CSA Self Employed
Being self employed doesn’t mean that non resident parents can avoid paying the CSA, but many NRPs do see self employment as a way of escaping the Child Support Agency.
Because the CSA tends to use the DEO (deduction from earnings order) as its favoured method of collecting payments, many people choose to quit their jobs as a way of escaping it. The CSA prefers to use the DEO because it is quick and easy, and it means they do not have to converse with the non resident parent or come to any agreement about how and when payment will be collected. The CSA will issue your employer with a DEO, and your employer has to comply with it or they will be threatened with the bailiffs. Few employers will challenge this.
As a result, and because a DEO can be for as much as 40% of your wage, many people choose to quit their jobs and either become unemployed, or go self employed. The CSA does not like to chase after non resident parents who are self employed because it is more hassle, requires more legwork, and through creative accounting the self employed are able to disguise earnings, thus reducing the amount they owe to the CSA for the maintenance of their children.
The CSA will use the most recent tax return of the self employed person to work out how much money they earn, and how much money they need to pay. Because a non resident parent has to pay 15% of their earnings, after tax, for one child, it is in the NRP’s interest to declare as little as possible in their tax return. This way they pay less tax, and less child support.
Becoming self employed is very easy, and it can even be done while keeping your current job if your employer will allow it. Some non resident parents choose (with their employer’s permission) to become ‘contracted’, which means they are not salaried, they do not have any of the perks or security of a full time employee, and they pay their own tax.
There are many tales on our website from non resident parents who have gone down the self employment route for one reason or another, and you can read their advice on how they have managed it, and what the outcome was, right here.
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Why don’t all these women think about the consequences of having children beforehand??? !!! They seem to act like they’re the only victims. The new wives\girlfriends of their former partners end up with complete stress through no fault of their own.
I have had previous partners but never had a child with them until i knew was the right time instead of jumping in and then crying later!!
Sick of the men getting the blame, women are in full control of their bodies, ever heard of contraception??
We have paid maintenence but some of these moneygrabbers want more and more so in the end the fathers end up leaving employment and moving away and sometimes they end upm splitting with present partners and those children suffer, what a ridiculous system!!
To Michelle
I am one of “these women” who had children with my ex HUSBAND so i did think it was the right time and right person. However things broke and i ended our marriage but we made workable agreements for access and child support and everything worked great until he got a new girlfriend and then wife who didn’t want his children around and didn’t want to him to pay anything for their wellbeing and so forced me to go to the CSA.
HOW ABOUT THE NEW GIRLFRIENDS/WIVES DECIDE IF A MAN WHO ALREADY HAS CHILDREN AND SO A COMMITMENT TO PAY FOR THESE CHILDREN BEFORE GETTING INVOLVED. HOW ABOUT THEY SWITCH THEIR BRAINS ON AND KEEP THEIR NOSE OUT OF THINGS THAT ARE NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM. THEIR WAGES ARE NOT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT FOR CHILD SUPPORT ONLY THE FATHER’S WAGES GET IT FATHER (IT TAKES 2 TO MAKE A CHILD MEN ARE EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTRACEPTION) OF THE CHILDREN PAY FOR THEIR CHILDREN FROM THEIR EARNINGS AND ANY STRESS FELT BY YOU AND THE OTHER IDIOTS THAT TAKE ON A MAN WITH KIDS THEN BLEET AND CRY ABOUT IT LATER IS NOTHING COMPARED TO THE STRESS FELT BY THE PARENTS WITH CARE STRUGGLING TO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT THEIR CHILDREN. My new husband has not once complained about using HIS earnings to support my ex husbands children so why is it so many new wives and girlfriends yap on about money that does not come directly from them. Ridiculous system is right though and hopefully it’ll change soon and NRP will be properly assessed and pay the correct amount of money for the CHILDREN THEY EQUALLY CREATED.
Men don’t get a legal right to the reproductive freedom that abortion gives women. So we cannot be held equally accountable for children. Nor do men get 10 forms of contraception like women do.
Tax, CSA is all theft backed up by the threat of violence. It is morally wrong in principle.
I had to leave my job because the CSA wanted too much money than I could afford,I was left in debt by a previous partner,and whilst working,had to pay basically double,rent on top of rent arrears,council tax on top of council tax arrears etc. Now,I am running my own flat,albeit trying..on £51 a week! I want to smash to fuck out of my ex for this! Her time is coming,I swear. Might se me on the news soon. Fuck the CSA!!!! Might take a few of them cunts with me. Peace
It would be useful to comprise a traitors list of CSA employees and politicians who support this evil organisation.
They should be identifed in the same way that Nazis and facists are, even years after the event.
CSA staff are cowards, They would not dare steal a man’s pocessions without the collaboration of the police and courts. However if theyhad to look over their shoulders averey time they went out or turned the ignition key in their car they might think twice.
