Comments on: How to avoid the CSA http://www.csahell.com/how-to-avoid-the-csa-180.html Child Support Agency Advice and Complaints Wed, 08 Feb 2012 10:07:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Gabrial http://www.csahell.com/how-to-avoid-the-csa-180.html/comment-page-3#comment-16756 Gabrial Thu, 02 Feb 2012 03:51:33 +0000 http://www.csahell.com/?p=180#comment-16756 There's hope chaps I was evicted from my children's life, my wife left with me with a non mol order on my lap. Through the courts i have all but cleared my name and have gone for custody of my 2 awesome kids. The Cafcass report was damning against her and both kids pleaded to live with me and my now new partner. Although my ex was a cow and thought that one overnight a fortnight was enough, and ive paid my CSA dilligently as i dont want my kids to miss out despite me only earning a fraction of the 32k she does, the tables are turning. I have now been awarded 5 nights a fortnight with a review to see if the kids still want to live with me........ if so in 3 months they will be allowed. CSA have been less than helpfull throughout all this but we do all have an obligation, as i will find when i am able to turn the tables and ask for payments from my lying ex. There are ways to get out of things, such as the route im having to take, as i unfortunately work for my ex's father who has made my life a misery for the last year. Not for long though as i have enough now to take him and the company to tribunal. It just goes to show that, in some cases the lovely partners we all once had that turned out to be evil money grabbing cows do get their just desserts some times.... just a thought to cheer some of you up There’s hope chaps
I was evicted from my children’s life, my wife left with me with a non mol order on my lap. Through the courts i have all but cleared my name and have gone for custody of my 2 awesome kids.
The Cafcass report was damning against her and both kids pleaded to live with me and my now new partner.
Although my ex was a cow and thought that one overnight a fortnight was enough, and ive paid my CSA dilligently as i dont want my kids to miss out despite me only earning a fraction of the 32k she does, the tables are turning.
I have now been awarded 5 nights a fortnight with a review to see if the kids still want to live with me…….. if so in 3 months they will be allowed.

CSA have been less than helpfull throughout all this but we do all have an obligation, as i will find when i am able to turn the tables and ask for payments from my lying ex.

There are ways to get out of things, such as the route im having to take, as i unfortunately work for my ex’s father who has made my life a misery for the last year. Not for long though as i have enough now to take him and the company to tribunal.

It just goes to show that, in some cases the lovely partners we all once had that turned out to be evil money grabbing cows do get their just desserts some times…. just a thought to cheer some of you up

]]> By: Brian http://www.csahell.com/how-to-avoid-the-csa-180.html/comment-page-3#comment-16502 Brian Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:42:08 +0000 http://www.csahell.com/?p=180#comment-16502 EVERYONE GET YOUR MP involved!! NO matter what. Regardless send them a copy of every letter you send to the CSA. Don’t let the MP do nothing! Stand up and get the MP over worked with local CSA cases guaranteed to piss them off and force the issues directly with higher CSA bods. Please pass this message on. CSA will only take notice if an MP gets pissed off Thanks Brian EVERYONE GET YOUR MP involved!! NO matter what.
Regardless send them a copy of every letter you send to the CSA.

Don’t let the MP do nothing! Stand up and get the MP over worked with local CSA cases guaranteed to piss them off and force the issues directly with higher CSA bods.

