How to avoid the CSA
June 21, 2009
Many people come to this website looking for advice on how to avoid the CSA and avoid paying the CSA. The truth is that if you’re employed you have very little option as eventually the CSA will go to your employer and hit them with a deduction of earnings order (DEO) which will take money from your salary before your receive it.
There’s nothing your employer can do about it because the CSA will threaten them with bailiffs if they don’t comply.
However, there is a way you can avoid the DEO from the CSA, and that’s to be contracted. If your employer will allow you to go self employed, so you submit your own self assessment tax return, the CSA cannot issue a DEO. You deal with your own tax, therefore they have to go through you.
This way you can claim for travel expenses to and from work in your self assessment, and other costs as well, such as equipment. Your ‘take home’ pay would be much lower and the CSA would only be able to claim less from you.
If anyone has any other ideas on avoiding paying the CSA please let us know below, we’d be glad to hear from them and would like to share them with everyone else who is having trouble with the CSA.
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I would not think that it would be a good idea to tell people that they can lower their child support or even avoid outright the CSEA by becoming an independent contractor. Courts don’t look too kindly on that. I’m no fan of the CSEA–okay, I’m more of a fan of Hitler than that group of bureaucrats–but this sort of thing is the type of action that they love to trump out when they are going after the “deadbeat dad”. If you want to prop up your income with a second job or have legitimate reasons not related to child support to go this route that’s cool. But if you march that in like you’re going to get a ticket out you’re in for a rude surprise.
Not paying the CSA doesn’t get you out of your obligation to get your child support payments to the other parent.
So if you’re not paying the CSA, how are you complying with the court order and paying the child support otherwise? Directly to the child’s mother? What’s the diff other than a bunch of headache.
Additionally, since they’re not collecting the CS, they’ll just label you in arrears. And then you’ll be on the hook for showing up in front of your judge to PROVE you’ve been paying the CS as ordered, and then explain to the judge why you aren’t paying through the CSA also as ordered.
Not worth the legal costs to fight something that gets the same results. Unless you’re talking about defrauding your children of the ordered child support because you’re planning on not only stiffing the CSA, but also stiffing your kids.
Shame on you. On Father’s Day of all days. What a great role model for your kids you must be. … NOT.
QUOTE – However, there is a way you can avoid the DEO from the CSA, and that’s to be contracted. If your employer will allow you to go self employed, so you submit your own self assessment tax return, the CSA cannot issue a DEO.
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Amongs it’s ‘new powers’ CMEC will be able attach a DEO directly to your bank account, including joint accounts.
Among the new so called powers CMEC have no LAWFUL right to attach DEO anywhere, what we at dead beat dads association have found out is that you can prosecute the banks, you can prosecute your employer and you can prosecute the CSA. As for the courts well we have found a way to dismiss the Magistrates, yes sounds far fetched but we did it in a case last Friday 19th June, we represented a guy in court who had been summoned for a liability order, we dismissed the Magistrates who thought we were joking at first but they soon realised we could do it,and it was lawful too.
Please have alook at http://www.deadbeatdadsassociation.co.uk for more information
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An Act of Parliament is a statute law, which has been passed by the House of Commons and the House of Lords, also given Royal accent by the Crown.
Unlike the USA, UK courts do not display a gold fringed flag indicating Admiralty Law, but the Royal Coat of Arms.
Quote ” that corporation comes in the form of the Birth Certificate, again law of the sea “birth” as in birthing in the dock, can you see the smoke clearing now?
Birth? surely you mean berth!
There are 441 homophones in the English language.
obviously John M is a woman pretending to be a man
I find it hard to understand that your talking about paying the CSA, when you won’t be paying the CSA because you would be paying for your child. If the parent(s) of the child(ren) think what the CSA have assessed them at is too much or too little, then both parties should reach an agreement without the CSA.
For the parents who can’t reach a private agreement, then the CSA are going to try and get maintenance for the child(ren). If the NRP does not want to pay for their own child(ren), then the CSA are going to set up a DEO.
I don’t understand NRP’s who try to get away from supporting their own child(ren). I do sympathise with some NRP’s however, as i can imagine some PWC’s will just want to take more money from them to fund their own lifestyle.
Chris, your ideas sounds good in theory but you are missing a fundamental point that ONLY the PWC chooses whether the services of CSA are used or if payments are acceptable via a private agreement. Even if the NRP offered more money than the CSA assessment, the PWC can still choose that it goes through the CSA.
Regarding the issue of supporting your children – although the CSA maintenance payments from the NRP are passed onto the PWC, the NRP has no influence over how that money is spent which can result in it not actually being spent on your children. CSA assessments do not take into consideration the bills of the NRP, or the PWC, and are simply based on a percentage of the NRPs income regardless of the lifestyle/earnings of the PWC.
The CSA are trying to use DEOs as the default method of payment opposed to resolve matters of non compliance. Without going through a court they can take 40% of your wages without asking any questions, to pay off a fictitious arrears figure within 2 years.
Harold, it should also be noted that the PWC doesn’t have to request the CSA’s involvement. Even if the PWC doesn’t want the CSA’s help (or hinderence) the CSA will automatically get involved if the PWC is in receipt of benefits. This is to reclaim money spent by the government on benefits to the PWC.
The money the NRP pays then isn’t all given to the PWC, they only get a percentage of it. The rest is used to pay back the benefits receives by the PWC to the government.
Michael, not as of 27th October 2008 when CMEC came into fruition. As of 27th October 2008 a PWC on benefits can choose a private agreement and declare the amount received with the job centre. I think they get to keep £20, which was originally £10, to be increased in the future.
http://www.cmoptions.org/en/maintenance/changes.asp
Harold’s post above is correct, re benefit claimants.
However, EITHER parent can request the involvement of the CSA/CMEC.
Further info can be found at http://www.afairercsaforall.co.uk
Reading back, my point may not have read clearly i.e.
EITHER parents can request CSA/CMEC involvement but ONLY the PWC has the ultimate choice whether payment can be made by private agreement, removing the need for CSA/CMEC.
Had a thought. If the NRP opens the CSA/CMEC case then does that mean that only the NRP can close it in order to move to a private agreement?
I was specifically thinking about CSA cases being opened by the PWC so even if there is an offer to match or pay more via private agreement, only the PWC has the exclusive decision whether the CSA are involved or not. There again I expect cases opened by NRPs are in the minority.
Hi Harold,
No mate, the NRP would not be solely able to close the case in order to move to a private agreement, regardless of whether they initially requested agency involvement.
right, this ones relates to people who have businesses,
sell your business to a relative (trusted of course) then have them pay you a “training wage” say this is £60 a week for your contribution to their business. The contribution from £60 works out at around £5 a week maintenance payment. (the reality is you rn the show, its your business and they just front it on paper)
simply get the relative to have the money in their account and lend u the cash card for living.
that’s the barebones of it, its easier if you sell your business to your new wife and you have a current account together. Stinking csa wont be able to touch you!!!!
a good accountant should be able to cook the books just nicely!!!!!
Watch her face when the csa tell her she’s getting 20 quid a month!!!!!
I’m astounded by the amount of ‘getting one over’ on the ex’s comments there are on here. That isn’t what the CSA is about surely. Isn’t it about getting what is rightful maintenance for children who are the result of break up from their parents?
Surely, the CSA have a formula to working out Child Maintenance (I’m not saying it doesn’t need to be challenged in parts). So why, therefore, do some parents think it’s alright to try and pay less? Surely, if one wants to pay less money, then he should have his children to stay with him overnight more. CSA would then flex his calculation accordingly.
What can be right about people, neither wanting to see their kids much, nor pay for them. What lengths people seem to go through to ‘hide’ their funds, ‘cook’ the books, move to become LTD companies etc etc. And what’s more…people blatantly boast of these facts!!!
Shouldn’t a man be able to look at himself and call himself a ‘Man’ more if he was happy to be providing what was right for his children?
Well after 2 years of fighting the incompetent CSA, having paid £400 p/m voluntary contributions until their involvement in my life have lost a business (ltd) and had to issue p45′s for all the staff. Come January I won’t be able to afford to see them in Scotland after travelling to see them every month for the last 2 years and attempting to increase access blocked at every step.
Now unemployed I have no time for the CSA, they are legalised scum anyone who thinks otherwise.
To the comment from the woman above if you suffered under it you would understand better why people go to such lengths. Honesty doesn’t pay!
Michaela, firstly I don’t think you should refer to all NRPs as always being the father. This is the majority of cases but not the rule of thumb.
I agree that whenever money is involved matters will generally get messy, in a lot of cases the receiver regards it personally as “money that is owed to them” and the payer regards it personally as “money it is costing them”. This will always cause a battle.
I also agree that the CSA/CMEC formula should be challenged e.g. I don’t agree that a percentage of the NRPs 2nd family disabled child benefit should be counted as the NRPs income with a percentage passed to an able bodied child in the 1st family?
