17 years of hell with the CSA

39 thoughts on “17 years of hell with the CSA”

1. Hi Helen,

   It’s difficult to give accurate advice, without more information.

   If the agency have your ex’s NI number etc, they can trace him.

   Has your ex made any CSA payments during the case?
   Have you regularly kept in touch with the agency throughout?
   Is the CS calculation a penalty assessment OR a proper assessment?
   Have the agency taken any enforcement measures over the period?
   Have you claimed benefits at any time during the case?

   chall ~ afairercsaforall.co.uk

2. Yip well and truly Stuffed ?

3. what aself centred selfish person,i feel for you and am thinking of u but no advise sorry 🙁 x

4. And justice for all.

5. blimey……and they put a charging order on my home for £2300 for arrears,even though i don't pay for my child no more!!!.

6. Your lads 22 and you're still chasing arrears? Have i got that right? So if you did get the money would you be giving it all to your son?

7. they have just reassessed me from an IMA to actual assessment and guess what ?? Same amount !!! whats chances of that ? Fucking idiots.

8. Ye i wld still be chasing for money ure son is quite clearly entitled to.

9. The Csa was NOT set up to provide money for children. It WAS set up specifically to DEPRIVE children of their fathers's money. Hence it's real name is the Child Deprivation and Abuse Agency! It has, and never will have, any intention of taking money for the purpose of child support. It's sole agenda is to keep a bunch of Child Abusers and Killers in jobs where they get paid bonuses based on how much the pretend they can collect. That's right, all those false assessments that have been running for years etc. Even the National Audit Commission agrees that their figures are completely fictitious and refuses to sign off their books. Don't even pretend that you are going to receive anything from them, you NEVER will! But then, as anyone who has been through a divorce will know, solicitors are the biggest bunch of crooks the country has ever seen, or is it now the bankers?!?!

10. Entitled??? I didn't realise that child support was an entitlement!

11. It was set up to give a lot of civil servants a jobs. Does anyone have their figures. i.e wages versus money accrued. I was so annoyed when they gave themselves a £25 million pound bonus a couple of years ago. Why can't we get Panorama to do a report on their ways. It got rid of the world cup maybe it could get rid of the CSA. Resident and non residents suffer. Children miss out on a strong father who is continuously hounded, often made to feel like a criminal. Wages stolen from salaries direct in some cases. Non residents are forced too survive often living in shared houses not giving the right enviroment to have their children. Which affects the childs perception of how a father can be. This coalition government should have a strong look at this department. We suffer in silence like islands. Message me your e-mail and I will send you a petition to sign.

12. That's my point! The money should've been paid to the Mother at the time and it's wrong it wasn't but i really doubt that she's gonna give her son the £15,000 if she got it more like she'd buy a car go on holiday etc. She's still chasing through greed as it easy money, if i was in her position and knew how much the CSA are intent on destroying a NRP even years after the child has become an adult and will get the money anyone would do the same but it does need to be said that her motivation now is pure greed

13. notatcreamfields@hotmail.co.uk get it sent to me Troy lad

14. Obviously more men having a problem with women having their say. The woman has quite clearly brought her son up with no financial help from his father and now she's being branded as money hungry.Yes her son is entitled to money he never received. Yes their are men out there that do the right thing and provide for their children emotionally, financially and well done to them all respect to them but there are also men out there who couldnt give a damn. So women should just let them get on with their lives, shirking their responsibilities along the way? Were not all in it for money.

15. I have no problem with any woman having their say, I would probably agree with most of what you write but use of the word entitlement is not one I agree with! Both parents have a duty to look after the needs of their children in all the ways they can.

16. Thts your opinion and thats fair enough. I respect that. To often the parent with care is blasted on this site for trying to do the right thing for their children and it gets ugly and unfair. It doesnt make a blind bit of difference what the pwc intends doing with the money (if they get it) its their business. Were all labelled as being money hungry evil bitches and in alot of the cases its untrue. I couldnt give a damn what my sons father does with his life but I dont see why he should be allowed to walk away scot free. He helped make him he should do the right thing. While his father is enjoying new cars, holidays abroad etc (i havent managed a holiday for a long time) im struggling to help my son through uni. Am I bitter,maybe a little not for me but for my son. I know my son wont receive a penny but like I said its not all about that. Im proud of myself for doing it on my own but im more proud of my son for becoming the amazing intelligent young man he has become.

17. My point is proven. Having a say then getting a dig.

18. I clearly stated my son is in uni so doubt id be keeping the money for myself.

19. Hi Helen, I would say the same as Chall above, Get the Criminal Compliance Unit and ICE involved too.

20. Jane…couldn't have put it better myself excellently put!

21. Thanks Lisa.

22. HI Chall and KAren,

    My case has been through enforcement out the otherside and back again, there has been a suspended sentance on the non resident parent, liability orders, bailiffs the lot I phone about once every month gave oup on once a week cause i just kept getting angry.

