The CSA doesn’t have the power it claims to have
The CSA leaflet states that they have the POWER to remove the driving license or passport and to also impose a prison sentence if an absent parent is refusing to make payments – This is not true!
Although they have the LEGISLATION in place for the removal of a driving license, that LEGISLATION HAS NOT YET BEEN PASSED and is not expected to be passed until 2015 basically rendering them useless!
The removal of a passport is NOT ALLOWED due to EU regulations and prison sentences are not allowed for health and safety reasons, put into place in 2011, yet the booklets still state the CSA have these powers.
I am currently working with my MP who is assisting me with my case AGAINST the CSA and would urge any single parents who have been struggling to secure child support payments, especially from those self employed absent parents, to approach their own MP’s.
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Duncan are legal qualified no are they the law no you need to do some homework on CSA good luck as you don’t know nothing about law. I do because I am legally trained
legislation / acts are only law if consented by the governend thats you no constant no law can be passed
this comes under common law do your home dude it will help
driving licence by law you do not need it but you have the lawful right to travel how ever you see fit
same as a seat belt this is an act
and as for put imprison this has been unlawful since the 1800 you can not be put in prison for a debt
what makes the csa thick as shit once they have taken everything and the person has got nothing else to lose he becomes more dangous then the person who has still got something left to lose what we need to happen is take the csa works right away from them and see how they fucking like it
you should be protected under common law whic this goverment is trying to remove from everyone
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I’m afraid the information on the law supplied is rather vague. What legislation and EU rules are you referring to?
I’m afraid the Child Support Act 1991 and subsequent laws is all the judges need. You have to use the HRA 1998 to nullify the effects of the CSA this does work.
The CSA have informed me, that the legislation for the removal of a driving license has not been passed and is not expected to be passed until 2015, the removal of a passport is not allowed due to EU regulations…have no idea what the regulations are, more interested in the fact that the CSA advertise that they can remove passports and driving license, but the truth is they cannot. Re issuing a prison sentence, I was advised on the phone by the CSA that that is no longer possible, as of 2 years ago, due to health and safety regulations.
you have come on this website with nothing concrete.
the legislation for the suspension of your driving licence is already in place.
no idea about these EU regulations.
the imprisoning of a debtor is possible – they have not worked their head around the karoonian case yet. – certainly not due to health & safety regulations.
this is not news as some CSA oik was simply b**sh**ing you on the phone.
I have been advised via email by the CSA that the legislation is in place re the removal of a driving license but is not set to be passed until 2015, my MP has all the information and has written to the CSA.
According to the CSA the legislation IS IN PLACE…BUT IS NOT EXPECTED TO BE PASSED UNTIL 2015..
If my information which has come directly from the CSA is incorrect I will happily hold my hands up. I am currently working with my MP against the CSA so as soon as I receive a response, I will let you know. Right now, I am not interested in who is right or wrong, I am more interested in learning why the CSA have NOT secured any child support payments over the past 6 years and why they have not used any of the legislations they claim they have available to them.
s.39a of the CSA 1991 is in force for driving licence and prison.
as I said some csa oik trying to avoid your case.
– are you trying to get your ex’s driving licence removed. this step is hardly ever used – if the nrp needs a licence for work then the csa taking it away deprives him [or rarely her?] of a job and therefore no income = no csa just £5 pw from benefits.
you might ask your MP why the csa are deducting £5pw from benefits such as JSA when that is supposed to be the minimum to survive on – now there would be a piece of law or regulation to be posted on this website. I have heard that some NRP’s have succeeded with this argument but they always fail to tell me the rulw/regulation. I could certainly use it.
not news I’m afraid – duncan was right, it does – and i conclude it’s just some csa oik trying to avoid a difficult case and where it seems the PWC is being the monkey on the back of an ex trying to get on with life?
As my ex has refused to pay anything for the past 6 years, removing his driving license wouldn’t affect my children or me…but it would affect him!! CSA (CHILD SUPPORT) it’s in the name!! My ex claims no benefits as he is in hiding from anyone and everyone and is lying about his financial status..he is self employed and an accountant and has eventually brought his payslips forward after 6 years…and surprise surprise only earns £100 per week!!! he has had plenty of time to pay himself whatever he wants. If I chose not to feed clothe and generally take car eof my children I would have social services round here, so why should he be allowed to get away with it?! Removing his driving license would show him that the CSA mean business, would punish him for avoiding his responsibility…but as the legislation has not been passed, that is unlikely to happen.
Re the comment..an ex trying to get on with his life – his life includes a responsibility towards two children! Our responsibility! My ex has avoided spending time with his son because he does not want him to know where he and his family lives in case he slips up and the information is passed on to the CSA. All this because he refuses to be told to pay £40 per week!! It’s not a fortune.