Your solution of the NRP having the child stay overnight more often to reduce their Child Maintenance payments fails in a number of ways. Firstly, some PWCs use this to their advantage and specifically prevent overnight stays with the NRP to ensure they get more Child Maintenance. Secondly, if the NRP and PWC after a relationship split are able to come to amicable agreements then there would often be no need for the CSA.
Now consider that the CSA have “stepped up the heat” with their tactics on pursuing NRPs by issuing Liability Orders without going to court, raiding bank accounts without going to court etc on arrears that are far too often “invented” and impossible to challenge. The CSA will take dual action to retrieve arrears and demand it is repaid within a short period of time without negotiation and regardless of whether it places the 2nd family in poverty. This will certainly contribute to destroying any good relations between the NRP and PWC.
There will be some NRPs whose only intention is to avoid their responsibilities but there are also a lot more that are being unjustly treated like criminals by this new non-departmental public body (CMEC) and placing their families in atrocious situations with no way out, to the point that some have committed suicide.
Therefore a “Man”, as you have stated above, is all too often left with just one option which is to try and fight CMEC’s communistic policies and bullying tactics to ensure they maintain the welfare of themselves and their families.
child support agency are just taking the p*** they are legalised robbers just clawing money off the working class to save the failing goverment this cock up should be band and stop screwing the honest tax payers. no wonder people milk it on the dole its a discrace.
quote “An Act of Parliament is a statute law, which has been passed by the House of Commons and the House of Lords, also given Royal accent by the Crown.”
An act of parliament is statute legislation only, it becomes a law if we consent to it and there are several ways they con you into consenting without your knowledge.
quote “Unlike the USA, UK courts do not display a gold fringed flag indicating Admiralty Law, but the Royal Coat of Arms.”
We suggest you take a closer look at that one because it is NOT the royal coat of arms, it appears to be at a first glance, again the con is there.
Quote ” that corporation comes in the form of the Birth Certificate, again law of the sea “birth” as in birthing in the dock, can you see the smoke clearing now?
Birth? surely you mean berth!”
Yes the point we are making is to illustrate how this agency who think they are or above the law, use Admiralty law known as the Chid Support Act to help them make money for their company, yes that’s right they are a company again do your research more thoroughly.
We have helped another two fathers who were being committed to prison, and that is by not contracting with the courts
Fingers crossed it wont have a negative effect at a later date…
BTW, its surprising what can be learnt from doing a bit of research – a little knowledge can stand ‘people’ in good stead.
Without doubt, everybody should take the time to research and satisfy themselves of facts
Hows this for research.. We’ve had a member ‘pwcneedshelp’ on the forum http://www.afairercsaforall.co.uk since the 15th March 09, who signes all their posts and emails as ‘steph’.
fromSherri Barnett
toafairercsaforall@googlemail.com
dateWed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:19
signed-byyahoo.co.uk
Hello guys,
many thanks for the heads up as a mother i take these matters seriously of course. I have looked at the new site and will be joining shortly,i do however have one question to ask if anyone could be so kind as to afford me an answer.
Bearing in mind what you have said,the new site etc,it has been brought to my attention about an organisation claiming to be a charity of which i am very dubious.I have been given a newspaper,rather an old issue by a former work colleague and was asked to contact the person who runs it. This i duly did via e mail and i was given some websites links to look at in my own time.
After having done this i decided to dig a little myself and discovered that this organisation isn’t all it claims to be! The question i have is about Common Purpose and have you heard of it at all? Do you think we should be at all concerned about it and does it have any bearing on what is going on with the government at present?
Sorry to ask but it is for my own peace of mind if nothing else.
many thanks and well done for doing what you do and devoting a lot of time in the process
Yours Steph.
What are you going on about now we do not have a yahoo email, my do we still pose that much of a threat to you that you need to think of something like this to try and start up another argument.
Nice to know you still think about us though
The email is in AFCSAFA email account and the senders account is clearly marked – Suppose if any 3rd party would like a screen shot, we can accommodated.
The link goes to posts, which was in full flow on and around the 15/03/09. http://www.csahell.com/im-in-financial-difficulty-due-to-the-csa-141.html#comments
You keep asking ‘can you see the smoke clearing now?’ – Well yes, definitely, and I expect so can everybody else!
As regarding to starting another argument – scroll back through the posts – yours on the 18/10/09, was in reply to one I made on 23/06/09.
Finally, regardless of how flattering and amusing to have you as members and pick our brains via email – You should try and go it alone
Can anyone give my husband advice our CSA has just doubled at the same time as my husband losing his job, he went out and found some work at a agency for 3 weeks earning £430 and now he has gone self employed having to wait 7 weeks for some wages.
We have informed CSA that he has gone self employed, was that the right thing to do.
We are not wanting to not pay CSA we just cannot afford what they wanted us to increase to, we were going to continue to pay the amount we had been paying before and after spending hours and hours on my computer trying to find advice , we just rang them to inform them. the change of circumstances
HAVE WE DONE THE RIGHT THING,
From the looks of things in the process of my own research, the UK has become just as much of a complete anti-male society as the American Empire here. Rather quite sad actually and having read many comments in many places the propaganda machine of these thieving privateer agencies is all too effective. It is always the same rhetoric from the feminazi mouthpieces and blinded fools. Chin up my brothers across the pond! It is looking like what you need to do is accept the fact that a succubus parasitic leech has ruined your life in your country and will regardless be rewarded for being lazy and too stupid to get a job to support their decision and slut lifestyle. Once you make that critical step, learn what countries your nation has CS agreements with and then choose a new home not on that list. Learn the language and leave to your new home. Here in the Empire they try silly things like suspending Passports, however the Mexican border is wide open and a small stash of cash can purchase a new ID in Mexico which can then be used to springboard anywhere. Not sure what similar options you have like that on your island but if you can take a holiday to Mexico it may be a start to being able to actually rebuild your life again and find freedom again.
Do your mates a favor too and enlighten them on the parasitic nature of Westernized women and their society so they can avoid them like the plague that they have become. If the governments want to only pursue female destructive interests, they can have them exclusively as a workforce and let them see how that works out. Leave your country!
I cant belive people side with the csa! they are totally incompetant and the left hand doesnt know what the right hand is doing. i have followed my payment schedule to the letter correct payment dates and amounts yet they had the nerve to tell me i had arrears they first told me 1 amount then then told me another amount and then a third different amount. when i looked deeper into this they had assesed me as paying more than i needed to but the answer they gave me was the assesment couldnt be changed so my arguement is why does the inland revenue work on actuals i.e if you havent earned it they wont take it or if they over charge you they will give it you back and the csa work on assesments. how can two government bodies have such different rules? when i asked the csa who i could take this up with they told me they are governed by themself, whats all that about if i have a problem with a bank i go to a financial ambusman. the csa are a law unto them self and i was told by them i face prison if i dont clear my arrears, never mind three hot meals a day and roof over my head. if i was incorecct id pay but it now the princable of the matter the system needs to change before more parents without care are pushed to higher states of desperation.
I fully doubt there is any NRP who has had dealings with the CSA and been happy with their service. I really don’t understand their calculations, how on earth can merely taking a percentage of someone’s earnings justify the welfare of their children. The more you earn the more you pay no wonder so many NRP’s go on benefits and look for ways out, as the harder they work the heavier they get punished. If it was about supporting your child then there would be alot more willing NRP’s i.e if I earn £300 a week i pay 15% (£45) per week which is surely way more than it costs to provide a contribution to a childs welfare. However if I get a pay rise to £500 then I pay £75 per week. This to me shows no interest in looking out for the welfare of the child just merely punishing the NRP for working hard. I would be very willing at contributing to my childs welfare but the CSA make it a personal battle and they are also extremely incompetent an all areas as most people having dealings with them will be fully aware. I don’t blame any NRP for avoiding or trying to avoid CS payments whatsoever.
Having read over your comments made 21st November ‘deadbeatyank’ I’ve come to the conclusion that it is aparant your screen name is more than suited to you.
Being a mother myself and having had so many battles with my ex to contribute even the price of a box of nappies a week I gave my ex plenty of oppourtunity to come to a private arrangement before taking my case to the csa.
I went for 6months asking just £10 a week, rarely receieving this money (aound 4 payments in the 6month period) I even wrote out a break-down of the things i would buy for our child with the oh-so princely sum of £10 per week and offered him to accompany me to the supermarket so he could make sure i wasnt spending the money on myself!
Still he refused to pay with excuses like I have been paid late, or simply ill give you it next week, ‘next week’ rarely ever came.
I would also like to point out that you cannot as a women just invent a sum of money you would like and call the csa and demand that as arrears.
Having gone through the 6 month period with £40 from my ex I became tired of hearing the excuses from him when he was employed full time earning a very good wage and explained my situation to them.