    Ex has hidden all his money with his third wife and to be honest i think i have lost this.

23. If i had my kids living with me full time i'd be made up to see every mile stone like first words, first steps etc. If i was a single parent i'd manage on my own through workin tax credits, child benefits etc. I'd pay all the money in the world for that and it seems PWC like the woman above don't realise how lucky they are and instead let greed and hatred for thier ex to spoil the time they've got with thier children. Whilst the Government will make sure PWC have always got money it's a totally different story for NRP and i know this first hand. After i'd paid my essential bills like utilities, rent, council tax and the CSA i was left with £14 per week to get to work and feed myself. I personally wouldn't be comfortable leaving an ex partner with that and wouldn't go through the CSA. This woman states her son is 21 and she's owed £15k from his Father, the child is now an adult and i'm sure she wouldn't give the money to him. She should realise how lucky she is to have brought up her son instead of allowing her selfish greed to take over, GET A GRIP WOMAN i'd love to be a PWC and recieve nothing off the CSA if i didn't have enough money i'd do what everyone else does and get a job instead of leechin of someone else. Some PWC need to get some self respect instead of sitting on benefits living the life of Reilly with thier kids money!

24. And it happens, however! there are several PWC's who choose to take opinions made by NRP's as personal attacks upon themselves… as evident in several posts where I recieve comments from PWC's who have taken offence to my comments directed towards selfish greedy arrogant PWC's… Of which the result is… I am accused of generalising all PWC's… Rude, obnoxious… but hey… I might even be accused of having a rant right now…. anyway!there are also just as many unreasonable PWC's who do intend using the NRP's child donations for their selfish desires of retail therapy being satisfied!!!!There are many NRP's and children suffering the lack of benefit from those monies… the biggest benefit to the NRP in this case is: being able to take the child shopping for clothes and footwear and being able/entitled to make direct provisions financially and emotionally to the child with inclusion of shared care… where we the NRP are not prepared to complain about financing the provision of all household amenities…. clearly unlike several PWC that have commented on this Forum….. the expecting of NRP to fund their household amenities with inclusion of NRP covering costs of transport for the PWC to get to her place of employment…..Again we await PWC rantings about our rants!!!!!!!

25. Well it pretty obvious that the person who wrote this to start off with is motivated by greed obviously cause she managed to bring her son up who's now an adult with no support from the Father (even though in a way he did through the ridiculous amounts of taxation each of us experiences in this country) which she should be made up with, for the record i believe every Father should pay to support thier children like i've always done but not to the level where the PWC can't even enjoy a basic standard of life like 3 meals a day and be able to afford to see thier children. From the sound of it the Father wasn't involved in any way at all which is his loss. Like i said earlier if i was a PWC i'd enjoy watching my children grow up and be priviledged to do this, i certainly wouldn't become bitter, twisted and greedy and get the CSA involved to ruin my exs life cause i'm not being funny but every PWC knows that the CSA will leave thier childrens Father or mother with no money at all sometimes drive them to the point of suicide. Now the boy is an adult she's still lettin her greed show through by trying to get money that she didn't need to bring her son up. Any PWC that gets thier back up about what i've wrote maybe they should think about thier own actions, thoughts and feelings cause if they are so bothered by it maybe they're just another greedy bitter PWC that instead of being gratefull for having a child wants to destroy another human beings life that maybe they loved at one time. I've got morals and would never ever go to the CSA if i was the PWC

26. I have no intention of ranting were all entitled to an opinion and you have had yours. Nice how you have quite obviously come up with your own opinion of us with barely any facts concerning our circumstances. Retail therapy,get a grip. My money goes on my children.

27. Yes Jane, but clearly there are those that will use such financial provisions on retail therapy…. that does not mean the comment is directed to all PWC's, just the greedy selfish arrogant PWC's..An opinion based upon fact rather than presumption may I also comment!!!!! Reality… clearly there are PWC's who need to get a grasp onto this issue of reality…It has never cost me the fictitious amounts claimed by PWC's it costs to raise a child…. Maybe a budgeting problem is the PWC's selfconcern if such amounts are used as provisions for the child, but oddly enough… I aint a PWC who is likely to complain about household amenity costs or transportation costs while during shared care arrangements he uses such amenities!!!Oooops rant rant, am I ranting again??????

28. Get over your rant thing,it doesnt have to be said. I am sole pwc my children do not nor have they ever spent nights with the nrp or have clothes etc put their way. Its never been offered nor have I hounded for it. I said I was bitter about the way my children are treated but that does not mean I have used the csa as a way of getting back. My children (the youngest being 7) have not received any money from the csa or nrp so the financial gain thing that keeps getting thrown about is rubbish. I can assure that I cant do the retail therapy thing and would love to know how its possible because I sure as hell cant do it on what I have to live on a week. Money I just manage to get by on I may add.

