How to beat the CSA


The CSA, or Child Support Agency, claims to be putting children first and is interested in getting payments to children. This of course is not true, as the complaints about the CSA from both non resident parents and parents with care prove – complaints that can be read on this website.

Children would be much better off if the CSA were not involved and a private arrangement were made between parents concerning the payment of maintenance. This is in fact the best way to beat the CSA. If you are your ex can come to an agreement on how much should be paid, and how often, you can leave the Child Support Agency out of the equation, saving a lot of stress and heartache for all concerned.

Of course, you must be careful to record all payments and keep a signed agreement between you both. Never pay in cash, and always pay in a way that keeps a paper trail, such as a direct debit or BACS transfer.

This is one way to beat the CSA, but when some fathers ask how can they beat the CSA they mean how can they avoided payment to the CSA altogether. This isn’t advised because your children need your support, but there ways to reduce your payments so that the CSA doesn’t get as much as they wish.

For example, you could complete a variations form so that the CSA has to take your expenses involved with access to your children into consideration. You could become self employed so that your daily expenses are treated as tax deductable, reducing your declared earnings – or you could leave the country altogether, where the CSA has limited powers and generally will not bother with the hassle of pursuing you.

The CSA wants easy targets – NRPs in full time employment so they can issue a deduction from earnings order. Beat the CSA at their own game.

Comments

69 Responses to “How to beat the CSA”

  1. Sir Gordon on August 4th, 2016 10:54 am

    CSA is a disaster, from Day One. And I can’t fathom how the people that work there go home at night satisfied.

    There are wasteful individuals in our society using this system to their convenience, to steal hard earnings from good ad honest people, whilst claim all other level of assistance, working minimal hours and the rest. If you find yourself in a higher wage bracket it is +%%. So why should a “wasteful individual” who personally has a new home (with Claims), New car and goes as please when the child appears in poor attire, seconds and bargain bin offers. Feeding of another’s blood, sweat and tears.

    The CSA only bolsters those “non contributors” life style. We jail people in court for the same belligerence. Yet we punish the worker, the contributor and up standing person CSA / Child Maintenance. Clear the system has been created by “idiots”, very evident by is end result and outputs.

    I agree on a system, though the correct process must be in place with simple parameters and characteristics, The new 2014 20% punishment on the new scheme is a disgrace. The approver(s) should be shot. If the mother does not agree to a fair amicable amount within reason and goes for her on greed. The payer is then further punished with 20%. Even CSA staff voice there disgruntlement about this and are embarrassed.

    We “Mess” around with silly laws, break our economy, waste money on events rather than our infrastructure, but yet they cannot address correcting the CSA / maintenance topic with common sense and a system that is fair balancing equality of life.

    What ever happen to equal rights ……… but yet the Sherriff Clark can refuse on the basis “The child is too young to stay with his father” ….. after you blow 000’s to see your child breath. What a disgrace ….. the child’s father has joint responsibility and psychologically the child needs best of both equal to support a robust and stable upbringing. We live in a country where idiots place idiots in front of them and do not have the balls to do what is equally right, logically and balance equality.

    1. There should be a review (21st Century permits even a conference facility)
    2. There should be a cap at the current standard of living. If One exceed, then this at one’s own effort
    3. % applied if under the “Cost of Living”
    4. Divisible by Child
    5. Penalty to the non-agree’r providing there is a fair and amicable proposal

    I have no issue providing for my child, though I need to see him to do so for soft and hard purposes. Not because of a whim to say no, attempt to control and bolster greed.

    Proposal :

    If everyone likeminded donates and collaborates with justice for fathers in the UK, we can take the parliament to court repeatedly with queens councillors. The government will soon break, press will sound publish facts, All publish proof from there experiences and those people being buried under the poorest attempt of administration there is today will be heard. People are jailed for these outcomes in other circumstance or fired from jobs for these failures and poor performance.

    Its theft, its not equal, is poorly defined ………..