They replied with “we can only start your case from the date you call us, then we make an assesment on the amount of wages he recieves, 15% of which will come to you for your child” and contrary to what seems to be popular belief over this side of the pond, if as a mother you work for a living you recieve the full 15% of what they take as opposed to the £20 before money is stopped from your benefit so really that does nothing but encourage the attiitude towards work surely???
You obviously have had a bad experience with the csa where you are but to encourage the abandonment of your child(ren) to live in a foriegn country rather than face upto your parental and financial responsibilities is unforgivable and to go to such lengths to avoid payments just shows you up for being ignorant, tight fisted towards your child(ren) and shows a complete lack of care, if men are more than happy to help put the child(ren) on this earth why should they not share in the responsibility of helping to giving them a decent up-bringing instead of calling women sluts for choosing to keep the children they become left with when people like you leave and probably refuse to pay without the csa.
Absolutley disgusting.
If such a thing exists I hope you come back to this life as a women that gets left with children to actually experiance what its like for women to bring them up un aided in any way.
For the people that freed the nations in WWII and died for their beliefs, you are a shocking disgusting and miserable example of a man and they woulf turn in their graves.
I applaud the csa and any other government body in the world who force errant and spineless fathers to pay maintenance to thier children, and what i’d say to any man that aggrees with your extremist point of view, why dont you all go to mexico and watch the borders close in front of you as the Westernized women would certainly be better off!
Bye Bye!
Having read ‘Disgusteds’ post. I would like to add that although I dont agree with deadbeat yank, I can understand where he is coming from. I am a man who was driven out of a loveless marriage.
My ex wife (bitch from Hell) has stoppd me seeing my two wonderful kids. For nearly 2 years, I have continued to pay the CSA ( W*nkers). Even when i was on JSA.
Due to their cock ups I am now in arrears.
We are not all spinless men. The majority of us want to pay for our children, oh and see them.
My question is this – I have a 9 year old daughter. We split up before baby was born, through one thing and another, she met another bloke he was at the birth and they subsequently got married. We went different ways after stumping up a few grand, i was told in no uncertain terms that we no longer needed any money etc etc……Last week i had an email that she thinks its right my daughter should know her real father and that she had contacted the csa as she was now divorced. Two years ago they wanted to adopt her…………..what do i do? i have never not offeredto help, affluent, well travelled blah blah blah……..CSA are w********
Hi People
room for a new one?
i’ve been paying for the last 12 years, and although the way the CSA assesses changed a while back to 15% for one child I have been told i can’t be put on the new system and have to stay at 25% (jointly) untill it finishes, (although i have recently have had a change of circumstances which might alter things) is there anyway i can be assesed on the new system please.
I agree with Mr. D. Hornblower,
I having been fighting for regular contact with my daughter (4 years old) for 16 months.
I have no problems with paying £57/ week (was actually £65 before the ex went to CSA, LOL). what I do have a problem with is the £7000+ I have had to pay out so far for court and solicitor fee’s (and still growing)
I’m a devoted dad, with so much love to give.
My daughter has no say over want she wants, I just hope one day we are able to have a proper relationship just like her mother has with her.
I do agree with the CSA’s involvment when an NRP is unwilling to provide financial support fot their child(ren). I don’t agree with the powers the CSA has in getting the money from the NRP.
Why should NRP’s have to fight in court and throw out more money to get contact, when the PWC can make one phone call and they get resuls straight away.
If the courts used their powers we wouldn’t have PWC’s alienating there children against NRP’s. What a messed up world we live in. God help our grandchildren!!
is this legal??????
The Action The CSA Take
Having collected relevant information from the parent with care the Child Support Agency then processes the application and requests maintenance payment from the non resident parent. The payment can be taken directly from the parent’s wages, if they refuse to pay maintenance. The CSA can also use the courts to claim the payment, and can freeze accounts, register the parent’s debt, force the sale of property, confiscate a driving licence or send the parent to prison.
Can someone give me any advice? My ex (PWC) is extremely wealthy, earning approx 1/4 million p.a. I earn about 30,000 Is it true that the c.s.a. only look at NRP’s income? It doesnt seem right to me that they can take 20% of my income when he is so wealthy.
I have to say how pissed off i am with everything, i have always had contact with my daughters and love them very much but my ex has dissapeared, moved house, changed schools and got the csa involved. Luckily i new she was a spiteful bitch so all the money ive paid to date has been done through a bank account so i can prove it. However im now in a lose lose situation. I have to pay 500 a month, yes 500 and she has stopped me seeing them. My solicitor is telling me to take her to court but how can i when i pay her 500 a month. im becoming more and more overdrawn each month trying to survive. and by the way, she earn 35K. what a JOKE this country is, there are so many dads who dont care but those of us who do are penilised by an unjust system that screws dads to the point that they cant even afford solicitors appts, when she earns good money. I can only hope my children undersand when they are old enough or the ex gets struck down…..
oh sorry and by the way, im even looking at moving abroad cos not all countries will tolerate the csa. there is no issue providing for children but regulate it and take everything into account. there are too many people on the dole that im also having to pay for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Oh I think it’s awful, one parent limiting the access of their child(ren) from the other parent, for no other reason than to be spiteful! I think the Government should be more supportive towards the concept of shared care. It works very well, children having the best of both Worlds. I have never denied my ex access…but listen to this, he voluntarily chose to be an every other week-end dad. Now, this WILL annoy all you hard-working guys who pay substantial amounts of Maintenance to their ex’s…last year he drew out £267,000 drawings from his business in one year, but he has since strategically put himself into limited company, is pleading poverty and only needs to pay me and his son (who he left for the office trollop) £40 per week?!! It will be interesting to see the outcome of the appeal and if the Government supports this behaviour? Will it be acceptable for the rich men with the contacts to only pay 0.00005% of their salary to their children, whereas every other person has to part with15-20% of theirs? We will see!!!!
The CMEC are taking £6.50 from my JSA, I am alredy being deducted £3.45 for a Social Fund loan. How can this be right? I do not have enough money to live on, surely this is unlawful. I give what I can to my son direct when I see him. But this seems to make no odds.
Can anyone tell me how to be put on the “new” system. I having been paying for a long time on the old system and they wont change me over to the new one where you pay 20% of your take home pay.I did read they are now changing again.I have to pay alot more than 20%.
Hi guys and girls,
Just a quick one – re travel expenses to see my 9 yr old. I drive approx 1,200 miles a month to see my son after his mother moved away with him to Lincolnshire; I live in London. Does anyone have an idea of how much of that the csa will take into consideration?
Hi Stu
The CSA will take all travel expenses to have access with your children into consideration when you fill out a variations form. This will reduce your payments.
HOWEVER – they will tell the mother this, and tell her that she can keep her CSA payments higher by refusing you access to your children. This could cause you to lose all access as a result.
If you have a really good and trusting relationship with your ex, then ask for a variations form. Otherwise, you might want to grin and bear it just to keep up contact.
Hi Stu,
As Michael has correctly advised, your travel costs could be taken into consideration. However, you will only be able to have travel costs OR shared care award taken into account for the maintenance calculation.
Just about done!
I have a new baby on the way with my new partner, I have a son with her all ready. I am still not seeing ny children from my first marriage and i am stil paying for them £760.00 per month (inc arrears due to the CSA cock ups).
I live in Council house after leaving my marriage with only the shirt on my back. Everything my new partner and I have is begged or borrowed. I am in danger of being made redundant, so this means I lose my car.
My ex wife gets everything paid for by the goverment and me. I am back in the family court for the 3rd time, to try and gain access to my children. She has destroyed any relationship that I had with them. I dont know what to say to them if I do eventually see them. She stopped me making phone calls to the as well. They are 10 and 5, I am dead to them ( or I feel that way).
I sit in my car on the way home from work and find myself crying my heart out.
I have been arrested twice for made up allegations by my ex, and gone to court the latest one was last week for harrasment. The CPS dropped the case as there was no case to answer! But for safe measure I get a restrainig order against me. I couldnt afford a solicitor so I got tripped up by hers, who the goverment paid for!!
The Strain that this has put on my new partner and me is immense, but it has made us stronger. I believe that when you are made you are 2 souls, that go their seperate ways, and you spend an eternity looking for your twin soul. Well I have been lucky and have found mine.
I hope that I can just stay strong for her.
As a punchy ex boxer I say to all those parents out there in the same situation.
Keep your head down, your gaurd up and dont let the bastards grind you down!
i have hust been told after 14 years i have a child i am not on the birth certificate or had anything to do with her it was a 1 night stand. i am married with 3 children. does my wifes earnings and working tax credit get taken into account if i have to pay maintenance. she will have to take me for a blood test first.also how far can csa backdate money thanks all
Hi Mikey,
As you have just been reffered to the CSA you will be under the ‘new’ system.
I recently got sent to the CSA by my ex after paying her privately for the last 5 years. The CSA were actually quite helpful..they said they could not back date any payments but would start collecting from me from the first day they wrote to me.
