CSA after me 10 Years after wife disappeared with another man
I am wanting some advise regarding the CSA.
Myself and my partner have been together for 6 and a half years and we have a 4 year old son together, a mortgage, car the usual family bills & expenses.
Around 18 months ago my partner started receiving letters from the CSA regarding his ex-wife from 10 years previous.
We didnot know who they were contacting him about to start with as she has changed her name since leaving him.
They were married after 3 months of being together and it lasted all of 9 months. in the 8th month of marriage his ex wife gave birth to twins, it was not the most joyous of times for them as a couple as the marriage had already started to crumble when he was told by many of his wifes family members that she had never been faithful during their marriage and was messing about even before they married. she denied all the accusations and and swore nothing had happened, therefore he continued the marriage with her on the understanding he couldnot take notice of ‘gossip’.
However around a month after the children were born he returned home from work to find the babies gone and house emptied and just his wife there.
She made the statement to him that what her family said was true and she had not been faithful, she married him for his money and that the twins were not his children and had decided she wanted to make her family with the other guy.
She walked out and in a way disappeared! He went to her family to find out where she was as he wanted to know if the children belonged to him or not. the ones who had made the allegations against her did not know where she was and the others had been sworn to secrecy.
he was left with all the debts of the home and bills she had ran up.
we have since found out that she changed her name and moved to dorset (from the east midlands)which we beleive she did to stop him finding her and the children.
he did bump into her in town around 2 years after the split and she felt the need to assault his girlfriend of the time, swiftly followed by her breaking into his house causing criminal damage and stealing cash & jewellery. All of this has been dealt with by the police.
since then there has been nothing untill the CSA letters started to fly thru our letterbox.
Once we got over the hurdle of who she was we came to the issue of birth certificates and the CSA reckoning they have one for the each of the children signed by him – he never signed the birth certificates as she had told him the children were someone elses. It has now come to light 18 month later after hours of phone calls made by us that the certificates are indeed not signed by him and his name his on them thru the presentation of the marriage certificate on the date of the births being registered.
He has questioned parentage from day one and requested DNA tests, it has been made very clear by himself and me (when they contact my phone) that if the children are his there will be no issue and they will be paid for and access would also be looked into, however for 10 years she has been happy to say he is not the childrens father and now all of a sudden she has done this? (we have found out that her and the guy she left with have parted).
The first DNA test was denied and has been marked on file as a refusal by us!- when we requested it! myself and my partner had both lost our jobs and therefore all our saved money went on our mortgage and putting food in our sons mouth and running the car round to job interviews. i explained this situation to the CSA and they informed me that the CSA would fund the test and if it came back the children did belong to my partner the cost would be added to calculated maintenance – but then they logged it as a refusal?.
The second test was agreed by the 3rd case worker (we found out we had got thru 3 in that phone call), he looked at the mistakes made by them and approved a second DNA to be done. We were instructed to await the paperwork and if we had not received this in 10 days to call back.
4 days later we had the legal enforcement team at the door, wanting to question my partner under caution with regards to none payment of child maintenance.I expalined to the worker what had been discussed 4 days previous and showed her the letters we had received and the phone records on my phone to prove we had been in contact. She went away and called back a few days later saying she had been into records and a 2nd DNA had been issued and therefore she had sent the first referal back, whilst she was on the phone to me she received a 2nd referal regarding my partner for not being in contact! as she was on the phone to me and had seen all the evidence that we had been in contact she rejected that referal immediately.
The next thing we knew we had a letter to say my partner had been put on default maintenance. When he made a call to the CSA to ask what the hell was going on they told him the case worker has now ben changed and therefore anything the previous one had agreed was void – how would he like to pay?
After a very heated 90 minute argument with the most horrid little pillock on the end of the phone we gave up, it was just running our phone bills up on the 0845 number.
I contacted the enforcement worker who had been able to reject the case as she had found the 2nd DNA on record and she assured us that the DNA was going ahead.
We then received a letter regarding a Section 20 where we have to pay to take his ex wife to court to get a DNA test done.
