March 20, 2015
My case is unique in that I have had the “official error” accepted yet recompense has been a poultry £200.
My case commenced in Aug 2009 and it still hasn’t been resolved. The CSA contacted me to say PWC had requested maintenance. I had just given my ex £105,000 two years before as a full and final settlement although the agreement did not preclude maintenance which as evidenced at the time of the apporach I was providing to the sum of £524 for a school trip
Unbeknown to me the CSA approached my accountants and acquired financial information. On the back of this I received a liability order calculation with a £113 adjustment.
Not until I took my complaint to ICE that the CSA advised that the adjustment was in respect of a dividend.
I said the monies I took out of the business for the settlement was deferred as a Director’s loan in 2008 but was declared as a Dividend in July 2009.
I made the point that how could I be assessessed on the very money I had passed over to the PWC to have this included as part of the assessment – it represented a double whammy.
I also provided financial statement showing that I was insolvent to the value of over £100,000
I raised a complaint with ICE who took a year to investigate. They concluded that the assessment was correctly caluclated, that the CSA did have the right to disregard my Final Settlement agreement, that the £524 payment as a school trip did not constitute a payment in lieu of mainntenance because the PWC had stated this was not the case and the liability end date was on-going despite providing evidence that my son had been working for a year. They also said they had no evidence that I had no income despite the financial bank statements that clearly confirmed this
The CSA then took me to Magistrates Court. First two hearing were adjourned and I was instructed to appoint a solicitor for the third otherwise the magistrate would apply the liability order without further delay. I clearly ould not afford a solicitor but I could not afford to lose the case.
Third hearing the CSA adjourned the hearing as they investigated the liability end date. It is confirmed that PWC had been fraudulently claining child benefit for over a year which fpr some random reason is what determines the liability end date. The PWC advises child benefit should have stopped in December 2010 as per a court paper submission, the child benefit office determines it as February 2011. My liability order reduces from £12,000 to £9,000
I also sought legal advice that aconfirmed that for the dividend to be included in the variation, permission (verbal or written)was required from the PWC.
At the start of the case I had requested disclosure of all information and I knew no request had been received or given from the PWC. I write to the Director General (Shanahan) as does my MP as does my solcititor to advise the variation is contrary to the ACT.
The CSA write to my solicitor stating that the Agency does have the right to raise their own variation without any consent from the PWC. The same enformcement officer (Tully) later states before the 4th court hearing that she acknowledges permission had to be given, but the CSA would not disclose this information because of data protection
Tully acknowledges that she is now aware of their official error in her letter ahead of the 4th hearing. But at the 4th hearing the CSA Barrister pulls me into an anti room and tells me the CSA is draconian. If I did not accept the liability order he would ensure I endured the full weight of the Acts substantial powers.
The Barrister misleads the magistrates
by stating that the variation was in accordance with the ACT and this was independantly endorsed by ICE. The payment in lieu of maintenance is also rejected as is the liability end date
Within 6 weeks of the laibility end date being granted I have received over 16 letters including a DOE and two court letters threatening recovery action. Working in the financial services this now threatens my employment.
My solicitor lodges a tribunal appeal. On the lead up to the Tribunal the CSA state they could not replicate the calculation and that they had neither written or vebal instruction to raise a variation. However, the burdon of proof to prove that such a conversation never took place was down to me. Utterly crazy
The Tribunal found in my favour in under 90 seconds and was damning about the CSA. At this stage, setting aside the immense stress this has caused me my legal fees were at £17,000 which when you take into consideration the original value of the wrongly applied variation calculation plus the determination the CSA applied to fight the case, is not to my mind excessive.
Under the SPG I asked to be returned to the financial position I would have been in had it not beeen for the official error. The CSA offered £200
I raised a complaint with the ICE who refused to look at this new issue which was maladministration. I submitted the financials that proved I had no income and was insolvement, I repeatedly requested evidence relating to the instruction from the PWC in respect of the £524 not being in lieu of maintenance when I had an e-mail from the PWC which I repeatedly shared showing it had been requested
As ICE didn’t engage my MP supported my Ombudsman complaint. The Ombudsman stated they would only look at the process and not the actual complaint and their initial findings were ludicrous. More expense, more stress, the Ombudsman has relooked at the complaint and concluded that even had the ICE investigated my second complaint, which was an official error, they would not have upheld it.
