I work for the CSA and I had someone’s house seized
July 22, 2010
This was added as a comment to this post, but we just had to put it on the website as a post in its own right. Please feel free to let us, and Susan (who works for the CSA), know what you think in the comments below – CSAhell.com staff
I happen to work for the CSA.
Flint – have you ever heard of the saying that it is better to keep your mouth shut and have the world think you are an idiot than to open it and confirm everybody’s suspicions?
As regards working without paying – we will catch up with you in the end. And then you will have to pay. Before you say that debts can’t be enforced after 6 years – wrong – this debt will go to your estate once you die.
House seizures are a reality now – not a myth. I know that because I made a referral for one which was taken.
As for self employed directors who claim minimum wage PAYE and then pay themselves in dividends to avoid paying maintenance – you will have a rather nasty shock when there is a massive bill sent your way following a variation or departure for dividend income and/or lifestyle inconsistencies.
My best result so far? A gentleman who claimed he earned not a penny but paperwork summoned from his accountant including his tax return showed he earned over £50,000 a year. What happened to him? He’s now got a criminal record.
The fact is that we attempt to be fair, but if there is deliberate avoidance then there is every reason for hardball treatment.
So, flint, be ready for that knock on the door from the bailiffs.
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Well here’s one for you!
self employed husband who claims a minimum salary to HMRC. Declares £14p/a yet has £200k mortgage…do the maths!
Three committal actions, prison, driving license, and charges on his property
DEBT to date £45,000 and this grows at £100.37 p/w due to my tanacity with a departure hearing proving i was right!
Yep bailiffs turn up, Yep they take money if he’s in and Yep they get paid before my children do!
He pays no maintenance and the rate he is clearing a growing debt will take 50 years to clear, hardly in line with the CSA’s ‘we aim to clear debts within 2 years’ speech!
Why doesn’t he pay maintenance?? This is due to no legislation in place to make absent parents PAY MAINTENANCE, nothing to do with debt! That is FACT!
My office dealing with this case is HASTINGS. WHo’s my case officer? No idea, over 13 years i have had 12!!
So whilst i was sceptical about reading this in the hope that it wasn’t an absent parent paying maintenance and being pursued for a couple of grand i whole heartdly agree that the self employed flout the system and should be nicked for child cruelty!
Well done! Now tell me how i get enforcement at HASTINGS to do this!
get PLYMOUTH branch of csa to pull their finger out and put cases together properly gathering all evidence (not just over the phone) and stick to their word!!! those that abuse the system whether they are self employed, on benefits etc should expect to be punished. they have powers yet do not enforce them. the CHILDREN are the ones who are meant to benefit, not those that abuse the system.
Susan… what about the poor buggers that do pay & you screw into the floor!!!! – I’m living in a 1 bed shed, with no car, and bankrupt, but hte ex now has a 180K house, new 30K land rover & the kids are getting fat!! – that bloody fair isn;t it. – there is not a bloody word in the English dictionary that I would use to describe the CSA!. – I’m better off dead..but then you greedy bast**ds would still try &* screw over whoever is left…..it’s quite simple. The amount is too much, which is why everybody complains or avoids. be realistic & most of the issues will dissolve.
oi dip stick if you work for the csa you are doing many unlawful things
you lie ,steal money from the hard workER
WITHOUT OUT PROOF THAT WE TAKE RESPONABILTY FOR OUR CHILDREN
YOU HAVE NO LAWFUL POWER TO DO ANYTHINGS YOU CLAIM WE ARE PROTECTED BY COMMON LAW .WHICH YOU IGNORE
WHEN YOU PROVE TO NRPS
THAT 100 PERCENT OF THE MONEY U UNLAWFUL STEAL GOES TO OUR CHILDREN
PROVE THAT WE ARE NOT TAKEN RESPONSABILTY FOR OUR CHILDREN
PROVE THAT YOU HAVE CONSIDERED ALL THE FACT BEFORE STEALING MONEY
THEN YOU CAN COMMENT
TRY STAYING ON THE FONE INSTEAD OF HANGING UP WHEN YOU ARE ASKED TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE (THE LAWFULL KIND)
YOU RETARDS ARE VERY GOOD WITH WORDS BUT CRAP AT THE TRUTH
HOW YOU HOLD YOU HEAD UP HIGH IS BEYOND ME
WITH ALL THE EVIDENCE WRITTEN AND AUDIO IVE GOT OF YOU RETARDS
YOU WILL NEVER STAND A CHANCE WHILE COMMON LAW ALIVE
YOU TAKE OUR HOMES AND TAKE OUR CHILDRENS HOME AT THE SAME TIME THATS CLEVER
YOU TAKE OUR MONEY WE CANT AFFORD ,HOW DO WE PAY FOR RENT BILLS ,LIVING EXPENSES , THE VERY THING WHICH IS NEEDED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR CHILDREN .
