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		<title>By: Alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sometimes it&#039;s not the dad&#039;s that get screwed. My partners ex husband had a court order that said he must pay £500 a month for his two children...after he signed it he turned round to my partner and said, changed my mind..here&#039;s £100...taking it back to court would just eat all the money in legal fees. So she tried the CSA...they&#039;ve turned round and made it £60 a month. this despite him driving around in a brand new BMW M3 convertible, owning two houses and a shop!!! 

I can see that it&#039;s not fair on all people but don&#039;t for one moment think they always screw the dads over!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sometimes it&#8217;s not the dad&#8217;s that get screwed. My partners ex husband had a court order that said he must pay £500 a month for his two children&#8230;after he signed it he turned round to my partner and said, changed my mind..here&#8217;s £100&#8230;taking it back to court would just eat all the money in legal fees. So she tried the CSA&#8230;they&#8217;ve turned round and made it £60 a month. this despite him driving around in a brand new BMW M3 convertible, owning two houses and a shop!!! </p>
<p>I can see that it&#8217;s not fair on all people but don&#8217;t for one moment think they always screw the dads over!!</p>
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		<title>By: distressedfamily</title>
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		<dc:creator>distressedfamily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone explain this clerical assessment to me please im struggling with the csa im paying £510 pounds a month for one child and i have been paying for years and my arrears are up 5000 although i paid 2 grand last year towards the arrears it hasnt made a slight bit of difference ?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone explain this clerical assessment to me please im struggling with the csa im paying £510 pounds a month for one child and i have been paying for years and my arrears are up 5000 although i paid 2 grand last year towards the arrears it hasnt made a slight bit of difference ?????</p>
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		<title>By: SB</title>
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		<dc:creator>SB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 17:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Garry,  you can write in and ask for a clerical assessment to be done on your case, it brings up different figures to a computerised one, but they do round figures off, it is done with everyone. If you wish to request a clerical assessment then ask for it under the FOI Act 2000 and send it recorded delivery to your office that deals with your claim. Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garry,  you can write in and ask for a clerical assessment to be done on your case, it brings up different figures to a computerised one, but they do round figures off, it is done with everyone. If you wish to request a clerical assessment then ask for it under the FOI Act 2000 and send it recorded delivery to your office that deals with your claim. Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: garry.</title>
		<link>http://www.csahell.com/how-much-is-enough-116.html/comment-page-1#comment-595</link>
		<dc:creator>garry.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have just been hit by the c.s.a due to a bitter mother just wanting more and more.the c.s.a have assesed me and say that i have to pay £41.73 per week on my earnings but then they rounded it up to £42.00..i contacted them and asked how could this be right..they just keep repeeting to me that its the law.i have asked how can it be law to in &quot; essence ask for £41.73 and then steal 27p&quot; i thaught it was against the law to steal..if we went into a shop and was 27p short to pay for something but took it anyway we would get prosicuted..but who can prosicute the c.s.a...if anyone can help please tell me..its not that i dont want to pay for my kids coz i was doing that before the bitter mother went to the c.s.a but i dont want to pay extra and no that they wont benefit from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have just been hit by the c.s.a due to a bitter mother just wanting more and more.the c.s.a have assesed me and say that i have to pay £41.73 per week on my earnings but then they rounded it up to £42.00..i contacted them and asked how could this be right..they just keep repeeting to me that its the law.i have asked how can it be law to in &#8221; essence ask for £41.73 and then steal 27p&#8221; i thaught it was against the law to steal..if we went into a shop and was 27p short to pay for something but took it anyway we would get prosicuted..but who can prosicute the c.s.a&#8230;if anyone can help please tell me..its not that i dont want to pay for my kids coz i was doing that before the bitter mother went to the c.s.a but i dont want to pay extra and no that they wont benefit from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Struggling Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Struggling Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks very much like the CSA are only protecting their own need to not have to work very hard!

I can&#039;t find any positive stories about the CSA, but then perhaps no-one needs to write it down when things are going well?

I was married to a top rate tax payer, he earns good money and gets at least 25% of his salary as a bonus...  We left him when the violence started on the children and went to a refuge, I filed for divorce when he punched my father in the face.

For well over a year my ex lived in the nice family home whilst 3 children, our baby and I lived in what is delightfully described as temporary accommodation.  Eventually (over a year later) the courts awarded the children and me the house (complete with its killer mortgage), no maintenance for me (that&#039;s cool, the house was a reasonable swap) and the &quot;CSA rate&quot; maintenance by court order for the children.  In return I had to pay him a large lump sum in cash as a deposit on his own property, with the assurances that the court system would make him pay...........

You guessed.  I paid, he didn&#039;t.  It took 4 months to get it back to court, where he was ordered to pay.........  He paid for 4 months and then decided that as his new partner was pregnant he should stop paying!