I am now preparing for a judicial review. I am having counselling for High Anxiety and depression and I am finding this a tough gig.
I want to share this story. I want press coverage, and I genuinely believe that my case is so appauling (and if I shared the detail you would see this)that a public enquiry is desperately needed
However, what is also important to communicate is that many NRP will be subject to an adjustment. This requires a variation and I beleive there are thousands of NRP who have had a variation applied that is contrary to the ACT. Under the FOI I have requested the CSA for disclosure. Today is their last day to respond…..and Quel surprise I have had nothing back
Happy to meet anywhere as I genuinely want my story to be told
Please contact me. I want this story in every paper as what has been allowed to happen to me should never be allowed to happen to anyone
October 10, 2014
I’m after peoples support in relation to the CSA for help for change and accountability of CSA employees and their disregard to the Civil Service Code.
Please go to the following website, www dot yourbritain dot org dot uk once there, look for the heading Justice for ordinary Working People under submissions made and my title of, The abuse of Legislation and Policy Procedures by Civil Servants.
If you agree with what I’ve said on this particular website then please make a comment or vote for it. If enough interest is shown then politicians might, just might, sit up and take notice.
As the CSA divides and conquers we are disunited, somehow we have to be heard as one voice!
May 10, 2013
I am currently involuntarily involved with the csa who i believe are impcting on my ability to work. I want to start an organisation opossing them and would like some advice. I believe the only way NRPs will have their rights restored is by unity and single handedly facing the beast. I would like to state that this is not going to be for those that wish not to support their children and the fight i discuss is legal and non-violent. I want organisations and individuals to band together. I can no longer afford to work and have decided that being part of the agencies downfall is a worthwhile lifetime achievement. I have an idea for a union but am unsure how to start the ball rolling and am asking for ideas and support from csa hell. I have an understanding of what you do and do not want to tread on toes but am only a single person who can see the validity of a collective approach (this is probably due to a history as a union rep) and would appreciate guidance on whether there is a way forward.
January 8, 2010
THIS PROTEST IS POSPOND UNTIL WEATHER CONDITIONS IMPROVE
I thought it would be my duty to keep you up to speed with the protest which was due to take place on the 10th of January 2010.
Due to the Adverse weather conditions in the south of the country at the moment and due to reported snow again possibly for this Sunday the 10th of January, I have their for pospond this protest until weather conditions improve.
This protest has only been POSPOND and not CANCELLED I will inform you in due cause and as soon as possible of a date for this protest march to take place and hope I have your complete understanding.
At the moment its looking more likely the end of February 2010.
You can e-mail myself if you require any more details.
THIS PROTEST IS POSPOND UNTIL WEATHER CONDITIONS IMPROVE
DETAILS OF PROTEST POSPOND
Unfair collection of payments and amounts collected by the Child Support Agency (C.S.A)
Organiser Of Event:Mr I.Longman
E-mail The Organiser: [email protected]
Telephone Number: 07913-737-835
Time of Protest: 10am to 3pm
Where To Meet :Houses Of Parliament main entrance Westminster the protest march will continue on to No 10 Downing St where the protest will be held until 3pm
June 7, 2009
Today I have had to listen, once again to my brothers breaking heart. 4 years ago, (Feb 2004) his wife walked out & my brother got custody of their 3 boys due to her abusing the children.
He took over the house & because she had run up so many bills he had to pay these off before coming upto date with “todays” bills. 4 years later he is still in thousands of pounds of debt. He had to give up his job to become a full time father, being a baker it is night work only. He did not quibble about this he is an amazing father & the one person in the world I truely look upto.
Now acording to the CSA the timescale in getting any money out of her was 6 weeks – He got his first payment in Feb 2008 -this year! Not bad going huh for a 6week job?? She has contact with the children through a court order which she proposed, my brother would never refuse his children the time with there mother. Right so now she owes hundreds – thousands in areas – this is being paid off monthly on top of her normal monthly payments. Last month she decided not to pay the money, what did csa do? Nothing, just told her it would go onto her arrears. My brother & his children go without for a month, nothing he can do. Now this months payment hasn’t arrived in his account, he spoke with the csa, yes she HAS paid it this month but they have sent it to the wrong department instead of sending it to him. They will make this a PRIORITY CASE to get this resumed – This process will ONLY take 6 weeks!!!! So now he has not had any csa money for 2 months – soon to be Three.
