I am not on birth cirtificate, do I have to pay CSA?

March 3, 2012

I apparently have a biological child, I have no interest in getting involved as it was after a one night stand and completely against my will. I have never seen the baby and am not named on the birth certificate, there is also a possibility of it being someone elses however it looks like me. As bad as this sounds, I’ve been blunt, can CSA force my to pay CM if asked by the mother to make a claim regardless of me not being on the Birth Certificate?

Essentially can I be liable as the baby has my dna?

Comments

35 Responses to “I am not on birth cirtificate, do I have to pay CSA?”

  1. bri on March 3rd, 2012 12:51 pm

    Simple answer is YES.

    You will be “presumed” as a Non Resident Parent and as such the CSA will now hound you like many others fro money. This is just the start.

    Get a DNA test done to ensure yourself that even if you are the father there is no legal dispute regardless. Even if you don’t want to be involved and I take it that you have had pictures sent to you. You said the child looks like you?

    Anyway I’m sure others will provide you with advice and you can read plenty on here but we need action.

    I’ve started a post called: Proposal: Making legal challenge against CSA

    Good luck and welcome to CSA HELL ;-)

  2. bri on March 3rd, 2012 12:53 pm

    UPDATE: I entered a wrong email address on first post.

    Simple answer is YES.

    You will be “presumed” as a Non Resident Parent and as such the CSA will now hound you like many others fro money. This is just the start.

    Get a DNA test done to ensure yourself that even if you are the father there is no legal dispute regardless. Even if you don’t want to be involved and I take it that you have had pictures sent to you. You said the child looks like you?

    Anyway I’m sure others will provide you with advice and you can read plenty on here but we need action.

    I’ve started a post called: Proposal: Making legal challenge against CSA

    Good luck and welcome to CSA HELL

  3. bri on March 3rd, 2012 12:54 pm

    UPDATE: I entered a wrong email address on first post.

    Simple answer is YES.

    You will be “presumed” as a Non Resident Parent and as such the CSA will now hound you like many others for money. This is just the start.

    Get a DNA test done to ensure yourself that even if you are the father there is no legal dispute regardless. Even if you don’t want to be involved and I take it that you have had pictures sent to you. You said the child looks like you?

    Anyway I’m sure others will provide you with advice and you can read plenty on here but we need action.

    I’ve started a post called: Proposal: Making legal challenge against CSA

    Good luck and welcome to CSA HELL

  4. chall on March 3rd, 2012 1:16 pm

    Michael,

    Given your post, bri is incorrect !

    There are some circumstances when the agency CAN presume parentage ie;

    “We can presume that a person named as the parent of a child is
    the father if they:
    • were married to the child’s mother at any time between the
    date the child was conceived and the date the child was born
    (if the child has not since been adopted), or
    • are named as the father of the child on the child’s birth
    certificate and the child has not been adopted since the birth
    certificate was completed.
    We can presume that the person named as the parent of a child
    is the parent if they:
    • refuse to take a DNA test
    • have taken a DNA test that shows there is no reason to doubt
    that they are the parent
    • have adopted the child
    • are named in a court order as the parent where the child was
    born to a surrogate mother (a woman who has carried the
    child for another person)
    • are, by law, presumed to be the parent of a child born as a result of fertility treatment (under Section 27 or 28 of the
    Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 1990)
    • have been declared the parent in a ‘declaration of parentage’
    made by a court (in Scotland, this is called a ‘declarator of
    parentage’), and the child has not since been adopted, or
    • have been found or judged to be the parent by a court, even
    if parentage was not the central issue of the case. ”

    If the agency have not yet made any contact with you, when they do, you should be given the opportunity to deny parentage. You will then be required to do a DNA test, if it returns positive, yes you will be liable to pay child maintenance for your child and the effective date for your case to commence will be when the agency first made contact with you and arrears will accrue from such.

    chall ~ afairercsaforall

  5. Michael on March 3rd, 2012 1:40 pm

    Wow that’s disguisting

  6. brian on March 3rd, 2012 10:34 pm

    Chall has explained in more detail ;-)

    But I guess either way unless you get a DNA test to prove otherwise the CSA will contact you to start the process.

    Apologies for the double post..and thanks Chall for the correction.

  7. KMcQ80 on March 4th, 2012 10:19 am

    Get a DNA test and it will prove whther or not you are the father.
    As for ‘I apparently have a biological child, I have no interest in getting involved as it was after a one night stand and completely against my will…’[

    Well, WHO should pay for YOUR child?
    Me, members of this forum, pensioners?
    Please tell.