I NOW EARN MY SELF 2.25 AN HOUR AFTER YOUR THEFT , WOULD YOU WORK FOR THAT ,WILL THAT PAY BILLS ,RENT FOOD , TRAVELING
WOULD YOU WORK 40 HOURS A WEEK FOR HALF THE MONEY NOT TO SURVIE ON
WAKE UP GET A LIFE .OR SHOULD WE GET THE CSA ON AND SEE HOW IT FEELS HAVEING EVERTHING YOU EARN AND WORK FOR STOLEN AND DESTROYED ON SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE NEVER PROVEN
THE CSA
THE COURT
THE DEAD BEAT MOTHERS
ALL SAY TAKE RESONPABILTY FOR YOU CHILDREN
BUT DEAD BEAT MUMS (NOT ALL) SAY YOU CANT HAVE 50/50 ACCESS
THE CSA STEAL MONEY SO YOU CANT HAVE A ROOF OVER YOUR HEAD NO ROOF NO ACCESS
YOU GO FOR ACCESS IN THE COURTS FOR 50/50 ACCESS
AND THERE WORDS ARE NOT IN OUR INTRESTS
TIME WILL CHANGE SOON CSA HASTINGS ARE RETARD IDOTS AND COWARDS
Martin, whilst your passion isn’t in doubt – you could perhaps have explained that a little better. Perhaps someone else would like to paraphrase you, or take it upon themselves to explain their side in relation to Susan’s comments.
will expain better later
all nrps are guilty until proven inocent
csa employee is dumb he has no idea what law is they dont have lawful power only legislation and acts . which can only be made law when consented by the governed which is yourself . other wise it can not be passed as law .
also the csa powers can be removed in court . by claiming common law jurstication which not takes the csa pwers away but the court power as well .
as for csa taking homes they need a stamp from the courts on the land regstiy
which 99 percent of them dont have as the courts are not stamping them .
so the csa and the land reg are acting 100 percent unlawful
the court do not have the lawful power to get lieabitly orders on wages or to stamp your home .
Yes thanks for the info, but how about Self employed who claim they earn nothing to their accountant (who falsifies the books as they know its rubbish) so the taxman gets incorrect tax (and doesnt query it) the CSA use the accounts from the taxman and go by that, when the self employed person (lose term for person here!) has a house, luxury lifestyle and has thousands of pounds in the 5 bank accounts even when the CSA know about this via the Criminal Compliance Unit and Credit Ref Agencies and do nothing about it. Also this then proves that the fake payslips were lies when we was still self employed which was given to a Judge, surely he should be hurled back to court for fraud and contemp of this is!
I’m acting as an advocate for someone with learning difficulties. My impression of the staff at the CSA thus far is that they are intellectually challenged and illiterate, especially the Bailiff function The combination of poor intellect and draconian powers is lethal, especially where vulnerable people are involved. In this case I’m simply asking the CSA to prove the alleged indebtedness of their so-called client. This afternoon I have had to meet with our local MP to ask him to intervene with the CSA Chief Exec to compel disclosure of the required information to me and the CAB.
Gung ho CSA employees like Susan need to be very careful because there are people like me out here who will get them. For 15 years I have made it my business to go after public sector employees who bully and abuse vulnerable people. I also go after bailiffs who indulge in all sorts of illegal and underhand tactics. Bailiffs and their staff are not very bright either so they’re an easy target. So the answer, Susan, is to watch your mouth. Get on with whatever your job is and don’t post gung ho comments. You’re a public sector employee paid out of my taxes working for a dysfunctional organisation that should have been put down years ago. And if ever I should come across you bullying vulnerable people – watch out. The consequences will be very unpleasant because I take no prisoners. I regard public sector bullies as a very low form of life – and you sound as if you could be one!
just read that about csa {Cock Sucking Arseholes} put on here about being able to reposes some ones home. it proves the point even more that it should be scrapped. i really dont know how people who work for the csa sleep at nite. id rather do 18 years in prison then spend the next 18 years getting myself into debt like i will be doing thanks to them
Well well Susan I hope you cna sleep better at night knowing you have seized somebodies house. The facts are the CSA do not have any powers as they are not the Secretary of State. It is also fact which we have proof the CSA have £22000 worth of County Court Judgements egistered against them, so yes folks in reality the CSA are a poorly run company.
The facts are our members over at Dead Beat Dads Association have already proven thsi when we have been into court and there are facts that we have when we go to court to show the CSA are a company and Liability orders are now being thrown out. Anybody needs any proof of the CSAs massive debt problem and the CCJs registered against them take a look here http://deadbeatdadsassociation.co.uk/index_files/Page9349.htm
So Susan people in glass houses should not throw stones
so you take a home from a nrp to pay for his child so where does he take his child for access time a b&b ,a ymca ,
i dont think a court will allow him to to take himto these places do you
(another great thing a bitter x can use against you)
so now he has no home no access to child and you still steal from him , well done fool
you have proven so many things by your ulawful actions
no home no access no money
how can nrps take responsabilty for a child with out these
i bet you have no evidence to prove that hes not taken responsabilty for his child just the word of a bitter x.
retard csa worker
100 percent of cases the csa have stolen money for so called maintance they have never proven that there not taken resonsabilty
but help towards the nrp not taken responsabilty
they have help bitter x s
in court to stop access
to steal money
No doubt you take great pride in your work for the CSA. I am sure the Chancellor of the Exchequer is delighted with alll the money you are collecting for him, PWC’s would appear to be less impressed though.
Pity that you still dont understand your own rules. No surprise there then ….
You cannot be a self employed Directlor. A Director is an employee in law.
Furthermore, it is not unlawfull to take minimum PAYE and maximum Dividends. HMRC have no issues with that whatsoever. It is for the PWC to request a variation to the assessment if they are unhappy with it, it is not something that the CSA can do off its own back as you state.
I am yet to see any examples of the CSA’s ‘fairness’, perhaps you could site some examples for us ……..
In response to Gordon Clifton’s post .
Are you a solicitor ? Because I sure could do with your help .
Re: Sad Mum – I’m not a solicitor but sometimes mistaken for one. I work on a far broader basis so I’m not shackled by the system in the way that solicitors are. Much more importantly, there are no conflicts if I decide to involve an MP or to lay it on the line to senior civil service or political types. In my case the age of deference is well and truly past, though I don’t recall being deferential to anyone! My contribution is a mixture of knowledge of the law, years of senior experience of dysfunctional organisations both public and private, and, having worked out what’s right in a particular case, an unswerving focus on getting the bad guys, especially if their behaviour impacts on kids. Finally, and importantly, I do this as a volunteer.
