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Group Action against Secretary of State

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  1. mwt666
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    If you are, like myself, being screwed by the CSA because you been caught up in the "old" system and find yourself and your family out of pocket by some considerable amount - then it's time to take action rather than spout hot air.

    Although there is soon to be yet another system in operation through CMEC, there have been two sytems of child maintenance in operation since March 2003 (five long years). I know I am preaching to those already familiar, however, despite what the Government may say, there are Human Rights issues here as the assessments on each system in many case fiffer by hundreds of pound per month (my case for example, have just been assessed at £512pcm (from £340pcm!) - under the simpler CS2 calculations, the monthly assessment would be £215pcm.!)This not only affects myself in this instance, but my family also.

    Although I acknowledge that maintenance is important, I want the assessments to be fair and proportionate.

    I know it affects many thousands out there too.

    I have therefore made enquiries as to a possible Group Action as the legalities of these two systems running concurrently, must be tenuous to say the least. As such, a Judicial Review is needed under the Human Rights Act.

    Although not by any means definite, I am aware of a high profile Human Rights lawyer who would be interested in taking an action such as this on. Indeed, he would relish the prospect of another victory against the Secretary of State.

    A case of this magnitude is not something Gordon Brown would need, let's be honest.

    However, to bring a Group Action requires a group (strangely enough). We therefore need to get together and take action.

    Please respond if anyone feels they have a case and want to take this further, rather than posting the odd grumblings.

    Cheers

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. Michael - CSAhell.com staff
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    Thanks for bringing this to our attention mwt666, I'll post this on the front of the site for you as well. If anyone would like further information about this feel free to reply or to contact csahell.com directly.

    Battling the child support agency on every front
    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. mwt666
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    Thanks, could do with as many people as possible involved.

    Can't fight this alone.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. Shellforrest
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    I am seriously looking for some way of help. We simply cannot afford to live because of CSA, my husband is seriously thinking about leaving his job with the Armed Forces just so we can eat. We pay £750 per month, half hubbies wages. We only have a house coz he is in the Army. I have tried everything & are now having to seek debt advise as we cannot afford to pay the bills. CSA told me they didnn't care about my child, tol take him out of child care etc so that we caould pay the stupid amount each month. I mean what child need £500+ a month for nothing> She earns more than my husband so its not like she is skint & she now wants us to send her kid to boarding school!! Argh this country - yes we need something now - CSA is a very unfair system, If you pay you get screwed & if you manage to get away from them I know there are ways to stay out of their system but what a nightmare.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. csa-hell
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    I am facing prison at the moment because I refuse to pay arrears I can't afford and I know not liable for. The CSA and their incompetance of not collecting information properly has put me back on benefits and in £3000 arrears.

    They have worked out my maintainance on NO shared care when I have always had my daughter 2 nights a week since myself and her mother split up. This was apart from a bitter brief period when my ex partner stopped me seeing my daughter and I had to fight for her through the courts. She told the CSA that shared care had stopped but NO-ONE decided to inform me. So for all these years I have assumed that they were assessing me on shared care.

    They refuse to go back and look at the case and would rather put a father in prison who has never refused to see his daughter. I have told them that if they looked at the case again and put matters right I would be prepared to set up self employment and everyone would benefit. They still refuse so as far as I am concerned I am going to prison. My case has been ajourned again so I have a few more weeks freedom left!

    I would ask everyone that is being screwed by the CSA to join this fight against them and a Government who should be ashamed of themselves for letting this happen!

    I have found this site NOT to have an active interest in the fight against the CSA.
    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. mysteryman
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    I don't know if this is too old now mwt666 but I think the CSA1 system should have been abolished when CSA2 was brought in, like designed. Especially considering the fact most CSA1 cases are actually on the CSA2 computer system !!!!! CS1 has been left purely to keep the figures up.