  2. Ian Watkin on September 1st, 2016 7:28 pm

    The CSA have ruined everything. Had an agreement with the Ex for payments, i got new girlfriend, the Ex then told CSA I had not made any payments for 92 weeks. I asked if hadn’t made any payments why would she complain now and not 2 or 3 weeks after missed payments started. This is regardless of the fact that I had been buying children things they need too (with receipts to prove to it). If I wanted to contest the 5500 alleged missed payments through the courts, I’ve been told it would probably cost me around £10 to £12 thousand pounds. It seems her drug habit, drinking habit and the importance of getting more and more tattoo’s didn’t even come into significance. Treated like a criminal. Now I have had to have an attachment of earnings because the ex won’t let me pay by D/Debit. I have had the privilege of earning to provide for my children taken away from me. The CSA have said that I have no legal obligation to provide a single thing for my children as my payments secure this. What good is that to me when the children are still asking me for things they need, not want, and I can’t buy it because I’m skint. But she’s still getting pissed and stoned. She has two previous children and gets small payment from previous Ex’s dole money. Can i be assured that my money is solely being spent on my children, can I bollocks. What an absolute fucked up, one sided, unfair system. My brother hung himself aged 33 because these fucking idiots wouldn’t listen to what he was saying.

  3. Darryl on September 6th, 2016 6:43 pm

    Omg Ian Watkins, everyone, this is a disgrace I know this pain only too well, being used for cash to feed the exes new partners crack and drinking habit, been to local mp, got nothing, pleaded with them got no where and they are at it again now,I need to know something…does my boss have to acknowledge I work with his firm, I still feel very unsure where they are aloud to get information from, my old boss said I didn’t work there and they went away but I’ve changed job now they want more, problem I have is my eldest now lives with me and they still want money for arrears and another child,what do I do for Christmas, birthdays, holidays, days out, while her fuck up mum who buys her £30 of shit from a catalogue, every special occasions,..whilst I’m sending her £80 a week with arrears, then second child who I don’t get to see because her free loading cheating manipulative mother decides to up sticks one day without a fucking goodbye gets on the blower and joins the bandwagon, thing they only do it out of spite and that’s what sucks I could go on,but I’ve told those cunts overseas a few times I hope they rest well in their beds knowing they are putting a father of two and a plus 1 out of work, utterly immoral and a damned disgrace… I do apologise for the language but this is a very stressful and emotional and live changing topic…somebody help the children

  4. Chris on October 10th, 2016 8:00 pm

    The new cms “arranges” the amount I’m forced to pay each year. The system is a disgrace the staff are rude and clueless. I have my son a third of the time, I tried for 50% but being a father the court wouldn’t give that of course. So I’m forced to pay almost £4000 per year that’s about £24 per night she has him over me. She receives full benefits for him while I get not one pence from anywhere and she provides nothing. She openly laughs about using the money for soliciters to stop me seeing my son. Fathers and children should be treated fairly, the system is welfare for women and a fine for fathers.

  5. Mick McKinney on October 12th, 2016 12:54 pm

    My CSA arrangement came to an end on 30th September. No surprises, the ex, decided to start a CMS claim, meaning her £294 a month that I pay, will rise to £460. I have 3 young boys at home and that is roughly 25% of my net income. Now she is also lying about the days I have my daughters which is easily 110 days a year, so that she can get the even higher band of £560 a month, even though I have told her that £560 will screw me and my family financially. To be clear, I am happy to pay £460 a month….CMS said that if they have to ultimately decide they will take her word for it and not mine….f******* outrageous. A few years ago, she was in a car crash (her fault) put my kids in hospital……..a month after coming out of hospital, she put a new claim in and bought a car to replace the one she had written off. She has now jacked her job in to go to college, doesnt need to work with the money she;s getting off me.. I get absolutely no say in my daughters upbringing, education etc and has told me only to ever contact her if it’s an emergency………….I f****** hate her, thank god I only have 3 years left…..the system definitely favours the receiving parent (99% women I reckon) rant over

  6. Gavin briscoe on October 16th, 2016 12:49 am

    What happened to equal rights. In my eyes this ismore sexest than anything ever the law needs to be changed

  7. Luke on October 18th, 2016 10:31 am

    I am absolutely disgusted by the way they treat fathers in this “organisation” meant for “Helping” people. I had been contacted through a Deductions from Earnings Order to my workplace which first of all caused a huge amount of embarrassment but most importantly the letter itself had been addressed to an old address which I had never received, nobody had contacted me about this whatsoever.

