Fathers who killed themselves because of the CSA
April 30, 2008
This video is harrowing. It features a list of fathers who have committed suicide after being hounded by the child support agency. The deaths of these men are on the hands of the CSA and the government, and the children they have left behind must now live without their fathers in their lives.
This terrible waste of life is continuing today, and will go on until the child support agency are held accountable for their actions.
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[..YouTube..] So much death and destruction that no body realises. Well done for making everybody aware. Good on every father to stand for their natural rights.Raj
[..YouTube..] So much death and destruction that no body realises. Well done for making everybody aware. Good on every father to stand for their natural rights.
Raj
[..YouTube..] The Child Support Agency were supposed to go after absent fathers. I was already paying £300 per month through a Spousal and Child Maintenance Order. There stunt was to keep things in limbo and suddenly come up with an assessment and thousands in arrears. They defied a court ruling in my favour on the 23rd May 1995 and my MP Tony Benn could not get them to be law abiding. My son is now 23 and I emigrated to Eire in 2006.
[..YouTube..] The Child Support Agency were supposed to go after absent fathers. I was already paying £300 per month through a Spousal and Child Maintenance Order. There stunt was to keep things in limbo and suddenly come up with an assessment and thousands in arrears. They defied a court ruling in my favour on the
23rd May 1995 and my MP Tony Benn could not get them to be law abiding. My son is now 23 and I emigrated to Eire in 2006.
[..YouTube..] Hi what a video, it made me cry my eyes out, still upset 1 hour later.To explain I am admin on afairercsaforall website, to find us google it like that all one word. I am in touch with loving dads just like these poor guys daily. I know we nearly lost 2 like this, but with each others support we get through it. Whoever made this video please join us, there is people like this right now. Thank you for highlighting this
[..YouTube..] Hi what a video, it made me cry my eyes out, still upset 1 hour later.
To explain I am admin on afairercsaforall website, to find us google it like that all one word. I am in touch with loving dads just like these poor guys daily. I know we nearly lost 2 like this, but with each others support we get through it. Whoever made this video please join us, there is people like this right now. Thank you for highlighting this
[..YouTube..] may csea burn in hell!!
[..YouTube..] I hope All Child Support Agency employees burn in HELL!!!!
[..YouTube..] what about mothers, do they have a free ticket?
[..YouTube..] Men who don’t care for their children shouldn’t have to shell out their own money just to support them. Women who can’t raise kids on $100 a month need to budget better.
[..YouTube..] Sad isnt it, also I too pay child support in Australia and my ex wife who kicked me out of the home,then sicks the csa on to me,after that i lost my car ,kids and any rights to see them as she poisons their minds with garbage, i dont even see them at christmas or get calls on fathers day, oh well im sure her new husband appreciates it. CSA….”Collection and Suicide Agency”, now doesnt that sound more like the truth.
[..YouTube..] I feel for all these names on the videos.The CSA should be charged with murder and sentenced to their own death.
[..YouTube..] This video made me cry. They came after me in 2005 telling me I owed them over £2000. At the time I was a barman earning £150 per week after tax. I was missed most of the first 18 months of my daughters life while at the same time battling through the courts for access. 29 contact orders later I now have my daughter 3 weekends out of 4. I’m sure they will be back one day and my name might appear in videos like this
[..YouTube..] very sad. very sad. so moved ,so touched , but most of all, so bloody angry that these scumbags have got away with this so long. Burn in Hell CSA, – nobody has a good word to say about you. – i mean this from the bottom of my heart.
[..YouTube..] Take responsibility not your life, you wouldn’t kill yourself over a tax bill loan or credit card but owe some CSA and your life is over? your all pathetic examples of human beings. I have nothing because i pay more csa than i need to. I merely exist so my daughter can have better life. If your looking to blame someone look in the mirror before making your child 1 parent down. you all make me sick to my stomach. Stop complaining!!!!!
[..YouTube..] This is to you SPANDEX5 you pathetic piece of dirt. I would call you worse but it wouldn’t be published! OK you don’t care about the lives the CSA have taken and you say you are strong and can handle what the CSA are doing to you.
To you the poverty that the CSA are inflicting on people is OK? Why dont you stand up and fight them you spineless excuse for a human being!!!
[..YouTube..] CSAhell, they dont employ snipers, the only people who the CSA cause poverty to are those who don’t pay and then are caught up with later. I have friends who think they can get away with not paying for THEIR kids and then cry like babies when the CSA takes 40% of their net income. I only have to pay a poultry £95 per month but pay £210 privatly, plus have my daughter 3 nights a week where I spend half of my wage on her monthly, i have nothing for myself but i’m happy bacause my daughter does.
[..YouTube..] The fathers who care about their kids are paying for the scumbags who don’t give a damn about their kids. We are literally subsidising the CSA for their failings. That is unacceptable.
Do you agree that I was forced onto benefits because the CSA wouldn’t change my payments accordingly when I lost all overtime and my wage went down from £450+ to £200?
Do you agree that they sent me into severe depression because I couldn’t afford my rent, bills etc etc?
The only one to suffer is my daughter!!!
This is to you SPANDEX5 you pathetic piece of dirt. I would call you worse but it wouldn’t be published! OK you don’t care about the lives the CSA have taken and you say you are strong and can handle what the CSA are doing to you.
To you the poverty that the CSA are inflicting on people is OK? Why dont you stand up and fight them you spineless excuse for a human being!!!
[..YouTube..] Let’s call “child support” what it really is: Gender Extortion.
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these type of systems can not be stopped, but only slowed down. i’d suggest all dads, give-up their lively-hood, stop working, build-up in arrears, and demand to goto prison longterm, refuse to leave prison until demands are met. let women work and take over everything. let them pay for the entire state bill, especially, building and maintaining larger and larger prisons. let the kids sue the state, CSA. watch the national debt rise, and courts and CSA start to change.
[..YouTube..] You know what sad guys… Child support is not the issue. The fact is Us fathers are denied EQUAL TIME with OUR children to JUSTIFY these crazy amounts they claim it takes to support a child. We need to fight to the courts for fathers to be treated fairly and equally.