Please pass this message on.
CSA will only take notice if an MP gets pissed off

Thanks
Brian

]]> By: chall http://www.csahell.com/how-to-avoid-the-csa-180.html/comment-page-3#comment-16474 chall Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:04:16 +0000 http://www.csahell.com/?p=180#comment-16474 Ian, You may be able to get a variation to child maintenance re the debt, if you meet the criteria, but you will need to apply for such. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2001/156/part/III/made Special expenses—prior debts 12.—(1) Subject to the following paragraphs of this regulation and regulation 15, the repayment of debts to which paragraph (2) applies shall constitute expenses for the purposes of paragraph 2(2) of Schedule 4B to the Act where those debts were incurred— (a)before the non-resident parent became a non-resident parent in relation to the qualifying child; and (b)at the time when the non-resident parent and the person with care in relation to the child referred to in sub-paragraph (a) were a couple. (2) This paragraph applies to debts incurred— (a)for the joint benefit of the non-resident parent and the person with care; (b)for the benefit of the person with care where the non-resident parent remains legally liable to repay the whole or part of the debt; (c)for the benefit of any person who is not a child but who at the time the debt was incurred— (i)was a child; (ii)lived with the non-resident parent and the person with care; and (iii)of whom the non-resident parent or the person with care is the parent, or both are the parents; (d)for the benefit of the qualifying child referred to in paragraph (1); or (e)for the benefit of any child, other than the qualifying child referred to in paragraph (1), who, at the time the debt was incurred— (i)lived with the non-resident parent and the person with care; and (ii)of whom the person with care is the parent. (3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to repayment of— Effect on maintenance calculation—special expenses 23.—(1) Subject to paragraph (2) and regulations 26 and 27, where the variation agreed to is one falling within regulation 10 to 14 (special expenses) effect shall be given to the variation in the maintenance calculation by deducting from the net weekly income of the non-resident parent the weekly amount of those expenses. (2) Where the income which is taken into account in the maintenance calculation is the capped amount and the variation agreed to is one falling within regulation 10 to 14 then— (a)the weekly amount of the expenses shall first be deducted from the actual net weekly income of the non-resident parent; (b)the amount by the which the capped amount exceeds the figure calculated under sub-paragraph (a) shall be calculated; and (c)effect shall be given to the variation in the maintenance calculation by deducting from the capped amount the amount calculated under sub-paragraph (b)for the benefit of the qualifying child referred to in paragraph (1); or (e)for the benefit of any child, other than the qualifying child referred to in paragraph (1), who, at the time the debt was incurred— (i)lived with the non-resident parent and the person with care; and (ii)of whom the person with care is the parent. Child contact is a different matter, if no mutual agreement can be reach will possibly need court intervention, which you can apply for using a C100 form (you will need to pay a fee). You can download the form from the HMRC website and act for yourself (Litigant In Person). Plenty of support groups now have Mckenzie Friends, who can assist and attend court with you. chall ~ afairercsaforall Ian,

You may be able to get a variation to child maintenance re the debt, if you meet the criteria, but you will need to apply for such.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2001/156/part/III/made

Special expenses—prior debts
12.—(1) Subject to the following paragraphs of this regulation and regulation 15, the repayment of debts to which paragraph (2) applies shall constitute expenses for the purposes of paragraph 2(2) of Schedule 4B to the Act where those debts were incurred—

(a)before the non-resident parent became a non-resident parent in relation to the qualifying child; and
(b)at the time when the non-resident parent and the person with care in relation to the child referred to in sub-paragraph (a) were a couple.
(2) This paragraph applies to debts incurred—

(a)for the joint benefit of the non-resident parent and the person with care;
(b)for the benefit of the person with care where the non-resident parent remains legally liable to repay the whole or part of the debt;
(c)for the benefit of any person who is not a child but who at the time the debt was incurred—
(i)was a child;
(ii)lived with the non-resident parent and the person with care; and
(iii)of whom the non-resident parent or the person with care is the parent, or both are the parents;
(d)for the benefit of the qualifying child referred to in paragraph (1); or
(e)for the benefit of any child, other than the qualifying child referred to in paragraph (1), who, at the time the debt was incurred—
(i)lived with the non-resident parent and the person with care; and
(ii)of whom the person with care is the parent.
(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to repayment of—

Effect on maintenance calculation—special expenses
23.—(1) Subject to paragraph (2) and regulations 26 and 27, where the variation agreed to is one falling within regulation 10 to 14 (special expenses) effect shall be given to the variation in the maintenance calculation by deducting from the net weekly income of the non-resident parent the weekly amount of those expenses.