I’m sure you’d be able to contact me via the site if you’d like an opinion.
its funny how this post gone quite after a few facts and truth have benn displayed on here maybe csa worker has start to learner lol
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TO SUSAN
I hope that all of the scum who work at the CSA end up being put on trial,
I would vote for any party that says they will do this,So Susan I hope
to see you going in to the Old Bailey live on TV in the future,Of course
any future government will have to back date the Law,just like the CSA
back date payments.Be thankful Susan that I will never be PM of this country
for If I was you would HANG
@ Susan, I hope to god that I don’t meet you one day because I will probably squeeze your fucking neck until you eye balls pop out, you are a disgrace to your country…
to Susan
I can’t wait for you to catch me :]
I live here in london, got my csa case closed by working for another business unit in the company i work for; and moved to ireland temporarily until my case closed
Returned to the UK a free man
Why don’t you suck those apples before you spout out proudly how you took a childs future inheritence, for the mothers short term gain, selling property in a depressed market could put someone in negative equity, the idea that selling a house, worth less than 2yrs ago now, will benefit anyone is a false economy!! that childs future WAS secured in those bricks and mortar before you forced that sale; but as you’re a jobsworth looking for her next paycheque you fail to realise that fiscal common sense should prevail!!
It’s people like you; bitter, greedy, selfish, Jobsworths that are the reason this government asnd country is down the tubes…
You give PWC a figure of how much you can get them, so the PWC Decides they always want trhe maximum amount just because they can have it, doesnt mean its affordable or realistic…
the idea their ENTITLED to other peoples money makes me sick; the same as the government gives them a 2nd helping out of our taxes in Benefits, CTC, WTC, HB and a whole host of other TAX FREE Money you hand them out…
Hows this for an idea .. take into account BOTH parents income to include assetts and ‘gifts’ from rich family. then we’d see a whole lot of something real start to happen!!
If the mum drives around in a posh new car, goes on 3holidays a year and doesn’t work — then why cant I APPLY for a variation for inconsistency in income?
HA HA
Catch me if you can, i will continue to advise people to take the exact same course of action that I have done to close you down! A bunch of pen pushers on £5 per hour from LIVERFOOL are not going to outsmart me!!
To read about someone proud of causing missery to a family is appalling.
What type of people are you working at the Agency?
Both my Partner and I are at our wits end at the moment as he has been hit with a bill of £36,000. They still cannot give us a breakdown of where this is coming from.
They are now treatening to take our home away from us.
Can anyone tell me out there, how long would it take for them to repossess our home? Do they have to get a court order?
To Lyn: If they’re after £36K and threatening to take away your home you have to fight them every inch of the way. If it gets into the hands of the bailiff team life gets tougher because they’re limited in the thinking department but have draconian powers.
Pursue the proof of debt point and involve your MP. They have so many complaints from MPs on behalf of their constituents that they have set up a Parliamentary Response Unit. Unbelievable but true!
Make sure you challenge any and all assessments within the times laid down by law – very important point because they will try and wriggle out of proving the debt by claiming you’re out of time. No doubt they will try and get a magistrate’s court to enforce debt liability – they claim that the court has no power to resist their demands. In fact magistrates won’t just rubber stamp but make sure your case is well put together and detailed. Theirs will be shoddy because their record keeping is poor. While proving debt it can be useful to make an application under the Data Protection Act 1998 for all your structured and unstructured data. You’ll then be able to see the holes in their data and the quality of their calculations. For example, I discovered a year’s salary calculated from 5 payslips for someone I represent. And this for an excluded parent whose work was very intermittent and patchy! Main thing is to keep at it and make sure you construct a hardship case for the loss of your home. Start off a formal complaints process and escalate it quickly beyond the CSA to the Independent Case Reviewer. Again, keep your MP involved and get him to write to the managing director of the CSA, Mark Grimshaw.
So if as you state its unlawfull and they cant do it and they have no powers under common law then how do they still do it ?If i go to court with them and state its not a common law court can i just walk away?
because many people dont knowwhat there rights are best thing to do is learn them
and take them with you when when you know what there doing is wrong and unlawful tell the all coourts record cases and you take to up higher
[...] have just read a post from ‘Susan’ who works at the CSA and i must say i’m appalled by her post- it was very unprofessional and [...]
Um susan seems to have gone quiet……typical csa…..all mouth….no facts….and when the heat is on them they hide..
My ex is self-employed, lives in a £250k 4 bedroom detached house with his new wife and child, goes on holiday at least twice a year and enjoys a very nice lifestyle. He lied about his income to the CSA and they assessed him to pay £5 per week. It took bailiffs to recover the money owed and even the paltry £5 a week has now stopped so back I go to legal enforcement.
I work hard to make sure our son has a good life. His father doesn’t give a crap whether his son is OK or not. I wish I had a ‘Susan’ to come down hard on my ex – but I realise that his behaviour will sour the relationship with his son for the rest of his life and that will be his punishment. It shouldn’t be up to the CSA to enforce payment. By not paying for your child you show contempt for your child’s wellbeing and that makes you a bad parent, whether you want to believe that or not.
Glad to see their shutting down the CSA/CMEC and moving back to the DWP hopefully there will be loads of job losses involved in the merger. I also believe it will become accountable again.
you know what susan go fcuk yourself
@Susan.
Wow, you really love your job don’t you? I bet you’d work for free. Your parents must be so proud.
‘How was work today honey?’