    The CSA want over 500 a month from me. Let me know if theres anything I can do.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. csa-hell
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    The only way I can view another thread is if I am logged in and it has been CLOSED! This was a thread for people genuinely wanting to fight the CSA and a link to the site in question. I have also left a comment reffering to this site with dedicated members who are genuinely fighting the cause, yet IT WAS NOT PUBLISHED. Your only interest is your own site, your own fight and your own cause. Good luck because I will have nothing more to do with your site and will make sure I steer people well away from it too!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. hsa1
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    I will support any action against the CSA.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. Rowley
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    I have taken a case to the European Court of Human Rights. It was lodged in January this year I am waiting for the court to deal with it.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. deadbeatdad
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    There is a new tactic we at Dead Beat Dads are going to use along with a couple of other groups that are fighting the corrupt government system. The art of doing a protest seemed to be a good thing but looking into how this governemtn works and the corruption that is going on this actualy is the worst thing we can do. If you look at how Jolly Stanesbey was given a two month jail sentence because he protested on Harmans roof top, this was to shut him up and to give him a criminal record which take saway your credibilty, there is better way to swing this whole mess around and we will be using it against the CMEC and the Judicial system as the Government have been perverting the course of justice and violating our human rights and our constitutional rights. We have found out that the Government have been informing magistrates that all liability Orders must be granted when the CSA bring it to court regardless of whether evidence is produced or not, this is a serious violation of our human rights and since we found this out at a particular court case when DBDA went to represent a father as a mackenzie friend the court case was stoped because it was a mis trial which we are awaiting a new hearing, however the CSA still tried to send in Marstons bailiffs. They used their threatening techniques however they were suspended when we requested information under the FOI 2000 allowing them to use certain threatening tacticts please see here http://deadbeatdadsassociation.co.uk/index_files/Page2870.htm. The fight back begins folks we just all need to stick together and we will bring this whole system down

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. VP
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    Come on get real this has been going on for 17 years to my knowledge
    lets form a new political Party that actually wants to stop this breakdown in our society , with 150,000 men a year going through divorce , women in second marraiges losing out financially and children who have grown up without fathers who want to stop the Child Support Abusers club
    Tell me how we start a new political Party - we really must have a new generation of voters where we can strike a chord when we mention the breakdown of society who want to vote for a new way

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. jeffrey
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    im also living this nightmare and in my desperation i was trawling through the web for anything i cud find to help ..thankfully i found this site , but i also came across something on youtube .for anyone who has not seen it type in child support agency there is a post called child support agency murders ..it is in memory of all those people who took their lives because of the csa..if the government wont take all our suffering serious perhaps that may actually make them sit up and listen it had a huge affect on myself.. also something that really pisses me off is they are trying to say the csa is to end child poverty, then i would like to know why if a pwc is on benefits of say £85 pw ..and npwc pays £50 the pwc still only gets £85 pw !!!!!!!!!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  13. distressedfamily
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    I am in a living hell with the csa as well i have a daughter who is 11 and they take £510 per month and £165 on top of that for arrears i split from my ex partner when my daughter was two i was never married to my ex partner but i got married to my wife and we have been togther 8 years way longer than the last anyway since me and my wife have been togther we have had 2 sons togther my eldest is 3 and on the autistic spectrum and he is on a special diet which costs us alot of money but he needs it . The csa have not taken into consideration how much care or money it takes to look after fim i also have a six month and it,s literally putting a huge strain on our marriage my wife has had an awfull lot of trouble from my ex and the constant phone calls from the csa are driving her and myself round the bend i will do anything to try get them of our back and anyone else that is in the situation i know what a struggle it is to keep your head above water . What can i do to help??

    Posted 2 years ago #
  14. Farnesy
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    I am in. My husband is still on the old calculation system for his daughter by a previous marriage. They want over £300 per month or his daughter yet in the calculations they allow approximately £100 a month for our son. There is simply no continuity.

    We are with everyone else, we want to pay for his daughter's upkeep yet we want it to be a fair affordable amount for us and we want them to take into account living cost - mortgage, utilities, council tax etc. which they don't! We could give up paying the mortgage to pay the monthly maintenance required - where is the sense in that?!?!

    My husband is suffering badly as he has £150 per month left over from his salary after everything is paid. I said we will find it as we are a partnership but he is a proud man and feels bad. He has just served 24 years in the Armed Forces and was stupid enough to start taking his pension which he was entitled to, now they are coming after him for some of that...................he earned that fighting in the Gulf War alongside his Dad..........and now this shower of sh*te want to take every last penny he has!

    Please don't misunderstand, (I am sure you don't), we do want to pay but are extremely aggrieved that they can't do the simple maths.............£3xx into £150 doesn't go!!