    As for ‘completely against my will’..You’ve been watching too much Benny Hill.
    Get real.

  8. Michael on March 4th, 2012 2:01 pm

    To the post above, you are saying that it is correct for a female to force someone to become a father all because of the “should have worn a condom” excuse even though we now live in a time when womens contraceptive options far out weigh the males.
    And aswell, as far as I know, she wouldn’t be entitles to any less benefits than she is now if I was having to pay.
    Don’t bother starting an argument with me on this because I really will be able to poke holes in every argument you come up with and it will end up in petty name calling…

  9. John on March 4th, 2012 7:09 pm

    Every CSA claim brought about by a parent with care should start with a DNA test. This way the CSA and PWC can’t ‘scam’ the ‘alleged’ non resident parent!

  10. chall on March 5th, 2012 7:30 am

    Michael,

    There is NO argument.
    Unless a person is mentally ill or was raped, both parties we assume were willing at the time.

    You can attempt to ‘poke holes’ in anything you wish, but the fact remains we are ALL adults and ultimately responsible for our own actions.

    chall ~ afairercsaforall

  11. nathan on March 7th, 2012 9:56 pm

    To right I agree with mick. It was you “poking hole’s” in the first place that got you into this trouble in the first place, You should of had a wank instead.You sound like the type to be a W????ER any way! Take on the task of being a parent and grow up, And get a propper relationship going insted of just having one night stand’s.

  12. Michael on March 8th, 2012 12:34 pm

    ^ Exactly what I mean about the name calling, please don’t comment on a situation you know very little about. And get past the stage of thinking that every time a person has sex the main purpose is to breed. Get out of your mind that the male always has to be the big bad one, like the man instegated the sex for his own sexual gratification and caused this baby to happed. Like she lay their prone with a smile on her face servicing my ‘needs’.
    You also need to get the notion of having a one night stand means that it was one night, not many different one night stands.
    And at the age of 19 I don’t think I should be in any kind of “serious” relationship.
    How about women start taking responcability for their own bodies and not have babies with everyone and anyone they can climb aboard.
    How about you keep your nose out if you weren’t going to contribute positively to the original convosation.

  13. Michael on March 8th, 2012 12:39 pm

    Oh and I know full well I’m going to be called a wanker just for pointing out people’s inequal attitudes in the way I have to this.
    Gender Equality works both ways and this is a joke, if a woman by chance gets pregnant even if you use a condom, you’re trapped for the rest of your life, wether you want to be or not.
    All because of her decision, disguisting.
    Internation Womens Day HA don’t make me laugh, half of you are bastards.

  14. Xer on March 9th, 2012 2:38 am

    I have to agree with Michael in part, i am in a similar situation, except that the girl in question with me told me she would take the morning after pill as the agreed form of contraception. I know it takes two and all that but when both parties have agreed to contraception and she then does not take it, even after I have reminded her and offered to pay (after her mother had also given her the money). She then suddenly decides to not take any. Next week she is pregnant and we both agree the best choice is for an abortion, as we are both young and would be foolish to bring a child into the world on a one night stand to two parents who are not together and who have not got the financial means to support the child. She, a week later deciders she wants it promising I would have to pay nothing towards it and she just has always wanted a child. I feel that she has forced me into the situation by lying about the contraception.

  15. Scott on July 8th, 2012 7:22 pm

    I have to agree with Michael also. I now find myself in pretty much the same situation. I was dating a girl for a couple of months and she said she was taking the pill, we ended up having unprotected sex in a heat of the moment situation. Not long after I finished it with her because she’d had arranged a date with someone else. Then about 2 months after this she contacts me to say she’s pregnant and that she’s keeping it. I told her I want nothing to do with the child and that if it is mine then I will pay but I would rather set up a private arrangement than use CSA as CSA rape your paypacket. She didn’t like this idea because I don’t want to play daddy with her. And now I could end up getting stung for paying for a child I didn’t want in the first place. I too think it’s disgusting that a man has no right or say in whether a woman keeps a child or not but has to pay for it anyway. Where the hell are our rights???

  16. Alice on July 9th, 2012 12:30 pm

    It doesnt matter who is right or wrong in a case like this.There is a child involved who wasnt asked to be born.Yes you will have to pay CS until the child has left education,and to be fair to both of you adults why did you not use protection also.Why do some of you men believe and trust the womans word that she has birth control sorted.My son is coming upto 17 years of age and I have sat him down and told him never have sex with any girl unless he uses condoms regardless what the girl says.You cannot be blaming the woman ,it takes two to have a baby and now you must pay for him/her.