    The fact I hadn’t even known about my daughter for the past 8 1/2 years apparently is beside the point in their eyes, the fact i’m not on the birth certificate is irrelevant to them also and that my current outgoings are far mar than the amount they are demanding that I pay, £364 p/m.

    The miscommunication is absolutely staggering considering the extremely precious circumstances surrounding the situation. Nothing more than bully Debt Collecters disguised as “advisers and mediators”. The law is completely biased in favor of the mother and the power ultimately lies with her. I now face being made homeless, jobless and with no means to support my own child that I had known nothing about for the past 8 years or so.
    This is an absolute joke and they are easily contributing to a suicidal increase in males, me potentially being one of them, and they seem completely unwilling to listen or reason to anything.

    I eventually came to a Family Based Arrangement with the mother which was settled amicably and peacefully with prospects looking good, that was until CMS contacted her and completely misled and construed the information that they had and this ultimately lead to the relationship and arrangement breaking down. I have spoken to 7 different people in CMS, one person named Rachel categorically telling me that the case was settled and everything would be removed from my employer, I requested that she contact the Mother to let her know this has all been settled and then all of a sudden I receive a torrent of abuse from her telling me that CMA have told her something completely different.

    Not only have I now paid her £164.00 as agreed upon a Family Arrangement, but CMS are now telling me they are still continuing with the Deduction from Earning Order which is going to leave me in a crippling debt. I cannot pay my rent or my living bills. I have no extravagant expenses and yet they couldn’t care less.

    I have also been researching everywhere to see where a Father can go for advice and low and behold, nothing. Mothers advice is in abundance, but fathers? Think again!

    This whole system is absolutely corrupt, tarring every dad with the same brush of a few that do in fact do runners. Sexist springs to mind quite heavily. If I was to treat someone in a religion the same way they treat Males it would be spread all across the news and be absolute uproar.

    This law needs to change, and fast. I will be doing everything I can to appeal this and also seek legal advice on how I can take this further through the courts. Equal Rights? I think not.

  8. P mann on October 24th, 2016 7:56 am

    Fathers moaning and groaning about how much you pay to support your children. You are deluded. When your child lives with mother and is sick do you lose a days or weeks money taking time off? No . You always have it easy! If you share a child you should share your wages and Stop complaining!!!

  9. Ed Vtu on October 25th, 2016 12:22 am

    You have COMPLETELY missed the point !
    Rather than ranting about maintenance avoidance these posts are about the complete lack of parity in an unfair system. If you knew anything about the CMS you would understand that as well as the depression dealing with such an organisation can bring on. I think it is you who is deluded or perhaps you are part of the problem ….

  10. Marc Peterson on October 25th, 2016 8:23 am

    i got issued a CMS letter in December stating I was earning 85k ayear I got rejected on 2occasions but the matter of the fact is I’ve had a 60% pay cut but still rejected so they put me in arreas as I don’t work every week I work month on month off so only work 6 months ayear. They are taking £507 aweek every week if I work or not, if there isn’t a pay slip theyput it in to the arreas pot! I’ve told them straight if you carry on taking my hard earned cash then I will be forced to stop work and basically not earn a penny in turn force me onto the streets as I will be forced to sell up!! I have a family of my own so forcing them also on the streets! Ive even been to the MPS they gave them all details even the payments they should be taking based on my earnings but still don’t change it. The other day I got 2letters of apology from the cms stating they should of reviewed my accounts months ago but failed on two occasions to pick up on this appeal, they apologise they ask me for my accountants details so they can organise this quickly then I rang them last night there now wanting a self assessment for my self employment records, I don’t work self employment I’m PAYE. So what the hell and why are they more bing the goal posts to reduce this income based on Facts not fiction. They seem to want information that doesn’t exist just so they can take my earnings! Absolut joke and I hope the people who made up this stupid system have the worse case of death inflicted because I’ve had 11 months of pure hell with these disgusting filthy bastards!