    Let me know as and when what we need to do!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  15. deadbeatdad
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    come over to http://www.deadbeatdadsassociation.co.uk we are now in the proces of beginning something which is going to start to bring the CSA to it's knees, we have a strong following now and also have a strong influence of other associations teamed up with us. The CSA has met its match

    Posted 2 years ago #
  16. Anonymous

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    Right, Here's my situation:

    My child was born in 1999 so I'm on the old system. I was assessed and for some reason told to pay 30% of may wages which was £82 a week at the time. I paid close to £350 a month. I made these payments for 6 solid years. I stopped paying for 2.5 years and accrued a 'debt; of £15,000. I stared paying a new amount of £40 a week in 2007 plus £150 a month in debt repayment (just shy of £400) I challenged the orginal assessments repeatedly (granted only over the phone). This April (9 years later) I have discovered that I was put on an interim assessment in 2001. Now that I earn more, I was shocked to discover that my actual repayments are supposed to be around £40 a week! So for the first 6 years I paid double what I supposed to!

    Anyway in 2007 my case was reassessed. I made a formal debt repayment agreement with the CSA and have continued to make regular payments every month. In November 2008 I received a call saying that the CSA now wanted me to pay back my outstanding debt within two years despite a pre-arranged argreement to pay back an amount each month.

    They now want me to pay back £620 a month or they will take me to court for a liability order.

    This extra pressure has seen my marriage break up resulting in my daughter losing a loving step mum (she is devasted!) I will now have no where for my daughter to stay with me over weekends as I will now have to live in a shitty bedsit.

    My question is: If the CSA can backdate maintenance assessments on miscalcuted payments in the past and ask for more money, why won't they let me challenge my interim assessments and reduce my debt(maybe even eradicate it!)?

    It must be illegal to run two separate systems to claim maintenance!?! If not it is certainly unjust that one parent can pays 30-60% whilst another pays 15%.

    Whilst I don't doubt that the new system seems to be fairly calculated (my actual 'maintenance costs' are reasonable) those still on the old system MUST be represented.

    We all have our own issues with the CSA - that is why we are on this site - however I think this problem is bigger than all of our own individual cases (however all consuming they may be)

    I reckon the CSA should be regulated by the or some organisation

    It is not right that a government agency can carry on like a gangsters debt collector upsetting the lives of the children it laughingly claims to support.

    Right that's the grumbling over.

    The way I see it, I'm saddled with £10k of unjust 'debt;. By my reckoning, I'm happy to invest at least £5k to eradicate that debt.

    Contact me at wideandwonderful@googlemail.com if you are serious about challenging this.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  17. geordie
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    count me in as i was at an appael tribunal on 18.6.09 because of csa 1 and everyone involved agreed that i had won the moral argument but alas because there is no law allowing the movement from csa 1 to csa 2 then i was stuck on the now defunct system of csa 1 so next step europe and as they same 2 is better than 1 4 is better than 2 so lets get together and get this going unity is strength

    Posted 2 years ago #
  18. VP
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    Hi,
    So whats happening on this idea ?
    I'd love to help - I've been persecuted by the system as good father for 17 years
    Kids left their mother 15 years ago and I raised my son for most of those years
    whilst CSA took money from me and my kids and gave it to my ex !!
    The money they hav been taking amounts to £13000 and the kids will never see aPenny of it. Anyway it's not Child support Money it's punative charges the CSA built up against me whilst I was paying the court order.
    Have been speaking to My MP for 6 years and have spent the last 10 months writing to ICE .
    We are seeing corruption all around , it's fightening times we live in. No standards, No decency. MP's making rules which we have to live by when they won't even admit they were happy with the expense system that everyone else frankly thought was obscene.

    Every time I try to get an account breakdown from the CSA over the last 6 years it's either not forthcoming or is badly wrong and the amount of debt just keeps rising because the CSA don't know what they are doing !!

    How do you stop a Monster like this ?

    Perhaps it's a case of if you can't beat them join them - we need a complete overhaul of what is basically a political Nightmare.

    people who are not affected by government disasters like this think we are mistaken they just cannot beleive that I've raised my kids myself after they left their mother for the last 15 years but am still paying Child Support because of CSA maladministration.
    ICE want the CSA to pay me a small compensation but make No effort to get back the punative money £thousands the CSA have stolen from me to cover up their mistakes in the name of Child Support - They make me Sick - Disgusting people - How can they sleep at night - I'd rather sweep the streets than work for the CSA - it's an honourable profession.

