamentary protocol as a defence!
What goes around, comes around!
Quote John; “£3.8 billion remains uncollected. There are people over-paying, under-paying and people not paying at all. Maroa MIller is about to write off £300 million pounds of uncollected maintenance. So! it’s okay if you don’t pay and can avoid the CSA, you get your money owed written off!”
~ I have posted the details of this for you before…
Currently there is no provision to write off any arrears of child maintenance.
The proposed write off power is LIMITED, so that the agency may only exercise it in respect of certain prescribed types of arrears, as below –
1) The PWC makes clear that they no longer require the arrears to be collected and the arrears are owed to the parent with care rather than the Secretary of State. (The agency will be able to negotiate with both the non-resident parent and the parent with care in order to accept a part payment in full and final satisfaction of all the child maintenance arrears owed.);
~ Arrears can accrue in a number of ways, each case is different, how can it be unreasonable IF a PWC decides they do not wish for their share to be collected?
2) The PWC has died and there is no known next of kin;
~ If the agency continue collecting arrears from the NRP, who should the money be paid to?
3) The NRP has died and the arrears cannot be recovered from their estate;
~ Until recently their was NO provision for the agency to collect from a deceased estate. Many past cases are still showing arrears that can not be collected. How could the agency continue collection?
4) Arrears accrued from an Interim Maintenance Assessment (IMA) which was calculated between April 1993 and April 1995; or
~ A NRP’s actual amount of CS is calculated LESS that the IMA, so their liability is reduced, shouldn’t the arrears be written off?
5) The agency has advised the non-resident parent that recovery of the arrears has been permanently suspended; for example, where the arrears have accrued as a result of delay in establishing the maintenance liability by the agency (which was not the fault of the non-resident parent)
~ Agency delays and errors created arrears, case is corrected and arrears are not owed, shouldn’t the arrears be written off?
Where the arrears are owed entirely to the Secretary of State by way of benefit recovery, the agency will exercise its discretion to decide if the amount being offered by the non-resident parent is reasonable.
Quote John; “I have challenged the government on their £300 million pound write off. They don’t want to here it. What does that say of democracy?”
~ On what grounds have you challenged such?
chall ~ afairercsaforall
Chall ~I have posted the details of this for you before…
Currently there is no provision to write off any arrears of child maintenance.
The proposed write off power is LIMITED, so that the agency may only exercise it in respect of certain prescribed types of arrears, as below –
1) The PWC makes clear that they no longer require the arrears to be collected and the arrears are owed to the parent with care rather than the Secretary of State. (The agency will be able to negotiate with both the non-resident parent and the parent with care in order to accept a part payment in full and final satisfaction of all the child maintenance arrears owed.);
~ Arrears can accrue in a number of ways, each case is different, how can it be unreasonable IF a PWC decides they do not wish for their share to be collected?
2) The PWC has died and there is no known next of kin;
~ If the agency continue collecting arrears from the NRP, who should the money be paid to?
I knew a PWC who died and his ex wife HAS NOT paid any money for child support!
3) The NRP has died and the arrears cannot be recovered from their estate;
~ Until recently their was NO provision for the agency to collect from a deceased estate. Many past cases are still showing arrears that can not be collected. How could the agency continue collection?
4) Arrears accrued from an Interim Maintenance Assessment (IMA) which was calculated between April 1993 and April 1995; or
~ A NRP’s actual amount of CS is calculated LESS that the IMA, so their liability is reduced, shouldn’t the arrears be written off?
5) The agency has advised the non-resident parent that recovery of the arrears has been permanently suspended; for example, where the arrears have accrued as a result of delay in establishing the maintenance liability by the agency (which was not the fault of the non-resident parent)
~ Agency delays and errors created arrears, case is corrected and arrears are not owed, shouldn’t the arrears be written off?
Where the arrears are owed entirely to the Secretary of State by way of benefit recovery, the agency will exercise its discretion to decide if the amount being offered by the non-resident parent is reasonable.
Chall ~ On what grounds have you challenged such?
John ~ For a start :- Having consulted a Senior Barrister. I am informed that Having a three tier system, wherby individuals are paying at different levels, this BREACHES Human rights as it is discriminatory!
So, Chall hasn’t heard of Human rights or Civil Liberties. Instead he attempts to pick holes in others arguments! He/She thinks that voicing your opinions on a forum has to have some foundation in law!