(2) Where the income which is taken into account in the maintenance calculation is the capped amount and the variation agreed to is one falling within regulation 10 to 14 then—

(a)the weekly amount of the expenses shall first be deducted from the actual net weekly income of the non-resident parent;
(b)the amount by the which the capped amount exceeds the figure calculated under sub-paragraph (a) shall be calculated; and
(c)effect shall be given to the variation in the maintenance calculation by deducting from the capped amount the amount calculated under sub-paragraph (b)for the benefit of the qualifying child referred to in paragraph (1); or
(e)for the benefit of any child, other than the qualifying child referred to in paragraph (1), who, at the time the debt was incurred—
(i)lived with the non-resident parent and the person with care; and
(ii)of whom the person with care is the parent.

Child contact is a different matter, if no mutual agreement can be reach will possibly need court intervention, which you can apply for using a C100 form (you will need to pay a fee). You can download the form from the HMRC website and act for yourself (Litigant In Person).
Plenty of support groups now have Mckenzie Friends, who can assist and attend court with you.

chall ~ afairercsaforall

]]> By: Ian Pirie http://www.csahell.com/how-to-avoid-the-csa-180.html/comment-page-3#comment-16471 Ian Pirie Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:17:37 +0000 http://www.csahell.com/?p=180#comment-16471 Sir/Ma'am, My wife left me 06 Oct 11 and took our (then)2 month old son. All she ever wanted was a baby and now she has him I was surplus to requirements. She wouldnt let me see my son and was constantly asking for money. I finally saw my son last Thursday (19 Jan) and it had gone ok. But then she changed her mind and said "you have seen him now why cant you just leave us alone". And I am in the Army with a tour of Afghan later in the year. She said I should use the time away to forget about him and it would be better if I never came back". I simply cannot afford a solicitor. I have been left with the marriage debt - £20,000 which I pay £530 a month. On top of that CSA are taking £700 out next month, so for March I will have no money ! From March she will get £318 per month which I find a bit steep. How can I get access to my son regularly without a solicitor ? Can I get my CSA payments lowered in anyway ? I am grateful for any help you can offer. Sir/Ma’am,
My wife left me 06 Oct 11 and took our (then)2 month old son. All she ever wanted was a baby and now she has him I was surplus to requirements. She wouldnt let me see my son and was constantly asking for money. I finally saw my son last Thursday (19 Jan) and it had gone ok. But then she changed her mind and said “you have seen him now why cant you just leave us alone”. And I am in the Army with a tour of Afghan later in the year. She said I should use the time away to forget about him and it would be better if I never came back”. I simply cannot afford a solicitor. I have been left with the marriage debt – £20,000 which I pay £530 a month. On top of that CSA are taking £700 out next month, so for March I will have no money ! From March she will get £318 per month which I find a bit steep. How can I get access to my son regularly without a solicitor ? Can I get my CSA payments lowered in anyway ?
I am grateful for any help you can offer.