I’m afraid you sound like a bitter ex – read section 39/39A of the Child Support Act 1991 passed in parliament and in force.
as I said just some csa oik trying to avoid your case – went to the bottom of the pile for some reason and they do not want to deal with you – as you appear intent on hounding your ex?
– I can only conclude in your defence that you are not on benefits [which is laudable] otherwise your ex would either already be on JSA or in prison [or maybe paying something which would probably go to the DWP and not you].
it should be our children and not my children by the way.
I really resent and refute that “bitter ex” comment, it’s amazing how you guys use that line constantly when describing a single working caring parent who is just looking out for his/her children. “My son” has missed out on having his father around just because his father will do anything (and I mean anything) to avoid paying any amount of child support. Running rings around the CSA system means far more to him than the years his son has missed out on having any kind of relationship with his father, and that breaks my heart! The money stopped being an issue a long long time ago, in fact I offered to drop the case, compromise for the sake of our children and make a private arrangement for the sake of “our children’s” happiness, but he had his teeth into the CSA and was thoroughly enjoying “the power trip” In the meantime, I was working a full time job, a weekend job and an evening job to meet the monthly mortgage payments, my son was left rattling around an empty house all weekend, all summer and the evenings at an age when he really needed a father’s input and support.
I lay a lot of the blame with the CSA as they actually allowed this process to continue year in year out, surely it would have been in everyone’s best interests to nip it in the bud as soon as possible. This has become an obsession with my ex and any thoughts about his now 18 year old son who has spent approx 7 days in his fathers company over the past 5 years, took a back seat a long time ago. The CSA are succeeding in ripping families apart in every aspect and seem to go after only the “easy targets” preferring to sweep the more difficult targets under the carpet, but not until they have caused irreparable damage amongst the families.
In an ideal world, an absent parent would want to be supportive emotionally and financially for the well being of their child, each parent would respect each other enough to provide the child/children with a positive and loving environment and leave any issues at the door. The CSA is an organisation that seem’s to be killing off that idea and causing only resentment fear anger and the break up of what was possibly a working situation, until their heavy handed un professional irresponsible involvement.
If wanting my son to have a good relationship with his absent father and regretting ever involving the CSA makes me a “bitter ex” I’d be proud to wear the bloody badge!
By the way, this did not go to the bottom of the pile, it was sent to the legal department as he insisted on defending himself in court and refused to produce any accounts in court and was under investigation for fraud. Therefore I had no involvement with the CSA for over 4 years, as it was between them and my ex. Certainly had no contact with my ex or the CSA whilst the investigation was ongoing, there were approx 3 court cases a year between the CSA and my ex of which I knew nothing until recently, so certainly no hounding going on from me.
Is he worth the trouble? If he wants no contact get on with your life and enjoy your children. Is he avoiding paying because you involved CSA? Seriously my witch of an ex went to the CSA and lied that I did not pay..I provided bank statements proving she was a lying bitch. They still took on her case as she has a right to use them but NRP have no rights.. They lowered my payments to her as I was paying too much but she continued to use them and stopped me having overnight contact upon the advice of CSA to get more money. She got less money for 7 years but uses CSA as a weapon. She has stopped all contact. Sorry about your case but the CSA are cunts. Once NRP has to use them the CSA dream up imaginary arrears etc.. Demand too much money and do not leave second families enough money to live on. This is why your ex avoids paying. Ditch the CSA and talk to your ex and ask for a reasonable amount.. Doesn’t matter how much he earns..that’s his business. You should not profit from his success. If he decides to spend on his children good but you are not entitled to his success you have separated.. How much does it cost to feed/ cloth a child a week? Plus a bit towards bills etc.. Remember you would still have bills if you lived on your own.. Please take in my comments and think about all involved. Do not use the excuse that you are doing for your children..
Regards your statement that what he is earns is not my business, I agree completely!!! I have no interest in knowing what he earns, but when he says he eans nothing to avoid making any payments, then it becomes an issue. I would have been happy if he had contributed £20 – £25 per week towards his children (£12.50 each!) but he refused to make any payments. You seem to make assumptions about a situation and a person that you do not know…maybe it would be wise to ask rather than assume.
How much does it cost to feed clothe children??
On the basis of a fulltime working mom with 2 x teenage children –
mother and living just outside the catchment area therefore children are not eligible to any contributions toward school lunches or travel fares to and from school – approx £18.00 £21.00 per week school travel.
Lunch money £2.00 – £3.00 per day x 2 = £20 – £30 per week.
