Move overseas and the CSA can’t touch you
September 2, 2010
I have just returned to the uk after living overseas for the past ten years. The CSA sent me a letter in 2000 saying that they would not take any other action for payments., (they don’t have the power to chase me for payments living abroard) As soon as I started work back in the uk I’m landed with a £7600 bill demanding payment. My son is now 19yrs he lived overseas when growing up and only returned to the uk a few years ago. I have decided to challenge them in court. Any advice would be great.
My advice to you is move overseas where the bastards can’t touch you or any assets you may have overseas. You don’t even have to move thousands of miles away, Republic of Ireland, joursey to name a few, or as long as your not paying tax to the uk goverment they don’t and can’t take anything away from you.
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You are still liable for any arrears accrued to the date you moved abroad.
No the CM can be enforced by CSA for any period the child resided abroad.
Where has the £7600 come from? Arrears for assessments while you were actually living abroad?
Wayne. I feel your pain on this. Nobody can describe the pain that one feels when you don't know what is coming next or what they will do.Only this Monday I was eating with my kids and some dear friends (kids for first time i'n 6 months) and 7.30pm the phone goes, showing a mobile number and lo and behold it is the CSA. As you can imagine the kids were upset, my wife stressed and well, basically a screwed up evening.I arranged that they telephone me at 10.00 Tuesday when I know that I can devote the time to them. Of course, nothing so I go out with the kids for a walkWe return to the house and as soon as this us evidently my house an official looking bloke steps out from behind a car and approaches me. As it turned out this was entirely innocent but I still had a panic attack as a result.Then if course the CSA call at the most inconvenient time and despite my telling them that this was not an appropriate conversation to have i'n front of my kids they persist.You're self employed so you have that stress too – I was for 10 years. I'm not now – I work for a supportive employer and the CSA still cannot calculate my salary.This is total harassment – leaves me questioning my own sanity.
It astonishes me that an official organisation can get away with this kind of treatment. They seem to behave like thugy illegal loansharks!! I can't understand how in our so called civilised society, these complaints don't result in a major investigation of procedures. Each situation is different and they should be treated accordingly
The Csa have always had powers to collect maintenance from a NRP living abroad…see there website!
How Old Are You? Pathetic – you dont deserve kids
@Lisa. It depends upon which country the NRP lives and whether (s)he works for a Uk based company http://www.csa.gov.uk/en/setup/parents-living-abroad.asp
Do people really do this? If someone 'can' afford to support their child but moves overseas deliberately to avoid paying then shame on them.
http://www.officialsolicitor.gov.uk/os/remo_countries.htmHere's a list of the countries there are quite a few that the UK work with in getting maintenance
I suggest MP. Ice currently have a hugh wait. My case is with ice & I've waited couple of months already. They will only deal once u have given CSA a chance 2 resolve complaint. MP complaints get taken to a special team who have been really good. They do get case sorted only problem when they close the complaint u get put back with the muppets who caused the problem it's a crap system
Pathetic hell no, I had foregot to mention I was paying for the mortage as well, I could not keep up the repayments and the house was taken and sold for half its value, so in a nut shell not only did I have to give up my job loose the house and not know where my son moved to thanks to the csa. So Karen who would you think is in the wrong here, now remember the csa had just been put together, fathers where killing them selves as they could see no other way out.
Actually Lisa, the CSA have no power if either of the parents live abroad. REMO is only applicable if a COURT ORDER is in place; sorry to burst you're bubble but if someone REALLY does not want to pay, they wont!
@Jay – apparently the CSA have new rules (that you cant get in writting). They can assess you if you are abroad if you have a financial connection to the UK eg a bank account.
Karen, are you a PWC? Personally I would quite happily move abroad which are my intentions, not merely for CSA purposes I might add.. I’ve already been forced out of a job and left with £20 a week to live on due to the actions by this corrupt agency. I’ve offered a private arrangement to my ex but she won’t accept it instead she’ll get as little as possible or nothing. Remember, child maintenance is what you pay your ex, not your child. I owe my ex nothing so why the hell am I forced to pay her by the government?
Anyway, rant over.
Is this for real? You are out of the jurisdiction of the UK but they intend to treat you like you are? This country is a utter ********!!!
Karen, you seem a little confused..I was paying my ex a direct debit of 950 poundsa month from1997 to 1999 when the CSA stepped in. They made me pay 827 pounds to them, from which my ex received 316 pounds (where did the other 511 pounds go??!!). After a year of hardship for us both we agreed to boycott the CSA. They hounded me for 3 years during which time a school lost its Head of Maths as I went self employed. I eventually moved abroad where I have 3 more kids (1 of whom is stepson who I have provided for totally). We are all still a very happy extended family. Both uk kids visit me regularly (they both came for a month in the summer) I´m off to UK to visit my son at Uni next week, and both are over here for Xmas week. I have taught all 5 kids to swim, ride a bike, they play football, golf, Tae Kwondo, Ballet, play musical instruments. They can all speak to me and know that I will listen. Don´t brand anyone as an unfit parent unless you know them. Its not all about money. I have to go, my 6 year old is stuck on his Letterland book and I have to skype my daughter as shes just had an English exam today….
Can anyone help? I moved to the UK in Nov 09 and my payments were stopped a year later as the CSA don’t cover the Republic of Ireland. They are now chasing me saying I have to pay back all the money to them to refund my ex as their services don’t cover the ROI. I don’t have this money obviously and it was maintainence due to me so I don’t see the point. Can anyone help. Can they take legal action against me on this?
You all who are jumping ship are pathethic.
its your child take some responsibility!
you made them, now help pay for them.