Also, I heard horror stories about my ex getting a cut from my wife – this is incorrect, under the new system the CSA will not touch my other half’s income.
Be sure to include the fact that you have three children living with you. You pay 15% of your net income (after Income tax, pension contributions etc) if the blood test shows you are indeed the father. As I understand it with 3 kids living with you the CSA will not take into account 25% of your net income – i.e you will pay 15% of 75% of what you take home per week (about 11% of your net income).
Hope this helps,
Stu
Hi,just thought I’d mention be careful & check first before opting to go onto the new system as I heard somewhere that for the first child you pay 15% of your wages & for 2 children you pay 17% & for 3 children you pay 19% of your wages….sounds a lot better doesn’t it ? but these percentages are taken from your GROSS PAY …. not your net pay & you could be paying a lot more than you are now,not 100% sure about this,but I think I’ve seen it on a website somewhere !
Hi J.J
The rates on CMEC will be based on Gross income;
12% for one child
16% for two children
19% for three or more children
If a Non resident parent is good enough to plant a seed to create life, isn’t he good enough to pay maintenance for the upkeep of his child?
WHY ON EARTH WOULD PEOPLE BE AGAINST PAYING FOR THERE OWN CHILDREN?????
bill
you see things in black and white, very naive and quite ignorant of the above concerns.. d***
chall
im paying 15% for 1st child and an extra 5% for the 2nd, 20% in total.
chall
do you know if they can take from your overtime as they don’t seem too so far..?
Hi Mike,
CMEC calculations will be based on income information provided by HMRC.
chall
thank you chall
Although they have been taking from my basic from day one..
I may be going part time soon, do you know if they will still take 40%(with arrears) off a low wage? i suspect they would..
I agree with most of the comments above, The CSA are just legalised scum!
It all goes hand in hand with this country’s ” Benifit culture” .
No one dissagrees with the fact that they should pay for their children…. However its a far cry from tha, to get hounded like a criminal even when you do pay, with threating letters !!!! Its disgusting !!!!!
No wonder so may have commited suicide !!!!!
Well im back in court on 17th may and expect to be sent down, for breaching a suspended sentence where i had to pay 300 a month for 2 kids which may or may not be mine. No DNA test has been made as they wont tell me where she is living so i cant ask her to take one. They say its up to me to pay for it through the courts which could cost over 4k, which i dont have, but while they wait they still want the 300 a month till they get the results! I wouldnt mind but none of the kids will see a penny as she has already had the money in benifit claims!! Guilty until you are proven innocent but you have to pay for it though! I thought it was the other way round. So next week I will be saying to the CSA rep there you have presumed im guilty now prove it! I will let you know how it goes!
Some good advise on here, Well I am neither the NRP or the PWC, I am the wife of the NRP, I dont see how the PWC gets all the child benefit, child tax and csa payments when we have to feed them, clothe them take them away every year on holiday, pay half to school trips, football fees the list is endless and could go on & on. The fact is that this is not in the welfare of the children as the money has never been monitored on what the PWC spends it on. (boozey filled weekends with her mates) This is a disgrace and something needs doing. I have taken on board what Rob has said with regards to the business and will go ahead with this. I would move my family out of our home and live in a cardboard box than give her a penny on our hard earned cash. Well done you Dads.
Some good stuff on here, very helpful. Those who have posted pro-CSA comments are either CSA staff, not gone through the process or are disgruntled PWC’s whose ex’s have avoided the CSA one way or another or want more money to top-up their numerous other benefits.
My ex spends the extortionate CSA money that I pay on Bingo & clubbing. She gets so much money in benefits but she maintains that she is always skint, and then she has the audacity to ask me for more money when I see my 2 young children (every weekend). Well im being made redundant soon (any redundancy money can go into a joint account, the CSA cannot touch it due to Data Protection Act implications) so the scum CSA wont get anymore money from me. They have effectively destroyed my career as its not worth me working anymore and I am better off unemployed.
I love my children, and always pay for them & want to see them, but the financial pressure is immense. The CSA dont realise (more likely dont care) that it is the children that get hurt in the end. I cannot take them anywhere where it costs money as I cannot afford it. NRP’s should care about their children and pay for them, but the system should be reasonable and not based on dictatorial extortionist methods.
Like others on this site, the CSA makes up arrears as they are go along. I have (yet!) another complaint about this and the excuses I have received for fluctuating arrears are hilarious. Their whole system is flawed but they will not fix it when they can drain NRP’s dry with their Stealth Tax (for that is what it is).
A message to all those who support the CSA: through an acquaintance with insider knowledge I have found out that the CSA has £40million in their Bank Accounts from NRP’s. So much for caring about the welfare of children eh!
Keep the faith dads – strength in numbers.
Oh and another thing, if you are making regular CSA payments & you have a bitch ex on benefits who is not letting you see your kids or demanding more money, grass them up to the anonymous national Benefit Fraud Hotline (0800 854 440).
CSA money is classed by the Department of Work & Pensions as ‘additional income’ which must be declared. Many benefit PWC’s do not declare the received CSA money as this will affect their benefit. The CSA & HMRC do not talk to each other (only when they are screwing NRP’s) so be a vindictive b*****d and get your own back. Give them a taste of their own medicine. It’s does not solve your CSA problem, but it makes you feel better.
Oh Well that’s my Husband now unemployed due to the messed up system they call the CSA, Congratulations! why on earth should we pay when we see the children every weekend and during the week and still have to pay. The system is crap and all you PWC’s who are money grabbing b*%$£*s ought to go and get a job if you want some money, get off your arses and do someting better with your time, rather than thinking up how much more money you can screw us for a couple of words for you ( screwed up , twisted, and you can not call your’s self’s a mother) Rant over for now. Well said above frank although its hard to get round the CSA at least you can be a vindictive b*****d, & it makes you feel better.
my 3 children i live with are being forced into poverty by the csa… they want half of our tax credits for my ex partner with my 2 children ,, discusting goverment we have im affraid. my wife now wants to leave our home and go on her own back into a councill house and back on benifits which will cost the tax payer more .. we were given this advise by somone who has done this and are now better of and living better …. what a good idea .. so declare splitting up live appart have seperate claims ,, then the csa cant starve your kids that you live with to feed your exes kids with caviar .. or ex partner with new shoes and hair… we are just looking into it now as we have had enough
Frank – as of April 2010. Maintenance payments are COMPLETELY DISREGARDED in regard to the claiming of benefit. (Income Support)
Yet further encouragement for the serial PWC’s.
At least the government is reducing the age at which the youngest child must be to 5 years old, after which the PWC must be actively seeking work!
mr d hornblower..i can relate to ur story in so many ways u could almost be my partner lol im female and so against the csa because of what it has done to my partner he has 2 children from previous marriage and left his ex wife with everything even his share of the home which amounted to 80.000 which he gave to his children we live in cheap rented accomodation and my partner has had mental breakdown im also on anti depressants we love eachother so much yet the strain of what the csa are doing to us is taking its toll immensly.Many a night i catch my partner crying in bed unable to see any way out or even a future for us because of all this we cant afford to eat some days and yet the csa still carry on taking money my partner now on esa due to anxiety and depression how wrong is all this!!!!!!
i agree all absent parents should pay csa but i dont agree that if you try to earn more then they take more as your never get to imrove your life ever.
Split up with my ex over a yr ago – was unemployed and lost my house – paid her £250 a month till cash ran out, she now has another child(clever lady) whom she had due to the mans wage not the relationship…..i know this as she stupidly slipped up and told. now she get 2 x 15% off both of us – yet i wasnt trapped like he was – few of you have said us men should put somthng on it, i was with my ex for 2.5 yrs and she still didnt tell me she had come off the pill…
Not a prob i love my boy sooo much and have always over paid from the situation i was in.
I do feel the system promotes for ladies to have kids and a free life.
My new partner is (rare) 30 yrs old and waited for kids on mim wage. My ex
24, 2 kids and on at least £400 disposable cash each month.
how many people on here can say that after all bills paid they have that?
what gets me is my business will expand very soon, and although my son is very very very well looked after if i better myself she betters for sitting on her little ass.
how can this be right considering the CSA feel my son already has what he needs now?
I would like advice on how to keep her from beniiting from me bettering myself.
I dont fancy paying for her car and holidays aswell as cloth her and my son also….
i did think my 15% was to contribute, yet she never does.
ontop of this it costs me over £100 to see my son every month, this is never taken into consideration as i dont see him enougth in the CSA eyes.