‘Oh fantastic Mummsy, I killed a dozen fathers before lunch’
Listen love, you’re a cheap, pathetic panto villain, nothing more. A jumped-up snotty little jobsworth with delusions of grandeur. The very second you became a CSA employee is the very second you sold your soul to the devil. And one day, all that pain and misery that you, and your bastard colleagues, have heaped upon decent men, will come back on you.
susan
it’d be a shame if something terrible happened to you
i don’t think that kind of thought has ever entered my mind about anyone until today
DO CSA ONLY CHASE ABSENT PARENTS THAT ARE MEN COS THEY DONT WANT TO CHASE MY EX WIFE FOR PAYMENT
Can susan take on my case as I the father of three young children was given sole residency whereby my ex wife can only write four letters per year to the kids and has no direct contact at all permanantly. One month after this court ruling a property she owned that was mortgage free and being rented out for 645.00 pounds per month and a asset value of 300,000 was transfered into her parents name.
After giving the csa the run around and ignoring them for 9 month criminal compliance took over by then she refused to answer any questions regarding the house because she stated she didnt own it or get rent from it. THATS BECAUSE SHE TRANSFERED IT TO HER PARENTS for a land registry price 275,000 no way did her parents have that kind of money and I dont believe any money ever changed hands. Its just gone to variation appeal so all I can do is wait and see now I sent pages and pages of proof.
Have a wierdy from CSA – a letter out of the blue stating that over £1500 is owed in arrears. This after some 5 years of silence due to the fact I can’t work and have been living off my new wife – a fact upheld by the independent commission in 2005. When we’ve asked what it’s all about CSA manufacture some statements and say that this sum has always been owed but my ex declined to have it collected. Now firstly I had up until illness paid the amount determined by the CSA so no arrears as far as we were concerned and if you knew my ex there’s no way she would ever have declined beating me up for money. So we ask the questions – more ‘statements’ are produced and the CSA say they contacted my ex regularly since 2005 and she said in July this year that she wanted the money. We ask for proof – none forthcoming. We explain I can’t work and haven’t worked since 2005 offering to provide all the medical evidence and certification and also proof I have no assets. What do we get – not interested you still owe this money and have to pay. We’ll hound you until you do pay and get a liability order so we can look at taking action against you in future – but then they say, ‘paying the minimum amount of £6.60 a week could remove the possibility of us looking to take enforcement action’. Crazy – and my daughter, who my ex stopped me seeing despite Court Orders etc etc from 1998 until now is now 20! Help or comments would be appreciated.
I would just like to say to the aspiring little hitler who works for the CSA and has made the original comment at the top of the page that to be proud of ruining someones life is dispicable, you have not just rid a man of his home but a child of thier inherritance, CSA’s actions are never fully thought through and the end result is often missery or loss for all parties invovled. Also you have made specific comments which could lead to people finding out the identities of the people you have mentioned in your comment? I bet not many houses were repossesed last year as a result of the CSA so I am willing to bet i could find out who this induvidual is, i’m very good at finding people, so if the information you have posted above is accurate you have broken the Data Protection Privacy Act ammended: 1987 and I think the Data Protection Registrar would love to know that CSA employees are abusing peoples right to privacy. You people just cant help but put your foot in it no matter what you do! (a word to the wise the Data Protection Registrar (DPR) has had to reprimand the CSA many many times and the CSA are quite afraid of them). If the CSA send a letter to the wrong address get the DPR involved everytime. Lastly I would like to say that I run a big company and if I ran it anything like the CSA run thier company (and it is a company/ business) I would have gone bust along time ago.
Brilliance…. Here is a really simple rule – ‘HAVE A
CHILD. PAY FOR IT.’ Why do people think they can have children and
give them nothing? It is not the resident parents place to fund an
entire life for a child that was created for two people. The people
not paying for their children need to ask themselves where on earth
that child’s next meal coming from? Don’t pay for said child, and
compromise the child’s life and happiness and there will be
consequences. If someone has not paid for a child for so long that
they end up with their home seized, they deserve everything they
get! More of these stories need to go to the national press, people
not paying for children need to be scared into doing so. On top of
this, the person who wrote this working for the CSA – massive well
done to you, more of these people are needed!!!!
Karl Garrett – martin dell – Steven John Latham – I HATE THE CSA – Lyn –
You low life deadbeats – Except responsibility for the lives you created, people like you don’t deserve the love and pleasure of having children! Your sick.
(and in your case Lyn – stop living on the money entitled to children!!!! )
If you do something so bad as to get your home taken off you, go to a contact centre! It’s all your own fault….The lot of you deserve prison if you don’t pay for your children.
Gordon – how do you sleep at night letting people get away with this and letting children suffer?!
P.S – Everything the CSA do is lawful so get a grip and get over it.
Ian Ball – The world needs more fathers like you!!!!!! We wish you all the best.
Paul Roberts – Taking a child’s inheritance?! Are you serious, what if the child starves before getting their precious inheritance…oh wait no, because the resident parent will pay that’s right!!!!!! Moron
What’s really funny is all these hating comments are from non resident parents!!!!!!!!! – pay for your children, there won’t be a problem!
