Almost two decades is too long to wait for CSA
I am writing with regard to my claim with the Child Support Agency. I have 19 year old twins and have raised them without any help from their father yet he is lying by telling the CSA he has had shared care.
He has never had the children overnight and in fact there was a court order in place allowing him only one night a week overnight stays.
I have had a claim in place with the CSA since they were 5 months old (approx) as I split with their father when I was 5 months pregnant. I have in all that time received only 6 monthly payments (approx) Yet in January this year was informed (yet again) that a new assessment had been made to collect the arrears due to me.
I was never on a means tested benefit while the children were growing up so all of the money due is due to myself. He was told to start paying £600 a month and the first payment to be made on 28th Feb 2015 for this arrears. I have even offered to half the monthly payment and spread the arrears over a longer time to make things easier for him.
I had a call from the CSA today (returning my call from last week, I call them monthly at least) to be told he is once again denying owing this money even though the CSA admit they have looked into this many times and he does owe this money. The CSA rep also said that they can’t find where he is working so can’t make an attachment of earning order. I find this hard to believe as I was informed on numerous occasions that they can in fact use the Inland Revenue (amongst other searches) to find this information.
I firmly believe that 19 years is far too long to have waited and have been so patient yet to no avail.
I have no alternative than to write to you for help.
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Surely it would be a better feeling to know you have done it all by yourself and should be proud, your kids will also know the truth and that’s all that matters. The money owed if any is not yours it’s your children’s and if they’re 19 now what’s the point in chasing and getting old money. Are you going to pass the money on to the kids if you receive any? Don’t twist your life with the bent and corrupt tossers at CSA just move on and be proud of doing it by yourself!
Even if csa did get it for you a majority of that amount will go to the Secretary of state. So you would just be making them richer. Maintenance should be paid agreed on that but csa is not the way to go I’m afraid. They just make things worse for both parties and the kids.
You are quite wrong. Having paid for her children herself without financial support she is entitled to the arrears he has accrued. How she then spends it is entirely at her discretion but be under no illusion unlike her ex partner I’m pretty sure her now 19 year old sons will benefit. But please consider this, that in order to get her children to this age most of her income will have been spent doing so. This in turn means that her savings (if she’s lucky to be able to save) will be far less than they would have been. Her pension (if she’s been in a position to pay into one) will also be far less than it would have been had he supported his children. I also assume that they are still living with her. This is a continuing cost which she probably also foots. Let’s assume (as is my position ) that she’s been unable to save or put anything into a pension? Do you also feel that her 19 year old sons should now or at sometime in the future be forced into poverty to look after their mother? Yes it’s wonderful that she and many others have done it on their own but no decent man with any integrity would absolve themselves from responsibility whether it’s 1 year or 20 years ago. She’s still paying and he’s clearly trying to avoid doing so. He’s not a man!
No I am not wrong I just have a different opinion to you on the matter. I am the pwc for my son and would I get the CSA on my ex? Not in a million years, they are bent corrupt and fraudulent bunch of parasites who actively encourage pwc to withhold access to NRP as they are then entitled to more money. They do not consider for a second nor care that they are putting children into poverty if the nrp has other children and struggle after paying a ridiculous income based maintenance, a child costs what a child costs so what the ex earns should not matter two hoots.
The one or two nights a month my son sees his mum she pays for him, the rest of the month I pay for him. Yes he obviously costs me more each month but I get the honour and privilege of seeing him everyday which is priceless, I know his mum would love to see him every day and misses him when she doesn’t so why the hell would I twist the knife even more and make her life a nightmare? I also receive child benefit which covers after school clubs etc! With my new wife I have a step daughter who doesn’t see her father at all as he isn’t interested, why would we want his money? Again we have the pleasure of seeing her every day growing up etc and it’s our duty to pay and provide when under our roof, why would I want his money? The kids will know when they are older and that’s worth more than any savings account or pension fund in my opinion!