[..YouTube..] LMAO!!!! I wish they would make Deadbeats in the states feel so shitty they would commit suicide too!
[..YouTube..] Exactly, and they don’t do this because then men could possibly be able to argue that their child support should be lower in compensation for the time they spend caring for the child. The government will not have any of this, because they make money off of child support through transaction fees, and if men are providing by ACTUALLY providing, they don’t get paid. US government, creating deadbeats daily.
[..YouTube..] The stress the CSA put on father’s is ridiculous. If the women has custody she should pay just as much as the dad, they should be MADE to prove how they spend this money and prove that they’re contributing.
[..YouTube..] I know cases where the man has had to pay the mortgage on the marital home AND still pay for the child, but she gets half the profits from the sale! I would like to know if there is a petition I can sign which fights for equality in time spent with the child, money paid and treatment. I’ve never heard of a women being hounded for money! I know a man who gained full custody of 3 children and had to pay her child support.
[..YouTube..] This is very sad but if the parents were grown up enough to come to some kind of aggrement then surley there would be no need for the CSA? They are just a collection agency for parents to use when the other parent wont pay. To say that CSA staff should burn in hell is a bit pathetic, I am sure they are just office workers trying to pay their bills with a wage?
[..YouTube..] The Child Support Agency may have been set up with good intentions but in practice they are a danger. On the 23rd May 1995 Loughborough Magistrates Court ruled in my favour regarding their bogus arrears. On the 28th June 1995 I had custody of my son (aged 10). They refused to accept the judgement of the court and are lawless. Public servants should be sent to prison for abusing their positions.
Michael Stephen Nolan
Dublin – Eire 17th August 2008
[..YouTube..] thats cuz girls are whoooorzzz and will stop at nothing till they get money, house, kids, because they are money grubbing whoooorrzzz who need to get punched in the cUnt
[..YouTube..] The video is so true it hurts to watch, the CSA is a pathetic government run organisation and its legislation that preys on non main careers.
I can fully understand why so many people do commit suicide over this organisation.
[..YouTube..] I have been writing to my MP for the last year trying to get this biased organisation to change so that main careers that encourage contact are financially rewarded. At the moment the legislation works the opposite way around deny access and get in most cases 100% plus more money.
What sort of message does that send out to main careers, whom abuse there position and use the child as a cash converter.
[..YouTube..] My message to all non main careers is after being denied access for 15 months, using the family courts, cafcass, pro-contact and the CSA abusing you when you think things cannot get any worse DONT EVER GIVE UP how ever painfull it maybe, talk about it shout about it write about.
The best way to change the system is to do the below
email your M.P at write the them, email your complaints to the CSA, Challenge all the CSA decisions, Go to the Prime Ministers webpage and sign up to a petition
[..YouTube..] ok this is sad but what about the mothers who have to mamange a household by themselves, work and sruggle 2 make ends meet all the fathers have 2 do is provide financial support….very weak men
- There’s good and bad on both sides of the fence…Its naive to make sweeping generalisations.
A NRP can be put under financial pressure with the CSA – in some cases to meet the repayment costs for arrears that the CSA have accumulate due to their delays.
A PWC can also be put under financial pressure, if their ex is non compliant and refuses to pay – The CSA have in the past been very slack with cases that genuinely need their attention.
[..YouTube..] I have children who i love very much and live alone 370 miles away from my parents and siblings so i can be close to my children. I pay the csa so much that i am left with £150 per week net income. out of that i have to pay FULL council tax FULL rent, Electricity, costs to travel to work, home insurance, food, and toiletries. A person on benefit gets more than i do and i work a full week for the pleasure of the csa. Can i get support? NO! Wake up flashyleo and smell what you are shovelling!
[..YouTube..] I wonder if any of these ex-wives had any sympathy for the poor ex who committed suicide because of enormous financial pressure.
some idiots mention that the CSA staff are ‘just doing their job’, that’s what the workers at belsen said afterwords to justify shoving women and children into the gas chambers and ovens.
The politicians and generals just make the obscene rules..it’s the 1000’s of immoral filth that push the pens and tap the keyboards that make the unjust system work..all in the name of blood money to fill their pockets.
Every time a CSA worker comes to grief it puts a smile on my face…and if they ever managed to grind me down to the point of becoming suicidal i think i’d rather pay them a visit at my local CSA office first.
[..YouTube..] Fucking Fascists!
[..YouTube..] dirty bastards, it’s a fucking outrage, pair a tits and a fanny and yer laughing
[..YouTube..] CSA is all mess up, I’ve one friend all ready pay one child up to age 18, she is married and didn’t go to college and he still paying for over age for 8 year. Talking about CSA rip off his money for no reason….
Guys all you on here need to take a stand like we are. Sitting moaning gets you nowhere. Join http://www.afairercsaforall.co.uk click the link or forum, help us to help you. We have between the site approx 500 active members, we are doing what the government tried to stop getting people together, and talking. Please come along and be a part of new a fairer system thank you
[..YouTube..] good for you, but there are loads of fathers that never see their kids and stil get robbed of a fortune for what?
yeah fathers should pay towards the upkeep of their child but their should be a limit not a over estimated 40% of the mans wages
[..YouTube..] man i hear ya and feel for you too i am in a similar situation i fighted through courts for my chile and got nowhere haven’t seen her in 10 years or so and got a letter the other day asking for csa payments
[..YouTube..] child support is a fucking joke !!
a worthless fucking scam !!fuck child support !!
worthless piece of shit agency !!
ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY !! WAKE UP PEOPLE !!
CORRUPT !! CORRUPT !! CORRUPT !!!
NOT ABOUT THE KIDS !!REPEAL THE BRADLEY AMMENDMENT !!
[..YouTube..] The Child Support Agency is a disgrace and should be closed down, together with the family court of Australia. These parasite organisations are totally unnecessary when other more economical and suitable methods have not even been tried.
Too many parasites make a good living out of the disgrace of others.