29. Excellently put Jane!!!

30. Thanx again.x

31. jane… I suggest a budgeting plan be set effectively then… I manage to run a car on my benefits to collect my son for shared care arrangements every weekend and school Holidays, provide for my child with clothing and footwear. general household amenities etc… what is it you are doing wrong in your budgeting crisis?????You also comment that you do not use CSA yet you comment about how in affective they have been to collect/send payments.. how could you comment if not using CSA to collect your tax free addition income which you clain you are ENTITLED!!!!!!?????????????Ooooops! am I ranting again???????

32. CSA is the governments draconian legalized theft by use of reproduction tax collection agency!!!Should be renamed… RTCA!!!!

33. I didnt say i hadnt used the csa i said i hadnt used them as a way of getting back at nrp.Budgeting plan……Do you know anything about my financial situation? I think not.. Well done you on managing to budget but without going into my personal finances my situation does not make it that easy.Ive been civil to you and pretty sure i havent made a fool of you so would appreciate it if you showed me the same courtesy.

34. Jane, I'm on benefits… I suspect you are either working or on benefits… again…. It clearly is an issue of money… the word money is clearly included in your comments!!!!My finances clearly being on benefits is not easy… yet I have no financial help to provide for my child yet I do it no matter the difficulties that arise… I am an NRP…. When I did work… I paid my reproduction tax to the Reproduction Tax Collections Agency…. incorrectly named as….the CSA…My son does not believe he benefited from such payments yet benefits from my making provisions and by use of budgeting effectively.. My Car is on HP, I have to pay for tax, fuel, and insure it from my benefits, I also have to feed myself, gas, electric,water has to be paid for….. clothing for myself and my child razors and hygeine are also included in costs… washing clothes…..All on benefits may I comment!!!The fact is, it appears you are not budgeting correctly in order to reduce financial difficulties!!! A spendthrift attitude will not work your budget effectively or efficiently!!!!I never said you were using CSA to get back at NRP… there are many PWC's who do… they being the unreasonable PWC motivated by arrogant selfish greed!!!!I comment in respect to your budgeting skills that you need to rely on this additional tax free income by help of CSA… I would not guarantee that you will recieve such monies!!!! not even the CSA will… I would consider more that your child benefits from your support rather than on the possible finances which you feel you need!!!So long as you are comfortable in living… thats what matters… move on with ya life and stop thinking about things that you cannot control… and I mean cannot control because evidently you have not had control over NRP making financial contribution…The CSA currently deprives the NRP of making contributions to the child directly, and the CSA cannot guarantee that they will be able to recover your reproduction tax from the NRP!!… Move on….Evidently… NRP's have had suffering by incorrect calculations with arrears being manifested with ridiculous amounts being assessed by CSA's attempted theft and fraud and in many cases have been successful in making recoveries to the emotional and financial costs to NRP and child…..PWC's request CSA to do this….. Clearly you never mad3e a compromise with your NRP… but if he isnt going to provide, accept the loss… there is more to life than money….. your kids should be your life, not the constant worrying over whether your NRP will pay or not……The government is motivated by greed and there are many PWC's who are of the same mind…. I never think of the costs, I just budget accordingly in order to make provisions for my child with inclusion of shared care…Do you allow shared care with your NRP??? If not… why not?

35. Bet no PWC would want to exchange financial situations with NRP as they would become as worse off financially and emotionally… but PWC's think the NRP should suffer financially and emotionally!!????

36. I know there will be no payments from the csa coming my kids way and have phoned the csa to tell them not to waste their paper when they have sent me letters to state I would. Unlike some pwc I am not naive I know it wont happen. It was not an amicable split with nrp. I was offered payments but refused as I know he has another child who he misses payments for all the time. I wasnt willing to take the chance. I now know I made the right decision.As I stated before you know nothing about my financial situation so giving me a break down of yours is not needed. Rest assured my money goes on my kids. Im quite happy 2 go without as long their ok. Yes money from the nrp would make a big difference but what I havent had I cant miss. I know the csa in most cases does not work but if a pwc wants to go that route then that is entirely up to them. Im not gona rip people apart for making that choice. As for malicious pwc well that can be left to karma their of know interest to me. As for pwc swapping places with the nrp…well my ex seems to be doing just grand. The csa have never been a problem to him. Obviously other men havent been as lucky as him and thats sad, i dont agree with what happens. The option was there for nrp to be involved and other things where more important. A child sitting waiting for over 5 hrs,more than once I may add for their father to turn up was not a habit I wanted to carry on. I have a clear conscience, I tried he failed.

37. Fair point

38. Still… I clearly have a problem with unreasonable PWC's… as I have 2 unreasonable PWC's to contend with plus CSA

39. And that's understandable. Thankfully were not all like tht.