(working mom’s not eligible to any contributions towards lunch)
(Generally works as much more as teenagers tend to eat a hell of a lot and expect £5.00 minimum for lunch, but for this purpose, we will keep it as low as possible)
School travel Costs – Approx £18.00 – £21.00 per week
( living just outside the catchment area so children not eligible to any contributions toward travel fares to and from school – working mom not available to do school run every day)
Single person weekly grocery bill £20.00 – £30.00
single mom and 2 x teenagers weekly grocery bill £60 – £80.00
Single persons water usage (baths/showers/washing machine) – £253.45 per year.
Single mom and 2 x teenagers water usage – £649.73 per year
(assessed with online calculator)
(£8.25 a week more than single person usage)
boys monthly haircuts per year – £8.00 per month = £96.00 a year
girls yearly hair cuts etc approx – £100.00 a year
Electricity bills – a single person working full time = no electricity between 8am and 5/6pm approx £25 – £40 per month (summer/winter)
Bring 2 teenagers into the equation = all tvs, playstations, x box, laptops, music systems, microwave, oven, lights in constant use weekends, evenings and school holidays = an increase of 50 – 100% usage in electricity. £55 – £80 per month (summer/winter) approx £10.00 per week increase
Yearly school trips – £150.00 – £300.00 for 2 teenagers (£25.00 per month)
School uniforms (no financial help for working mums) The average annual cost, including uniforms, coats, bags and stationery, is now £156 for a child at primary school and £285 for a child at secondary.
2 children = £570 per year (£45.00 per month)
Weekly allowances £10.00 x 2 = £20.00 per week (£80.00 per month)
mobile phone bills – £26.00 x 2 = £54.00
Shoes – per year for 2 teenagers (sneakers and shoes) £150.00 per year (£12.50 per month)
My maths is not great – and this is just an approximation, in some cases the costs are slightly higher/lower and many things have not been included e.g. birthdays, christmas, treats, family trips, holidays etc.
Total weekly EXTRA cost of having 2 teenage children = £168.20 (672.00 per month)
Single mom will be paying approx £600 – £800 per month in rent for 3 bed house.
or in my case £800-900 mortgage payments per month.
A 1 bed house/apartment = £350 – £500 per month (In my area)
£800 rent/mortgage + £672.00 housekeeping = £1472.80
bear in mind vehicle maintenance, mot, tax, fuel, house insurance, contents insurance, sky tv/bt vision clothing allowance and lunch allowance for parent, social allowance etc has not been included.
So approx £1472.80 to provide a roof over two teenagers heads, heating, electricity, baths, clothing, daily travel expenses to and from school, hair cuts, lunches…
Sometimes the cost of caring for children can be seriously undermined!!
At the end of the day, if 2 adults can come to an agreement which includes not just financial support but more importantly, regular access with the children and support for the main carer when he/she needs help with childcare whilst working, e.g. school runs and holidays, we as single parents and our children would be far happier!
michaela
just move on.
this is tarting to look like an obsession if you are not the bitter ex.
dai
Again, your making presumptions…. I moved on 3 years ago and don’t expect to see a penny in the future from the non paying non resident parent, a question was asked and I gave my opinion of a government organisation and my views on why it does not seem to be working. I also replied to the question asked “how much does it cost to care for a child” Now I could take a leaf out of your book and make personal unqualified rude obnoxious comments toward you, but I was under the impression this was a debate “an adult debate” about an organisation that is ruining peoples lives, not a school playground to throw around insults. The lives being ruined include the NRP, it includes the Main Carer and more importantly it includes the CHILDREN!
I agree, I possibly am a little obsessed/ show a healthy interest, but not with the NRP my “healthy interest” is toward the CSA and their incompetence. My Issue is with them, not with my ex. If you bothered to read past your own self indulgent opinions, you would have worked out that I am actually AGAINST the CSA and their heavy handed unjust irresponsible attitude toward families, including the NRP, don’t get me wrong I’m not against the theory, just against the REALITY!
Where we all agree that providing finances for the children is important, the over-riding theme in the equation is the CSA itself.
This corrupt system is being run for the benefit of those who work in it, to keep them in jobs and bonuses, and for the government in order to recycle/launder money.
Causing arguments and interfering in parents private family lives, is at the hub of what is completely wrong about this system.
Demonising and criminalising the parent who may not live with the children has a detrimental affect on that parent and their relationship with their children.
CSA should be shut down and mediation centres used in local government buildings, in order to reach a compromise, where BOTH parents are agreed on payment and contact.
Important matters involving children, do not belong in the hands of pen-pushing grade 1 office staff!
In complete agreement, well said!!
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