  17. robbie hewlett on October 21st, 2012 2:19 pm

    i read this today..as was looking for something on grandparents who have no rights to child who is supposed to be grandchild no dna. no name on birth cerificate. and child looks nothing like my son .i know if girl says he is csa got involved but two years on .no dna and ive seen child once asked to see him but she had to consult her diary .told me dna was going to be done then said hadnt time or energy to prove my son is father so caused heartache to my family .and me who believed i had a grandchild .why do people do this what gives them right to play god with childs life .my son admits he did have sex with her but she also has another child whos father and family are not involved with her either .why do these girls do it to people its cruel and unkind to people who would have loved the child

  18. alex reddy on February 28th, 2013 7:57 pm

    alice so you are basically saying dont trust women they are all out to impregnate themselves, coming from a woman alice ? an agreement between two adults that one will use conrtraceptives should stand, why should men who have been conned have to hand over there hard earned money for some sick slag who wants a council place, ruining the guys future to have children with someone who is not sick in the head, some woman should be forced to have an implant ! so is it ok to not tell a woman that you have got aids, cause a child you don’t want which drains your money can be just as damaging to the health as aids can, so fuck it you woman lie about kids we will give them aids !!!! and i am being sarcastic you dumb cow

  19. Shell on March 8th, 2013 3:44 pm

    If you are to arrange the csa payments through csa and explain you were paying but would like to now do it through csa they won’t back date it because your the one to start it only will they backdate it is if the mother goes to csa first. And I agree with the man in question, my husband is in the same situation and his ex he was in a relationship with for 11 months she said she was on the pill but wasn’t his child is 2 and he pays csa but isn’t allowed to see him she won’t let him his name isn’t on the birth certificate so he has not rights what so ever I don’t think women should be allowed to have any money off the farther unless they have joint custody of the child. It’s wrong for women to use children as weapons but they do. The thing is even with your name not on the birth certificate csa can still have your money but if you ever change your mind and want to know your child you won’t have any rights so no matter weather you want anything to do with the child they can still have your money so I’d make sure your names in the birth certificate just gives you a few more rights if you ever want to know the baby and I agree a one night stand isn’t a commitment to have a child so yeah I’m with you completely on this to be honest x

  20. Linda on March 11th, 2013 12:33 pm

    as a man you have a choice as to whether or not you have a baby, that is to put on a condom or not. if you choose t o not use a condom then you know full well that a baby might be created. No woman forces you to not use a condom against your will. The decision to have a baby begins and ends with a condom but it is still a decision that is completely within the power of a male to make. Blaming the woman does not erase your own decision to not prevent a baby. No woman should ever hold entire responsibility for contraception and no female contraception prevents spread of disease like a condom either. do you even realise the health risks the contraceptive pill has?
    if you dont want a baby dont have unprotected sex and if you do dont go blamig anyone else for what you chose to do!
    if you want to sit there and say that women should take responsibilities for their own bodies then men should take respopnsibility for their own sperm!

  21. Cat on April 6th, 2013 3:21 pm

    Sex can equal a child. If you really don’t want any chance of a child then don’t have sex. It’s not a hard concept to grasp. Accept responsibility for your own decisions.

  22. ltir14325 on April 9th, 2013 9:44 pm

    geeze I feel for the men, the girl who is pregnant with my child has openly admitted to ‘fuckied you while you were asleep!’ as a man, I have no idea what to tell the authorities!?

  23. rachel on April 28th, 2013 11:21 am

    im 23 was in a commited relationship for over 5 yeas and doesn’t stop the w****r walking out on me 5 months pregnant and ignoring all my calls. I am now left with a baby boy to raise alone and I do get help of the csa even tho he doesn’t see the little one. you made the mistake you need to pay for it.

  24. goodie000 on May 21st, 2013 4:43 pm

    Oh my there are some really opinionated oxymorons out there.

    Contraception is not 100% guaranteed. Are you that thick to understand that a condom carries risk and is slightly less effective than the pill or the implant in terms of percentage rate. Some of you should read the back of these packets. Where does it state it’s guaranteed 100%?

    Plus your telling me you have never had a condom split on you? Lmao

    Get a grip an stop trying to be politically correct.

    The decision to have a baby lies solely with a woman, it is her body and she is the one who has all the rights to the child!

    When the law changes to start defending the rights of the man/father then you can all start being politically correct. There is no democracy when it comes to children and parent, the mother wins hands down in this current society.

    If you want men to start paying for there children instead of the government handouts then do more to try and change the inequalities of rights that a father has. When it becomes 50/50 then maybe the CSA will no longer be heard of!