Back to court it went, where the court said (despite their earlier promises to protect the kids) that it was a matter for the CSA, who were &quot;a very effective organisation&quot; - What planet does that judge live on, does he not read the papers?

Two months later, the CSA make a decision and they use the wrong salary figures and ignore the bonus, expense payments, etc. etc. etc.  I supply the correct ones and they say &quot;yes, that matches our paperwork.&quot;  I reply to say in that case, how do you get the figure to be almost £200 less than your on-line service.&quot;  The reply is that since they have no new evidence, they can&#039;t do anything else....  I asked them why they didn&#039;t use the old evidence properly, and their response was that if I was going to be unreasonable they could refuse to talk to me!

I will now be going to tribunal to challenge their process.  I&#039;d much rather have had the child support as a lump sum, not had such a big mortgage etc. etc. but I was told I could not forfeit the children&#039;s rights to &quot;proper and reasonable maintenance&quot; - yes, the maintenance that the children don&#039;t get and have not had for well over 2 years...

Clearly the right to screw up a child&#039;s right to proper support lies solely with the government...

Why are the good dads who want to pay bulied and fleeced, whist the rubbish ones are allowed to ride roughshod over the system?

Facts are totally irrelevant to the CSA and it seems that there is no real right to challenge their arrogance!

Time for a change?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks very much like the CSA are only protecting their own need to not have to work very hard!</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t find any positive stories about the CSA, but then perhaps no-one needs to write it down when things are going well?</p>
<p>I was married to a top rate tax payer, he earns good money and gets at least 25% of his salary as a bonus&#8230;  We left him when the violence started on the children and went to a refuge, I filed for divorce when he punched my father in the face.</p>
<p>For well over a year my ex lived in the nice family home whilst 3 children, our baby and I lived in what is delightfully described as temporary accommodation.  Eventually (over a year later) the courts awarded the children and me the house (complete with its killer mortgage), no maintenance for me (that&#8217;s cool, the house was a reasonable swap) and the &#8220;CSA rate&#8221; maintenance by court order for the children.  In return I had to pay him a large lump sum in cash as a deposit on his own property, with the assurances that the court system would make him pay&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>You guessed.  I paid, he didn&#8217;t.  It took 4 months to get it back to court, where he was ordered to pay&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;  He paid for 4 months and then decided that as his new partner was pregnant he should stop paying!</p>
<p>Back to court it went, where the court said (despite their earlier promises to protect the kids) that it was a matter for the CSA, who were &#8220;a very effective organisation&#8221; &#8211; What planet does that judge live on, does he not read the papers?</p>
<p>Two months later, the CSA make a decision and they use the wrong salary figures and ignore the bonus, expense payments, etc. etc. etc.  I supply the correct ones and they say &#8220;yes, that matches our paperwork.&#8221;  I reply to say in that case, how do you get the figure to be almost £200 less than your on-line service.&#8221;  The reply is that since they have no new evidence, they can&#8217;t do anything else&#8230;.  I asked them why they didn&#8217;t use the old evidence properly, and their response was that if I was going to be unreasonable they could refuse to talk to me!</p>
<p>I will now be going to tribunal to challenge their process.  I&#8217;d much rather have had the child support as a lump sum, not had such a big mortgage etc. etc. but I was told I could not forfeit the children&#8217;s rights to &#8220;proper and reasonable maintenance&#8221; &#8211; yes, the maintenance that the children don&#8217;t get and have not had for well over 2 years&#8230;</p>
<p>Clearly the right to screw up a child&#8217;s right to proper support lies solely with the government&#8230;</p>
<p>Why are the good dads who want to pay bulied and fleeced, whist the rubbish ones are allowed to ride roughshod over the system?</p>
<p>Facts are totally irrelevant to the CSA and it seems that there is no real right to challenge their arrogance!</p>
<p>Time for a change?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Davies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a 13 year old from a previous relationship, I have recently become a father again and contacted the CSA to log the fact that my Wife was on maternity leave and that my son was born on the 30th Oct, as I didnt send in the info immediately they are taking my claim as of the day they received the info, total joke, the other load of crap is travelling to work costs.  I live 17 miles away from my work and travel a minimum of 34 miles a day , some days I do 68 miles.  This counts for nothing as travel costs are based on distance as the crow flies!!! That means as my car cant go over water I lose out by being 10 miles under the minimum!!! WORK THAT ONE OUT!!! Bet you the government ministers claiming mileage would have a heart attack if their finance department told them they couldnt get their mileage allowances as they hadnt recorded mileage as the crow flies!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a 13 year old from a previous relationship, I have recently become a father again and contacted the CSA to log the fact that my Wife was on maternity leave and that my son was born on the 30th Oct, as I didnt send in the info immediately they are taking my claim as of the day they received the info, total joke, the other load of crap is travelling to work costs.  I live 17 miles away from my work and travel a minimum of 34 miles a day , some days I do 68 miles.  This counts for nothing as travel costs are based on distance as the crow flies!!! That means as my car cant go over water I lose out by being 10 miles under the minimum!!! WORK THAT ONE OUT!!! Bet you the government ministers claiming mileage would have a heart attack if their finance department told them they couldnt get their mileage allowances as they hadnt recorded mileage as the crow flies!!</p>
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		<title>By: CSA Victim</title>
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		<dc:creator>CSA Victim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A word of warning to anyone with a private agreement