Labour won’t do anything about it because they are the ones who created the problem in the first place: Whitlam, the court. The abominable Keating the CSA – never to be forgiven.
[..YouTube..] Sorry people, I thought it was Australia.
Nevertheless in this country’CSA is a carbon copy of what you describe. The Australian agency also has blood in its hands, and plenty of it. If any of you came down to Australia for a better live, these days you would be persecuted to death the same way.
Say no to injustice.
[..YouTube..] 40% is incorrect, the maximum that the agency can take off the NRP is 25% of his/her annual income. Only being 25% if the non resident parent has 3 or more kids because 25% is the cap. its 15% for one child, 20% for for two kids and as said before 25% for 3 and above. If neither parent is on benefits they can cancel the case, if they are both on benefits they have to carry in because the state is paying for the children. Why should tax payers pay because some people cant keep there legs closed?
[..YouTube..] hi badbobby 2008 you have the figures correct but you forget to mention that the csa dont take any cercumstances in to account imagen this you are with your partner for 3 years you have talked about kids and decided your not ready yet you stop using contraception yourself as your partner who you love and trust says she is on the pill then she tells
[..YouTube..] you she is pregnent with twins (you havent asked for children but been conned in to it) then you and your partner split up because there is no trust in the relationship anymore.
[..YouTube..] you earn £918 after tax per month the csa say you have to pay £191 a month the average rent in the uk is £500 per month council tax is £70 per month gas and electric is £100 per month if you are lucky you have tv licence £11 per month travel to work to earn you money is £128 per month you have water rates on top of that food for the month not included how does all this add up for somthing you were tricked in to? you still love your children even
[..YouTube..] though you diddent plan on having them and the muym wont let you see them as she will get £10 per month less
Badbobby2008 on November 15th, 2008 3:09 pm [..YouTube..] 40% is incorrect, the maximum that agency can take off the NRP is 25% of his/her annual income. Only being 25% if the non resident parent has 3 or more kids because 25% is the cap. its 15% for one child, 20% for for two kids and as said before 25% for 3 and above.
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Correct for regular maintenance Badbobby2008 – But when arrears are included the maximum deduction is indeed 40% of income.
[..YouTube..] obviously these fathers were useless if they didn’t pay there child support anyway.
[..YouTube..] You are talking crap. They can, and do, deduct 40% if they claim that ‘arrears’ are owed.
As a taxpayer, I’m more pissed about paying for the chavs, layabouts and unemployed Islamic terrorists in this country than supporting people who have suffered a family breakup.
The CSA is a corrupt, disgusting organization that harms everybody who deals with it. Check your facts.
[..YouTube..] rosemisty1
Such an ignorant statement.
[..YouTube..] cretin
[..YouTube..] Baaaaaa sheep baaaaaa. The sky is green now go swear it to the world because I told you it’s so. 580k people laid off in the states last month. Nothing but a bunch of deadbeats that are worthless and don’t deserve to live! They can’t take care of their kids like they where able to before they got laid off but hey they should die right? Only thing obvious is that your stupid.
[..YouTube..] SEND THIS OBAMA!
[..YouTube..] only if they had a large life insurance policy.
[..YouTube..] Which is why there are condoms!!!
[..YouTube..] I can see you have been burnt by one of them. Please tell us what she did.
So what is wrong with pooling the agression and hatred and instead of sitting back and watching other people doing the work, join an organisation and help them in the fight for change?!!!!
As for the plebbs who write that if the dads are in arrears then they musn’t have paid in the first place, wake up!!! the CSA/CMEC deliberately drag their heels on cases and THEY make the arrears not the Non resident parent!!! We could all argue to put money aside if you have a rough idea of what you will be asked to pay but what about those wonderful staff members who just leave a case and then go back to it some 10 years later??!!!! It happens, the staff all type in false figures into the system and some have even deleted cases because it suits the million pound computer system better!!!!
The men who do pay support are subsidising those that don’t, simple!! The CSA/CMEC is there for all the single mothers and women who want to drive the father into the ground,simple!! and this government encourage it! what beats me is someone who purports to want a better CSA/CMEC but then goes on to support ending child poverty?? err hello, the governments BIG campaign is the SAME one!! so be against the CSA/CMEC sysytem yet uphold ending poverty for children? to do that you have to agree with CSA/CMEC!! lmao absolutely priceless.
Put all of your efforts into wanting to fight to bring about change, change that cannot be used as a weapon to beat the dad with and change that will benefit the children, not line the pockets of the mothers. Go and do something about making it too easy for girls to get pregnant then be on a money roller coaster ride until the children are 20,which is now the upper limit under CMEC, teach the children both male and female to do what our grandparents did which is quite simply, if you have children thay are your responsibility, not a cushy number for the maintenance gravy boat and a council house with everything paid for, thats the biggest drain on society not the disabled or the long term genuine, sick,nor the elderly, it’s the ones who have grown up with the attitude that it’s ok to push children out like a rabbit machine because the government say so!!!! and help tom pay for it, with the genuine tax payers money!
Meeting with Kitty Ussher proved this, she was asked for figures on child poverty being caused by parents splitting up, she confessed she had none as the government always use lone parent statistics!!! Says it all really.
There will be more deaths under CMEC, and it’s about time that the ministers and Lords ALL were bought to book for what has gone, is going, and will go on.
Stand up and be counted and lets start to show the women of this world that men aren’t open wallets and are there just to be used when it suits them, we have to go back to basics and teach the next generation to think differently, what happened to respect for a fellow human being? it got lost in the governments stupid education sysytem once all the do gooders got involved , thats what.
[..YouTube..] sickening my partners ex is well of and he is self employed and im a student and we have 2 kids one is disabled and recieve housing benefit, she and her new partner have 2 house take loads of hols and we are getting high demands that we cant meet and recieve letters saying they will take driving licence and freeze bank acount, she tricked him into having kids she should pay for them, he see’s them and would happily buy them clothes or shoe’s we really cannot afford this !