Advice please
i left my ex in august 09. After i left i found out she was pregnant but during our time together she insisted she had the coil fitted!!!!! Not so long ago she told me it was just a ploy to keep me by getting pregnant and still have the message to prove that to the csa but they aint interested??? Iam payin but think its so wrong for anyone to do this!!! Im not on any birth certs and baby dont have my name. Where do i stand???
well i am trying to avoid paying csa as a girl told me she was taking contraception (even showed me it!) and stupidly i slept with her that night.she got pregnant and afterwards i heard she’s done it to a few people pretending she was pregnant to snare them or actually did get pregnant (she has 2 previous children) now she is trying to use me for a meal ticket as i have a good job and this is potentially going to ruin me so the only option i have is to go self employed to avoid it.i have a child from a previous relationship who is now 13 and i have supported her all her life. i think it is wrong for these evil women preying on men just so they can sit on their backsides and not have to work for a living themselves!
Oh! bye the way Chris I know how you feel and I was also was in the same situation like you however I know you probably hate her but don’t forget it was partly your fault so rise above the bitch and pay an amnount you think is responsible to contribute to the up bringing of your child at least then when or if your child comes knocking on your door you can say you have helped.
Why not keep any funds in an offshore bank account , outside UK jurisdiction, if you use the withhold tax option HMRC wont even know you have the assists. It may also be possible to set up your own offshore Ltd company to get paid through.
The system is all wrong it is effective for angry mums who want to put one over there children’s dad
They need to transfer this department to the social services and take it away from dwp (dwp don’t have a clue)
My son (17year old) isn’t a baby anymore, so I don’t understand why they would take such a large amount ( he should find a part job) and so should she lazy cow
I find it embarrassing because it looks like I don’t look after my children which would never be the case.
Just a question, if they NRPs here agree that they should be paying maintenance for their child(ren) but think the CSA ask too much; what percentage of your earnings/or amount do you think is right and fair to yourself and your child(ren)?
Firstly I am just wondering how many guys are clearly not in control of their own c**k…’she told me she was on the pill or had the coil blah blah blah’….one answer CONDOM!!!! It is not the girl’s sole responsibility to use protection.
secondly if the man and woman were together i guarantee that the bloke would be using more than 15% of his wages on the child so I don’t think its a huge issue and, its probably actually a saving than outgoings if you were a couple ie rent, food, bills, clothes, school trips and dinners, toys, tv/sky, toiletries etc etc all of which would benefit the child as well as having both parents around. I’m sure no couple says that they should get paidx by the other person if one has a night out while the other looks after the child(ren) so just because you are separated why should this be the case. As someone already said it takes 2 people to make the child so it takes 2 people to support the child.
perhaps if the PWC provided receipts to the csa to show what the child support was spent on each week!! If PWC can’t put a roof over the childs head then let the child live with the parent that can!
Ceri Jones your talking C**P,as well as keeping the ex in fancy nails ,hair doo’s and new clothes as well as having my children every weekend and trying to entertain my kids as well as feeding them every weekend i still have my own home to keep and my self to feed, clothe and get to work every day i am living close to the edge every month juggling money all the time.i dont receive tax credits or child benefits to help towards the care of my children which as i said i have every weekend(maybe i should get a percentage of that).people who arent in this situation can kiss my a**e as you dont realise the strains the CSA put you under it makes it hardly worth working hand to mouth every week,this puts you under unnecessary strain every month.If i knew the money was been spent on the kids it wouldn’t bother me but its not.Also the Ex and her new fella would still have to live somewhere even if she didn’t have the kids same as i do and i can’t claim any help at all.
CeriJones! You have generalised far too much here. I WAS in control of my c**k – as you put it – but I WASN’T in control of the complete t**t I was with who decided she wanted a child/children and, therefore, decided to stop taking the pill without me knowing! (when you’re with someone in a relationship, you’d never dream of this happening).
The claim to the CSA must have taken place whilst the ‘ex’ was still in flaming labour! Behaviour indicates that she was only ever after my money!
How do you account for the fact that I had the difficult “Please feel free to leave me now and find someone who wants children,” conversation just BEFORE she took ‘our’ decision into her own hands??
I know that the State will be aiding my ‘ex’ to live a tax/debt/bill-free lifestyle and that the CSA are totally screwing me financially for something my ‘ex’ ALWAYS knew I didn’t want – right from the start of our relationship!
In short;
A) Is anyone else in this situation?
B) What to do/Is there anything I can do??!!
C) CeriJones 15% of your measley wage may not hurt! You remind me, in some ways, of my ex’s attitude (problem).
D) To anyone with half a brain – men and women alike ….. please feel free to offer sensible comments which I shall endeavour to appreciate and take on board…
E) Anyone (CeriJones) fancy paying my bill??!!- I can tell it isn’t such a big problem for you! The amount is NOT the problem – the fact that I feel I have have been forced to buy something I never wanted in the first place, DOES!
1) Do CSA have access to personal bank accounts?
2) Can I insist they calculate payments from a P60 instead of payslips as I’m on a basic + commission. Commission varies drastically. What can I do, help please!?
3) Can CSA check with TAX office on how much TAX I’ve paid over the year?
4) What do CSA do after they have my payslips?
5) Could I get a Criminal Record if I supply wrong information?
Any help is much appreciated, thank you!
Rob.
CeriJones is talking complete nonsense. Yes I agree that the bloke has to take some responsibility for fathering a child but if it was done under false pretences (as it sounds like it was) then thats a different matter.
I dont know where she gets 15% of wages from??? I was paying Child Support and due to the CSA’s MISTAKE they started taking 40% (the max allowed). Once the CSA f****d up and arrears started appearing, they just jumped it up to 40% and issued a DEO on me without telling me. Even though they finally admitted they were wrong, and I got a measly £25 compensation (always ask for this if you have a justified case!) they still would not change this. I have submitted a Data Subject Access Request (costs £10 but worth it) to get all held data about my case and with that you can demand amongst other things a statement showing all income/outgoings from your CSA account which can then be used as proof that the CSA holds incorrect data (this is a breach of DPA) or make the case in extreme instances that the CSA is making fraudalent claims. How can anyone live off 60% of their wages?
Rob – with regards to your questions I am not sure of the level of access the CSA has to personal Bank Accounts but from my experience (and knowing what money-grabbing w*****s they are) I imagine that they can view your personal records (this is a Govt dept. afterall and Maintenance through the CSA is effectively Child Tax!). With regards to payslips, the CSA use these to see the details of your employer and how much on average you get paid. They then use this to work out how much you should give to the CSA. You state you get commission, I would in your position give them (I think you have to supply 3) recent payslips with the smallest commission on them. However the CSA might check this with your employer if it looks blatently wrong so to be seen to be helpful might work for you in that they will take you at your word. Whatever they decide, unless you contest it, make sure you make the payments each payday otherwise thats when the CSA issues a Deductions of Earnings Order which really screws things up!
I would not supply wrong information as they will use this against you either now or in the future. It may work short-term but after that who knows. I know someone who did it but they caught up with him as he started making a good career for himself and now he’s paying through the nose (the 40% mentioned earlier). I would suggest you look at other blogs on this site which may contain the information your after or you could phone CSA Options anonymously on their freephone number and ask them. Failing that you could use the Freedom of Information Act to get it out of them.
Good luck.
Could those posting perhaps answer my question above…
What percentage of your earnings do you think is fair to your child(ren) and yourself, in maintenance payments?
I assume all agree that you should be contributing something
Clair – I think most people posting on this site agree that maintenance should be paid, but this is situation specific so what you pay should reflect the PWC’s & NRP’s circumstances.
I assume you are not a victim of the CSA as you would not be asking this question if you were. Should the NRP be living on their own I don’t think 20% is unreasonable, however if the NRP has their own family I think 10% is ok.
Problem with the CSA is they just look at NRP’s earnings. There is no taking into account their expenses so I put this question to you: Do you think its right that a NRP with a new partner & children has to live below the breadline to make CSA payments to the PWC who is in a new relationship whose partner is in a well-paid job?
It has to be said that the PWC has entitlements to loads of benefits for children whereas the NRP has none. The system is unfair & discriminatory and if you read other posts you can see there is plenty of women (usually associated with NRP’s) who see how unfair this system is. Also what has not been mentioned is that when the relationship breaks down it is the NRP who often gets kicked out (even if it is not their fault!) & they have to find a new place,etc. whilst trying to hold down a job.
If the system was fair I wouldnt mind, but it isnt. If the CSA is going to work out maintenance then they should demand the incoming/outgoing’s of both PWC & NRP and then pro-rata the payments. All parents concerned wouldnt mind then.
Frank – mine was a simple enquiry, just to ask what NRPs think is an acceptable percentage to pay for their child(ren). You have answered your opinion and that is fine, its your opinion to give. No malice or anything untoward was intended in that question, it was simply curiosity on my part,
I would like however to hear more opinions, as I am also aware that many men do feel that they should contribute nothing at all either because they do not see their child(ren), or simply because they do not want to contribute.
I do wonder how the NRP would feel if the benefits available to the PWC ceased, and the NRP was as a consequence expected to pay more.
