CSA and self employed
I read the comment regarding the ex partner and his boat! It is exactly the same as my story.
I want to know why the self employed are allowed “allowances” from their gross income and the child gets maintenance from what is left? Why should the self employed be treated any different from an employed person? It is not a fair system. My ex husband is self employed but employed on a permanent basis by a company and yet he gets these allowances, resulting in my son getting over half what he should be getting a week!
The CSA tells me he brings home only £201 a week, this barely covers his mortgage payment, let alone council tax, the maintenance payment, gas, electricity etc. I have sent the CSA a list of his outgoings and compared it to what they tell me he brings home, but have basically been a liar!
After nearly 3 years of fighting them I have given up and now cancelled my claim. The system is a joke and needs changing. They are not there to help the children at all.
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You shouldnt cancel, thats what they want! Join the facebook groups child support agency failings plus many others and you will see there are many others in similar situations but we are all trying to get justice for our children!
I have spent 11 yrs trying but I have got further than most because I knew the system was wrong and I managed to get an advance payment few years ago (approx. £15,000 plus interest) because Watchdog were going to feature my case and also because I found a Solicitor to sue the CSA.
Im still trying to get justice and I wont give up as the CSA via the Criminal Compliance Unit, got evidence that my ex (NRP) has lied about his earnings – not only to the CSA but to the Inland Revenue – and Im trying to get a Tribunal Appeal Hearing to change the maintenance assessment to reflect this. I had an appeal 14 months ago and the CSA did not provide this evidence, because of this I have requested this be set aside and another heard. Im still waiting for this as obviously they do not know how to handle someone taking it this far as I know no one else has (please contact me if you have but from what I can gather no one has) Ive contacted my MP numerous times – without much help – and me and my ‘colleague’ were going to have a meeting with Helen Goodman MP who at the time was responsible for the CSA, but unfortunately due to the Political situation it didnt happen. But I will press on with this until I not only get the justice my children should have had (instead of going without) but try to get the system changed so no one else has to go through this hell that I have been through and that many others are still going through now.
I am so glad I am not on my own. I submitted a variation three years ago. It went to appeal but was rejected and now it will be heard on 17/5 at tribunal. It isn’t fair that limited company’s have loop holes to evade not only child support but tax and other payments also. I am mithering my MP and will not give up!! I am not only doing this for my children, but for other children whose mum is in the same situation as me.
csa is a sham that creates more children living in poverty,i have 3 children and my ex gets away scotch free paying for his 2 kids by csa but yet csa take my ctc for my kids as my partners earnings to assess payment for his child.where is the justice in that so now my 3 children that have to go with out a little more because we have to pay it to someone who already gets ctc.i agree people should pay for their kids but it should be assessed on the nrp earnings only.
If the CSA was fair and simply established a system that made fathers pay what it actually costs to raise a child rather then take a flat percentage of their earnings, more fathers would be fair with the CSA and the mother. Too many mothers think that they will punish and get one over the father by getting the CSA involved. This simply builds hatred and bitterness because when the CSA get involved, many fathers are treated very unfairly as their outgoing are never taken in to account. If the CSA are not going to be fair and have ridiculous levels of payments that simply cannot be justified as being the cost to raise a child then fathers have no choice but to “play the system”. My advice is simple, build a relationship with the father and stop being bitter, vengeful and trying to punish him through the CSA and you will have a lot more success. I know its not right but too many honest fathers are getting screwed by the CSA and therefore there will be others who will be too clever to be screwed by them and turn the tables.
Pet, I completely endorse what you state, I have paid what I`ve been told to pay, on time for 10 long years and yet they still want more. You work hard, put a lot of time and effort in to get on etc and they just regularly come along and suck up the rewards of your efforts, “should have stayed where you were sucker.” They have to push and push, (Ex wives through greed and a perverse sense of revenge and the CSA who blindly act on their say so and then bludgen the already hardworking, compliant father with the system) My circumstances are about to change and I`m going to take their weapon (i.e the system) turn it around and use it against them and I`m going to milk it for all it`s worth without a hint of guilt. If it was a common sense figure in line with the reality of the actual costs of bringing up a child I would happily pay until the age of 21if need be and I mean it. However, the days of paying a nice fat ‘punishment pension payout’ to an ex wife forces me to act.
i left my home taking a third the going value left all furniture fittings joint account to policys on house agreed with my wife what i would pay up to 16 got divorced with ageement by court.she claimed after my son was 16 she needed more money he was working 16 hours a week at college 12 but still claimed family alowance witch is elegal i told csa but said nothing to do with them so i reported her my self but im in court tommorow for not filling forms in witch i didnt receive
It strickes me that the system doesnt work for either the NRP or the PWC. My situation is tat i have 2 children with another partner and cannot afford to pay what they ask. They do not take into account the welfare of these children when they make the assessment. I live in a 3 bed terraced house, my partner in a four bed detached. I drive a v reg car she drives a BMW X5 that is 2 years old, yet still i have to give her £500 a month. She uses this for about 4 holidays a year while i havent taken any of my children on a holiday in years. How is this fair? As others say i have not missed a payment in 10 years and stuck to the system but get crucified for it. Therefore as of next week i will go self employed so all my children can have a life.
@ … Karen Bedford on May 13th, 2010 8:52 am …………………
Thank you for the clear update on what a bitter and twisted ex can get up to. I see no justification for 20% of my earnings, 20% of any additional work and 20% of any equity / assets I build up. There is a massive divergence between a % take and ambition tax to the fixed overhad children typically cost…no one even considers that wokrking Moms also have a responsibility to contribute equally to the children…especially if they earn circa the same or more than the non resident Dad. Your advise is as good for non resident Dads planning to ‘ manage’ the CSA as it is to bitter Moms who made themselves believe that all that money is actually for the child.
CSA is nothing but a legitimised back street thug with a title of ‘child support’ designed to pull at the ‘heart-strings’ and make it sound implicitly moral. The reality is far from it and with the new proposed changes may even prove a handsome source of income to the government.
after years of suffering a bad marraige and all the affairs she had with other men i lost everthing including my confidence , i am now out of work and claiming jobseekers , the csa has decided that i am living far to extravagantly on my new found wealth and now deducting 5.80 a week .i am having to eat less and have no hope for the future ,how can i afford to get my own place when i get a job as renting in london is so expensive ,the csa is a con and aids the bitter and twisted