This new law they are using to beat us with are actually against our constitutional rights and the stupt HM the Queen gave it royal assent not realising that it contradicts the Human Rights Act and our civil rights, so CMEC is actually can be contested in court especially the in house Liability Order that can be made, that will not hold any water what so ever. Watch out in 2009 because there is to be an almighty revolution with this lot.
[..YouTube..] This is a very very sad video.. Most of these guys killed themselves because they could not keep up with the extortionate demands made by the CSA.. Theres other that we falsly named by ex’s as Dads of children that were’nt thiers.. Its very sad that theres such ignorant people making nasty comments about such a sad subject.. Shame on you..
[..YouTube..] obviously judging by your staement yo must be a dungaree wearing lesbo!! thant cant get a meal ticket!!! AAAHH
[..YouTube..] spandex 5 i was paying for the car £245.00 amonth.£250.00 for the child minder. and having my daughter evrey other week end evry holiday summer,easter,half term. then was made redundant! rather that be supportive and understanding. she called in the good on csa your day will come when you get f*cked over,they always do.
[..YouTube..] Fantastic, hard hitting, but also heartbreaking video. For those idiots who leave silly comments – you know nothing!! im getting hounded by the csa and its horrible, doesnt matter how much i pay its never enough for those blood sucking twats.
[..YouTube..] as far as now goes the perent with care can cansol the csa but my ex wont she will only gain from £80 a month so the csa is just a weponim not saying we shuldnt pay aire way but i think the only way to do it if they wont come to a priot orangement is leave the uk so they have to sudenley there £1040 worse off a year so you coulld probabley work somethink out by that point
[..YouTube..] I believe the only way to bring attention to this issue is to force the media either through mass protest nationwide at these enforcement units or overwelming the media with emails and blogs demanding media coverage of this situation….only at the view of fathers who just can’t afford these amounts not the true “deadbeat”……what r we waitin for…unite…UNITE!!!!! ITS THE ONLY WAY.
[..YouTube..] Hey rosemisty, take a long walk off a short plank and if you need a hand let me know for I would happily push you over. Try telling a married man who has a child to his wife for whom he loves that he should have worn a condom. This mind you after his wife cheated on him. This is one battle lady where you are up against the majority. Your not in our shoes so sit down and shut up. Some of us are really good blokes. We didnt ask for our wives and the government to do this to us.
[..YouTube..] Your not hounded by the CSA for money. Your not the one who is threatened to have their material posessions seized for the CSA’s revenue. We are. May I suggest Rosemisty1 that you butt out of this argument for you have no understanding on the matter what so ever. Do not waste our time here by posting your disgusting comments. This is not a topic for you.
Guys, please stop and think here~~ whatever the circumstances surrounding these cases and many others like them, a government dept has no place being involved. These guys took their lives due to pressure from a government dept, its that simple.
The only way to stop these things happening is by coming together and shouting with one voice. Guys we can all sit here, type into various blogs, websites etc, but it has no effect. We need one voice, we need to get our good old British spirit activated and shout TOGETHER.
We have set up a petition on http://www.afairercsaforall.co.uk, go sign it, its a start. Join our forum, join in with idea’s what to do next, have input in our debate, become an area leader……………….. Worst thing you can do is NOTHING..
We have over the 2 websites 1000 members+ , but guys we need more, we need more to fight and shout and debate…………….. You know why……. Cos change happens, we just got to make it, and with the right tools we can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just one question, not a criticism, how are you going to debate, become one voice and be heard when you state on your forum main page, that: you are a non activist organisation and that you have your pride, which is why you are non activists?
How is doing a petition of however many signatures going to make the governement sit up and make changes? It doesn’t work, Gordon and Co. just shred the petitions and turn a blind eye!!!
The only way to bring about change is to shout, expose, make the whole sham transparent and keep informing people of their rights and the CSA/CMEC’s wrongs!!!
Rallies, protests, leaflets, being as visible as possible is the way forward, show the whole government up for what they are, liars and part of the militant wider net called Europe!!!
How are we going to debate? ……….. Our forum is full of debate, good healthy debate 24 hours a day, of course our members speak with one voice. We have listened to PWC and NRP debated, compromised and put together a set of aims as a group…..
Why be activists? where does it get you……….. written of as a group of nutters by media and government alike…………. You don’t have to be an activist to get your point across…. In fact your more likely to be listened to if you go about things properly, which is proving to be the case…
A petition might not have any effect, no dispute there, but its a start and its doing more then posting on many blogs, websites…….. People can rant all day long, they need to rant together in one place.
Exposing C-MEC/CSA wrongs………. Can you tell me any point in this? they already know how wrong the system is……..
Telling people their rights……….. Fully agree, but all advice has to be valid and correct.. People coming to our website are given up to date, correct advice…. Not only be the admin team, but by CSA experts including legal experts and CSA staff
Please……….. Rallies, protests with whom? You need to mobilize thousands mate………. Its not going to happen. Child support is an emotive subject, dads don’t want to be seen protesting about paying for their children, you got think of the children concerned. Can see it now ………… little Joe watching TV ” hey look there’s dad on telly protesting, cos he don’t want to pay for me” Not the way forward I’m afraid. Saying all that you at deadbeats go forward in the way you think is right for deadbeats……. Allow us to go forward as we see best for afairercsaforall, and every bodies happy
Like Ive said before and I will say again you and we have different agenda’s, we are asking for change in different ways. We think the system is flawed for all parents including PWC and NRP, you fight only for the NRP, your prerogative… .
LOL, wondered how long it would take – but Im genuinely pleased your obviously feeling better
Some subjects are questionable from the outside looking in. However, its extremely doubtful what http://www.afairercsaforall.co.uk/ does, is any genuine concern of yours.