  11. Reece on October 25th, 2016 5:05 pm

    Fuck the system! If she dont take direct payments and let me see my kids on set weekends ill shut my accounts down buy a caravan and quit work.

  12. Richard on October 26th, 2016 11:40 am

    My arrangement came to an end this June, as my son turned 16. Shock horror, my ex raised a new claim. For the first time in 7-8 yrs, we actually spoke (quite amicably as well), and decided to come to our own arrangement. Everyone happy…or so I thought.
    Out of the blue, I have just received a bill from the CSA for £103 for the first claim!! I was completely up to date with payments, my monthly payments were more than this, and my ex said she received all payments…so seems like they have just pulled a figure out of thin air, to bill me with!
    I completely agree with all the above comments. CSA is just a money-making scam. Setup to side only with the person trying to claim, with no interest or regard for the paying parent. And I’m sorry, but no-one will tell me that the CSA arent making anything out of it!

  13. William Negus on November 5th, 2016 7:35 pm

    The CMS system is being used as a weapon by my vile ex-wife, all because I now after 5 years of being divorced because of her adultary have a new girlfriend. The rubbish system doesn’t take into account I had to remortgage to buy her out of the home and the 50/50 parental agreement as part of the divorce is not accepted as evidence by the CMS. They treat you like a criminal and even tho my ex has an annual household income of £200k I” the one who has to pay because they take her word that there is no existing agreement. I then provide copies of it and because it’s a statement of arrangement for children which was part of the divorce, The CMS refuse to recognise it as it’s not an actual court order!!! Even though it is signed by both parties and been stamped in a court of law!!!
    They now estimated payments of £1k a month, which means I’m forced into severe hardship and now have to sell my house and all the stress has caused me to loose my job. This means that I can no longer have my son as I have nowhere to live and no money to live on either, whilst his vile mother sits there laughing!!!
    The system is only supporting vindictive mothers in my opinion and as for my local MP well he’s too busy to even see me to discuss it along with the ‘cheat’ that the CMS has educated her to become classed as lead parent as they just can’t accept a 50/50 arrangement. The cheat is for her to claim child benefit to get a tick in the box to be classed as lead parent despite it being 50/50….£200k a year income and she claims child benefit FFS, but when I challenge this I find she said I didn’t exist on her claim to the child benefit people and as they can only pay to one parent and she claimed it first I’m fucked!!!! Nobody cares she has an annual household income of £200k and I have zero, not the child benefit agency or the CMS, they both say her household income is irrelevant!!!!!
    So thanks to her lies and cheats I’m now fucked!!!!

  14. Adrian on November 10th, 2016 2:34 pm

    If CSA methodology were taught in high school, we’d all be celibate and societal deadbeats living the DLA dream!