]]> By: steve cottrell http://www.csahell.com/how-to-avoid-the-csa-180.html/comment-page-3#comment-15982 steve cottrell Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:17:03 +0000 http://www.csahell.com/?p=180#comment-15982 Why dont all NRPs get together collectively rather than seperately ? If we all signed a petition against the CSA and how they deal with NRPs then surely something has to change ! The CSA has had many years of getting it massively wrong ,costing the tax payer millions They destroy families far more than they help . I have a daughter who I adore and Im more than willing to help support ... The CSA have taken absolutely nothing into account of my mortgage , bills etc . I am a low wage earner already on the poverty line, earning just over £6 an hour . The CSA have taken 15% of what I havent got as well because I am a low earner a percentage of my working tax credit , which the government give me recognising I dont earn enough and yet the CSA , who clearly dont care have decided that they want their share of that as well . Despite already being in arrears with my mortgage and going down hill fast , the CSA do not want to listen or help in any way what so ever . This is a brief account of my story , but the end result will be ill loose my job , my home and become a burden on this country and the CSA who I have asked , no pleaded with ,but they refuse to meet with me or help in any way ! I would rather go before a judge in a family court and pay what I can fairly and honestly afford . I call all NRPs therefore to sign a petition lets get this failing department closed down with all their threats and basically bully boy tactics . Write to your local MPs , after all we are voters too . I thought this was the United Kingdom where we up held democracy and fair play , yet how Ive been treated is disgusting . Funny how governments rant on about the importance of family life and yet the CSA is ripping families apart . Why dont all NRPs get together collectively rather than seperately ? If we all signed a petition against the CSA and how they deal with NRPs then surely something has to change ! The CSA has had many years of getting it massively wrong ,costing the tax payer millions They destroy families far more than they help . I have a daughter who I adore and Im more than willing to help support … The CSA have taken absolutely nothing into account of my mortgage , bills etc . I am a low wage earner already on the poverty line, earning just over £6 an hour . The CSA have taken 15% of what I havent got as well because I am a low earner a percentage of my working tax credit , which the government give me recognising I dont earn enough and yet the CSA , who clearly dont care have decided that they want their share of that as well . Despite already being in arrears with my mortgage and going down hill fast , the CSA do not want to listen or help in any way what so ever . This is a brief account of my story , but the end result will be ill loose my job , my home and become a burden on this country and the CSA who I have asked , no pleaded with ,but they refuse to meet with me or help in any way ! I would rather go before a judge in a family court and pay what I can fairly and honestly afford . I call all NRPs therefore to sign a petition lets get this failing department closed down with all their threats and basically bully boy tactics . Write to your local MPs , after all we are voters too . I thought this was the United Kingdom where we up held democracy and fair play , yet how Ive been treated is disgusting . Funny how governments rant on about the importance of family life and yet the CSA is ripping families apart .

]]> By: Richard http://www.csahell.com/how-to-avoid-the-csa-180.html/comment-page-3#comment-15915 Richard Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:43:01 +0000 http://www.csahell.com/?p=180#comment-15915 ok if i do not live in the UK but live in Brazil and never been served an order from the CSA at anytime can they make me pay anything if i do not live or work in the UK????? ok if i do not live in the UK but live in Brazil and never been served an order from the CSA at anytime can they make me pay anything if i do not live or work in the UK?????

]]> By: Ronnie http://www.csahell.com/how-to-avoid-the-csa-180.html/comment-page-3#comment-15858 Ronnie Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:04:29 +0000 http://www.csahell.com/?p=180#comment-15858 I have just received a letter from the CSA saying I have to pay £38 per week for my son who is 17 , he did not stay on at school and he got a job , then he left it , but they took him back a couple of months later only for him to pack it in again , I rang the CSA and said that it is in no way fair that I am having to pay for him as its not my fault he did not stick to his job , and they said that if my Ex is still receiving child benefit for him then she is defrauding the system , They are going to investigate to see if she is receiving child benefit and that I have to Phone them back to find out if she has . and if she has then they are expecting me to report her to the DWP , but I do not want to do that , all I want is that I have paid my way and now it stops , but I have read that if your child leaves school at 16 and not in any kind of education then you do not have to pay anything else , can somebody confirm this. I have just received a letter from the CSA saying I have to pay £38 per week for my son who is 17 , he did not stay on at school and he got a job , then he left it , but they took him back a couple of months later only for him to pack it in again , I rang the CSA and said that it is in no way fair that I am having to pay for him as its not my fault he did not stick to his job , and they said that if my Ex is still receiving child benefit for him then she is defrauding the system , They are going to investigate to see if she is receiving child benefit and that I have to Phone them back to find out if she has . and if she has then they are expecting me to report her to the DWP , but I do not want to do that , all I want is that I have paid my way and now it stops , but I have read that if your child leaves school at 16 and not in any kind of education then you do not have to pay anything else , can somebody confirm this.