We again got on the phone to find out the case worker has been changed again. She had the same filthy attitude on the phone until i asked her to read her notes. Once she had she called us back she apologised and said she can understand our frustration with this case but a section 20 is the only way forwards.
We have explained that we need to find the funds to make the application to court and then we will get the wheels in motion.
Not a week has passed and we have received a phone call wanting bank and wage details and warning of a DOE request going to my partners work. when asked what for she replied, you owe back dated maintenance. The argument ensued on how he can owe maintenance when we dont know if the children are his yet, it then came about that she had no record of our 4 year old son (who we have explained about several times)and that would change the calculation again!
Since his ex has found out my partner is persuing the paternity issue to court we have received noting but threats and abuse, vile things being said about my own and our sons wished for deaths (what happened between her and my partner happened 4 years before i came on the scene) when you tell the CSA they are throwing fuel on her fire they just say that what she says and does is nothing to do with them
We have had to have the police involved the weekend just passed as she has approached a family member of my partner and informed them she is back living in our area again and continued harrasing us.
Is there anything we can do regarding the CSA and the mistakes they have made, and can they actually charge back dated child maintenance when its unknown if he is the father yet?
His ex has also sent messages regarding my partner signing over all parental responsibilty to her and allowing her to change their names from his. we have never responded to any abuse or massages but when we have discussed this with others they have stated there is currently nothing signed by my partner stating he has responsibility and therefore if he signed any such document it would be admitting liability?
I have spoken to the case worker again today and asked what we can do if the money they take puts our home that our child lives in in jepordy as we will not be able to afford the mortgage with what they have worked out to deduct. All she said is ‘child maintenance comes before your mortgage!’ so shes happy to take our sons roof from over his head and food out of his mouth to give to children that we are yet known as my partners whose mother receives everything on benefits and caused this whole mess 10 years ago and has just appeared out of the blue – how is this fair?
Is there any time limit on when you can make a claim? why has it never been asked of her why she waited 10 years and why she told him the children were not his and why if they are his has she never allowed him the oppourtunity to be a father and make his own arrangement regarding payments and access to them?
Please does anyone have any advise? myself and my partner are absolutely worn out with this and its begining to affect our homelife, we are very worried for our home and how this is going to affect our sons upbringing.
Many thanks in advance.
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Hi there unfortunately your not the only one who goes through hell with these people.You can request a case file for £10 think you can get it through DPU i’m sure someone on here can help you there.Go see your local mp and tell them your situation they can usually get some results and speed up this dna issue.
Hi. My partner has lso been harrased vehmenently by this farce agency and had to sell his home because of the errors they made. He has paid them thousends for his children and eventually lost his job because of stress and eqully couldn’t afford to work. We will continue fighting thiese peple but be prepared… They lie, sceme , lose what you send them and totally disregard anything you say. Get your MP involved and keep every piece of paper or correspndence you send or receive from them. I have also written to the prime minister and will keep doing so until something is done about these animals. I am now considering writing to Dominic Littlewood of the television Documentaries… WHATEVER IT TAKES !!!!! Good luck. 🙂
What a situation you are in! Firstly if your husband has never previously been contacted they can only charge maintenance from the date he was notified. They can’t backdate 10 years to when they were born.
Normal law goes out the window with the CSA. Normally you don’t pay a debt until it has been proven but the CSA just steal your money anyway! They will put DEO on salary so they may take up to 40% of his salary.
I though if he is disputing paternity then there should not be an assessment in place. Hoepfully that will be sorted soon.
Write to the DPU Unit at CSA (they are based in Newcastle). They will give you a full print of your file. It costs £10 and the errors you will probably find is nothing short of shocking. They only accept payment by postal order or when you write to them they will then phone you back for debit/credit card details. It takes 40 working days for them to deliver the file to you which is posted signed for mail. If you don’t get it within 40 days lodge a complaint with the Information Commissioners Office. Get your MP involved aswell and do not contact them by phone, best to have everything in writing so that way the CSA cannot go back on what you have been told.
They don’t give a s*** about your financial situation. We are the same and almost separating now because of it. I was told yesterday that my income is taken into account when arrears are involved. I totally lost the plot with the idiot on the other end of the phone as it’s not my debt but my partners but it seems to the CSA that I have to keep my partner and 2 kids because of their incompetence. They can’t seem to comprehend the horrendous hell they put 2nd families through.