Every man should be prepared to pay for his kids, however he should also have equal rights of access and a say in their future, unless he is a violent bully or dickhead. However when faced with violence and theft by the CSA then the rules change. He should have the right to fight fire with fire. Evil is only overcome when it faces a greater level of violence. HItler and Japan were not defeated by Hippys. The CSA will be defeated when people are too scared too work there and they suffer the pain that they currently inflict.
Its AN ABSOLUTE JOKE how the CSA can force someone to pay money for a child – their should be sme exclusions – what about when the mother stops the father from seeing the child or the child wants nothing more to do with her father and his new family?? why the hell should he pay then. I agree with john – its complete theift.
and kirsty you talk aload of bollocks aswell – keep your nose out of matters that dont concern you to the new partners – of course it bloody concerns us, everything that happens in a relationship concerns the other espeically financial affairs.
Also when working out csa payments they take 15% per child, but if you have children living with you they disregard 10% per child why the hell should you pay more of a percentage for the child thats not living with you???
This is a shit system, they dont take anything into account , what if you cant afford to pay your own living costs, debts etc then they force you to make payments for a child you dont even see – fucking joke.
Can any one tell me why if i never had i say in the pregnancy i should be made to pay for it ?
I do believe if you have a child then yes both parties should look after the child but how does up to 40% of my earnings justify this how did this women survive before they contacted me?
Why cant women think about the possibility they may be left holding the buck and take this into account before giving birth whats so wrong with having the thought of in the worst case that things don’t work out will i be able to manage and raise my child regardless if the father is around god forbid he pass away then what ????
lets get this straight, i live with my partner and 2 kids the second being mine. her 9 year old son from her ex, who is self employed and earns up to £20,000 but puts £11,000 on his tax return. we know this as my partner has seen previous tax returns when with the ex. he is living as a single person now with his mum. he has his son every other weekend and pays my partner £30 a week NOT THROUGH CSA. my partner works 16 hours a week at minimum wage and i work full time. do you lot reckon he should only pay £30 a week? what a joke!!!!!!!! dinner monies alone are £12. I dont begrudge paying for my partners son but he needs to contribute more. SELF EMPLOYMENT IS THEFT NOT THE CSA.
CONDOMS……..Men stop moaning and use them then you will not get stuck paying for your 3 seconds of pleasure,
And please the new partners stop moaning that your boyfriend/husband has to pay for there children, You took them on knowing this and if you have children with them and split up you will also be wanting the CSA to help you, You should hang your head in shame!!!!!!!
£12 dinner money??? Surely it is cheaper to buy a loaf of bread and some ham!!! I agree that fathers should pay for their children but they are also entitled to a life after the breakdown of relationships where children are involved. I also feel that the father shouldn’t be made to pay more to the ex just because they are doing well for themselves, the children wouldn’t reap the rewards because the family unit is no more. The CSS should also take into account if the mothers make it impossible for fathers to keep in regular contact, they are happy enough to have the money but not so happy to keep the regular contact up,
I have paid voluntary money to my ex-wife since we broke up and my Daughter was 2. I struggled to manage voluntary payments (most of that time), but it was’nt good enough, and now she is threatnijng CSA? it’s not fait to us blokes, that we can be treated like crap by women and CSA only take the women’s side all the time?? I tell you, it ain’t bloody fair for blokes, when it comes to breaking up and trying your best to be a dad, and you have it thrown back in your face by the ex??
I had 2 children with my ex and we both decided this is what we wanted. At the time i didnt realise he was going to get hooked on drugs start dealing and end up in prison for 4 months. i certainly didnt realise the drugs would become more important than his children. 6 years after our split he has paid a total of £200 £175 of this was paid last month for a school trip i told my daughter i couldnt afford. i now listen to her happily tell everyone her daddy paid for this. In my head i think who really paid the price. I have tried to come to an arrangement for him to pay regular money but he refuses saying the kids will always be okay because he knows i will look after them. He then goes to spend his money on ‘fun stuff’. What do the CSA do…nothing because he declaires no earnings as he is self employed. Even though he has a car a house with no mortgage and 2 holidays a year (not including the holiday camp called HMP) Why dont i chase this..because he just becomes violent and stops seeing the kids. He shouts outside my house and paddies like a child. This then upsets the two most important things in my life. 6 years on and im left with an ex who sees my children as and when he wishes and jokes about charging me for the KFC he bought them. Motherhood is the hardest job in the world.