  25. David on June 17th, 2013 10:06 am

    I popped on here to see how my mate can get out of paying CSA and was hoping for some decent advice but it just looks like an extension of your family disputes which isn’t very helpful, so thanks for that.

    For those that are interested, all I’ve found so far is for the father to leave the country, which my friend is willing to do but as a last resort, in my opinion this country has gone to the dogs and that should be his first port of call.

    I’m sure everyone has a different set of circumstances but I think most of these issues could be solved by issuing licences to breed, those licences should be expensive to deter people from adopting “a benefit way of life” and require 2 committed parents to enter into that licence. Just to be sure I’d probably make a literacy and numeracy test mandatory for the licence as well!

    Of course, people will choose to have babies without licences but in doing so they should forfeit all rights to any benefits (not just CSA) and be regularly assessed to see if they are meeting the needs of the child, if not, take it off them.

    Some might think this is controversial but I assure you compared to my other ideas such as irradiating “kappa” clothing or spiking “white lightning” with some sort of infertility drugs then it is very timid.

    Wish you all the best of luck!

    David

  26. Emma on July 30th, 2013 7:01 pm

    I just think its not the child’s fault. Both parents are to blame. If you have sex you are potentially creating a child, no contraception is 100%. Think there are some cruel women out there that do go out of there way to get pregnant however there are also some genuine mistakes and a woman shouldn’t have to go through the physical and emotional pain of an abortion to save the man some cash. As the girlfriend of a guy who pays CSA for a child he doesn’t see by a girl who forced a pregnancy on him I get how unfair it can be on the father but I just don’t see a fair way around it without the child suffering.

  27. sharon on November 9th, 2013 11:07 am

    My son finds himself in the same situation he had a drunken one night stand with a woman he had knowing on and off for three years he saw once in a blue moon when they where out.
    she has five children by 3 different men already which to me says a lot.
    one father has custody of two off his children the others the fathers are not in there life’s.
    she lives on benefits in the past she told my son she couldn’t get pregnant as she had a miscarriage 4 years early and there had been complications and she could never have any more children.
    my son has always made it plain he never wanted to be a dad and she was fully aware of this.
    it dose take two to create another life and my son excepts he will pay maintenance for a very long time to come he trusted this woman.
    He has Learnt the hard way no matter how drunk you are do not jump in bed with out wrapping it first.
    no matter how much you trust the woman never believe they are telling you the truth I am not saying all women are like this they are not.
    she had her own motives to getting pregnant and dare I say entrapping my son was one of them as much as I would like to give the other reason ins I can’t at this stage due to legal reasons.
    my son is not name on the birth certificate so he has no legal rights to see or be part of his son’s life.
    Yes he did not want to be a dad but that choice was took away from him the child is here now but the law says says tough you must pay for the mother to sit at home doing nothing why you work your butt off but you don’t have any rights how can that be fair.
    A DNA test has just been done and he is the father and is quite happy to pay for he’s son but he had no choice in becoming a father so I’m sorry to say but I agree with a lot of the men on hear who where lied too I do think it should be a joint decision to bring a child in to this world there are a lot of girls and women out there who no what they are doing and get them self ‘s pregnant on purpose
    and I think the law should be changed so that if a DNA test proves you are the father then you should be granted the same rights as the mother if this is what you want

  28. sarah on December 10th, 2013 11:08 pm

    When i was in my relationship i was atually on the pill and i still got caught. Pregnant so ovouisly the pill isnt 100% effective either so dont you fink men should protect themselves. Aswell??? My childs father walked out on us when he was 4 months old and said he doesnt want nothing to do with him, so damn right i rang csa he created him wiv me so why should he pay 4 his son regardless. Weather he sees him or not. The fact off the matter is u created the child so step up to the responsibilities u now have. What i dont understand is why men dont want to know or see there flesh and blood doesnt make sence to me.

  29. jo on December 11th, 2013 9:53 am

    Sarah, at the end of the day women have a say whether a child is born or not. You’re right men should also protect themselves but even condoms are not 100% effective and if a woman falls pregnant a man has no say whether to be a father or not….this is why some men do not want a relationship with their child especially to a woman who went ahead and had a baby without his knowledge or consent.