    17 years of Hell and £30,000 worse off and Not a Penny went to my Kids - what a great System created by a great set of Expense Claiming MP's
    Surely the Telegraph should pick up this Scandal next , the CSA are costing us a fortune as tax payers so as fathers we pay several times over and it's also those cases where the women who really needed help but never got that from the CSA who are too busy putting DEO's on easy targets and overcharging them for their mistakes and failures.

    Sick of politicians and their Agencies with Powers that frighten me - I would trust these people to feed my dog let alone make rules for us to live by.

    Come on lets get the telegraph to expose the true cost of this Agency to the Taxpayer

    Posted 2 years ago #
  19. Daveycranna
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    Count me in although it maybe too late for me!!

    I have tried my very best to get things sorted with the csa but they are not interested in anything I say (sound familiar?)
    Long story short - The csa put a deo on my wages for £267pm(£187 of that being arrears). I phoned them up and complained that i work as and when required and not full time. They told me the law says I need £443pm to live on which didnt even cover my rent and council tax let alone anything else. All fell on deaf ears. They said I must need a re-assessment and would send out the appropriate paperwork. Guess what! - never arrived. I also got the "2 years to pay arrears being the law crap" and they would not drop the amount payable per month even by 1p.
    My work picked up and I managed to pay the full amount requested. They must of noticed that I was paying it in full because I found out yesterday that they chose to do their own assessment last September and lifted my deo to £519pm without even informing me. As I have not made much over my protected earnings this year the arrears are flying out of control so I rang them up again last month and was given the same old crap and they would send the forms out. Guess what! - they never arrived! (Maybe they should put some ink in the printer instead of taking the paper out of the bottom and putting it back in the top again continuously whilst sitting there like robots telling people what they have been programmed to say)
    My employer rang them to tell them that my wages had dropped far below what was required and it would be impossible for me to pay. He was told that they couldn't speak to him about it and he had to continue to pay the amount requested otherwise he would be taken to court. They certainly like to scare people.
    Which leads to yesterday 30th......
    Rang them again to be told that even if i did obtain an assessment form (which i don't think actually exist because I have never seen one) and fill it in - the arrears sustained by them would remain and that they still wanted the whole lot back within the 2 years.(I wish I could make £2000 as easy as that)
    I was told that either party (csa or myself) could ask for a re-assessment so why when I asked could they not sort it out like they did when they wanted one done? My answer to that is because they would of lost out on the easy money and they wouldn't have that!!
    I put the phone down on them and went off and thought about it.

    I came up with what I feel is the only thing I could do now and that was to phone them up and tell them they wouldnt get another penny from me and to take me to court in a hope that a judge will look at my case and instantly realise that it is impossible for me to pay such a stupid amount and that they are knowingly forcing my arrears up by £500 a month.

    I have tried my very best to get this sorted with them and to no avail. So now they are going to take me to court.

    If they want to freeze my bank account - they will have a hard job because I am going to do this myself.
    If they want to take my driving licence - they take my job aswell because I need it for work.
    If they choose to give a jail sentence to someone who has worked and paid taxes all his life - they can please themselves. At least I wont have the worries about being able to live and do everyday things like eat!

    There is only a certain amount people can take and I have had enough!

    You never know - Maybe the Telegraph will jump onto this and expose yet another corruption of this government and its sideline profit making company.

    The csa is so corrupt that it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the people who work there get a discount on their child support!!

    Come on Telegraph - Do England proud and tell the story exactly how it is - I am sure there is millions of us that DARE YOU!!!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  20. longy1
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    The only way to get the system changed is to shame our MP's into it, they are only looking after their own intrests £63,000 a year plus expenses, perhaps if we get our plight our the front pages of the news papers they might do something

    Posted 2 years ago #
  21. geordie
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    is there anything happening with this would appreciate if mwt 666 could give an update or any news on how howleys case is going as i believe this is a subject we shouldnt let go

    Posted 2 years ago #
  22. gcw
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    I hadn't read your post before I posted mine....apologies.
    I'm at your service and at the ready with a pile of evidence.
    My phone number is 0131 476 1515.
    I'm in Scotland and am about to be forced into unemplyment as a result of the fictional calculations based on the old system.
    I make payments as of the new system and include contributions to arrears.
    Amount all agreed to by my ex partner in writing, but changed her mind out of spite.
    So arrears are mounting and a deo has been sent to my employers.
    I believe if everyone complained to their mp at the same time, something will have to be done.
    300,000 COMPLAINTS.
    Peace and empathy.
    GCW

    Posted 2 years ago #

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