Not criticising… maybe you could establish what the difference is between the FOI and DP Acts OR why your site states “The new laws passed on the 27th January 2009 by Purnell are as follows:Removal or cancelling of Driving Licenses and passports or the prevention of obtaining a passport” ? Not criticising – just wondering why…
Just a thought… perhaps you should concern yourself with own site, before questioning others
– All the best anyway xxxx
If you feel you need the 2 said acts clarifying, i hardly feel you benefit your own forum, a rather bizarre observation. I am glad the website gives you scope to wonder, hold those thoughts. There is nothing wrong in freedom of speech and asking questions of others, they have the freedom to remain silent if they so wish
I am not in the least concerned of how you ” genuinely” feel about my health or not, it is nobody elses concern apart from those closest to me, but at least devoting my time to a worthwhile fight is more productive and keeps me occupied.
A presumptuous nature can be rather dangerous at times and no one should presume to know what another person is thinking or feeling.
We are well aware that a close watch is kept on the web site and also that certain bodies scrutinise what is posted, we like to think we help those bodies in keeping them entertained if nothing else!!
I would have thought that an answer would have been forthcoming but as usual, it is not, no matter, we were once accused of being ” bizarre people” lmao
The more that people publicise what is going on with the government let alone the CSA/CMEC, the better, it all needs exposing and getting out into the public domain ( just to get back on track with the issue at hand )
No need for me to hold any thoughts at all…
Quote; If you feel you need the 2 said acts clarifying, i hardly feel you benefit your own forum, a rather bizarre observation.
- on the contrary sb (tigereyes/tigs) . Admin and mods at afairercsaforall are well aware of the difference between the two Acts – as such, we never advise anybody to request ‘personal’ info under the FOI Act. The benefit of being able to distinguish between to the Acts, would better serve members of dbda.
It would also be worth noting – That the new laws, your site claims were “passed on the 27th Jan 09 re Removal or cancelling of Driving Licenses and passports or the prevention of obtaining a passport” . Have NOT yet come into force!
Your now a little wiser in your knowledge, and all the info is readily available on the Internet
Its rather bizarre that you have nothing better to do, than to have a pick at your oppositio. Maybe devoting a little of that spare time, to ensure correctness, would prove more beneficial.
It would also be worth noting – That the new laws, your site claims were “passed on the 27th Jan 09 re Removal or cancelling of Driving Licenses and passports or the prevention of obtaining a passport” . Have NOT yet come into force!
Oh really?? well we beg to differ,,, we have evidence that THESE SUPPOSED NOT IN FORCE YET LAWS have actually been threatened and actually imposed… so what say you on that???!!!!!!!!!!
as such, we never advise anybody to request ‘personal’ info under the FOI Act. The benefit of being able to distinguish between to the Acts, would better serve members of dbda.
We suggest that you read up on the 2 acts correctly,,,,,,,,,,, if you are advising people for a breakdown of account including arrears i.e money paid in and out, , you have to request it under the FOI, they are not at liberty to give you the info under the DPA !!!!!!!! strewth.
We have never,nor shall we ever, class you or your forum/sister site as the ” OPPOSITION” lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we are an organisation that has helped people and our members plus those we have helped through telephone,e mail,and accompanying them to court, and shall continue to do so.
May we say one final thing here???? seems that not all of our info is supposedly wrong seeing as a few weeks after we put a letter onto our website and picked it to pieces as concerns the law and it’s proper procedure of the law, i.e MARSTONS BAILIFFS, it suddenly appeared a similar letter, on your sister site!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have tried to ridicule us many times, it doesn’t concern us! needless to say we put stories up, telephone calls up, letters up, and it goes up as evidence to back up what we disover, uncover and find out about the corrupt system!!!
As for the passports.license, prison issue as previously stated, we have hardened evidence in black and white that it is happening NOW!!!!!!
MR HOSSACK @dwp CORRUPTION has seen the article that James Purnell did on the 25th January this year saying that it would be a last resort to fathers who hadn’t paid and didn’t pay, we took the evidence with us at our last meeting courtesy of a member of ours and he saw for himself that James Purnell had lied in the article and that all of the three threats were actually now happening, even to the point of doing a video exposing the article and Mr Purnell as a liar,which will be broadcast and a copy sent to the said minister so that he is aware of what his staff are doing, illegally and unlawfully!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t have to waste time ensuring our info is correct, we MAKE sure it is before we advertise it and explain it to people, but thanks for the advice anyway.
The issue here should surely be about the ministers and staff at the agency having blood on their hands???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and they will have a lot more too before long, this agency has to be stopped and it has to be exposed for what it is.
oooh dear…
Quickly then, Ive other things to do!
1) Re DP & FOI Acts –
The Data Protection Act 1998 (DPA) is the sister act to the Freedom of Information Act.
Whereas the FOIA allow you access to a vast range of information on public issues, the DPA gives you a right of access to personal data.
2) **Quote; Oh really?? well we beg to differ,,, we have evidence that THESE SUPPOSED NOT IN FORCE YET LAWS have actually been threatened and actually imposed… so what say you on that???!!!!!!!!!!
The Bill was in Parliament and debated at Second Reading on 27 January. The House of Commons voted for it to be sent to a Public Bill Committee that will scrutinise the Bill clause by clause – it has NOT yet been passed!
In future, it would maybe better if you DONT start these debate type slates on afcsafa. ‘csahell’ is not here for this purpose.
I’m sure, whatever you are trying to do at your end, is done at very best of your ability, and you should continue without worrying yourselves about what we’re doing !
PS, on a lighter note – can I borrow your *yellow* pen, as I have an important letter to write
PMSL
I couldn’t care less whether these laws have been passed or not, we have evidence that they are being used within the CSA/CMEC now!! what part of that can’t you understand?? seems to me that you have the same inabilities as the agency staff.
I am quite well aware of what both the DPA and the FOI ACT are about and what they are there for, you do what you do and we do what we do. BasicallyTracey, thousands of requests have gone in under the FOI and each one answered so it works, but asking the for the info under the DPA doesn’t,, so all in all go figure.
May we suggest that you use your little yellow crayon from your Crayola box set?
A s stated before we don’t and won’t worry about AFCSAFA, after all, you aren’t activists so what will you acheive? we will wait and see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least we keep you amused, rather like the Queen Victoria era pmsl !!!!!!!!!!
