My husband will be a stay-at-home dad, will we still have to pay?

May 16, 2013

Hi all,

Wonder if you could help please. My Husband started paying CSA to his ex wife in 2011. He will shortly be made redundant from the Army, and will become a stay at home Dad to our baby (which is on the way) when I go back to work full time. He will therfore not be earning any monies, and I will earn around £1,900 a month. Will we still need to pay CSA for his children with his ex wife (who incidently he doesn’t see and has a hearing date at the end of the month for an acces order).

My understanding is that as this is post 2003 my earning will not be taken into account, and as my husband will not be earning there will be no CSA to pay.

Thanks,
Talli

Comments

  • Lisa says:

    Hi tally, the csa will not take your earnings into account so your husband will be nil assessed, good luck

  • wilf says:

    Be careful, if your partner takes his army pension they will regard this as earnings.

  • Lisa says:

    Not if she is the main earner they wont, he doesnt have to declare his army pension, I.wouldt anyway

  • chall says:

    Talliberth,

    Wilf is not incorrect.
    You should also be aware that on current rules if your household claims child tax credits this may also be deemed as the NRP income.

    chall

  • Lisa says:

    The CSA cannot take tax credits if the nrpp is the main earner in the home, I suggest chall you read up on csa law, I.have, they take tax credits from the.nrp only if he is earning not his.partner

  • Sally says:

    The first thing to do is get all assets into your name only… That’s what my partner and I did to get away from his greedy ex and the thieves at the CSA they cannot take what he doesn’t have…. 🙂 we have a home and lifestyle that the CSA will never be able to take away from us 🙂 🙂

    Not sure about the army pension but would assume that he can’t receive it until he reaches a certain age so don’t see how in can be included as an income today… I would seek professional advice on this as you will be given ‘selective’ advice on here to get you to declare all to the CSA…. I’m with Lisa, if there is a way to avoid declaring it… I’d avoid it… Good luck

  • chall says:

    I suggest YOU re read my post Lisa – I stated CHILD tax credits!!

    As far as reading up on csa law is concerned, I suggest you take your own advice 😉

    chall

  • Dustybin says:

    Hi I am afraid they will take their cut from your husbands pension…..they are doing that with my husbands. The greedy ex even tried to get a cut of his lump sum too, but as it was below the threshold that CSA take it into account, it is just his pension, and his earnings from his new job they are stinging us for. All the very best to you both in ‘civvy street’ 🙂
    @ Sally, with military pensions, if you serve your time (22 years), your pension is payable immediately from when you leave service, there is no waiting until 65 or whatever the pensionable age is nowadays.

  • Zux says:

    the good news is he will have to pay either nil rate or 5 a weeks as he is expected to get JSA [for some reason]; unfortunately the greedy ex can sponge on you both if she ring CSA saying that you have working tax credit as she is entitled to share despite of the lady being the main provider for the household.

  • chall says:

    At present, for child support purposes-

    WORKING TAX CREDITS;
    Are deemed the income of the higher earner. If earnings are equal, they are split 50/50.

    CHILD TAX CREDITS;
    Are deemed the income of the NRP.

  • Sally says:

    Thanks Dustybin – I didn’t realise, I guess it makes sense though as the person leaving the army would need access to it straight away.. I’m glad your partners greedy ex didn’t get a % of his lump sum… there is nothing more demoralising than someone assuming they are entitled to money that they have not worked for.

  • Lisa says:

    Chall if you.contact the CSA, they will tell.you if the nrp is working yes the CTC is deemed income, if the.NRP is not working he is declared as having no income at all, the CTC is.paid with any potential WTC which in this case is paid to the NRPP, so in effect the CSA cannot touch any CTC,

  • KMcQ80 says:

    So if the father doesn’t provide for his children who should?
    OAPs, pensioners, the unemployed?

    I am a stay at home dog owner.
    Who should pay for the dog’s upkeep?

  • Alice says:

    an army pension – or any other pension that is taxable will be registered with HMRC, if CSA request details for the NRp from HRMC (standard procedure) and the pension is shown as being paid but NRP has stated no income the assessment will be revised to include the pension, this will generate arrears as the assessment will be effective to the date of the appropriate assessment and the NRP may face legal action for failing to supply information or knowingly providing false information. If found guilty in court the NRP would have a criminal record and may face a fine of up to £1000. A DEO/DER can be imposed on a pension.

    Child Tax credit will be considered as income to the household – and will be used as part of the NRP’s income regardless of whether the NRP or the NRPP is the principal earner. Again if not declared the agency will revise the assessment back, again this will result in arrears, and the NRP again may face legal action against them.

  • Sally says:

    And the best outcome is when the greedy ex and the CSA realise that the NRP has declared all and the PWC doesn’t get ANY of his lump sum and has to make do with basic child maintenance… but im sure the idiots at the CSA will wave their magic wand and produce fictitious arrears so that the NRP cannot get time to enjoy the money he has worked hard for 22 years to get….

    The thieves at the CSA will ensure they get their bonus…. regardless…

    As stuart says though….

    stuart on May 16th, 2013 6:40 pm

    Alice as a CSA employee when they remove the brain does it hurt? That aside is it legal or are you again giving false information can you provide a link to the legislation you quote? is it not published?

    Did you know Alice in a five year period the CSA made errors on 50,000 cases.

    As a result of these errors it cost the tax payer 17 million pounds to compensate the victims.

  • Macon says:

    Alice

    How many PWC have been fined or legal action taken against them from the CSA for false information do you understand this question ?