]]> By: simon http://www.csahell.com/how-to-avoid-the-csa-180.html/comment-page-3#comment-15660 simon Mon, 09 Jan 2012 11:05:58 +0000 http://www.csahell.com/?p=180#comment-15660 Hi all Hope I can get some advice here!! I have a child of 17yrs old and he will be 18 in June, I have had a call and a letter from the CSA on Friday, saying that I have to submit my details and fill in a assessment. I put the phone down on them but still have the forms to fill. My ex wife has a son of 21 whom I brought up as my own until we divorced 10 years ago. ( He thinks I am his real father as she has never told him, another long story but she never ever requested payments from his biological donor!) Anyway we had the divorce and she got to keep the house and I was ordered to pay £40 per week for the youngest child and had both kids stay with me 3nights per week. The oldest lad stopped staying at around 16 as he was out late ect etc... The younger lad my own son still stays 3 nights per week and I decided at 17 he got himself a part time job that it was time to stop paying the £40 to my Ex, I did tell my son about this and how I will be supporting him with him going to Uni in September and helping as I would. The Ex rang me In November demanding her money and why i stopped paying ( this was just before her and her long term live in partner were about to fly out to Jamaica!!) I just said that I had given enough and I do have my new family with twin boys by my wife and partner of 9 years to also consider and times are tough especially as I nave had no pay increase for 6 years. I have always looked after my kids and do not treat the oldest lad any different and he still comes to see me and looks to me as his dad. Is there any way that she can carry through with this and if I do have to pay will it be from now until june or for the whole year? I get pait in my wages £520.00 per week and £100.00 of that is to cover my fuel and car repairs etc and is on my wage slips as car allowance, so in reality it is £420.00 per week ( I hope) and have two 3 year old boys a wife and mortgage etc. I would appreciate if someone can advise me and how much they will want from me taking into account all the above. Many thanks Simon Hi all

Hope I can get some advice here!!

I have a child of 17yrs old and he will be 18 in June, I have had a call and a letter from the CSA on Friday, saying that I have to submit my details and fill in a assessment. I put the phone down on them but still have the forms to fill.

My ex wife has a son of 21 whom I brought up as my own until we divorced 10 years ago. ( He thinks I am his real father as she has never told him, another long story but she never ever requested payments from his biological donor!)

Anyway we had the divorce and she got to keep the house and I was ordered to pay £40 per week for the youngest child and had both kids stay with me 3nights per week. The oldest lad stopped staying at around 16 as he was out late ect etc… The younger lad my own son still stays 3 nights per week and I decided at 17 he got himself a part time job that it was time to stop paying the £40 to my Ex, I did tell my son about this and how I will be supporting him with him going to Uni in September and helping as I would.

The Ex rang me In November demanding her money and why i stopped paying ( this was just before her and her long term live in partner were about to fly out to Jamaica!!) I just said that I had given enough and I do have my new family with twin boys by my wife and partner of 9 years to also consider and times are tough especially as I nave had no pay increase for 6 years.

I have always looked after my kids and do not treat the oldest lad any different and he still comes to see me and looks to me as his dad.

Is there any way that she can carry through with this and if I do have to pay will it be from now until june or for the whole year?

I get pait in my wages £520.00 per week and £100.00 of that is to cover my fuel and car repairs etc and is on my wage slips as car allowance, so in reality it is £420.00 per week ( I hope) and have two 3 year old boys a wife and mortgage etc.

I would appreciate if someone can advise me and how much they will want from me taking into account all the above.

Many thanks

Simon

]]> By: Mike http://www.csahell.com/how-to-avoid-the-csa-180.html/comment-page-3#comment-15514 Mike Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:36:32 +0000 http://www.csahell.com/?p=180#comment-15514 yip John M is def a man,how the hell do they think they can take that kind on money off the hard working dads that want to pay for there kids and only there kids. the ex's just want to rip the arse off you its disgusting nothing less. it needs to stop and they need to be fair to the men that have been used as bank account and a free ticket to not working yip John M is def a man,how the hell do they think they can take that kind on money off the hard working dads that want to pay for there kids and only there kids.
the ex’s just want to rip the arse off you its disgusting nothing less.

it needs to stop and they need to be fair to the men that have been used as bank account and a free ticket to not working

]]> By: Jamesluna http://www.csahell.com/how-to-avoid-the-csa-180.html/comment-page-2#comment-14407 Jamesluna Sat, 17 Dec 2011 00:53:39 +0000 http://www.csahell.com/?p=180#comment-14407 Someone I know changed there identity and moved to another country. Someone I know changed there identity and moved to another country.

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