Take away the non-resident parent’s driving licence or send them to prison
If a non-resident parent has refused to pay the child maintenance they owe, we can apply to the courts for:
* an order of disqualification — this takes the non-resident parent’s driving licence away from them or prevents them from getting a driving licence for up to two years, or
* a warrant of commitment — this sends a non-resident parent to prison for up to six weeks.
Even if the parent is disqualified from driving or sent to prison, they will still have to pay all of the money they owe.
Between February 2007 and January 2008, 565 non-resident parents received immediate or suspended prison sentences. A further 25 non-resident parents received immediate or suspended driving licence disqualifications.
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This was taken from the CSA’s own website!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh up to the usual DON’T READ THE POSTS CORRECTLY SYNDROME WE SEE, no change there then. You state that what you do on afcsafa is no concern of ours, I see, so double standards are we to assume here, forgive me if I am mistaken but didn’t you send the Manager of DWP Corruption.Co.Uk an email informing him that we the DBDA had put on our web site about us being sister sites with DWP Corruption, what did that have to do with AFCSAFA may we ask?
We keep informing you everything we do is fully researched, we do not tell people to do things we were not sure about ourselves, The Manager of DWP Corruption actually approached us and asked us if we would be sister sites with them so it was his idea not ours, but again what had that got to do with you at AFCSAFA?
As far as the FOI and the DPA are concerned look at the acts very carefully, requesting personal information held by a public authority under the FOI does it not state
“1 General right of access to information held by public authorities
(1) Any person making a request for information to a public authority is entitled—
(a) to be informed in writing by the public authority whether it holds information of the description specified in the request, and
(b) if that is the case, to have that information communicated to him.
That in itself if you are requesting a breakdown of your arrears which is held by the Public Authority (the CSA) then they have to supply you with that request, and it is infact quicker than using the DPA.
As far as the yellow pen is concerned well there was a method in my madness there too, it was legally creating more work for the Agency plus there is nothing in either Act which stipulates what colour ink you have to write the request out does it?
Writing the request in yellow ink prevents them from photocoying the letter, if they had any sense about them they should have sent a letter back to me requesting the request to be done in black or blue ink, however they did not do this and they had to use a lot of the 40 consecutive days to try and furnish me with my request and it created a lot of work and inconvenience, pay back time in other words. The fact that their lack of knowledge of the DPA in itself has then left the door open for me to do them for the breach of the DPA plus also Fraud and deception or misconduct in public office.
It was not a critisicm it was merely a simple question of what do you hope to debate become one voice if you are not activists, but as you stated it is no concern of ours. Just remember though if that goes for us then it also goes for you
There you go then – your second post, taken from the CSA’s own website confirms what I have said…
‘we can apply to the courts’
This is because it is the existing law, and the new laws which you as Deadbeatdads Association are stating were passed on the 27 Jan 09 are NOT, as yet! – see how much you could learn, by looking
LOL, I’ll leave letters written in *yellow* ink, to yourselves.
Your partner, the founder of dbda, obviously had his reasons for requesting his Data Protection File in this way. (confirmed in the video, of the telephone conversation you have on the internet) – infantile pranks, are bound to get your association taken most seriously…
-besides, I have too much respect for the ALL the members on afairercsaforall to make such a mockery of the issues they have with the Agency, just to enable an opportunity to ’stage’ a telephone conversation and post it on the internet.
Oh dear DBDA you really should take the tme to read the small print, or was that written in yellow marker too PMSL…………..
If your gonna advise people, advise them correctly…………..
We have enough time taken correcting CSA errors without DBDA’s also.
At afairercsaforall advce is correct
Oh dear oh dear people in glass houses, you even admit in your own site sorry forum you have achieved nothing. There was a method in my madness sending my own request in yellow ink and it worked, we have not advised our members to request anything in yellow ink it was for my case only and they fell into the trap which has allowed me to prosecute the CSA case workers for misconduct in public office, but there you go you stick to signing your petition we will stick to the strong effective methods of exposing the lies and the scams which is proof to other members of the public what goes on within this corrupt agency.
You go on about “Staging phone calls” and how they are infantile pranks, well have you not got some phone calls on your site doing exactly the same? We also see evidence of somebody doing your dirty work to advertise your site, have you no bottle to do something yourselves and show your face or is there another reason why you are too afraid to show your faces…..?
We will continue the our winning the cases and showing the CSA case workers and other staff which we know is really getting up their noses but hey thats pay back time
Very dull and predictable that you feel the need to respond, with further unfounded ’slates’.
Not admitted anything of the sort on the forum – but its flattering if your a member OR have been misinformed with 2nd hand info OR perhaps just a figment your imagination.
-and no, no staged phone recordings by us.
**Quote; We also see evidence of somebody doing your dirty work to advertise your site, have you no bottle to do something yourselves and show your face or is there another reason why you are too afraid to show your faces…..?
If members/others wish to inform others of the site, they are more than welcome to do so. We’re there to help!
- perhaps you should ask Sherri about hiding behind ‘alias names’ – she has at least 3 on here that are used.
Personally, after the farce of previous posts. Many statements are made, and plenty of self gratifying pats on the backs are forthcoming, along with an abundant supply of deviating prattle.
- So, I’ll take what your telling me with a pinch of salt – others can make their own minds up.
I’m satisfied the points I made, have been clarified, so shall leave it now.
However, on past performance, sure enough you will feel the need to have the final word – So be my guest…
Mobey your so self absorbed, you cant figure when you and your association are made to look silly. As a friend I will tell you, that time is now, so time to stop before you do your outfit major damage…….
Friend??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh and were you aware …. I was taught in English lessons to put words before each explanation mark. My friend your English makes about as much sense as a CSA caseworkers. You really are doing little good for your credibility, and making yourself look silly.
Why do you need so many user names on here…… are you hiding something?