Let me say this. The law in the case of the CSA/CMEC is ‘flawed’. The system is ‘not fit for purpose’, and for ALL OF US the Law is there to be challenged and tested. However, this cannot be the case regarding the CSA/CMEC as they have every angle covered, and are denying those who seek remedy (legal or otherwise) to be tried in court by a jury of their peers. It is in fact a ‘closed shop of compliancy’. Those who raise the ‘Taboo’ subject of child support are ‘slapped down’ as ‘pariahs’ who do not financially support their children, via the use of Statute law’, where ‘Common law’ precedes Statute law!
Well, I do financially support my children, and having raised a son on my own (now aged 25 with a Bsc Honours in Business and management), whose mother did not financially support him, because she was ‘let off’ by the CSA.
What happens between me, the children, and their mother, is NOTHING to do with politicians passing ‘flawed legislation’ and incompetent civil servants ‘botching up’ cases!
Chall ~ Where the arrears are owed entirely to the Secretary of State by way of benefit recovery, the agency will exercise its discretion to decide if the amount being offered by the non-resident parent is reasonable.
John ~ Having represented myself at a tribunal and put this very argument to the adjudicator ( where I was stitched up with £6,400 of arresrs because of CSA incompetence). The adjudicator stated ” I have no jurisdiction regarding arrears”! A complete and utter lie, according to their discretionary powers!
Chall ~ You carry on quoting the CSA bible if you want to. I intend to continue to expose this biased, sham system and legislation!
If I wanted a Parrot for my shoulder, I would have purchased one from the pet shop!
Go on Chall I have saved you the trouble ~
John ~ For a start :- Having consulted a Senior Barrister. I am informed that Having a three tier system, wherby individuals are paying at different levels, this BREACHES Human rights as it is discriminatory!
So, Chall hasn’t heard of Human rights or Civil Liberties. Instead he attempts to pick holes in others arguments! He/She thinks that voicing your opinions on a forum has to have some foundation in law!
Let me say this. The law in the case of the CSA/CMEC is ‘flawed’. The system is ‘not fit for purpose’, and for ALL OF US the Law is there to be challenged and tested. However, this cannot be the case regarding the CSA/CMEC as they have every angle covered, and are denying those who seek remedy (legal or otherwise) to be tried in court by a jury of their peers. It is in fact a ‘closed shop of compliancy’. Those who raise the ‘Taboo’ subject of child support are ‘slapped down’ as ‘pariahs’ who do not financially support their children, via the use of Statute law’, where ‘Common law’ precedes Statute law!
Well, I do financially support my children, and having raised a son on my own (now aged 25 with a Bsc Honours in Business and management), whose mother did not financially support him, because she was ‘let off’ by the CSA.
What happens between me, the children, and their mother, is NOTHING to do with politicians passing ‘flawed legislation’ and incompetent civil servants ‘botching up’ cases!
Chall ~ Where the arrears are owed entirely to the Secretary of State by way of benefit recovery, the agency will exercise its discretion to decide if the amount being offered by the non-resident parent is reasonable.
John ~ Having represented myself at a tribunal and put this very argument to the adjudicator ( where I was stitched up with £6,400 of arresrs because of CSA incompetence). The adjudicator stated ” I have no jurisdiction regarding arrears”! A complete and utter lie, according to their discretionary powers!
Chall ~ You carry on quoting the CSA bible if you want to. I intend to continue to expose this biased, sham system and legislation!
If I wanted a Parrot for my shoulder, I would have purchased one from the pet shop!
I just wanted to say that the system does not just fail parents without care, my son is now 13, and we have waited and waited for the CSA to prove that they can do something right, and collect the money owing to him, but they let us down at every turn. I have actually spent more on phone calls then we have ever received from his father, who thinks that if he keeps messing everyone about, they will somehow forget about him. In all the years dealing with the CSA, they have never once written to me, returned a call, even though they have promised to, or even got so far as to work out exactly how much my son is owed and when it should be paid to him. It reached a new level of ridiculous when a member of staff told me “don’t worry, even if it takes till your son is 40, we’ll get the money for you!!!” Not as comforting as they might think!
Even so, I shall continue to try and get my head around the farce that is the CSA, and won’t even contemplate letting them get away with it.
Yvonne. If you haven’t all ready go to your M.P. and ask them to make enquires on your behalf.
Where, I don’t agree with this ‘shambolic’ system. I do agree that parents should provide finances for their children!
