My ex now owes £8,000 but the CSA can’t find him

March 18, 2013

1st started my case in 2007 since then my ex partner has mangaed to avoid paying matinence even when he wasn’t working i provided them with all known contact numbers and address for them and they still did not get my payments.I must of contacted them over 100 times complaining and asking whats going on all i get told is were not sure where he is working were not sure were his living even though this information has been provided by me.

My ex partner now owes me over £8,000 in missed payments his had no action taken against him until january 2013 when a liability order was granted i have now been told they will try and collect the money so im proberly going to wait another 6 yrs for that by that time my daughter will be nearly 15.everytime i ring now i just get told we will be in contact when we recieve payment. I dont see the point in CSA they dont have any power to force somebody to pay for their child as i have found out.

Comments

  • Lisa says:

    Im assuming from your post that your ex doesnt have contact with his daughter, maybe thats the reason why you.dont get payments, oh and the money is for your child not you!

  • wilf says:

    Danielle:- If you are do unhappy with the CSA why do you not ask for your case to be closed?
    Have you any idea how much it costs the taxpayer especially when they go to the trouble of obtaining a liability order on your behalf?
    It is possible that the information you gave was no longer applicable when they came to use it.
    Once the arrears are accrued they will not go away and nor will the CSA,many people on this site are testament to that fact.
    Unfortunately by the time they collect the money your child might be full grown and no longer in need of maintenance and you will have subsidised the NRP through their childhood.

  • wilf says:

    Then the money will be due to you.

  • lisa says:

    @ Wilf the case cannot be closed now as she has had a liability order put against him, I can bet money on it that he doesn’t even know and is gonna get a shock when he finds out, He should have been in court to contest that, the only way CSA will close this is if the arrears are paid and full and maintainance is agreed with the PWC and she is happy with the outcome

  • wilf says:

    lisa:- Nonsense the PWC can close the case any time and declare arrears paid directly, only if arrears are due to SofS can the case not be closed.

  • lisa says:

    I have been told by the CSA a case cannot be closed if arrears are outstanding, it can be closed by the PWC has to actually sign a declaration to state how much was paid and then they will close the case sometimes proof will also be required , my ex owed arrears on my case, I blagged it for him and told them arrears had been paid to get them off his back, they seriously were robbing him, they promised my case was closed in 2010, only weeks ago did I get a letter telling me the were closing it now the arrears stands at nil

  • Alice says:

    @ Danielle – the CSA have to verify any address the PWC supply for an NRP – they can do this via local authorities and other govt agencies. If he is not using that address officially they cannot consider it as being a confident address for the likes of bailiff action etc. Equally if employment details are supplied and the employer states that the NRP does not work for them or has left it’s back to square 1 for trace action.

    Lisa – a case can be closed at the request of the PWC and all arrears suspended even if there is a liability order in place. The PWC reserves the right to request any suspended arrears to be reinstated and collected at any time. The arrears can only be adjusted if the PWC confirms in writing that they have been received. The agency will not ask for proof that the money was paid.

  • lisa says:

    @ Alice, you talk rubbish, why did I get asked for proof, then a form sent to me to sign also a declaration saying it was also paid before they would think about closing the case down, so from experience that I myself have been through don’t tell me what I already know, the dealings I have had with the agency over the years shows that case workers cant help but fill us all with bullshit

  • lisa says:

    Just to clarify the OP, the liability order has been granted on the information you provided to them, I hope he gets decent legal advice cos I tell you this, it was issued illegally and will be over turned, there are laws against this type of thing happening,

  • wilf says:

    lisa:- The CSA can not complete an assessment on just what the PWC tells them, they have to obtain evidence for an assessment to be correctly concluded.
    PWC can provide evidence for a departure or variation but that is a different department and the NRP will be given the opportunity to refute it.

    No a case can not be closed if there are arrears but if PWC says they’ve been paid there is no longer a barrier.
    Signing a declaration saying arrears have been paid in full is precursor to case closure.

  • lisa says:

    Unfortunatly wilf sometimes the CSA do take what the PWC says, its because they have exhausted every avenue, I know this because going back to 2001 I had to ring them after they sent me a letter, it was compulsory then if you were signing on for JSA that you had to give fathers details, they were grateful for my input and said they would send a letter to the employer I provided, its because they have so many cases on they cant cope,

  • wilf says:

    lisa:- Yes they said they would follow up your information by writing to the employer you gave. This in those days was quicker than using HMRC.
    They did not use any information willy nilly as is sometimes suggested on this site.

  • Alice says:

    I re-iterate – if a PWC asks for a case to be closed and arrears to be suspended the CSA will comply with the PWC’s wishes, this action can be taken without the need for any confirmation in writing from the PWC
    If a PWC states that the arrears have been paid direct to her the agency will send a declaration for for the PWC to sign for the debt to be adjusted on the case – the agency will NOT ask the PWC to provide proof that they have received the money. If the NRP states that they have made direct payments and the PWC does not confirm this then the agency will ask the NRP to provide proof of the payments so they can consider whether to adjust the debt.
    The requirement for a signed declaration from the PWC or proof of payment from the NRP for debt adjustment but not for debt suspension is down to the fact that debt that has been adjusted cannot be re-instated the way suspended debt can be.

    As Wilf states information provided by a PWC will be followed up – the agency will not take a PWC’s word for what an NRP might be earning or where they may be working – this information needs to be verified by an employer, exactly the same as if the information is provided by HMRC, Job Centre Plus or an old employer. Details of where an NPR may be living will also be verified. The agency does not base an assessment or a DEO just on the word of the PWC.

    If no information is available a Default Maintenance Decision or an Estimation of Earnings can be implemented and the case will be passed to the criminal compliance team to contact the NRP. If the NRP then provides the relevant information the DMD or EoE assessment can be converted.

  • karen bedford says:

    Ignore these idiots like Peter Brown, they are not worth even reading their posts! Treat them as they treat others.
    Join the facebook groups child support agencies failings and others too for advice and support. The CSA cant make your ex pay but sending baliffs round or taking them to court can sometimes help I find! Good luck.

  • lisa says:

    @ Karen, how can we all be wrong, The CSA is not fit for purpose as we all know, Its problems like this that divide people, at the end of the day as a mum you carry on regardless and don’t stoop that low to sting a bloke for money he probably doesn’t owe or have!!! , Your ex is allowed a life after you regardless of whether you have kids together, this is the huge problem here, women say don’t have kids if you cant afford them, the same saying goes for you the PWC also, now im beginning to understand exactly why men avoid the CSA and there ex as much as physically possible, the whole thing is biased and one sided, doesn’t matter whether the NRP cant afford to eat as long as the money is in your bank at the end of the month, its sickening

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