Everybody be aware deadbeatdad and co founder also post on this site as Mobey, SB, tigereyes, tigs, and other alias’s
Micheal………… The admin on this website…. I am sooooooo sorry DBDA continues to use this (your website) as a battleground, they seem to think school kid snipes upset us on AFCSAFA. Now they are dragging you and your websites into their somewhat silly arguements, it’s not fair and i’m really sorry this is happening
Well it would be nice if you care to answer the original question you were asked, and you were asked in a perfectly normal way and you were made aware that it was not a criticism, but as usual it is taken as a criticism, so any chance of an answer?
As far as what afcsafa do is of no genuine concern of ours, may we ask why DBDA has to concern you that you have to go and email a certain manager of another group who actually asked us to be sister sites with him, that we have stated on our site that we are sister sites with him? An answer to the above questions would be nice, but we will expect something else to crop up so that you can avoid answering it
What question is that?
Chall posted and you jumped on it, Ive been back through this thread and I’m assuming this is what you mean………
How are we going to debate? ……….. Our forum is full of debate, good healthy debate 24 hours a day, of course our members speak with one voice. We have listened to PWC and NRP debated, compromised and put together a set of aims as a group…..
Why be activists? where does it get you……….. written of as a group of nutters by media and government alike…………. You don’t have to be an activist to get your point across…. In fact your more likely to be listened to if you go about things properly, which is proving to be the case…
A petition might not have any effect, no dispute there, but its a start and its doing more then posting on many blogs, websites…….. People can rant all day long, they need to rant together in one place.
Exposing C-MEC/CSA wrongs………. Can you tell me any point in this? they already know how wrong the system is……..
Telling people their rights……….. Fully agree, but all advice has to be valid and correct.. People coming to our website are given up to date, correct advice…. Not only be the admin team, but by CSA experts including legal experts and CSA staff
Please……….. Rallies, protests with whom? You need to mobilize thousands mate………. Its not going to happen. Child support is an emotive subject, dads don’t want to be seen protesting about paying for their children, you got think of the children concerned. Can see it now ………… little Joe watching TV ” hey look there’s dad on telly protesting, cos he don’t want to pay for me” Not the way forward I’m afraid. Saying all that you at deadbeats go forward in the way you think is right for deadbeats……. Allow us to go forward as we see best for afairercsaforall, and every bodies happy
Like Ive said before and I will say again you and we have different agenda’s, we are asking for change in different ways. We think the system is flawed for all parents including PWC and NRP, you fight only for the NRP, your prerogative… .
Now just grow up………………. Stop posting after chall with stupid, childlike remarks. Go about getting the members you need to protest with…..
Your sister site, and Martin………. We requested a clarification of the position of the site concerned. Nothing sinister, but as we don’t want any association with DBDA we needed to know. For what its worth I think Martin has done his site an injustice, because you mouthpieces will damage its reputation. I find that sad as Martins website is much needed.
Now you have your answers i suggest you leave Chall and this website alone. Stop bandying about your accusations, until you have hard evidence. Get on with taking money off people, now in donations and for talks etc………… Disgraceful, how can you have the cheek to ask people for bad and wrong advice
[..YouTube..] I’m in the same boat, however I don’t think I can take it much longer and I think by ending my life it’s the only way I’m gonna find peace.
My ex and I had an agreement that I was to pay money into an account for my daughter which I did, however we had an argument recently and she has called the CSA in saying I’m not supporting her even though she refused my support before. Now they’re assesing her claim and even though she earns more than me it looks as though I’m going to lose everything.
[..YouTube..] The thing is the CSA are used as a weapon by vindictive and bitter ex’s. I’m trying to get the ex to get the CSA out of the picture but it’s not happening. Yet she lives with her mom, pays no rent, but is in a very well paid job, the mother is quite well off too as is the brother who lives there and my ex’s new BF. and yet I’m being bankrupted because I live on my own and have joint custody of my daughter. The system is flawed. I give it a month and if this isn’t resolved I don’t think I can
[..YouTube..] take the stress and the depressive state I’m in much longer.
She cheats on me with my best mate, she treat me like shit on her shore, she leaves me on the day of out 5th anniversary, she takes the most important thing in my life away, my daughter (which she never shows an interest in) she has spent my life savings and now goes back on her word and gets the CSA involved and then she has the audacity to say that I brought it on myself??
[..YouTube..] My name is Tom and I live in Sunderland. If my name and location come up in the press soon and added to the list caused by the CSA and vindictive Ex’s, you know it’s me. : (
Hi Tom,
Pop along to http://afairercsaforall.co.uk and join us in the forum – your not alone!
[..YouTube..] May God curse that Satanic System that has brought some much pain and destruction on so many fine people
[..YouTube..] “TysonStorm” Listen man, I don’t know if ur really in this situation or not, but if u are i want to tell u smth.
Suicide is not the Option!!! u have a daughter.
I agree and I feel the pain, cuz i have a Daughter too, and I my self fighting now Depresion, strees, and sleeping problem, because of a Custody case with my ex wife.
The best way to deal with this is, don’t think presence, think Future. Listen, ur Daughter will grow and she will know the injustice, and she will back u 4 rest of life
[..YouTube..] “tysonstorm” I commented but the comment was not posted so i am writing again…
If ur really in this situation, I feel ur pain. I have a daughter my self, and i fight depresion, stress, and sleeping problems because of long Divorce/custody fight with my EX wife.
Suicide is not the Option!!! You have a Daughter. The best way to deal with this situation is , don’t think presence think Future.
Your daughter will grow. She will understand the injustice, she will back u up 4 the rest of life.
[..YouTube..] “tysonstorm” I thought Suicide, while going through Divorce/Custody fight, for one reason, FEAR.
Fear, that I will not see my Daughter and Fear of who is the MAN that is going to be in the same house with my Daughter, how is he going to look at her etc etc
I thought More than Suicide, i was not going to go by my self.
But the Question is, if someone is going to misstread my daughter who is going to be there to stop it!? if i commit suicide?! i lose so i controlled my thoughts.
[..YouTube..] “tysonStorm”another way to stop this Depresion/Stress, crazy thoughts is “move out of the box” change friends, do smth else, change the routine.