Keep fighting them and stay as strong as you can. You will get loads of advice on here as we are all in the same boat unfortunately.
Elaine I totally agree something has to be done about this Agency and if only the press would take on the complaints it would make life so much easier for everyone involved. CSA2 is just as bad as the 1st system they had in place. Next we’ve got the hell of the next system. The errors and fraud on our file is shocking – one example they sent mail to our current address we moved to September last year but it was dated February 2009, March 2010 and August 2011!! We did not have any connection whatsoever to the house before moving in. Very strange the CSA had a crystal ball to know we would move there 2 years after their letter!!
If the pwc is also denying a DNA test the csa legislation says the case is closed, do you know if this is also the case? I have friends where DNA says he’s not the father, yet csa still taking his wages…..no one wants to listen to how bad these cretins really are, in our case they even stall the mp, surely that says something??
This complete and utter shambles will attempt to criminalise you on the basis that you may be a parent. At the moment they are acting on supposition, as it is not known if you are or aren’t the biological father of the children.
I would write to the Chief Executive of the CSA and warn them that if they are acting unlawfully, you will be seeking legal advice in order to sue them.
Ask your M.P. to refer your case to the Parliamentary Ombudsman on the basis of maladministration, as the CSA are acting without full knowledge OR facts relating to any case they may have against you. They may be acting illegally!
Somebody, somewhere has to do something about this not fit for purpose shambles, that seeks to criminalise and destroy parents lives all on the basis that the secretary of state is supposed to be owed money. It is in fact a scam, being run by incompetent oafs, who couldn’t run a pi– up in a brewery!
Firstly, the DNA needs to be done has a matter of urgency, this will then determine the way forward on this case. The apparent thing with this story is the ex is obsessed with you ! hell bent on causing you distress and non-compliance with the CSA.
Speak to Gloria Del Piero (MP) raise the profile of the case, and the CSA must acknowledge the birth of your son also, has this will affect any calculation. Im no expert, but cannot see how they can deduct money without a positive paternity test ?.
Good Luck
Yes good luck Karla. Really hope this mess gets sorted out for you and your husband asap. Please update with how you get on.
So sorry to hear what you’re going through.
Firstly do not deal with these people by phone. All contact is best to be done via letter, sent recorded delivery.
Secondly I strongly advise you to get in touch with you MP as a matter of urgency. My husband is going through a similar situation to your partner right now and our MP has been brilliant, he has been able to get more information from these people than my husband has.
Have you lodged a complaint with the CSA yet about the constant changes in goal posts. It might also be worth sending a strongly worded letter to the CEO along with copies of any evidence you have to support your complaint. Again recorded delivery any contact and you keep the hard copies.
NOEL SHANAHAN
(Commissioner and Chief Executive)
Child Maintenance and Enforcement Commission
PO Box 239
Holbeck
Leeds
LS11 1EB
Keep strong, keep communicating with your partner, it’s a stressful time and he needs you. This woman sounds like a real piece of work, if the threats and harrassment continue get in touch with the police for further advice. You do not deserve to live in fear.
Keep us posted on your progress. x
My heart goes out to you..I am in more or less the same situation.Never been allowed to see the child,not on the birth certificate(she refused) first he was mine then he wasn’t then he was,and yes i did offer to help support the child…utter nightmare.She told me to stay away in the end,so i did as i was on the verge of a breakdown in the end.I later met a lovely lady who i married.Then the CSA hell started,she was very understanding bless her heart.I asked for a DNA test which she refused and months later recieved a letter saying the case was closed and she wouldn’t proceed.With this behind us we starting to look into adoption or fostering as we married at an older age and my wife would make a fabulous mum…two and a half years on..bang..CSA letter She has filed for a claim again! Our life has been turned upside down again,i can’t believe she can just open and close cases willy nilly when ever she feels like it.These are peoples lives that these people are playing with,she refused a DNA test the first time round with no explanation from the CSA…and no explanation why she has changed her mind..
So now any plans of fostering or adoption are impossible with this hanging over us.