I had one with my ex and it lasted peacfully for years, It included an agreement that neither of us would ever use the CSA again. All was fine until she demanded more money and i said NO. next I know those theiving scum are on my back again. Their reply to my complaint &quot;its up to her if she wants to use us&quot;

So these agreements are only binding on the farther and as always they will ignore facts to pursue you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A word of warning to anyone with a private agreement</p>
<p>I had one with my ex and it lasted peacfully for years, It included an agreement that neither of us would ever use the CSA again. All was fine until she demanded more money and i said NO. next I know those theiving scum are on my back again. Their reply to my complaint &#8220;its up to her if she wants to use us&#8221;</p>
<p>So these agreements are only binding on the farther and as always they will ignore facts to pursue you</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Stevenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Stevenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zx122003 - If you have sex with someone, it is both parties responsibility to use protection. If you didn&#039;t want a child you should of thought more about protecting yourself, rather than relying on the other party to use protection.

cooka - From the 27th October with the Section 6 changes, the Parent with Care on Benefits will now get £20 of the Child support per week instead of the previous £10 and can keep any more on top of that, which is paid but has to inform the Benefits Agency who would reduce her entitlements accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zx122003 &#8211; If you have sex with someone, it is both parties responsibility to use protection. If you didn&#8217;t want a child you should of thought more about protecting yourself, rather than relying on the other party to use protection.</p>
<p>cooka &#8211; From the 27th October with the Section 6 changes, the Parent with Care on Benefits will now get £20 of the Child support per week instead of the previous £10 and can keep any more on top of that, which is paid but has to inform the Benefits Agency who would reduce her entitlements accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: cooka</title>
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		<dc:creator>cooka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why do we have to pay £596.00 per month to a mother that has never got off her backside to try and find a job now that the kids are over 16 she got them to sign on to careers office which means we have to keep on paying until csa says no can anyone tell me because she is on benefits and the new rules after 27 October is she allowed to keep all the maintenace and not have to pay any rent or council tax</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why do we have to pay £596.00 per month to a mother that has never got off her backside to try and find a job now that the kids are over 16 she got them to sign on to careers office which means we have to keep on paying until csa says no can anyone tell me because she is on benefits and the new rules after 27 October is she allowed to keep all the maintenace and not have to pay any rent or council tax</p>
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		<title>By: zx122003</title>
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		<dc:creator>zx122003</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets turn the table. If a guy is seeing a woman for casual sex. And that woman gets pregnant by mistake. She is then pregnant, this pregnancy was un intention. On both parties. When they agreed to hve sex it was under the presumption that the girl was using protection. She then syas that she was not using any protection. When she has told the guy she was. She then decides to keep the child. The man has no choice in this. Well to be fair. Woman are then 100% responsible. How about woman who get pregnant to a single guy must hand over the child to the father. The father is then given a house to live in child benefit etc..full custody of the child and the woman must go to work. After she has been at work for 40 hours a week she must pay 15% of her salary to the man. When she works over time, she must hand over 15%, when she claims petrol allowance, she must pay 15% when she is working in highly volatile parts of the world to earn more money she must pay 15%. When she  has a meal in a hotel because she is working over seas in dangerous parts of the world and she claims expenses she must pay 15% of that as well.  Well ladies what do think? How do like them apples?

Now that would be fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets turn the table. If a guy is seeing a woman for casual sex. And that woman gets pregnant by mistake. She is then pregnant, this pregnancy was un intention. On both parties. When they agreed to hve sex it was under the presumption that the girl was using protection. She then syas that she was not using any protection. When she has told the guy she was. She then decides to keep the child. The man has no choice in this. Well to be fair. Woman are then 100% responsible. How about woman who get pregnant to a single guy must hand over the child to the father. The father is then given a house to live in child benefit etc..full custody of the child and the woman must go to work. After she has been at work for 40 hours a week she must pay 15% of her salary to the man. When she works over time, she must hand over 15%, when she claims petrol allowance, she must pay 15% when she is working in highly volatile parts of the world to earn more money she must pay 15%. When she  has a meal in a hotel because she is working over seas in dangerous parts of the world and she claims expenses she must pay 15% of that as well.  Well ladies what do think? How do like them apples?</p>
<p>Now that would be fair.</p>
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