It worked for me, belive me or not, i spended less time with my daughter because she hide her from me long time, but than My daughter comes with me more today than with her. The time i spent with her, is Perfect, i do everything right. Her mom spent to much time trying to screw me, no time for Daughter, and is firing her back.
[..YouTube..] “tysonStorm” Just one thing, when u have ur daughter don’t make mistakes. Don’t let her see u angry cuz kids take it on them selfs, they think you don’t love them.
The rate of the father/Daughter realtionship that is going between ME and my Daughter , i would not be surprised if her Mother won’t have heart attack soon.
I spended maybe 15% of total time with her in past because she hide her, now SHE copy me, she talks like me, I am shocked.
it’s 5:15 am, now I told u I have sleeping Problems
[..YouTube..] I’ll be next on this list. Brian Wallace.
[..YouTube..] I hope not..I’m praying for you..Thank you for this share..I do appreciate it..
♥ hugsssssss ya tight ♥
[..YouTube..] wow, this is depressing
[..YouTube..] I’m feeling your pain! Legal cost and jacked up child support in this wonderful state of Massachusetts!
[..YouTube..] Thanks,Man……………
[..YouTube..] Be strong dokkecrue. Your not alone, Im going through the same thing. Its killing me too.
[..YouTube..] We can overcome this………..remember the children
[..YouTube..] I love Motley Crue ! Don’t miss a show.
Home Sweet home at my funeral!
[..YouTube..] I not going the same way, I am a human and cannot tolerate this fiasco any more!
Strength to the Dads!
[..YouTube..] Bastards. Fucking bastards. RIP the fallen.
[..YouTube..] Who kills themselves over money?
Seriously?
[..YouTube..] Why is not this is put on the news instead of being one-sided, this should be exposed on the news.
All you people on here………… Why give up? Why let the CSA beat you?
YOU NEED TO FIGHT THIS …………..The CSA don’t care, you will be a statistic to them. The people named here will have died in vain….. Guys you got to fight it.. You are NOT alone, many are suffering at this agencies hand..
Join http://www.afairercsaforall.co.uk/ There you will find support, help and likeminded people…… Bigger voice, better chance
Change WILL happen, we just have to help it…….. RIP those already taken by this disgraceful government x
[..YouTube..] There is a petition that exists. Petition Child Support Reform. We need to sign this thing and fight to end this corrupt system….
The link delelysj has given, is for reforms to the US child support system.
There’s a UK petition at http://afairercsaforall.co.uk/petition/ – If your dissatisfied with the CSA/CMEC please take the time to sign.
[..YouTube..] what a nob
[..YouTube..] In the United States, the withholding can cap out at 50% of income. If there is no visitation, child support generally comes out to 25% for one kid, and increases by smaller increments for each additional kid up to around 50%.
I don’t know how it’s handled over there in the U.K.
[..YouTube..] Go kill yourself over money, already.
[..YouTube..] all i know is i am grateful for the way the texas family code worded their “manner of payment” section…for an example check out freedom from child support…homepage for this youtube user.
[..YouTube..] 303 5 years for killing his son that debatabley a better deal than CSA OMFG the system stinks
[..YouTube..] there was this talk about the child support reform witch is meaningles all they did was changed there name think your goner have to accsept if you live in the uk and have a child your fucked not much difent to the jews in nazi germaney so you realy have 2 options the jews fled germaney or acsepted there fate might i sugest head for the irish border or you will have to bow down and say
hile hillin unsterblicher Leader der Kind stützen agentur
[..YouTube..] well said, i know it sounds harsh, and the csa methods are terrible, but what it all boils down too, especially when the mother is getting all kinds of benifits already amounting to around 1000 quid income each month and THEN pushed out fathers wages. yes, your comments make me grin.
[..YouTube..] women(bitches)having babys for child support payments. laws should be made.
congress needs to wake up!!!
let’s be like china, 2 siblings per family.
too much freedom is bad. we’ll lose our freedom if these keeop happening. alot of these women(bitches)depend too much on welfare!!!
[..YouTube..] I pray God will strike these worthless,corrupt , abominable agenies down and they never get any sleep, or a sunny day, only the misery they’ve inffictled on good people.
Hello Carboniferous, i wanted to know how you are coping with what little money you have left over. Living expenses are at an all time high, how are you dealing with this? What have you given up in order to provide your child with what the csa deem is appropriate?
[..YouTube..] CSA basis it’s calculations on fathers income which is unrealistic.
It should be ACTUAL COSTS.
[..YouTube..] im next
[..YouTube..] @10thousandgames
I agree that women are bitches, my ex has three children, the first one is mine and the other 2 are by 2 other dudes. The other 2 don’t pay thru the CSA, so when she went on welfare while pregnant, I’m getting stuck with having to pay back the state for her welfare, even though I’m not the reason she went on welfare in the first place.
I don’t agree that too much freedom is bad, freedom is what this country founded on.
[..YouTube..] The system does stink but I am fighting back, my ex and her boyfriend have two cars, they spend money like it’s water and only she works, they get all the benefits!
Myself and my new partner both work part time, (only job we could find in our area, Care work) we cannot afford to pay mounting bills, we cannot afford a car, we cannot afford carpets or to decorate and my new partner has 3 kids, fight back!
[..YouTube..] Here is how to stop alot of these woman!A law where a man can go to the abortion clinic and have them notify that childs mom before its born.Letting her know he aborted it if its not a great idea for him to be involved and will pay for it.If she dont show then its all hers! One nite stands/traps/unfit moms ect, This can come into play!
[..YouTube..] Our organization in Canada is WOLVES, my good men.
Please contact us before you do anything like this.
Thank you,
Lee Ann
[..YouTube..] @kyowakokunobenkai now that’s just mean…. most of the time I side with the men but…. OUCH! that hurt!
[..YouTube..] What isnt mentioned is that all these men were in debt up to their eyeballs or that they had other problems, it isnt just one thing that makes a person take their own life
[..YouTube..] Amen.
[..YouTube..] The video seems to have been deleted. That’s strange.