Keeping children is an expensive business and what it boils down to is someone has to foot the bill. SOME (I stress some) NRPs fail to realise just how much it costs and think it is acceptable for their child(ren) to live on the poverty line just because they are not living with them anymore.
Hi i am the wife of a man who has two children from a previous marrige we also have a child together, when they split 10yrs ago my husband gave his then wife and 2 children everything which inc 138,000 house bought outright so they would never have to pay rent or motgage the car and all possesions inc 1000.00 for each child in an account since then the ex has made it very difficult for him to see the children at all inc moving and not telling us where (we found her eventually) now he see’s one child when she wants to come over and the other not seen for years except when the husband takes up a card or present we have been to court for access which was granted but soon after the ex decided the child did not want to come and she made him very upset so we could not take him away. any way she has csa involved who are asking for nearly 400 a month my husband is self employed and not eanrning a great deal and i only work part time as i am looking after our child we live in rented as cannot afford a house and really dont have much at all we do not even get tax credits due to some kind of mistake 4yrs ago but i want to know 1 why he has to pay for a child he never see’s and has a new daddy that he is quite happy with but still wants what’s in our wallet and 2 why the csa dont look at the individual circumstances she has alot more than us and she gets the child benefit and tax credits and she gets what csa is paid so what makes her children so much more special than mine that hers needs more its unfair no wonder the father can never move on his life is ruined and the new wife gets fed up with her child being deprived of the same good things his other children get ps we have also offered the ex a private agreement but she will not even speak the government need to stop this as the mothers are ruling these poor men who dont even get a say
Hi..im the partner of the nrp in our case. And altho i dont disagree that he should pay csa. Im damned if my 3 children will suffer poverty because of this. My partner goes to work to support us as a new family of 5. Not to fund his exs lifestyle. And yes they should calculate the award for his kids based on his wage. NOT MY KIDS CHILDTAX CREDITS!!!! They had a private arrangement until she found he got a promotion an payrise. Then got csa involved. Why should my partners payrise fund the upbringing of her kids when she doesnt even work..Theyre not my kids,his ex doesnt let him c them as shes a spiteful lyin tart. So why the hell should my kids go without to pay for the upbringing of kids that arent even mine… CSA – C-rap S-ystem A-llround
Ok this is what you should do…
1) Leave your job.
2) Claim JSA but say you were sacked to qualify for the claim and £10pm will be deducted from your benefit.
3) Start work again but give a slightly different NI number to your real one.
4) Be sure to sign on every fortnight stating you’re ‘looking for work’.
OR……
Move abroad.
Point of view of an Australiam mum.
I am the majority carer of my child and always have been.
The deadbeat dad is the claimant, and the CSA takes money from me, whether I am employed or not (sometimes in the past 13 years I have changed jobs and have no income for a month or two.) to give to him.
I am disgusted by the CSA. It’s as plain as that.
MY CHILD SUFFERS POVERTY BECAUSE of the CSA. Because the deadbeat dad needs his rent and food and interstate holidays subsidised.
Did you now that the CSA is a subset of the ATO in Australia? It is not and was never aimed at children. It’s purpose is to reduce Government payouts to unemployed and underemployed (mostly single) parents.
When I lost my job a couple of years ago – my productivity fell when I was being harrassed at home and at work by this deadbeat dad to the point I was ‘let go’ – the CSA used a deemed income to decide my chid support payments. I was on zero income. He ran two businesses that produced a loss on paper, like he always has. I followed every legal avenue available to sort out the mess but it just made it worse. They took everything. So my daughter and I live in poverty while he sits happily in his housing commission home living off me and you with cockroaches running through the kitchen that my daughter has to put up with when she’s there.
Anyone who belives that only bad parents try to avoid the CSA or their child rearing obligations – you are mistaken.
I’m speechless on how much help there is for NRP to avoid paying for their children so tell me all ya faithful people – is there as much help for single mother PWC like me. after 4 years I’ve got pregnant and ex decided to have nothing to do with either of us. He changed his phone numbers, his job, address probably the looks too lol and now traced by CSA he is hiding his income from dividends and all that ltd business and I’m sure he will go further in avoiding paying for his child.
I’m working full time 13 hours a day, sometime longer and even work on the weekends. My mother has quit her job to help me with the baby – he is only 5 months old!!! I do not and never have lead fancy lifestyle nor do I even have time to go out. I’ve had to carry all expenses in preparing for birth (and everybody knows just how much it costs!!!) and supporting the family of 3 people. Not to mention that been a single mother and recovering from emergency c-section is NOT easy thing to do.
Now will ANY ONE of you have guts to tell ME what to do??? No “oh so sorry” please, I am ACTUALLY asking you – what should mother like me do???
hi,
my ex has a baby to a girl 2 yrs ago (1 night stand). he told her from day 1 he wasnt ready to be a dad, even moved abroad to get away from her (already had a kid to another man and lied about being on the pill and generally stalkerish!)
i met him abroad we moved bk to england together n accidently fell pregnant, she got wind an contacted the csa about the 2 yr old son.
we tried to offer he payments thru us and not the csa also requested to see this child on regular occasions, to which we were told to go f our selves, her child is more important than mine and repeatedly wrote on facebook how she was going to “get him for every penny he has” and how she was going to treat herself to a holiday and a new car with his money.
We cant afford the solicitors fees to gain access to the child and now my partner is stuck paying csa a ridiulous amount a week, which as a mother i knw it doesnt cost that much to raise a child!!
Some one tell me my partner is a deadbeat dad i dare you! hes an amazing dad n gives my son everything, but why should he pay for something he was tricked into and tried to make her see sense???
So what options do we have? other than to pay for the next 15 years so she can get her nails done???
Someone must know a loophole because this isnt fair!!!!!
All the above is redundant once you get one fact clear – keep it in your trousers if you don’t want to be responsible for your child.
I worked for the dwp for 10 years and I know that they are the most incompetent bunch of paperpushers in the world.To cut a long story short, I was told I owed some arreas and demanded a staement as I kept my own records.They failed as usual to provide this and the now sent another letter(This time a lesser amount) and I challeneged it on the grounds that if I had paid the first demand which was higher,it begs the question if i did owe anything anyway.As usual they made an attachtment to earning because of my refusal.I took them to court and won.Now the mother is a greedy one as all she wants is money money money
To Doris,
Females can get pregnant, it’s not a miracle nor hard! But to lie to men telling them not to worry about using condoms is disgusting! It takes two to make a baby…. it also takes two people to make a decision about having a baby! Blame the man for just wanting a bit of sex, why don’t WOMEN stop being dirty… lying…. nasty slappers! Why don’t women say NO CONDOM…… NO SEX……. SIMPLE!! Why blame the man? don’t you look after your own body? If you get fat, do you blame the man? Also MEN……. most women don’t enjoy SEX, so if i girl says don’t worry…..DO WORRY…….SHE HAS A PLAN! Hookers are good …….. at least you get what you paid for!!!!!
ha ha ha lola brilliant!
i earn £140pw i work part time 30 hours a week i have all ways had contact with my children and like many others on here payed my x cash in hand which i stupidley never got proof of csa have now put a doe on my earnings and said they will be taking 40% of my wages for maintenance and arrears which they say is now £25.000 im now left with 87.00 pw to live on my rent is £70 on its own which leaves me £17 a week for everything else i now have no option but to hand in my notice and go on the dole they told me that out of the £200 plus pounds a month that they will be taking only £10 a week will go to my children how is this fair.
as i told the csa guy i spoke to yesterday no one has won in this situation not the csa or my self im now about to be unemployed which means they will not have any wages off me to take .
i have no clue what to do or how to go forward from this point on there is no light at the end of this bleak tunnel.
i would just like to say good luck to any of you in the same situation i find my self in.
I understand alot of the mens views, fair enough they have been robbed in certain circumstances. But alot of other men deserve to get harrassed and tortured by the CSA. My daughters absent father would not care if she was living or dead. He has evaded the CSA for a long time. My daughter is now 17, but she still has needs and I have scrimped and saved for years to provide for her and have went without countless times myself. He on the other hand is driving round in a top of the range car, best of style and has a live in girlfriend with four children which he provides for. He has now been caught by the CSA and will damn well pay his dues. Every ones situation is different, but in my case he deserves everything he gets and more!!!
be aware! …if years ago the PWC applies to the CSA…but then there is a private agreement reached…..the CSA claim HAS NOT ENDED! It is a live claim that can be referred back to at any time by the PWC. I know this because it has just happened to us.
Also……..doesn’t any one else feel it is so unfair that maintenance is totally disregarded for benefit purposes for the PWC…(HB CTB and IS/IBJSA)….BUT it is still counted in full as income for benefit purposes for the household of the NRP.
My boyfriends ex gets nearly £500 a week from her benefits and maintenance…….no wonder its not worth her getting out of bed in the morning to go to work.
Final rant…………….how come the PWC gets the final say with overnight stays??? We submitted our nights….she disagreed….she won…….. WTF!