That has nothing to do with your comment about whether or not she should pursue her claim? They are separate issue entirely. you comment refers to her ”done it on her own’ and ‘the money if any is not yours’ -Those comments have nothing to do with the CSA- The facts are that she is entitled to claim and receive money that she has single handely provided. at the moment because peoples situations are are unique no one has actually put a ‘class action’ together against the CSA. Since you appear to have no experience with the department as you claim you would not get them involved, I fail to see how you can have an opinion?
Well said Gregory rhymes and you are soooo right about this vile blood sucking parasite the csa and a vast amount of ex’s that use it to bleed the nrp for all they can get without any thought for the kids.
The kids are cash cows, the nrp is the ATM machine.
@ Jackie brook. If this author of this post had been a man? Would you still have sympathy ? There’s a moral issue as far as my case is concerned and I bloody well stick by it. I was a good husband and father and provided for my family, my daughter and my ex’s daughter from a previous relationship. I raised her from the age of 18 months old and later my own daughter. My step daughter’s father never helped out a single penny but for his daughters sake, I allowed him into my house at every occasion inc Xmas,birthdays etc. I let him drink my wine and eat at our table, he never even used to bring a can of beer but hey!
My ex then walks out and takes my 3 yr old with her announcing she has been cyberwhoring with some German and met up in Bath for a dirty wk end whilst I was baby sitting the kids. She wanted nothing from any more…her words, wanted him and wanted him to raise my daughter and play daddy to her. Wanted nothing from me ACCEPT my money lol….so she fucks off taking my daughter with her and expects me to pay for the privilege, all wrong as far as I’m concerned, my daughter lives with her and him…NOT me and therefore they should be taking care of her day to day needs, NOT me, their choice NOT mine, so get on with it. no it don’t work like that, oh and she hasn’t put a claim in for her other daughters father, the one whom I raised from 18 months old. She works full time and so does her partner and all I do is top up their monthly income instead of me putting it aside for my daughters future or spending it directly on her when I see her, can’t do that because I’m forced to hand over the cash to her and him to piss up the wall as they see fit.
Not 1 penny of the 40+ grand I will have payed that woman by the time my daughter reaches her 20th, will have been put away for her future. That makes my blood boil and the hatred fester for that woman and the csa. The csa don’t give a fuck about the kids. Only targets and how many dads…….and some mums, they can nail.
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How do I have no experience? You have no idea, I have been dealing with the CSA for 7 years as my daughter only stays with me 3 nights a week even though her brother stays with me full time. My ex has a claim against me of £70 a week (which is ending in October) and the whole time the parasites have phoned me averaging at least once a week asking me to counter claim against her for my son. I have told them many times I’ll never do this and to not contact me by phone yet they totally ignore this. When in the early days my son was also with the ex I was on the receiving end of the corruption and lies that this FIFA equivalent of an organisation represent and they couldn’t care less if I could afford to provide for them the 3 nights a week I had them or for my step daughter as in their words it’s not their issue. All they care about is bringing in revenue as they are paid an annual bonus based on what they pull in, hence encouraging me to counter claim and all this is available from FOI if you don’t believe me. Very often the money doesn’t go to the kids anyway which is why certain states in America are scrapping the system as they have been researching for a while and in the state mayors words is sick of nrp living in poverty to pay for the ex to have their hair and nails done. Trust me if you’d ever been on the other side of the CSA you wouldn’t unleash them on your worst enemy. All I’m trying to say to the lady is don’t let them screw her up with their fake lies and promises as she will most likely end up with nothing. The money is meant for whilst the kids are growing up which they now have without his help so just feel proud of doing it by herself and her kids will know the truth, life’s too short to be bitter and chasing after money. However I’m sure you’ll know better.
I’m completely confused, the system in the UK is without doubt a failure-The government know that, which is why the whole system has changed and the ‘body’ has been renamed. It’s now moving over to Child Maintenance Service. If you look at this whole thread it is me who started it. I’ve been on both sides of this. I’ve seen how people have been forced to pay more, who had never failed to pay and I’ve also seen NRP’s run rings round the organisation- The facts are that by bringing up children who should be supported by both parents will also leave the parent that pays in a far poorer situation than they would have been if they had been supported. If that later means the children have to pay and look after their elderly parent (in the future) they are subsequently being forced into a poorer situation. Is that righ? Is that fair? and above all if it can be proven that the NRP could afford and delivberately lied to avoid paying or supporting, is that legal?