So really what you are telling us to do is work for cash – no one knows when this happens – no csa no tax no csa working advising you well thats what my screen says
The Bossy One wake up dick head i pay for my daughters my xwife does not. work that out so who realy paying for the kids oh thats right me and every tax payer
stuiped wankers like you only look at the mirror and see youself which is not hte truth because rather be blind then aidmit the system 1 sided
when my xwife works and then and only then you can gob off about me not taking responabilty for my daughters
if you want to be compelete honeste i could take my daughters as i am the bread winner and the only 1 who can pay and take responabitly for my daughters. with out benfits goverment handsouts so
you now try and prove that im the nrp when im doing all the work and all the paying and if you work your help her to stay on the dole well done
oh for the record my xwife does not own our daughter there joint i have regular access and will be taking more very soon now and i speak to my daughter everyday at the same time i have only ever missed 1 fone call to them in 3 years so fuck u
i fogot to add i do work fulltime and take less then benfitshome .by me sitting on my arse i could rake in an extra £232 a month
so what should i do wake up at 5am go to work for less money or sit on the dole and earn more what would you do i think will already know the answer to that dont we
nrp means i dont live with my children it does not mean i dont take responabilty for with children
i shouldent need to go to court to get aceess because fat dead beat mothers (not all mothers some on here i wish they were my x wife who would let me see my daughters when ever i could repesct to them ) want money but you cant see daddy who pays for everything .99 percent for working father have clean record so they do work and can and refuse to be allowed to see the children and take responabilty for with no real or legal or lawfull reason why other then the mother can get more money
we all dont make millions every month only enough to surive in 1 household not 2 because 1 parent refuse to pay for maintance it should work both ways not 1
what the hard working father can offer with out csa
a roof over head when ever they need it and when they the father pass on the have a home over there head with a paid in full by a hard worker or even equity if they need it .
what a non working mother can offer
a council house which is not hers and has nothing to hand down to the children
harsh truth i know but i live in the real world after all
and after reading all this which real is nothing other then money
i give my children love and thats all they will ever need no more no less just to know mum and dad love you anything else they get is a bonus
P.S – Everything the CSA do is lawful so get a grip and get over it.
bull so why do they not follow common law its only lawful if you conesnt to it other no law can be passed on you read up on it before you comment. on that .
most people have the home taken away due to they cant afford high csa demands or lose there home because the csa steal the money so you can make your rent or morgate payments .
i think The Bossy One is clueless to all this
The Bossy One, I do pay for my non resident daughter and 3 resident children 2 of which belong to a genuine deadbeat Dad who just ran away and left them, you are so blind to whats going on here you dont even have the right to comment. My daughter is well cared for, its the methods the CSA use and the fact they dont take into concideration the new families of NRP’s, those children have a right to a good life too but the CSA rob them of this. Do you think your a hero for kids or something? Look at both sides and make an educated comment but if you just insist on slagging of Dads or NRP’s then you just look bitter and twisted. Not all PWC’s are bad and not all NRP’s are bad most of the people on this site are good honest people and the CSA is leaving them and their families with nothing. Its simply not fair its too one sided. Go read a book or something and come back when your IQ has suitably grown to see things from all points of veiw… Ps I dont really need to rise to this but calling me a moron is amazing, I am a General Manager and a long serving member of Mensa so its certainly not my intelligence in question here.
Regards,
Paul Anthony Roberts, BSc (Hons), GSM….. Moron.
The Bossy One.
I have given everything (House & Contents), lost everything (Bankruptcy) and now pay far to much to be able to survive, and I’m stiull unable to afford to see my childeren.. So I DO PAY, and do willingly (just not this ridicoulous amount).
If you keep up this rethoric, watch out.
99% of the PWC’s and NRP’s on this site would pay without question, it’s just the imbalance, cost and heavy handedness of it all.
I would curb your comments if I were you. the Internet is not a safe place.
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The Bossy One. You can see she is obviously another feminist, who believes all men should be shot….. hence the onesided aspect to her comments.
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watch out for what ive got nothing you can take hence preivous comments with a attuide like that no wonder your in the mess your in
lol lol lol lol
Martin, I hope that wasn’t,t aimed at me sir….or have I read it wrong?
Like you, I,ve got nothing left, and I still pay. But every body labels me as a deadbeat!….
I do not deserved to be treated like a second class person…full stop.
surveillancehoneytrappingdebtortracingintelligence.co.uk?
What a great domain name, roles right off the tongue – some people are pretty clueless when it comes to the Internet
Karl garrett no dude was not aim at you i was trying to explain how peeps like us get fucked over on thing that are never proven
i know what i want to say but a bit crap at putting it to paper
i class a dead beat dad as a person who takes no intrest in the chlidren brought into this world have no intrest in seeing them
people only brand peeps like us because because we fight for acees and a life the aimfor the branding is to knock us down which will never happen
i hope you sleep soundly in your bed u sad individual. what about the women that have affairs rip there families apart leave the husbands with nothing but bills , you such a fool, not every man in this world that is not living with their child deserves the treatment they get from the csa . you are neglectful proven liars, that receive a few weeks training then go power tripping, making mistakes hence the 1000s of cases that get re opened because of your incompetance people end paying arrears through no fault of their own. you want to hope you never meet a woman that turns on you and you have to deal with the csa, because they are ons sided and unwilling to listen to anything. and i do know because iv dealt with them for years, and while i am in full agreement with people paying for there children this does not mean they need screwing left right and centre and end up losing cars jobs homes etc. you do not play fair because you fail to listen to both sides my husbands daughter left home at 17 but because her mother fraudulently claimed child benefit you did nothing just said if they get child benefit then you cant do anything. you can drag poor bastards through court take there wages and take there houses but you cant pick a phone up and check with the electrol roll that she was living in another house. you make me sick , you always chase the ones that have always paid because they are an easy target much easier than you actually getting the ones that never pay a penny. anyway i hope you sleep well because if you gain pleasure from making people suffer the only for you is down , burn there
iv just read the bossy ones comments, dont you talk some shyte love. letting children suffer, they sffered when they got dragged away from loving fathers , they suffer when there dads that skint he can only take them on day trips and not on holiday cos they have to pay for the ex to swan off with her new boyf leaving there child with you guessed it the nrp, she couldnt possible take her child away with all the money she got do you really think that this money all goes to the children you dilutional woman. and as for looking after the child you created most would given chance but they dont have it because caring for a child a paying for one are two completely diffrent things . that fat rat my husband was married to sits on her lardy arse all day and never works and never has the child support went on new tattoos , not school uniforms or anything silly like that, noooo the nrp can buy them too . my husband bent over backwards for that women , shes evil dont u understand that some women just milk the system . we had shared care of his daughter 3 nights a week paid for trips with school uniform pocket money clothes on top of the money the fat sow was raking in. get back in your bubble love you have no idea about the real world and what goes on .