Hi all,
1st … see these sites ok… below,,, ASAP!! ASAP!!
http://childsupportadvice.co.uk/
http://www.nacsa.co.uk/index.php
2nd… Advice OK,Advice OK…. been there got the teashirt and stains 24/7 .. war?
Never,never call or contact CSA or your Ex … stay very low,low profile until last child 19th birthday… in back ground always, yes its hard very hard indeed, , the Ex never conflict her words, or access rights,nights etc, etc..no point she will win hands down in UK court.. she will enjoy beating you, costing you loads of £££ and pain.. thats the rules here, very sorry to say?. just look for peaceful life, move on, enjoy life, your child will understand in time? .. trust me.. yes take time out?
3rd.. Open Offshore Bank a/c in Uk ££ via Internet … HSBC or others in Channel Islands, it costs £20 per month or so to run FULL BANK a/c etc, etc, put Uk wages in, to it via bacs from Work or Company , its free from Uk … Sorry but you need £5k to open this a/c in 2012 , please use credit card loan if need be, .. pay it in and out after opening,, simple?
4th … No .. Uk Bank a/c Court Order there ok you see!! .. ALL CASH 100% SAFE.. opt to pay their taxes.. and earn small intrest, too ,thus no contact to HMRC in Uk…ok (sorry, you cant get loans if you have Uk address, uk govt rules, so may need overseas one if you wish to have loan on their bank a/c).. Uk Banks cant see these a/c’s so your UK credit score is limited … but wont limit you?
5th.. DOE on wages.. Very Sorry you will have to move job asap!! many,many times even.. just go, sign up HMRC Self Employed and but work PAYE, Agency, Ltd Company.. etc, etc …work out of Uk if you wish/can .. confuse HMRC.. not to easy to do? in 2012, but they have NEW PC (Computer) in Wales thats up to speed now, so take great care ok?
6th.. Down side you will have to keep this up for 10-15 years maybe,y es until your youngest childs 19th birthday ok… yes, Yes very – very hard work but you are in charge of CSA not them in charge of YOU!!!.,,,,,,, .Ok
7th… Now get CSA … FINAL FULL ACCESMENT of arrears owed, via companies above? only get them to contact and set up payment from DOE or direct to CSA via them only, before challange is made on amount owed.. or to pay off?
8th… CSA Liability Orders, if you get one turn up in court ok… sorry a must., but give limited info to courts or CSA, instuct above web site people, tell courts this … never give wages, bank a/c or job employer info, never never.. sorry but court will just rubber stamp it , the CSA case, sorry to say?.. thats the way it goes?, just go smile, be nice ok?,, say little?
9th… look out CSA going to use HMRCin 2012 to obtain Court Orders or use info on you/company etc,,, so take great care with your offshore or Uk bank a/c and mobile No (only use pay as you go) with them all, on answer phone (never answer none ID calls?) .. not Mobile a/c. in your name ether,and take care of UK govt info given,, paying council tax (cash only) ,voting forms (opt out) etc, etc.. very low profile only ok? own car (DVLA) car insurance look out, company van better,, no trace on it you see.. if you can, able to?
10th … Yes done all these and more,more to stay one step ahead… afloat, now paying off arrears of £12,000 in 2012 better than paying £50,000 asked since year 2000 or paid – up at £540 month that the CSA asked that time 2001… required for 11 years? that time putting me in to bankrupcy, lost £200,000 on family house sale to ex and major court fees to pay after appeal in 2002, that lost me £££££££££ … and accsess rights failed also to my two kids (Daddy Girls) ..but now 19y and 21y and no contact with ex or kids long time now,, so sad but i’m in peace, remarried 2006, happy, loving life?.. planning ahead at last?
cu Pjx
I have been reading the quotes on several subjects on this site and as a straight forward dad I sometimes feel we miss the point. My son is 9yrs old, I have spent 25k on solicitors getting access to my son over the years when this year my ex took a final stab at accusing me of child abuse? This was thrown out of court in 11minutes, did she get repremanded? did she get charged with contempt of court? Of course not. In our soceity the word “mum” may as well be God.
Through all this I have paid the CSA thousands, this year alone they have 9 of may payslips as my ex keeps asking for a review with no reason than to cause stress. Does she get told to stop wasting the CSA time and money. No
Lets be clear, most dad’s if asked would put anything into a bank account for their child to access when they are 18, or give it to a trusted family member to help with the cost of raising a child. We give it to mum or “God”, does the CSA make sure that money is spent on your child and not hair, make up and nails? No. Do they make sure percentages are spent on requirements for children, No.
It isn’t about the child, it is about topping up the benefit agency, otherwise it would be directed at the child. The CSA I talk to couldn’t care less about my son, as long as they tick another case off.
I have fought the system and won some battles, lost more. So I say to those people who state avoiding the CSA is a bad step. As long as we put up with the system, the system will not develop to suit or help you or perish the thought your kids! Therefore sometimes drastic action is needed to make people hear you. If you wish to circumvent the CSA, good on you, but pay an amount that is fair and you can live with. 15% is lot of anyones money, it doesn’t cost 15% of 100k to raise a child, why isn’t it capped?
I always find it amazing when you ask families that are still together, “how much a week do think it costs to raise a child?”. It is never near the amount I pay! The government has already given us a bench mark – Child Benefit. Should that not be 15% of your net wage too in the spirit of fairness and equality?
As I said, the CSA have never been about the children…. that is the sadess fact of all.
My ex and I agreed an amount to be paid weekly for my beautiful 2 week old daughter’s maintenence some months back. Ex has contributed nothing during the pregnancy to prepare for the new baby and is now saying I have to wait until the end of the month for her maintenance. He doesn’t want me to apply to the csa as it will cost him more financially. I am on a low wage, this month is particularly tight financially until tax credits and child benefit kicks in. I fail to understand how you can promote csa avoidance as acceptable or not paying for your child. If my ex hadn’t suddenly decided he didn’t want a baby I wouldn’t be in need of tax credits or csa, I wouldn’t be broke and going without essentials because I had to fund a new home, it’s contents and baby equipment. Think on, feckless fathers. Think on.
Cost of raising a child: extra bedroom, increased utilities, maternity clothes for mum, breast feeding bras and tops for mum, baby clothes, equipment and consumables. – nappies, toiletries for mum and baby, cotton wool etc etc
I can’t buy everything from car boots, ebay and charity shops.
ONE VERY ANGRY NEW MUM
Ok I see what your saying
“He doesn’t want me to apply to the csa as it will cost him more financially. I am on a low wage, this month is particularly tight financially until tax credits and child benefit kicks in. I fail to understand how you can promote csa avoidance as acceptable or not paying for your child. If my ex hadn’t suddenly decided he didn’t want a baby I wouldn’t be in need of tax credits or csa, I wouldn’t be broke and going without essentials because I had to fund a new home, it’s contents and baby equipment. Think on, feckless fathers. Think on.
Cost of raising a child: extra bedroom, increased utilities, maternity clothes for mum, breast feeding bras and tops for mum, baby clothes, equipment and consumables. – nappies, toiletries for mum and baby, cotton wool etc etc
I can’t buy everything from car boots, ebay and charity shops.”
So did you think about all of this before you jumped into bed with the father?????? answer probably not. Have you stopped to think that finances may be tight for him which is why he can’t afford to pay you. Think of it the other way around, lets say he has custody of the child and he goes to the CSA to chase you for funds and they start raping you for 15% of your income, do you think you can afford it?
The CSA once involved is an open door for funds to be raped from the NRPs income or bank or through a forced order of sale from his property, but you are not guaranteed to see all of that money. most goes into their public bank account then off to the consolidation fund owned by the government. What ever is left goes to their stakeholders who believe it or not, are anonymous.
The CSA have no duty of care to the children, the PWC or the NRP, again this was admitted by the Agency, what we strongly recommend is that you do your research into what this Agency or the Commission as they like to refer to themselves now and look beyond the smoke screen and wake up to what is really going on.
The research we have done has really opened our eyes, you need to do the same
deadbeatdadsassociation.co.uk
Just a thought. Dads buy vouchers for your kids don’t give the mothers money! I mean what use will they find in mothercare or toys are us products? I’m being shafted twice with the CIA, I mean CSA! And for three yrs I spent ££s on family courts for my five year old and ernt thru hell with CRAPCASS for me to just give up I had no alternative. My youngest childs mother has since been in touch with the CSA, and has also stated recently to my best mate she bumped in to-she only wanted a mix race child and that’s why she was with me! I gave my all to both relationships to be repaid with not seeing my children grow up and not afford anymore the courts! CSA + DWP = PWC – NRP X one mixed up parentless kid in the future! Conclusion, just walk away and pay what YOU can afford! Afterall we know everything we buy has a value! How much can we afford depends on our situations. But don’t let them shaft u as they and the courts and PWC have!
