Why isn’t the CSA supportive to Fathers who are suffering too due to their partners greed?

March 22, 2013

My Brothers partner ran off to Spain with their two children seven years ago; she gave no reason – my brother found out that she was in debt, left him in debt as she didn’t pay the bills, and ran up bills on credit cards pretending she was married to him and used his surname. It took a lot of stress and money borrowed from family members to gett he children back in the country and to stay here! She ran off with someone thinking they had money bit he hasn’t.

She contacted the CSA wanting money from him even though she knew the situation she left him in and he has always said he would never pay them but what the children needed to let him know or give him the receipts and he will reimburse her thst way but she wouldn’t.

The CSA have been continually ringing and harrassing my brother for money and threatening legal action and some have been very rude! To cap it all, the CSA sent people around to my Brothers place of work last Friday and demanded £1000 from the wage department and were again outright rude; they said they will be back for more….now my brother won’t have anything to live off and to pay his bills etc – he is struggling as it is….The CSA don’t give a damn about a person’s situation – it is no wonder that people commit suicide because of them and women being so greedy like her! It went through the Courts in a Court order that she is supposed to bring the children half way for him to collect them every second weekend but she doesn’t even stick to the rules of the children visiting every second weekend.

Why is it that Fathers don’t have any rights or anyone to back them in these situations??

Is there anything he can do please? I am worried for him….

Comments

  • Gonk says:

    Alice on March 24th, 2013 4:10 pm
    and as I have repeatedly stated the issue is between the NRP and the PWC – it is not the CSA’s place to report the matter, this is the decision of the NRP as they would be the one who was defrauded

    HOW SOOO WONDERFULLY CONVENIENT FOR THE CSA ALICE
    THE WOOLS PULLED OVER THE NRP’s EYES AND THE CSA GO ON MERRILY ROBBING HIM BECAUSE THEY CAN AND THEY DON’T HAVE TO REPORT OR INVESTIGATE POSS FRAUD.AND LOL…EVEN IF THE NRP DID REPORT IT…THE BASTARD CSA WOULDN’T BELIEVE HIM AND STILL CARRY ON ROBBING HIM SIMPLY SAYING “THE PWC IS CLAIMING BENEFITS THEREFORE WE CAN TAKE IT FROM YOU”………oh yes very convenient lovely little set up GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
    Gonk
    Gonk

  • Gonk says:

    It’s very scary and worrying to know that a pwc can commit benefit fraud and with full indirect backing by the CSA by way of Alice’s replies.
    And yes, as Stuart says…if a Nrp was to accrue ghost arreas or arreas because he/she didn’t inform the CSA of a change of circumstances ,then the CSA would come down on you like a ton of bricks…and who says the CSA is not fair or biased…PMSL
    Gonk

  • Gonk says:

    Alice on March 24th, 2013 1:37 pm
    it is the NRP’s choice as to whether they wish to take action against the PWC.
    As previously stated the clients – ie NRP and PWC are obliged to report all changes of circumstances to the agency, if the agency are not informed of any changes they will not re-assess cases.

    There’s that old favourite word of yours being put to good use again Alice..”choice”
    Just like its a NRP’s choice that takes him far away from home to his place of work.
    Just like its the nrps choice that he got married and spent money on the honeymoon for his new bride…lol
    Gonk

  • lisa says:

    @ Gonk,

    Well said its about time somebody put the troll in her place

  • lisa says:

    @ Gonk

    Just a quick question, How many other CSA staff have actually taken money for there own financial gain, these people put in a position of trust and they cant be trusted, disgraceful

  • gonk says:

    Thank you Lisa
    but not for putting her in her place,no one can ever do that,but I do like slatting her as any other that works for this filth and quite obviously supports its actions.

    heres another laughable comment from her…

    Alice on March 22nd, 2013 9:52 pm

    Stuart – the CSA cannot report alleged fraud on credit cards, CHB, JSA or tax evasion – apart from the fact that this is not within their remit, which is, as the name suggests to secure financial support for children who have a parent who does not live with them – they would not have the relevant details to pass on to any of the relevant authorities.