  15. Lindg on November 26th, 2016 12:37 pm

    I’m a single mum and these comments make me were. It’s so unfair that good fathers get penalised because they’re easy targets and ones like my own dead beat Ex have the system worked and avoid paying completely. I had no complaints about the CSA, they fought for my kids and endured they took every step to ensure they got a minimum payment from him, even though most of his hours are worked cash in hand and untraceable. I got that, was grateful for the little I received but now the child maintenance service have taken over they’ve allowed him to go to direct pay despite my protests that he nearly killed me when we were together, attempted to strangle my then nine year old son who tried to defend me and has a history with the CSA of non payment. The snotty Agent I spoke to informed me he’d been very responsible and agreed instantly to direct pay!! Of course he did.. He never had any intention of paying a penny. I was advised to Contact him myself despite my protests that I hadn’t spoken to him in five years and he’d even blocked me on social media incase I got any information on his cash in hand employments. I’m not a greedy ex partner living on benefits. I work a 44 hour week to support my kids. They’re teenagers now, they cost money. I don’t go out, I can’t afford to and working these long, long hours means that any time I’m off work I need to spend that time with my kids not another man, despite many asking me over these five long years and if truth be told I’m terrified of another man turning out to be as much of an abuser, both physically and mentally as my Ex was. In effect when he left my kids lost both parents because I had to go out to work and take as many hours as God sent so that we could stay on breadline level. My sympathy go out to those of you Fathers who put their children first and I’m so sorry you are being penalised because dead beats like my own Ex exist. There is simply no justice…

  16. Adrian on November 29th, 2016 11:47 am

    Please, Please…someone with computer internet skill, devise an email that can be sent around the UK soliciting for 100,000 signatures to be collated and forwarded to Parliament to have the CSA replaced by a humane organisation that will have some accountability to the public for the welfare of children. The recipient parent must prove via receipts every month that the monies remitted from the estranged parent actually are spent for the welfare of the child (children). If this can’t be substantiated, the money should be withheld in escrow. Too many stories flying around about the corruption, fraud and abuse that exists within the CSA’s system of ironclad power hold over the lives of decent wage earners. What about the hundreds of children that haven’t got ‘soft target’ parents with jobs that can readily be tracked down via the enforcement authorities. Are we not already paying twice through our income taxes to support our own flesh and blood as well as anonomized foster kids whose skumbag parents can’t be located and held to task by the CSA because they went underground? Get the petition started!!!

  17. Andy on December 1st, 2016 7:21 am

    My 2kids spent they childhood in Jamaica for 15 year and child support contact me 2014 to say I own £33,000 I phone them and told them so. Was told it would be investigated, I heard nothing for 2years then, in august of this year £206 came out my wage leave me with £209 for the month in September ,October, same thing leave me with £209 each month I am now in rent arrears, the car I drive to work I got stop on Monday this week for drivIng without insurance what can £209 do for a month. To top it all my mother lives in Jamaica came to England in October for my nieces wedding her first grandchild, bought a letter up from my kids primary school stating they enrolled there in 2002 with both children’s name and date of birth, I then get a call from child support saying if this is so then attachments to earning will stop. Yesterday I got paid child support has taken £260 left me with £209 again.I was on the phone with them for 2 hours. They are saying that the letter is not proof enough and fraud has been committed, because for those 15 years child benefit has been paid I then asked to who they said the mother . But I am liable so they take the money from me I need help if any one out there can because this is foolishness

  18. natalie on December 1st, 2016 8:23 am

    Every father that is moaning is a joke!! My ex partner choses not to see our son has not sent him a bday or Xmas card in 3 years the new csa are a joke! He owes over 1700 in unpaid mainatnce and earns 500 a week before tax and I get 50 per week 40 regular and 10 to arrears I need to wait 5 years to get the 1700 back he owed threw csa for sending fake wage slips in cms say they can’t make him pay more he would rather get full of drink and drugs than pay me the money he owes our son total twat !!

  19. Mandy on December 1st, 2016 12:13 pm

    I can relate to paying and none paying parents I was a single mum for 4 years and my ex didn’t like paying for our daughter but I didn’t moan I got on with it I still allowed him to see her on he’s days because the simple fact is we get free money (working tax child tax child benefit) on top of our wages plus sometimes a reduction in rent and council tax men with no child get a wage that’s it and many of only minimum wage witch is hard to live on as it is some women are just money grabbers who claim just to hurt the fathers I know this from my current partner who has to pay for he’s 2 children who he doesn’t get to see while he’s exes have new boyfriend’s with plenty of money the system is all wrong my boyfriend will be better off not working! Yes parents should pay for their children if they are financially able to some men just simply can’t afford to pay the amount they are been forced to pay!

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