Someone I know changed there identity and moved to another country.
yip John M is def a man,how the hell do they think they can take that kind on money off the hard working dads that want to pay for there kids and only there kids.
the ex’s just want to rip the arse off you its disgusting nothing less.
it needs to stop and they need to be fair to the men that have been used as bank account and a free ticket to not working
Hi all
Hope I can get some advice here!!
I have a child of 17yrs old and he will be 18 in June, I have had a call and a letter from the CSA on Friday, saying that I have to submit my details and fill in a assessment. I put the phone down on them but still have the forms to fill.
My ex wife has a son of 21 whom I brought up as my own until we divorced 10 years ago. ( He thinks I am his real father as she has never told him, another long story but she never ever requested payments from his biological donor!)
Anyway we had the divorce and she got to keep the house and I was ordered to pay £40 per week for the youngest child and had both kids stay with me 3nights per week. The oldest lad stopped staying at around 16 as he was out late ect etc… The younger lad my own son still stays 3 nights per week and I decided at 17 he got himself a part time job that it was time to stop paying the £40 to my Ex, I did tell my son about this and how I will be supporting him with him going to Uni in September and helping as I would.
The Ex rang me In November demanding her money and why i stopped paying ( this was just before her and her long term live in partner were about to fly out to Jamaica!!) I just said that I had given enough and I do have my new family with twin boys by my wife and partner of 9 years to also consider and times are tough especially as I nave had no pay increase for 6 years.
I have always looked after my kids and do not treat the oldest lad any different and he still comes to see me and looks to me as his dad.
Is there any way that she can carry through with this and if I do have to pay will it be from now until june or for the whole year?
I get pait in my wages £520.00 per week and £100.00 of that is to cover my fuel and car repairs etc and is on my wage slips as car allowance, so in reality it is £420.00 per week ( I hope) and have two 3 year old boys a wife and mortgage etc.
I would appreciate if someone can advise me and how much they will want from me taking into account all the above.
Many thanks
Simon
I have just received a letter from the CSA saying I have to pay £38 per week for my son who is 17 , he did not stay on at school and he got a job , then he left it , but they took him back a couple of months later only for him to pack it in again , I rang the CSA and said that it is in no way fair that I am having to pay for him as its not my fault he did not stick to his job , and they said that if my Ex is still receiving child benefit for him then she is defrauding the system , They are going to investigate to see if she is receiving child benefit and that I have to Phone them back to find out if she has . and if she has then they are expecting me to report her to the DWP , but I do not want to do that , all I want is that I have paid my way and now it stops , but I have read that if your child leaves school at 16 and not in any kind of education then you do not have to pay anything else , can somebody confirm this.
ok if i do not live in the UK but live in Brazil and never been served an order from the CSA at anytime can they make me pay anything if i do not live or work in the UK?????
Why dont all NRPs get together collectively rather than seperately ? If we all signed a petition against the CSA and how they deal with NRPs then surely something has to change ! The CSA has had many years of getting it massively wrong ,costing the tax payer millions They destroy families far more than they help . I have a daughter who I adore and Im more than willing to help support … The CSA have taken absolutely nothing into account of my mortgage , bills etc . I am a low wage earner already on the poverty line, earning just over £6 an hour . The CSA have taken 15% of what I havent got as well because I am a low earner a percentage of my working tax credit , which the government give me recognising I dont earn enough and yet the CSA , who clearly dont care have decided that they want their share of that as well . Despite already being in arrears with my mortgage and going down hill fast , the CSA do not want to listen or help in any way what so ever . This is a brief account of my story , but the end result will be ill loose my job , my home and become a burden on this country and the CSA who I have asked , no pleaded with ,but they refuse to meet with me or help in any way ! I would rather go before a judge in a family court and pay what I can fairly and honestly afford . I call all NRPs therefore to sign a petition lets get this failing department closed down with all their threats and basically bully boy tactics . Write to your local MPs , after all we are voters too . I thought this was the United Kingdom where we up held democracy and fair play , yet how Ive been treated is disgusting . Funny how governments rant on about the importance of family life and yet the CSA is ripping families apart .
Sir/Ma’am,
My wife left me 06 Oct 11 and took our (then)2 month old son. All she ever wanted was a baby and now she has him I was surplus to requirements. She wouldnt let me see my son and was constantly asking for money. I finally saw my son last Thursday (19 Jan) and it had gone ok. But then she changed her mind and said “you have seen him now why cant you just leave us alone”. And I am in the Army with a tour of Afghan later in the year. She said I should use the time away to forget about him and it would be better if I never came back”. I simply cannot afford a solicitor. I have been left with the marriage debt – £20,000 which I pay £530 a month. On top of that CSA are taking £700 out next month, so for March I will have no money ! From March she will get £318 per month which I find a bit steep. How can I get access to my son regularly without a solicitor ? Can I get my CSA payments lowered in anyway ?
I am grateful for any help you can offer.
Ian,
You may be able to get a variation to child maintenance re the debt, if you meet the criteria, but you will need to apply for such.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2001/156/part/III/made
Special expenses—prior debts
12.—(1) Subject to the following paragraphs of this regulation and regulation 15, the repayment of debts to which paragraph (2) applies shall constitute expenses for the purposes of paragraph 2(2) of Schedule 4B to the Act where those debts were incurred—
(a)before the non-resident parent became a non-resident parent in relation to the qualifying child; and
(b)at the time when the non-resident parent and the person with care in relation to the child referred to in sub-paragraph (a) were a couple.
(2) This paragraph applies to debts incurred—
(a)for the joint benefit of the non-resident parent and the person with care;
(b)for the benefit of the person with care where the non-resident parent remains legally liable to repay the whole or part of the debt;
(c)for the benefit of any person who is not a child but who at the time the debt was incurred—
(i)was a child;
(ii)lived with the non-resident parent and the person with care; and
(iii)of whom the non-resident parent or the person with care is the parent, or both are the parents;
(d)for the benefit of the qualifying child referred to in paragraph (1); or
(e)for the benefit of any child, other than the qualifying child referred to in paragraph (1), who, at the time the debt was incurred—
(i)lived with the non-resident parent and the person with care; and
(ii)of whom the person with care is the parent.
(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to repayment of—
Effect on maintenance calculation—special expenses
23.—(1) Subject to paragraph (2) and regulations 26 and 27, where the variation agreed to is one falling within regulation 10 to 14 (special expenses) effect shall be given to the variation in the maintenance calculation by deducting from the net weekly income of the non-resident parent the weekly amount of those expenses.
(2) Where the income which is taken into account in the maintenance calculation is the capped amount and the variation agreed to is one falling within regulation 10 to 14 then—
(a)the weekly amount of the expenses shall first be deducted from the actual net weekly income of the non-resident parent;
(b)the amount by the which the capped amount exceeds the figure calculated under sub-paragraph (a) shall be calculated; and
(c)effect shall be given to the variation in the maintenance calculation by deducting from the capped amount the amount calculated under sub-paragraph (b)for the benefit of the qualifying child referred to in paragraph (1); or
(e)for the benefit of any child, other than the qualifying child referred to in paragraph (1), who, at the time the debt was incurred—
(i)lived with the non-resident parent and the person with care; and
(ii)of whom the person with care is the parent.
Child contact is a different matter, if no mutual agreement can be reach will possibly need court intervention, which you can apply for using a C100 form (you will need to pay a fee). You can download the form from the HMRC website and act for yourself (Litigant In Person).
Plenty of support groups now have Mckenzie Friends, who can assist and attend court with you.
chall ~ afairercsaforall
EVERYONE GET YOUR MP involved!! NO matter what.
Regardless send them a copy of every letter you send to the CSA.
Don’t let the MP do nothing! Stand up and get the MP over worked with local CSA cases guaranteed to piss them off and force the issues directly with higher CSA bods.
Please pass this message on.
CSA will only take notice if an MP gets pissed off
Thanks
Brian
There’s hope chaps
I was evicted from my children’s life, my wife left with me with a non mol order on my lap. Through the courts i have all but cleared my name and have gone for custody of my 2 awesome kids.
The Cafcass report was damning against her and both kids pleaded to live with me and my now new partner.
Although my ex was a cow and thought that one overnight a fortnight was enough, and ive paid my CSA dilligently as i dont want my kids to miss out despite me only earning a fraction of the 32k she does, the tables are turning.
I have now been awarded 5 nights a fortnight with a review to see if the kids still want to live with me…….. if so in 3 months they will be allowed.
CSA have been less than helpfull throughout all this but we do all have an obligation, as i will find when i am able to turn the tables and ask for payments from my lying ex.
There are ways to get out of things, such as the route im having to take, as i unfortunately work for my ex’s father who has made my life a misery for the last year. Not for long though as i have enough now to take him and the company to tribunal.
It just goes to show that, in some cases the lovely partners we all once had that turned out to be evil money grabbing cows do get their just desserts some times…. just a thought to cheer some of you up