Karl – your comments and threats have been passed to our legal team, who’ve forwarded them to the police and wrote to this website preparing summons for your personal details. Threatening people won’t help you see your kids!
Claire – your yet another bitter girlfriend of someone with step kids!
Well done for putting the website on – which is actually http://www.ladydetective.org.uk! We fight cases for people like this every day…hence why we know exactly what we’re talking about.
I would LOVE to understand both arguments. The CSA implements systems based on your earnings, as well as the ASH system. Are you trying to say your whole problem is the percentages are too high?
Totally agree that maintenance payments should be based on the proportion of how much time the children spend with the non resident parent. If you’re having your child 3 nights a week, it should be based on days.
The point I was making is that the CSA and ourselves deal with cases where parents dodge every single payment. They jump through hoops in order to not pay for their children. This thread was started by a woman who dealt with a parent who had done exactly that, surely no one can condone a parent never paying for their child?!?!!? You all jumped on her when in fact she was doing the right thing.
Finally, I never said DAD’s! 40% of our client base are men. I said NON RESIDENT PARENT. Big difference. This isn’t about gender in the slightest. If it was about a mother not paying for her child, I mean the exact same thing!
karl if the bossy one comment s or threat is true
all the evidence you need to destory it is on this page
Dear Mr & MRS CSA and to all the people against this group… I would just like to raise something which i believe is a valuable point, some families stay together they have children and the children live with both their parents till they grow up and seek lives of their own, and some of these families are pennyless and classed as being in poverty, all these parents can offer these kids is love, affection and their time which is the only thing a child really wants from their Mum and Dad. Child benifit, Tax Credits and a host of other benefits ensure that these kids eat and have a roof over their heads, I am so sick of all the talk of loving your kids with money, money is the evil which consumes our lives, rules our world, makes the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, we dont need to give money to prove we love our children, we just need to give them our time, read a bedtime story, give them a hug or take them for a walk in the woods impart your wisdom upon them and give them a gift that will last a lifetime and leave them in good stead for their future. Giving huge sums of money to someone else will not and does not prove your love for a child and never will. Love is in your heart not in your wallet.
Paul Roberts
@ The Bossy One
Your opinions, which were complete tosh anyway, became shamefully redundant when you started slutting your own website. I mean, there’s low, there’s a snakes belly and then there’s you. Abandoning any decency or humanity for the sake of, what is essentially, blood money. I could easily attempt an adult approach to this and expose you for the disgusting shit you are, but you don’t deserve my time, you scumbag. So, fuck you.
We will win against this barbaric agency because we are good people with the law on our side, we have not commited any crimes against any people, the country or its government, we were put in this situation by the hand of another and are be…ing punished for this without a fair trial or even the right to speak and be heard, our privacy has been shattered and we have been subjected to mental torture from the day the first CSA letter dropped onto our door mats, we are humans and not exempt from the rights of every other human being on this plannet just because our families fell apart. We are not here to be an endless supply of money, we are here to care for the ones we love, does the govenment concider a poor person unable to love their children? No, so why are we branded in this mannor? The CSA break many of our rights to live as human beings and I say we take them back!!!
Here are our Human Rights set out by the European Courts for Human Rights 1998…The right to life l Freedom from torture, inhuman and degrading treatment l Freedom from forced labour l Right to Liberty l Fair trial l l Retrospective penalties l Privacy l Freedom of conscience l Freedom of expression l Freedom of assem…bly l Marriage and family l Freedom from discrimination l First Protocol
I am still bloody angry at this womans comment, can I just present a fact about “I had someones house seized” Your ego may think you had someones house taken from them but I am afraid the CSA DO NOT HAVE THIS POWER, you merely refurred the case to the courts who took the Mans house from him. CSA Civil Servants have absolutely no power what so ever to do anything, get off your power trip you are nothing more than an admin assisitant on £13.5k a year Which is a perfectly decent job but not one which gives you any of the powers you lot seem to think you have, the House of Lords has constantly turned down applications from CMEC to have powers granted to CSA Case Workers however the HOuse of Lords has deemed it irrisposible to put such powers in the hands of Civil Servants who may abuse the powers and are not suitably trained or competent to weild such a weopon. Even the Government thinks you couldnt handle any power.
You really are a low life no-mark.
@ Paul
You’re absolutely right. The lot of them are delusional. I was in court recently because of those bastards. The CSA rep I conversed with beforehand was STILL threatening me with a house seizure AND prison. The Judge did neither. He actually went as far as to say, and I quote, ‘(seizing my house) would be draconian’.
So you see, CSA halfwits, you most definately aren’t all that. But I guess you all sleep like fucking babies at night. Makes me sick.
Dear Bossy One (I wonder why you call yourself this)?
How dare you comment that I am taking money that is owing to children.
Let me tell you I completed my A levels, went to Uni. Have a fantastic job that my is at least 3 times more than my ex partners so therefore I paid for his children while their mother sat on her arse claiming benefits.
It was me who took the children on at least 3 holidays and guess what Mammy took them nowhere but treated herself to holidays with her friends.
It was me who gave the children treats not their mother.
It was me the children came to crying when mammy had different men in her home beating her up and allowing the children to see this.