    Alice..read what Stuart said…none of us are that stupid….he knows you dont investigate credit card fraud…thats not what he bloody asked you..typical non comitting answer from you.And the last part of your reply beggars believe..lol…”financial support for the children” WTF are you talking about on that one pmsl…
    gonk

  • lisa says:

    @ Gonk

    You know why they don’t bother reporting this don’t you, to cover up the mistakes hat have been made, if it was reported then the parent would probably find that the csa had taken much more and given them a pittance, all makes sense now, they are the biggest shower of shite ever,

  • stuart says:

    Alice is having a night off to try and google a response. sad sad woman.

  • lisa says:

    Alice needs to sort herself out and start giving facts to both sides, these are the sort of questions the csa employees are suppost to answer honestly over the phone all calls in and out of the call centre are recorded, those recordings can be asked for as I know, just goes to show by the csa lying they get what they want, yet another family destroyed just for the measly sum of a few quid, its ok they go home at night not caring for the people they have taken the piss out of, though as we are normal people and have to live this everyday its ok,

  • gonk says:

    Alice…will come back with a pathetic reply to all of our gripes as she might coin them? but then hey…we have to excuse her…lol…she dont come from the same planet as us…shes not being screwed by this shit house that she works for. She will oneday god willing lose her job that all us honest hard working people are paying for.I was hoping the other misfit called Chall might bend his/her ear in on this thread,cause id like to carry on my adventure with her/him..lol.
    at the end of the day..these people are here for us to fuel and vent our anger at this shite organization, I mean no personel vendetta against any of them but Alice is a mouth piece for them and so gets the flack.
    Gonk

  • lisa says:

    @ Gonk, see this makes me laugh, the people paying the agency “The tax payer” are also paying the csa employees wages, so in a nutshell Alice or whatever she wants to call herself works for us, maybe she didt get reminded of that enough, oh I forgot the lame excuses are the things they do

  • gonk says:

    Lisa
    she needs to be reminded more often that we pay her wages…and I for sure will remind her when she pops up again.
    the bottom line is this…they screw me to the tune of £320 a month for a daughter the the mother did not want me to play a part in her upbringing anymore.
    the csa condon that by their actions towards the nrp…we are the wrong do’ers lol
    I dont need these arsoles telling me that I will pay for for ex deciding she dont wont her husband around anymore but can you make sure he still pays…lol
    i be happy to pay my ex £150 a month for my daughters keep and the other £170 a month I pay towards her when she comes and sees me on a regular basis…is that not resonable and fair and at least I spend my share on my daughter and not on the ex and her working partner….Alice…this aint rocket science…its just whats fair and right for both parties where the ex gets a little and the father gets a little to enable him to have his daughter and spend a little money on her…the csa way is WRONG…GIVE ALL THE MONEY TO THE EX AND FUCK YOU !!!!…….WELL ALICE AND YOUR ORGANIZATION….FUCK YOU TOO
    Gonk

  • gonk says:

    Stuart
    nothing from Alice yet!!!!!!……maybe she gone on holiday from her blood money earned from us lol
    Gonk

  • lisa says:

    Sounds reasonable to me gonk, cant blame you for not wanting to hand out that amount of money to your ex either, you should as a father be able to have a say on what that money is spent on, the csa dont give a shit about you as a father, to them your a number nothing more, the more the agency has coming in the more that worker gets in bonus, YES all at the taxpayers expense (sorry our expense)

  • stuart says:

    Alice has been off due to personal circumstances lets hope it is serious.

  • stuart says:

    this comment will move this back to the top so those who missed it can read.