An abundance of unnecessary comments there John, how democratic of you, well done…
Quote John; “I have challenged the government on their £300 million pound write off.”
Chall ~ On what grounds have you challenged such?
Quote John ~ For a start :- Having consulted a Senior Barrister. I am informed that Having a three tier system, wherby individuals are paying at different levels, this BREACHES Human rights as it is discriminatory!
Can’t you answer my question OR perhaps you deliberately electing to evade such.
There’s a very good saying about the blind, leading the blind!
chall ~ afairercsaforall
Yvonne,
If you haven’t already escalate your case to a complaint and copy in your local MP, keep copies of all correspondence and send signed for post.
You state that the agency have not yet worked out exactly how much is owed and when it should be paid ~ How long ago is it that you applied to the agency?
chall ~ afairercsaforall
1) Chall ~An abundance of unnecessary comments there John, how democratic of you, well done.
2) Chall ~ Can’t you answer my question OR perhaps you deliberately electing to evade such.
3) Chall ~ There’s a very good saying about the blind, leading the blind!
1) This coming from an automaton who repeats flawed legislation and others quotes verbatim!
2) The answer to your question lies on the courts, so if you feel like providing finance, in order that I can pay the legal thieves to have my case heard, feel free!
3) Perhaps you may like this quote:- ” The fellow who thinks he knows it all is especially annoying to those of us who do.”
afairercsaforall……No such thing!
John,
You continue bemoaning, despite being given correct info on another thread;
“Maroa MIller is about to write off £300 million pounds of uncollected maintenance. So! it’s okay if you don’t pay and can avoid the CSA, you get your money owed written off!”
At least get your facts straight. If you don’t wish to take my word for it, try doing some research. I’m starting to think you may purposely be trying to mislead people.
” The fellow who thinks he knows it all is especially annoying to those of us who do.”
Go on then John, share the verbatim, how much profit was made, any period will do, take your pick! “a run for profit company (with CCJ’s against its’ name)” https://www.csahell.com/my-husband-shouldnt-have-to-pay-7618.html
Quote John; “The answer to your question lies on the courts..”
Your post February 7th, 2012 11:14 am , 6th paragraph states “I have challenged the government on their £300 million pound write off..”.
~ The answer lies with you. Your the one making the claim.
“Flawed legislation” it may well be, but at present like it or not, we are ALL stuck with it and the consequences – Do share if you know any different, but facts only please, no brownie points for opinion, not in this province!
There’s a striking similarity between communicating with the CSA and yourself, neither seem interested in facts that don’t suit them OR directly answering questions and both have a tendency to pass insults…
chall ~ afairercsaforall
You started it with your know all attitude!
If your replies are based on opinion, it’s unfair to other’s not making your position clear OR if your replies are incorrect (based on the ‘flawed legislation’), I or other’s may correct such OR if your being a lemming for a third party, make sure those who’s statements your taking as gospel are correct !!
If your going to make a statement, ensure you can back it up John!
chall ~ afairercsaforall
Chall ~ ” If your going to make a statement, ensure you can back it up John!”.
If we all listened to you, we would jall just roll over and put up with the ‘flawed’ legislation and maladministration!
CSA Hell. ” Do you want to be heard?
I am passing 12 years of my experiences, with MY contact with the CSA, as others are doing on here……and I have the evidence!
Tell us your story of how the CSA has treated you. We might be able to help, and could publish your tale on the website to make sure everyone knows about the problems you’ve had.”
I suggest that you take your frustrations out with CSA Hell and not those who express their opinions
I have plenty of information, legal and otherwise to back up my case, and in a ‘Democratic’ society, I am entitled to express my opinion via freedom of speech!.
Buzz off back to your own website and let those who choose to listen to your ‘rantings’ do it on a~ afairercsaforall….by the way no such thing as a ~ afairercsaforall! It’s a shambles!
Grow up!
After 19 years of hell with the csa i need to speak to someone regarding this . In 1993 i was assessed by the CSa > Paid my maintennce . in 1997 they carried out a review, it took them 26 months to complete this , then they give me a revised assessment and back date it 26 months ( still paying maintenance during this period )s . Leaving me with 5k arrears . > The csa will not apply section 27 of the child support act ( deferred payment scheme even though the arrears accumulated due to their failings . stinks eh !!!! even though the legislation was in place at time of review . the csa state they considered it ? why consider when legislation is there for a purpose .