The cms is really and truly same shite in a different wrapper, the whole system needs abolishing. If the government feels that an adult over 25 can live off JSA of £73.10 a week why are so many nrp’s forced to pay more than this for a child who costs less than an adult. Let’s say for arguments sake a child costs 75% of what an adult does that means by the governments reckoning a child costs £54.83 a week, then take off CB at £20.70 a week, this leaves a child’s cost at £34.13 (by governments calculations). It is only right that both parents shout take the remaining cost at 50/50 so a split of £17.07 or £2.44 a day each. The cost split should then be paid on how many extra nights the nrp has them, eg if the pwc has them 5 nights and the nrp 2 nights a week there’s a difference of 3 nights so the nrp should pay £7.32 a week, I’ll use my case as an example – my ex has my daughter 4 nights a week and I have her 3, this is only 1 night a week extra, I am charged £70 a week for this one extra night and then also expected to fully provide the entire 3 nights at my house, this basically means that if I’m to pay £70 a week for one less night the CSA are saying my daughter costs £490 a week +CB to raise which we all know isn’t true! They say it’s to pay for heating and rent etc both of which would need to be paid regardless of the presence of a child but what then about my heating and rent in my house or am I expected to pay the costs of 2 houses? I guess what I’m saying is these people you describe as not being a man would probably happily pay if it were a fair system, why shouldn’t they be allowed to live purely because a marriage has broken down and they also have the heartache of not being able to watch their children develop on a daily basis? A child costs what a child costs regardless of whether I earn 100k a year or 10k and there should be a set affordable rate. There should also be nothing to pay if the pwc blocks access as too many are using the children as a cash cow and it’s only the kids who miss out on the love and memories of 2 parents. If they aren’t a good enough human to see their children their money shouldn’t be good enough either ( I know there’s certain cases this can’t be applied with violence etc but in most it can ). Hope this makes sense, I’m not here to argue or fall out I just know a lot of pwc have no idea how hideous and calculated the CSA are and how they lie and play exes off against each other to justify their existence!
Hi Gregory completely agree that there are many, many people who have been driven to desperate measures because the CSA have just worked from a script rather than looking at an individual’s circumstances. I absolutely agree that the CSA and any similar body is totally useless and pretty toothless because (as in my experience) they also fail to make people pay who deliberately avoid paying. Just so you know i have never used my children against my exhusband. He has been free to see them when ever he has wished to do so. He failed to pay a penny for 6 years and then paid £5 a week for 6 years. He claimed he had no money and subsequently went self employed in order to avoid paying anything. In that time he and his new partner who worked part time acquired a large property (so they now have 2 houses that I know of) and a mortgage of £180K….to add insult to injury he rarely saw his sons, by his own choice. He repeatedly lied to the CSA and they failed to make any investigation even though i supplied them with enough information to bring him to the table. How can it be right or fair that in order to put food on the table and a roof over my sons heads that I now have no pension and live in a rented house which I have struggled to pay but he is now enjoying luxury trips abroad and has also managed to convince my eldest that I prevented him from seeing him-something I despise other parents from doing and would never ever do, so much so that when he has chosen to see them it’s been me who’s driven them to his house! We all have bad stories and they are all equally disgracefully increased by this organisations total lack of empathy towards resident parents and none resident parents who have suffered enough. The lady that started this actual conversation is desperate and I know how she feels. If I had, had the freedom to pursue my career I would be on a 60k salary by now-I gave up hope of that because I didn’t want my boys to suffer or feel any more abandoned than he allowed them to feel and I still feel the need to be there for them. all I’d like now is a repayment from him to balance out the losses I’ve cheerfully endured and compansation from the CSA for their total incompetance and ‘unfit for purpose’ decisions which have wrecked my health. 🙂
PlI might be able to help ease contact me at jackiebrook@careindustrynews.co.uk,