  • gonk says:

    Lisa
    thank you and bless you…people like you and Sally and Stuart and Brett and all those I cant remember but have inspired me to fight these arsholes….and I will,with tooth n nail.
    gonk

  • lisa says:

    http://www.facebook.com/groups/204256966364149/

    Guys if your on facebook, join our growing group, we give help and support to those people who are having a hard time through the CSA, unbiased sounds advice from people who have already been there,

  • gonk says:

    Alice on March 24th, 2013 10:22 am

    If the NRP has reported that the child’s circumstances are such that the PWC should not be claiming CHB for them the CSA will inform the NRP that they will check if CHB is still in payment, if it is they will advise the NRP that they should contact CHB office and report possible fraud on the case, the agency will re-check at a later date and if it is seen that CHB has since ceased the child will be removed from the case accordingly and will advise the NRP that the child has been removed, the date that they have been removed from and that this action has been taken due to CHB no longer being in payment for the child. The agency cannot confirm if CHB has been ceased due to fraud as they do not get to see the reason why the claim has stopped.

    what you saying here Alice is……the nrp do all the fucking work….in the mean time we will still rob you until you prove otherwise………c***nts all of you
    gonk

  • gonk says:

    know this is an old thread but forgot to point out here..Alice once a nrp HAS proved fraud had taken place and the child is removed…does the csa pay back all the money its been merrily robbing from the nrp from the date he reported the fraud upto the date it was proved? I bet I know what your answer will be LOFL
    Gonk

  • Sally says:

    Lol lol how on earth did I miss his thread.. Anyone else who was caught out being selective about the information they provided, bias in their views and downright avoidance of questions that would imply the CSA are useless, ignorant intentionally disruptive in personal relationships between two parents, would hang their head in shame and avoid the website, but no, not Alice, he/she thinks she is doing us all a favour!!!

    She openly promotes the system in the brainwashed belief that they serve a purpose in society that we should value…. Is it any wonder we are all frustrated and stressed… It’s like communicating with a stepford wife… The are brain washed, brain dead robots Who are trained to cause trouble between families…

    As for you Gonk, I salute you, never a truer word was said!! 🙂

  • stuart says:

    Gonk, No the money has still to be refunded £2930. Back in September after a long battle the CSA had to write off £7k of bogus arrears caused by them. that hurt them badly so will not refund this money as they say at the time i owed arrears so offset it against these, which would have been fair enough if i owed them, as they have now been written off I want this money back but the CSA are refusing.

    It all stinks and Alice smells the worse as she happily thinks its all ok for this to happen to another human being.

  • stuart says:

    And let everybody have no doubt Alice has quiet clearly nailed her colours to the mast in this thread,

    she deems credit card fraud as a police matter but a PWC obtaining money from a NRP fraudently is not a matter for the police and the CSA will not tell the NRP it has happened.

    Double standards or biased Alice? oh dear oh dear Do give up the day job!!!!

  • eddie says:

    With sincere empathy to all on here

    The agency clearly breaches the human rights of (mainly) us dads. (please read on mums)
    The CSA shouldn’t be collecting Fu.. all as far as I am concerned the assessment process is problematic to say the least Immoral and probably nearer illegal and is in no way an assessment by its very nature. The only way to deal with this is collectively; small victories should contribute to the war that is required to take on this parasitical agency who do all they can to destroy families. They state that this is for the good of the children but in the many cases I have read relationships are destroyed and through a lack of care people are commiting suicide. Men blame ex wife’s who have gone to an agency who state that they would rather support amicable agreements but then who offer ridiculous amounts from NRPs many of whom are in contact and contributing what they can… only to wreck what is already had. It needs to be proven only that the assessments goals and targets of the agency promote in-equality and discrimination for us to have a chance of challenging this monster and for me the way forward is fighting (financially and legally) for a common goal. The basis for this is to set up a team, which needs to be underpinned by a qualified barrister who is not afraid to take on the very system that pays for his or her existence. In the name of JUSTICE….. someone has to and I would like to start the ball rolling with others who WANT to pay for there children but want a FAIR amount and FAIR ASSESSMENT. Contact [email protected]

    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/strengthening-families.pdf

  • stuart says:

    And Gonk you use the word fraud, and that is why it is so wrong and illegal for the csa to act as they do.

    Yet they still continue to do it on a daily basis, read all the threads on here, it is all fraud how they operate, Alice tries to defend it and avoid it but there is no other way to describe it.

    2 CSA staff have just been jailed for it and I have no doubt they are the first of many.

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