I got a phonecall from him at 11am this morning telling me what csa had said, he pleaded for them to send him a giro – “£30 is enough” he said -“sorry sir, we have to wait for the payment to be located before we can do this. This in it-self can take upto 3weeks. Shall I go ahead & do this for you sir?” Now my brother is the most strongest minded, loving hearted, motivated, person I have ever come across. At every point in my life, every turn & decission I make I go to him, because he is the sensible one & knows exactly what to do. He phones me this morning in floods of tears, I can hear him gasping for breathe because he is so upset/cross. He is shouting at me that no-one understands – That the people in the csa don’t give a monkeys, they get paid at the end of every month & that is all they care about. THEY DO NOT REALISE THEY ARE PLAYING WITH PEOPLES LIVES. Now this morning he sent all 3 of his children into school with NO lunch, No money for school dinners & only a drink of water each – His csa money was due in his bank today so he would drop lunch’s into them when he had gone & done some shopping. BUT THE MONEY DIDN’T COME – & IT’S NOT GOING TO ANYTIME SOON. Can you imagine how I felt listening to him breaking down? Can you imagine anyone having to send their children to school with no food or money for food? I live over a hundred miles away- what can I do to make it better???? I have some money put by for my holiday next year, I will run down to the bank & put cash in his account – Oh but his account is overdrawn from charges, because of payment failure from last month’s lack of csa money.
So to get any money to my brother I have to put in over £100 before he will get any. £250 I put in at 11-30am, to make sure his rent was paid this month – Electric put on (It run out at 7am this morning) & some money for the gas (£1.12 left on emergency) & also money for food to feed the children & himself. He stood outside the shop waiting for my text message so he could run in the shop grab something for the boys to eat & then cycle 3 miles back to take it into school. Now usually I couldn’t help out this much money a month, I have a haulage company which is now costing so much in fuel each month we only ever seem to break even because of the downturn in building work & also soaring fuel prices.
Will somebody tell me who is to blame for this????????? Can somebodytell me how to mend a broken heart of a father that struggles everyday & never complains????? Can somebody please tell me why parents are put into this position of such heartbreak???? & can somebody please Please tell me this does not happen in other poeple’s lives?????? This is a day I will never forget, I have sat here crying the whole time I have been writting this. Putting myself in my brothers shoes & feeling his pain of NOT EVEN BEING ABLE TO FEED HIS OWN BLOODY CHILDREN. THIS COUNTRY STINKS SOMETIMES. I AM HORRIFIED & FEEL DEEPLY SORRY FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE SAME. IF I WERE TO WIN THE LOTTERY I WOULD PROMISE TO HELP AS MANY PEOPLE AS I COULD & NOT WASTE A PENNY ON ANY UNNESSASERY LUXURIES.
June 24, 2008
Our site is now 11 weeks old, we have in that time been busy helping, NRP’s, P’sWC and NRPP’s, with the CSA.
As a group, we have decided the time is right to begin our first stage of action.
With the kind help of the friends and members of ‘afairercsaforall’, we have prepared a letter for anybody wishing to take part in the *Red Letter Campaign* on 02 July 2008.
Hopefully, all those parents who have issues with the CSA will unite for a common cause and join us.
We would like to say a big thankyou to eveybody for their involvement with the site.
Chloe and I, would appreciate feed back and ideas from ALL parents, feel free to pm either of us on http://afairercsaforall.myfanforum.org/index.php.
Please remember that unless you use your voice it cannot be heard. Be involved and lets go forward together.
June 17, 2008
Im having a meeting at the Air Balloon South Shore Blackpool on the 18th June 2008 if anybody wants to come along and discuss their problems about the CSA.
There is also another meeting on the 24th June at Piccadilly at the Waldorf at 7.30.
Others planned are for Coventry Leeds and Durham so please email me at the deadbeatdadsassociation.co.uk to let me know who is wanting to attend
Mobey from the Dead Beat Dads
June 17, 2008
Meeting tomorrow 18th June at 6.30 South shore Blackpool and 24th June Manchester Piccadilly Waldorf pub 7.30