i owe the csa 23 i served in the army for 11 years when i left i found myself owing the 23 grand . i was earning 300 pounds a week hgv driving they took 100 quid a week and wanted another 60 quid for arrears in the end i couldnt afford to pay my bills or rent and felt trapped . so i just went to the doctors with depression and went sick eventually i got the sack in the meantime the csa still continued to take 100 quid from my sick money leaving me with 50 quid to live on . after 6 months they finally sorted it out but wouldnt pay me back any money instead put it towards the arrears i owed . i have been on the sick for 2 years now and i have a roof over my head and food inside me i can afford my bills and i am less stressed . i cant see any point in ever returning to full time work . the way i see it is 20 pecent of nothing is nothing they can get the money from my cold dead corpse .fuck the csa they treated me like shit talked to me like some kind of criminal i will do everything in my power to fuck the system over . i never started out this way but the goverment play there games and i will play mine . fuck them all robbhing bastards
whatever tithead
The whole thing is a big balls-up. The Government makes these choices. Everyone is nit-picking at everyone else………….for what???? I blame the Government for making everyone hate everyone else. The Government is the root of all evil. Think about it.
I understand both sides…. Men should pay for there children, but women should understand there are otherthings to pay for after a split. Not being steriotytpical (my heart goes out to the working single mums) but most women dont, like my ex!!! I am happy to pay for my child, I want him to be taken care of and looked after properly. I give what i can afford and sometimes my current wife helps out too. we struggle by and give what we can.. BUT what gets me is why do ex’s want MORE. always MORE. Apparently it is my fault we split so i should pay for leaving, breaking her heart, upsetting the family. Nothing to do with her going mad, locked up for 3months and being physically abusive then!!!!!!!! C.S.A. have nearly killed me, I wasn’t allowed to see my children if i didnt bend over backwards to her every whim, C.S.A. was taking £70 a week off me. I couldnt afford to live and i was loosing everything including my 2 baby girls who are at home, my new marrage was on the rocks because of it al as i had taken to drink. ???? why Becasuse i was depressed… some women get depressed every other day. I bought my first house at 18, should be laughing now but after selling house with £50,000 equaty After paying her i was left with £1200 solicitor bill. Why does she still want blood why does csa take it. now lets get to the point. C.S.A go take a long jump off a short cliff…… Men Pay as much as you can afford its your child as well nobody has rights to a child, its the Childs right to have both parents. That goes for mothers too…… Women stop moaning be happy that your ex pays you anything and if he doesnt pay anything take him to court, yes its a pain in the arse but arnt your kids worth it?????? theres more men outthere who want to pay for there kids, than who dont. stop making the good men/fathers pay for the minority. you had a child with the idiot, you sort him out.
My husband left when our children were three years old six months old, because he decided that he wasn’t cut out to be family man, and ran off with another woman. He is self employed, and earns between 50 and 60 Thousand pounds a year. He pays me £50 pounds a week, when he feels like it, and I have struggled and struggled to get the money from him.
I can understand the frustration from some fathers who don’t see their children, and possibly didn’t ever make the decision to have a child in the first place. But surely a man who is earning a lot of money, and chooses to have children, but then decides that it’s just ‘not for him’, shouldn’t be able to just opt out. I agree that the CSA doesn’t really work, but there has to be some way of forcing people like my ex to pay towards the cost of raising his children, who I have never forbidden him from seeing, even when he’s left me struggling to pull enough money together to buy a loaf of bread and a pint of milk.
I find all this a crock of shit with the CSA !! my partner has 3 kids his ex never worked and its 39 now she lost everything my partner ever worked for lost the house all savings ..run bills up to the 1000′s now she wants money for the kids so we went though CSA hes self employed so we do get off lightly …but what I am so pissed off with hearing is my ex he’s now no 60 k a year and only pays £50 etc …I think 10 pounds a week is enough for school cloths and shoes for one kid …your ex doesnt own you the mother a living just to make sure the kids kid has shoes and clean cloths …i brought my kid up on my own never asked for a penny and i never got a penny ….he was on good money but hayho I do it on my own thank you !!!!!mothers out there its called looking after ones self!!!! ….UR EX OWES YOU NOTHING, get off your fat asses if your not getting enough money in from the state goverment then get a fucking job !! all fathers need a life after the ex’s they have bills to pay just like everyone else …why the hell should they have to pay more if they earn more its bloody wrong …i never expected it im a proud women and will do it on my own …..my son never went without a thing !! you ex wifes give some of us good ones a bad name ….im totally up and fighting for the fathers and if everyone got together on facebook or twitter and everyone stopped paying csa on a set day there be nothing at all the goverment could do about it …and they would be forced to close the fucked up csa for good …..i am so sure that the person to of set up this crock of shit would of been a women ….hay and another thing if we was to set up a anti csa group and there was enough people to join then we could easily close it down for good …in fact i set a group up tonight on facebook the group will be called close csa down for good !!!! look it up tomorrow and i think if we could get 100000 people to join then we could get heard !!!