  30. Lisa on December 11th, 2013 2:23 pm

    Some women have no pride, this government has created a monster, go to CSA then you can be a lazy bitch live off the state and not contribute towards your kids, benefits isn’t contributing that’s the whole country paying and your ex subsidising your lifestyle because CSA say so, having a child and trapping a man into paying for a child he neither asked for or wanted is morally wrong, just shows how a woman can have the upper hand to just take take take, and to top it off a woman doesn’t have to register a name on the birth cert tell the CSA any name regardless of whether he is the dad wreck his life and there is no come backs on her when in reality it’s fraud, what a morally wrong society we have become

  31. N kelly on January 22nd, 2014 10:40 am

    I tell you what’s “DISGUSTING” all you people who avoid providing for you children. If you didn’t want a child, you should have been more careful using contraception. I am fortunate enough to have children with a father who voluntarily provides, however some women are left on their own.

    Women do have a say whether a child is born or not, but being a so called “MAN” you will never know the true pain an abortion brings a woman. Physically and mentally.

    I have a friend who claims CSA but isn’t a “LAZY BITCH – Claiming off the state” She works damn hard to provide for her children – however, her children are still entitled to money from their father for an even better upbringin.

    I agree some women see it as a scape goat – which is morally wrong
    I agree some people paying CSA deserve not too. However, these broadcasted opinions are all aimed at people you don’t know and only wanted your advice! Not to be abused online about your opinion.

    In my opinion and advice – if I was in a situation now where my ex husband stopped voluntarily giving our children financial assistance, I would make the process legally through CSA. As I work 40hours a week. Provide. And so should he!!!

  32. E on January 31st, 2014 11:27 am

    I came across this post accidentally and have to say its heartbreaking. I am 8 months pregnant, work 48-55 hrs a week and my partner of 3 yrs left me, he asked for space to think as he didn’t want the baby but after a previous miscarriage I couldn’t bear to give up our child. During the time he needed space he agreed to pay maintenance, to come to the birth and to put his name on the birth certificate, during which time he said he was still in love with me. Now, overnight he wants nothing to do with the baby, says there is nothing between us anymore and he has ignored me for over a week acting like neither me or his child exist anymore.

    Whether a one night stand or a long term relationship it’s the children who suffer, they are the ones who will have to feel the pain of being unwanted. Arguments over maintenance are ridiculous, providing is just the start of parenting and i would urge anyone being harsh enough to consider not contributing towards the upbringing of their children to actually stop and think about how their own flesh and blood will feel one day when they realise they are hated by the people they need the most. Accidents happen, be responsible and realise what children need more than anything is to be loved and cared for!

  33. mlv on February 6th, 2014 5:08 pm

    Every time you have sex, you need to be prepared to bear the consequences, including fathering a child even if you didn’t want to. Simple.
    I’ve always had this attitude,band anyone who doesn’t is an irresponsible idiot.

  34. Kerry on March 9th, 2014 10:49 am

    I agree with most of the men in here. My fiancé had a one night stand with someone he had known most of his life, a lot of rumours started an when the baby was born my fiancé payed for a DNA test, she tried to fake it by putting it in her mouth as she cheated on her boyfriend an told all his an her family that her boyfriend wS the dad. HE is not on the birth certificate. My fiancé then again payed and done another DNA test which came back 99.9% positive he was the father. She won’t let him pay as she doesn’t want him in there daughters lives. They have been to court 4 times so far and still hasn’t got any access to his child, the judge said you need to wait till she is 5 so she can understand, which will be November this year. Me a my partner have a child an both work full time where as she sits on her arse claiming benefits, when it goes back to court we will have to pay again and she will get legal aid, also we well have to pay for 5 years of his daughters life, all because she’s a bitch who cheated on her boyfriend….. How is that fair?

  35. Jodie on March 14th, 2014 2:31 pm

    I think it’s disgusting the whole csa thing fair enough u pay for ur kids but to the extent of how much they take off a father is disgusting. How is it a woman can move on with her life have new partner his money n take off the guy csa would leave the guy with nothing even when they have moved on and had more kids they take money for the ex but there’s not same amount left for the other child that lives with him so basically they’ll take money out ov one household sayin it’s for benefit of his child so one household is happy n the other lives on breadline so much for the upbringing of ur kids when the one that lives with them is punished I think all money from both sides should be considered because defeats the object taking from one child to give another. So ok they say u won’t pay as much when u have other kids so for example payments are £48 but if you have one child living with you it would be £43 so you have to pay £43 to one but the other gets £5 . A guy would be basically unable to give the child he lives with same amount of money and that’s not even including bills the guy pays or if he’s the only earner in household. And god forbid he didn’t work n you was married to the guy the ex can basically take from the new partner but it’s not same for the woman and her new partner men no rights woman all rights it’s wrong and unfair

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