Now better still I also paid through my taxes for her jailbird Son who is serving time in prison. My taxes are going towards his keeps in jail while my ex partner was treated like the real criminal.
The main problem with defending a liability order it would seem falls on the farley case were the law lords state that magistrates can’t question csa figures this reported case came out middle of 2006 a few week before the national audit office report into the csa stated csa got wrong 20% of the assesments. I feel sure if the law lords had been aware of N /A report they wouldn’t have given CSA the green light on all their figures or would they?
I have paid CSA up until youngest child was 19, and due to tribunal hearing which turned into a departures hearing where chairwoman stated payslips for the dates she requested were false, even thought this was supported by p60 etc. since then all commisioners/ judges/ and court of appeal judges are interested in is the law. and have no interest in facts or justice, they will suport each other’s judgement without the need to reveiw and take what a tribunal chaiperson thought over inland revenue facts.CSA will force more unfair and in my veiw down right inaccurate figures through mag courts/ tribunals why because they can, and they get away with it. I feel sure that most father want to pay / take responsibility for their children but the figures used must be right. and clear to understand.
As a side issue could it be that now govenment are looking to save money and in some cases cutting jobs in the civil service. that the real pessure is on csa people to keep their jobs.Being as it costs around 70p in every pound they get in some csa workers may feel the cold wind of the dole them sleeves and in many case’s being out of work causes many family break ups, not wishing that on anyone.
The claim that 3.5 billion is owes up absent fathers is a figure talked up by leaders of the then quango CSA to justify keeping it going and dumb politions who fell for it, over 50% of claimed amount can’t be recovered.
Their are very few specialists in this field of law that an ordinary person can afford or find, even if you win you claim against CSA you will have a hard time getting your costs back.
Charlie,
With regards to the Farley case this did nothing for my ex partner. His Solicitor prepared the papers for court and advised the court that should they proceed with the liability order whilst my partner was still disputing his case would be wrong as quoted by Lord Berkenhead.
CSA claimed he owed over £36,000 then reduced this to £29,000 got him to court so quick (within 1 month). The Judge was horrified when she read his case and told the CSA representative that they could not make him homeless. The Farley case meant nothing as their Representative said whilst he may not owe this debt we do not have to accept 3rd party information. He left his employer in 2005 and his employer sent a letter to the CSA to say he had left. They refused to take this letter in account and continued clocking up the salary until 2010. He did noth have a leg to stand on. Paid almost £10,000 on legal fees. To be honest they are all in on it. Solicitors and CSA. The Judge granted them the liability order on the condition they allow my partner an appeal. The appeal papers arrived 2 days after the court hearing and guess what 4 days after that they got their Liability order. Did not even wait for for the appeal papers from my ex partner.
Better still less than 3 weeks after the liability order they got their charging order and he is now forced to sell his house to pay his ex wife who sits on her arse, claims benefits all her life, has been paid by another ex husband for an arranged marriage and has a lovely Son serving time in Prison for stabbing a man!!!!
My ex partner has always paid for his children and we have been so good with them. Its all down to a very selfish woman who cannot move on and doesnt want her ex husband to have a life.
Can’t wait for a CSA worker to have their house repossesed, when they lose their job and can’t pay their mortgage! Coming your way anytime soon!
Finally, I never said DAD’s! 40% of our client base are men. I said NON RESIDENT PARENT. Big difference. This isn’t about gender in the slightest. If it was about a mother not paying for her child, I mean the exact same thing!
your statement is incorrect and i am a women with step kids to and with the DAD as you put it who has paid 165’000.00 to a bitch who wanted to live mortage free as a maintainance settlement and also paid her 250 per month which she asked for she no longer feels this is enough so has gone to the csa……who is now asking for an order on his wages and because of the amount will not be able to meet his mortgage payments….. so she lives mortagage free and now he will lose his house that he had to remortagage for her……she stopped him seeing his children 3 months ago which he saw 35 hours one week and 28 hours the other, in order to secure more csa we have taken this to court ….more money but a small price in order to see his children who he absolutley adores. and because she has done this he can only see them for a matter of hours to bed the children back in so no over night stays !!! i think the csa are potentially good for fathers like my children father who dont want to pay and go self employed and get away with it like he has 2.50 per week is shocking but thats all they told me they could get as he has declared a very low income although his life style shows different !!!!! CSA have proven they dont want to chase self employed parents as its hassle i had to go through ICE in order for the CSA to acknowledge me after 3 years !!!! i was compensated but that is not the point, CSA have proven if a parent works for a limited company they will chase him quite aggressivley and are clearly not interested in what he has provided for his family in order for them to live finacially free from mortagage and debt, i cconsider this wrong and an absolute farce as CSA claim to help those who cant make the parent take any responsibility i see it as they clearly penilize those that do, CSA need to be shut down as the parents that can avoid paying for there children through loop holes do so no point in the CSA really is there !
A quick comment on the i seized a house….its not something id bragged about and after being involved in both sides of the CSA i think the kind of things you should be bragging about is how you made a difference to a parent obviously playing the system and made it right…..thats job satisfaction .
Comment to the Bossy One 12 Jan 11
Just thought I’d let you know that the battle I mentioned in my first post goes on. The battle is to ensure that he person I’m helping pays only what he properly has to pay, not to get out of paying anything.