  • Lisa says:

    Right lets put this to bed.once and for all, just spoke to a manager dealing with my complaint, I.put the above question to them, if the nrpp is.working and.the.nrp is a stay at home dad its nil assesment, the tax credits are based wholly on the nrpp income alone, they will not take tax credits into account, your army pension can be deducted from source bit.personally I would tell them nothing, alice you talk shit, seems by picking up the phone and speaking to the.organ grinder not the idiot monkey gets real answers not twattery you.post

  • Lisa says:

    As we already know arrears over 901 million pounds have been fabricated across the agency and men/fathers are being forced.to pay money they dont owe, if anybody gets a letter stating arrears on a case, challenge it, keep at it and get them wiped, arrears before july 2000 cannot be forced by liability order only collected by DEO, the csa staff have.cocked up so many cases its untrue, always record calls as I do, you dont by law have to tell them your recording calls as long as its not used for anything apart from.protecting yourself from these idiot staff, let them drop themselves in the shit when you have proof that they would normally delete because its incriminating

  • Macon says:

    Alice has been quiet for a few days and this site has been better for it ,if I wanted any dodgy information I would have phoned the CSA 0845 numbers ,Lisa you have a wealth of knowledge that is a real help to people and you must be a real help to thousands of CSA victims !

  • Sally says:

    hear hear Macon…. no one has missed Alice touting for business or her side-kick chall’s ‘advice’….

    Lisa, keep up with the posts as people realise you are doing it to help them out… 🙂

  • Lisa says:

    @ sally and macon, if my advice helps anybody thru the hell of having to be robbed by csa then I will carry on regardless, thanks for the support guys, lets keep at them, we will one day get our voice heard, changing the way the CSA works has got to be soon, to many people are being hounded and its got to stop

  • chall says:

    Quote Lisa on May 17th, 2013 1:43 pm

    Right lets put this to bed.once and for all, just spoke to a manager dealing with my complaint, I.put the above question to them, if the nrpp is.working and.the.nrp is a stay at home dad its nil assesment, the tax credits are based wholly on the nrpp income alone, they will not take tax credits into account, your army pension can be deducted from source bit.personally I would tell them nothing, alice you talk shit, seems by picking up the phone and speaking to the.organ grinder not the idiot monkey gets real answers not twattery you.post

    You’re WRONG – if your advice is supposed to help anybody, it would be a good idea if it was correct !!

    Tax credits – why this is considered income when
    calculating maintenance?
    • The inclusion of tax credits is defined in child support legislation under Schedule 1
    Part IV of the Child Support (Maintenance Calculations and Special Cases)
    Regulations 2000, which can be accessed online at:
    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/o-8701.pdf
    • Both working and child tax credits are treated as a non-resident parent’s income as
    they are paid as a supplement to earnings. In circumstances where the nonresident parent and their partner are working, half of the working tax credits
    received will be included within the non-resident parent’s net weekly income in
    order to calculate his or her liability. If the non-resident parent’s partner receives
    the household primary income, no tax credits will be included as part of the income figure for the purposes of the maintenance calculation.
    Child tax credits paid to either the non-resident parent or their partner is taken into account in full.

    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/child-maintenance-faqs.pdf pg 16

  • chall says:

    Quote Lisa on May 17th, 2013 1:43 pm

    Right lets put this to bed.once and for all, just spoke to a manager dealing with my complaint, I.put the above question to them, if the nrpp is.working and.the.nrp is a stay at home dad its nil assesment, the tax credits are based wholly on the nrpp income alone, they will not take tax credits into account, your army pension can be deducted from source bit.personally I would tell them nothing, alice you talk shit, seems by picking up the phone and speaking to the.organ grinder not the idiot monkey gets real answers not twattery you.post

    You’re WRONG – if your advice is supposed to help anybody, it would be a good idea if it was correct !!

    Tax credits – why this is considered income when
    calculating maintenance?
    • The inclusion of tax credits is defined in child support legislation under Schedule 1
    Part IV of the Child Support (Maintenance Calculations and Special Cases)
    Regulations 2000
    • Both working and child tax credits are treated as a non-resident parent’s income as
    they are paid as a supplement to earnings. In circumstances where the nonresident parent and their partner are working, half of the working tax credits
    received will be included within the non-resident parent’s net weekly income in
    order to calculate his or her liability. If the non-resident parent’s partner receives
    the household primary income, no tax credits will be included as part of the income figure for the purposes of the maintenance calculation.
    Child tax credits paid to either the non-resident parent or their partner is taken into account in full.

    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/child-maintenance-faqs.pdf pg 16

  • Sally says:

    As I said on my other post chall.. Copy and paste, copy and paste…. More “tosh and nonsense” from you lol lol 🙂

    Getting desperate to make your point by posting it twice??? Aha ha 🙂

  • Lisa says:

    @ chall, do what I.did and.pick up the phone, the csa are most helpful, tax credits are used in calculation where both nrp and.nrpp are both.working, where the nrp is not working its.classed as NO INCOME, use your brain and get facts straight I did, the tax credits cannot be used where the NRP IS NOT WORKING, when will you stop the bitchingl, The CSA however can take his army pension into account,

  • chall says:

    Legislation, is the legislation…

    Obviously some people consider everybody, including official DWP documentation, are wrong *sighs*…

    As Tax credit awards are clearly separated into WTC & CTC http://www.revenuebenefits.org.uk/tax-credits/guidance/how-do-tax-credits-work/understanding-overpayments/, the award notice for such clearly denotes such, maybe if other’s input is to be believed, all PWC should ensure any CTC paid to their NRP’s household is taken into consideration, as per the legislation.

  • topper says:

    @ chall……………..are u a CSA person then?

  • chall says:

    @ topper

    I do not work for the CSA!

  • topper says:

    OOOPs, apologies then to you.

  • chall says:

    lol, not a problem.

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