Blow up the fuckin CSA
Well Im newly married to my Canadian husband, Im an Australian, myself and my three children have migrated to Canada. My three childrens Aussie dad pays a total of $13.64 a month for the three kids. My husband pays his ex wife a grand total of $895.00 a month for his 15 year old son, now my husband is financially responsible for three little Aussie kids who love him to bits, and he pays his ex for a kid who wants nothing to do with his dad….(hes just paid her a lump sum of alimony too) so we are struggling a bit….but incredibly happy
at the end of it, wheres the justice?? Australian CSA are useless and Canadian CSA are rorters!!!
Too many of us are ranting at each other. Those who have a hard time getting money out of their ex’s shout for more at the expense of the NRP. Too many don’t want to pay anything..hang them out to dry I say. Some of us have paid everything we’ve been asked to pay all along, then suddenly out of the blue comes a stupid demand for more. So much more that it is not financially possible to meet the sum they ask for. Call them, inform them, provide them with facts and figures, bank statements and all other proof but no, give us your money now or we’ll have you stitched up. they take your last line of dignity away by enforcing your employer to cough up at source. When you get to this stage, you have nothing left to give. No money to live off and an ex who laughs all the way to the bank and in no uncertain terms, does not use all the money for the kids. Why is the tally of people having difficulties with the CSA from both sides increasing every week? Because they are absolutley bloody useless for either side. An unfair system will never prevail and at the end of the day it is only money. If you haven’t got it, they can’t get it!!
So Ab, and all the others who feel NRP’s are running away (some women are also) to hide, wait until you are in this position if you are so unlucky to be so placed. I have paid for the last 10 years for 3 children and when my eldest son started work my demand fell by almost 25%. A couple of months later a new demand for more than 3 times the amount of money already being paid arrived next. I don’t actually have this amount of money spare and to make it worse, I allegedly owe £1600 in back payments also. Myself, I am lucky enough to be able to market myself abroad offshore and via Japan (no REMO’s applicable here!) which I am about to do. Why? To preserve my sanity, my new family and my 3 older children from a system that is intent on destroying what is left. What about the money I hear you say? My ex is not short of cash, has no mortgage (she got 2/3 of equity as she took kids), a nice new car, nice clothes and a part time job plus board and lodging money from my eldest son. We both know what she’s like as we are both paying for her to the detriment of the 2 younger children.
Whilst I’m abroad, I’ll be paid almost 7 times my current salary. Lucky me, no not really. I’d sooner be in the UK near my family but needs must. The money is insignificant as I don’t require a salary that large but I will invest it for each of the older children so they have a nest egg each that they can spend as they see fit. The best bit though is that my ex know’s I can do this as I worked abroad for many years before I met her and she believes I can be sorted out no matter where I go. Not so. Why then doesn’t she take my offer of an agreement between the both of us that I can manage and still have some quality of life at both ends? Before you all rush in with an answer..it’s greed and vengeance…nothing more and nothing less. Wasn’t even me who had an affair and ended the marriage either. I just got on with my life and picked up the pieces, got remarried to an amazing woman and had a beautiful daughter who my 3 older children adore. Lesson of the day is ‘What goes around comes around!’ and best of all I get to pick up Japanese again and learn from the masters of how to look after your extended family properly without Government interference. Pride, honour and a legal system that views both sides as 50/50 if required is what I have to look forward to.
I’d never pay an ex-wife to take care of a child. We could share the burden equally, each paying for the child when he or she is at our place. Anything else is just violence of the state against me. If some lady tried to initiate that violence against me I’d respond in self defense by killing her. Better to go to jail and keep your morality than accept living in an unjust world. I don’t think it is right to kill but it is the lesser evil than ending up a sniveling coward suppressed by a socialist, misandronist state. If people wanted equality for men and women they’d support male abortion, and the right to men and women to have an equal burden raising the child, not exchanging any money between them. These courts just see men as walking checkbooks.
To be fair csa are corupt they take money off you and only pay your kids a percentage keepin the rest for themselves!! However this shouldn’t be a problem to someone who wants to pay for their children as u can make an arrangement with their mother so csa don’t ever have to get involved in the first place! Make sure u get receipts tho else she may stint u for thousands sayin u haven’t payed a penny
Just hearing the word CSA makes me furious…. Unfortunatley I have been unlucky to have experienced both sides of these corrupt people.
I myself have 2 children from my first marraige and have recieved in total £5.68 in payments through the csa, my ex husband at the time was earning £700 per wk and had a new partner who was also in full time employment.
I was in a constant fight for 9 yrs to get this resolved, im still waiting today…my children are adults now and have there own homes. I myself remarried 12 yrs ago and my new husband also had a child who was 4 yrs when we met, we have paid each month £1000 through the csa for the child until we moved abroad 4 yrs ago, we too were told that we no longer had to pay, Thank god for that. that may seem harsh to those single Parents out there, lets face it CSA clearly have double standards, the message I was clearly getting is my kids did not matter and had to bring them up on my own and then paid heavily for my husbands child… £1000 per month … Its a joke, so 10 yrs of those payments believe me was very very hard and I certainly dont feel bad for not paying for him whilst been abroad, the child works himself now and we had hoped he would have had a nice little nest egg from all the money paid.. Not a chance.. The mother made sure she lived a very nice lifestyle from her winfall… I refer to it as that as she has never worked a day and has a nice 3 bed private house. Im not too bitter anymore !!!! I hope now people can see that the system does not always work for either parent, I certainly was very unlucky of both of my dealings with the corrupt b******s