The case has now moved to the Independent Case Examiner. Why? Because, as someone in the CSA finally admitted, the people dealing with the case were not competent to answer the questions. So they pushed it into the complaints procedure. They were not qualified to resolve matters either and suggested I went to the ICE.So there we have it – incompetent people handing off a mess of their own making to an independent person. Once we have the binding opinion of the ICE we will then start a campaign to bring the incompetents to book. Why? Because as a taxpayer I object to paying for unaccountable idiots making a misery of someone’s life and gettting away with it.
funny thing about all this i have been on both sides and i say the csa suck for about 5 years i was paying csa about 800 a month and still buy my 2 girls all there needs then one day ex dump me girls on me witch ant a prob i love them to death but when it comes to me clamingt trouble back from csa from the ex its a difrent story nothink but trouble and they dont even look into it i get about 30 a month of me ex she works full time i no this for a fact should be alot more than this but guess what dont work like that and i got sort of an answer of them a while back its because i am a male so guess what you csa are bunch sexest c..t one sided coin fliping wankers
A very shocking comment/rant by that CSA worker.
What all of you don’t understand is that CSA is just a cover name for the Government. The process of extracting money from people is regardless of your gender but it is easier to convince women that when they split up with their men the csa will help and all the stiupid women will suckup to this not knowing that all they will end up with is an extra £20 on top of what they earn the clever women will see through the scum and not involve kids in what went wrong with their relationship. Honestly in the united kingdom today how can a child go hungry?
I offered my ex partner and still do regularly offer her a significant weekly sum, she has the house we bought, with mother and sister happily residing.
I nearly had her agreement to a private agreement but someone, probably the CSA advised her to hang on for arrears…
i refuse to pay a third party with regard anything to do with my son, i do not answer to them and she keeps refusing, they did one DEO on me once and I left the company, now i just go ltd then fold the companies, no accounts, i gave her one last chance to accept a private agreement but she u turned again, so im now in thailand, and will continue to work offshore etc.. until she agrees as I will not pay a third party especially when they treat every person as a criminal, nevermind that I contacted them in the first instance!!! They even have tried to charge me a default amount from when i wasnt in the country, oh you should have told us!!! theyre just crooks, and will be disbanded before long.
I dont really care I have put the money away for my son and will get him his own flat when hes 18 so hecan escape the three witches…
he gets everything he needs from me every time I have him,ieven had to buythe school blazer cap etc.. then she still pushes for CSA
the thing is its greed, she would have had approx 30k over the last five years, instead because of her insistence on CSA and being greedy shes probably had about 2k…….up to her!!! even if i have to start paying soon which i wont, as i have a new wife who i will work for limited company and pay myself minmum wage, house in her name etc…, I am still quids in, and my sonwill get the mon ey directly, notfund an easy life for his mum and sisters…CSA back off….you wont get me!!!!
i dont want to swear but its hard not to. I paid everything i was asked for and more for my children… i became self employed and provided all the information required. then out of the blue i got a letter saying that because of a clerical error i was in arrears… which they wanted to reclaim at an impossible rate. the recession hit and my dad died after a short illness. I just couldnt pay and i couldnt deal with the phone calls during my dads illness. my ex husband expected eighty pounds a week which i just didnt have as a result not only did i have the csa on my back but also harassment from my ex.. I was actually called scum on the phone by an operator from the csa. I gave the business up and now work part time supported by a new partner. I m in court this week. I cant afford legal representation and the only upside is i dont own a house or anything of any value. My ex after 10 years still cant get over the split and the csa is just a tool for him to carry on the abuse he started 25 years ago, He says he wants my money but what he really wants is my misery. The single dads i know just love the role of victim with the terrible mother who left her children. Yes support the children.. but how many pwc want it all ways? they want rid of the person but not the wage packet.
oh yes and here is another shock… mother s you really get my goat..You wont work you winge and bitch when the ex moves on… you have more pricks than a second hand dartboard and then sit there with yur hands held outl Get off your fat arses and get a job yourselves you lazy cows.
Hey JIohn hope it works out for you!!
to The bossy one….. user names are little adverts. We use them sometimes to tell people about ourselves. We dont know you from adam but you want us to know out of all your personality traits that your are bossy. Im not sure if you realise this but bossiness (not sure if that is a word) is not a nice personality trait.the fact that you seem proud of it tells us all we need to knwo.
I had a child with my ex boyfriend and she wasn’t planned but I decided to have her anyway, he is a very flaky guy, a complete waste of space and I had one payment from him through the CSA then he quit his job. She is 4. As I wasn’t married, am in my thirties and although it takes two to tango, I knew he was flaky but still went ahead. My point is if your children were planned and you were married, then yes he should stop moaning and pay but in my position I have given up asking him for anything at all because he always says the usual I have no money, so rather than spend the next 14 yrs begging him for money, we’ll have to make do with clothes or whatever when we get them from him. I live 4 hours from him so we only see him once a month anyway. I will look after my daughter myself and she will know it and disrespect her dad for being a loser that’s good enough for me, he’ll have to live with that as long as he is out of my life i’m happy, the CSA keeps you connected in rows of money for years. If you are in my situation, give up and just think how lucky you are to have your baby/babies full time.
What a bloody mess of emotions this all is. Reading all this is enough to drive anyone to suicide. Which we all know is very true in some cases highlighted on the news about how the CSA conducts itself.
I’ll bet all your local MPs sleep well knowing that you the constituents are bickering amongst yourselves. We have no voice – yet did you all not vote for these arseholes! and into power. The MPs – your local MP enaged with others i.e MP Harriet Harman to kill off men rights and invent this system.
The CSA system is 100% unfair to NRPs mostly men in most cases. To PWCs it is unfair but in alot of cases extremely pro-active and supportive with huge resources at its reach.
EVERYONE GET YOUR MP involved!! NO matter what.
Regardless send them a copy of every letter you send to the CSA.
Don’t let the MP do nothing! Stand up and get the MP over worked with local CSA cases guaranteed and force the issues directly with higher CSA bods.
Please pass this message on.
CSA will only take notice if an MP gets pissed off
Thanks
Brian